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LTS_3 Posted on 09/11/2018 08:58
Was the amount of illness THAT bad before Blackburn?
 
 
Leading on from the Sliding Doors thread, the 3pts situation was mentioned a lot

I randomly saw Premier League Legends - Juninho last weekend on Sky when I was flicking through the channels (good programme, great memories)

Anyway, when it came to discussing the 3pts and the Blackburn match, Juninho said something like "I didnt know the situation was too bad, I was training and we had some injuries and some of the players were sick, but I thought we were just going to play the game ... we should have played that game"

Obviously the internet was in its infancy at that time, so information (and faxes) was hard to come by, but does anyone know how many actual players were ill with this bug and who was already injured?

Either way, it simply would have been better if we played the tea-ladies (or whatever Robbo said) and got smashed 40-0
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McMordie Posted on 09/11/2018 09:03

Was the amount of illness THAT bad before Blackburn?

 

"Either way, it simply would have been better if we played the tea-ladies (or whatever Robbo said) and got smashed 40-0"

As someone pointed out on the sliding doors thread, it's difficult to know that really. Losing 0-40 at Blackburn wouldn't have done a lot for our confidence and the sense of injustice might actually have had some benefit.
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Jan_Aage_Fjortoft Posted on 09/11/2018 09:04
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Was the amount of illness THAT bad before Blackburn?

 
This article says Keith Lamb said we had 23 players either sick, injured or suspended. Tried to find an actual quote from him that he gave in relation to the case but it's the first thing I've found.



Link: Link...
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chiz62 Posted on 09/11/2018 10:30

Was the amount of illness THAT bad before Blackburn?

 
From a very good source, I'm led to believe we had 17 fit players , but that included 6 youth team players and Robbo and Viv who were still registered as players.
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redwurzel Posted on 09/11/2018 12:10

Was the amount of illness THAT bad before Blackburn?

 
We could have put a team out much under strength with Robbo and Viv and we should have done.

I remember we played Pompey in 2013 and they only had 14 players.
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ConwayTwitty Posted on 09/11/2018 12:13

Was the amount of illness THAT bad before Blackburn?

 
I happened to be on a works pub Christmas pub crawl on a late afternoon on the Wednesday before this infamous cancelled game. We started in the Dickens and... low and behold... the Boro squad were in there on their Christmas do... including the big names... all in fancy dress costume (I remember Juninho looking quite ridiculous dressed as Aladin and Emmerson chain smoking whilst constantly on his phone)
The party, however, didn't include the management team or Ravanelli. They were all in good spirits and getting very merry ... we even bumped into them again a bit later on at Spensleys. So I can categorically say (and I got their signatures on a Dickens leaflet as proof) that the excuses given to not play that game were very much exaggerated...... unless this mystery bug descended shortly after their XXXXXX up !
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two_banks_of_four Posted on 09/11/2018 12:30

Was the amount of illness THAT bad before Blackburn?

 
There's an open letter from Gibbo setting out the whole sorry saga somewhere. As I remember it was a much to do with the FA not knowing what their own rules were. The FA should have said hard luck you have to play, whereas the advice was more equivocal. think the top two were off playing golf or something. The media outrage after the event, kind of sealed our fate.

Pretty amateur all round really.
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riversideparmo Posted on 09/11/2018 16:19

Was the amount of illness THAT bad before Blackburn?

 
Boro were told ( by the 3rd in charge/ other 2 were on holiday/ playing golf) it would be ok to cancel if we could produce doctors notes . We did and they backtracked ..
If we had been a London club would it have been deducted 3 points ? hmmm[rle]
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newyddion Posted on 09/11/2018 16:28

Was the amount of illness THAT bad before Blackburn?

 
From a very good source, I'm led to believe we had 17 fit players , but that included 6 youth team players and Robbo and Viv who were still registered as players..

I remember that 3 of our goalkeepers were fit.. I remembering scribbling the formation down at school [^]
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EpiphanyProudfoot Posted on 09/11/2018 16:29

Was the amount of illness THAT bad before Blackburn?

 
Players had a bad case of flatulence.

Caught from a female supporter and spread through the squad like wildfire apparently.

Tummy cramps and ear splitting trouser coughs.

The League should have been more sympathetic!
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ConwayTwitty Posted on 09/11/2018 20:25

Was the amount of illness THAT bad before Blackburn?

 
In hindsight..... we didn't really fancy that game....we were on a poor run, had played way a lot of games (because of our cup success) and had a small squad (by todays standards). The match was a crucial one and I think we had a couple of key player injury doubts. If we could have got that game cancelled without the consequences... it would have been a master stroke.

I remember at the time they cancelled it having a chuckle to meself.... as I had witnessed nearly the full squad partying in the Boro just 2 days earlier !

I am sure the FA weren't blameless.... but I could never imagine it could be such a simple task of faxing a sicknote to their headquarters to cancel such a crucial game at such short notice. If the FA hadn't made an example out of us then it would have led to other clubs following the same route whenever they were in a pickle !
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EpiphanyProudfoot Posted on 10/11/2018 05:26

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'I am sure the FA weren't blameless'

The FA did nothing wrong. Even QC Carmen couldn't prove anything.

Irony is we could have turned up and got hammered 10-0 and won.

Shambolic decision at the time by the Boro.

hastagthatswhatsquadsarefor
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Borobarmy Posted on 10/11/2018 08:55

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Agree EP . Mega mistake and it turned a lot of the footballing world against us .
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El-Guapo Posted on 10/11/2018 09:35

Was the amount of illness THAT bad before Blackburn?

 
Knowing how that crazy season went, wed probably have been deducted 3 points for fielding a weakened team had we done that. 😂
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Jonny_Rondos_Disco_pants Posted on 10/11/2018 09:53

Was the amount of illness THAT bad before Blackburn?

 
The FA were not allowed to ne cross examined at the hearing if I remember correctly.
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Heine Posted on 10/11/2018 09:58

Was the amount of illness THAT bad before Blackburn?

 
I do recall jotting the names available at one point and writing out a makeshift team it included Fjortoft at CB next to Viv Anderson but with hindsight....
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two_banks_of_four Posted on 10/11/2018 10:06
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Was the amount of illness THAT bad before Blackburn?

 
the Premier League were culpable.
There had been a precedent set previously (a team not fulfilling their fixture) and no one at the FA appeared to know about it until after the cancellation. Hence why we were given incorrect advice.

The reason G. Carmen QC couldn't prove anything was that the 'appeals' process was rigged, to save the FA blushes. Gibbo was left with the only option to go the courts and I suspect he was warned off that route.

Gibbo puts it better himself (or whoever wrote it for him).

Link: gibbo's letter on the 3 point nonsense
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coluka Posted on 10/11/2018 10:16

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Great letter, spelling not his strongpoint though
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EpiphanyProudfoot Posted on 10/11/2018 10:24

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'The FA were not allowed to ne cross examined at the hearing if I remember correctly'

The hearing was neither under criminal nor civil jurisdiction so they don't have to be cross examined.

I met with a West Ham fan on holiday. He was very opinionated about this.

'You guys spent all that money and couldn't put 11 players out on a Saturday was the reason everyone was so hostile to your plight and wanted you to get done mate. The Hammers would have turned up with a youth team. No offence but you spent big with Ravanelli and those Brazilian players you had but you kept on making fools of yourselves'





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two_banks_of_four Posted on 10/11/2018 10:58

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I suggest you read the letter linked above and it may give you a bit more spine next time a happy hammers fan starts spouting.

The process was a quasi-judicial one, hence why all parties were legally represented.
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dragged_up_in_whinneybanks Posted on 10/11/2018 11:13

Was the amount of illness THAT bad before Blackburn?

 
It was Sir Larry-itis
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Funky_Chicken Posted on 10/11/2018 11:14

Was the amount of illness THAT bad before Blackburn?

 
We were stitched up basically - led to believe that it would be ok to cancel but then they back tracked. Lamb was naive though not to make absolutely sure with the very top brass that we could cancel




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DoomOnHorseback Posted on 10/11/2018 12:34

Was the amount of illness THAT bad before Blackburn?

 
Who were the players rumoured to be lined up to sign if we had stayed in the Premier league?


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WoodallServices Posted on 10/11/2018 12:43

Was the amount of illness THAT bad before Blackburn?

 
Boro amateurish, never!!
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BigmetsBoro86 Posted on 10/11/2018 13:03
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Was the amount of illness THAT bad before Blackburn?

 
Let's be honest we should have put out what side we had... Yes it's hindsight but I doubt no what side we put out we would have only been beaten by 4 or 5 (City scored 6 against a full strength Southampton).

It would be unheard of for a prem side or even any side not to turn up for a fixture these days.

Even at the time I thought it was baffling as to why we chinned it off? I doubt we expected the punishment we got and had we known we would have turned up with the "tea ladies".
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EpiphanyProudfoot Posted on 10/11/2018 14:06

Was the amount of illness THAT bad before Blackburn?

 
Another opinion (surprisingly enough) was from another fan.

You might be surprised at this folks!

'I see where the league are coming from but they had to make an example of someone, otherwise the big clubs might start making excuses for injuries etc, if that had been Man U Liverpool or Spurs they would have made allowances (they allowed Spurs back in the FA Cup and they won it!)I reckon we would have gotten away with it to. I thought it was disgraceful the way Boro were treated' This opinion came from a Newcastle fan.
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skiprat Posted on 10/11/2018 19:42

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"Who were the players rumoured to be lined up to sign if we had stayed in the Premier league?"

Roberto Carlos and Christian Vieri.
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