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Witcher Posted on 08/11/2018 21:31
Edited On: 08/11/2018 21:31Tony Mowbrays Win Ratio....................
 
 
Was higher than Steve Mclarens

And yet Mclaren gets none stop love from Boro fans with a team of 50k a week 30 year old internationals and Mowbray had to deal with the financial crumbs left by gordon strachan

Just thought i'd put it out there that i believed in Mowbray, and i'm XXXXXXed off his once chance at our club co-coincided with a garbage transfer and wage
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Tuncaythefunguy Posted on 08/11/2018 21:34

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Fair enough but McClaren had a wonderful record v the likes of Man Utd, Chelsea. Playing prem footy will bring ya stats down.
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Witcher Posted on 08/11/2018 21:51
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but the win ratios were similar in respective, Mclaren with percievably better results per opposition but relative to playing squad squad budget

That squad that he had, Viduka, JFH, Yakubu, Juninho, menieta,zenden, boateng, southgate, Ehiogu etc?

That was comfortably the most expensive squad (outwith RPI) that we after ever had, by a long, long way

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Tuncaythefunguy Posted on 08/11/2018 22:14

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Fair point once again but I do give McClaren slack as I think we played about 60 odd games a season amd had to reshuffle the pack from game to game.
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festa5 Posted on 08/11/2018 22:23

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Does Smac get non-stop love from boro fans? I think he rightly gets recognition for our trophy, UEFA cup run and highest prem finish.

But he gets plenty of criticism too. Style of play, leaving an aging squad behind and always keeping an eye out for a 'bigger club'.
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The_same_as_before Posted on 08/11/2018 23:05

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In over 50 years of watching McC gave me the best times ever no one was close, maybe Robson.
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UKLL1981 Posted on 09/11/2018 00:19

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Mowbray was in the championship though, McClareb in the prem.

God, those uefa cup nights were good, can’t see us ever seeing that again [|)] the game has passed MFC by.
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redwurzel Posted on 09/11/2018 02:59

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Smac received oceans of stick on here from hundreds of posters when he was manager.
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JLinardi Posted on 09/11/2018 03:23

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Honestly I’d have Mowbray back as director of football if he ever fancied it, the guy knows how to put a team together specially on a budget.

The team that got play offs and promotion had 6 of mowbrays signings in it (yes I’m including Ayala).
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Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 09/11/2018 07:02

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It's a meaningless star given SMAC was a PL manager
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johnsmithsno2 Posted on 09/11/2018 07:38

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Ok, the stat doesn't tell it all as they were different divisions.

However, the more time goes on the clearer it becomes that Mowbray's reign was a missed opportunity for the club and an example of why having a short-term outlook leads to bad outcomes.
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fattyfoggon Posted on 09/11/2018 08:17

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he is doing a great job at Blackburn, I would have him back at the Boro any day
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Caesium137 Posted on 09/11/2018 08:39

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I loved the bloke, but come on, he was awful in his last 12 months. There were plenty on here saying he shouldn't be given anymore money. Plenty of his signings were dreadful as well.

I thought the club identified players to fill the managers needs?

Boro's woeful 2013

In the Championship:

Played: 33
Won: 5
Drawn: 9
Lost: 19

Link: linky
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Abel_Tasman Posted on 09/11/2018 08:54

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“The more time goes on the clearer it becomes that Mowbray's reign was a missed opportunity for the club and an example of why having a short-term outlook leads to bad outcomes.”

More appropriately I would say as time goes on then the bad times under his time with us get less clear to people. He was rightly dismissed at the time. Two wins in 12 and if I recall there was not much resistance when he went I felt very sad that day at Barnsley when the chorus of booing was aimed at a once playing legend. It did him a massive favour as it turns out. His time at Coventry was up and then down unfortunately but he’s doing fine at Blackburn.
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Buzza Posted on 09/11/2018 09:08

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He had his time at the club albeit with his hands tied behind his back with finances. It didn't work out he's moved on and so have we. He is Blackburns most successful manager in terms of win % in their 123 year history. I watch a lot of Blackburn and they are a very good side. Should be comfortable top half. He also comes to watch Boro at every single opportunity he gets. Boro Legend [^]
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UKLL1981 Posted on 09/11/2018 09:15
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People have short memories. If we had stuck with Mowbray we would of gone down. Top at Xmas, missing out on the playoffs to going on a massive losing run. We started the following season exactly the same, we were in free fall, leaking goals and on course for relegation to league one when he was sacked.
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Exiled_in_Herford Posted on 09/11/2018 09:24

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I'm not backing Mowbray up here, but we weren't in the bottom 3rd after a 3rd of the season so when people say we would have gone down I realise they're talking absolute b0ll0cks
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UKLL1981 Posted on 09/11/2018 09:29
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2 wins in 12 is relegation form. It’s the manor of the defeats too, we were conceding 2 or 3 every game. He might of been a Boro legend but he deserved to and had to be sacked when he was. We started the season as we finished the last one, freefalling.
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jono_feds Posted on 09/11/2018 09:30

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I've looked at win ratios in the past but realistically, you need to look at the teams they've faced.

Otherwise, you might as well say that Graham Alexander is a better manager than Jurgen Klopp as he has a win ratio of 60% at Salford City compared to Klopp's 53.2% at Liverpool.
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Exiled_in_Herford Posted on 09/11/2018 09:44

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Which part of we weren't in the Bottom 3rd do you not understand?, the means at least 8 clubs were below us. We weren't getting relegated in any way shape or form. Still you crack on with your misguided belief
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CardiffDaffs Posted on 09/11/2018 09:51

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“Relegation form and bottom 3”. Bit of a difference in meaning there don’t you think? Although of course if we were to use the form table prevailing then we probably were in the bottom 3. But of course we never use the form table as a stick to beat a manager with do we.
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Boro_Gypo Posted on 09/11/2018 09:58

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Mowbray's last 3 months was some of the worst football I've seen Boro play.

It was as bad as the worst football played under Strachan. Worse than the football played under the entire Karanka reign and certainly worse than the football we are playing now.

Most Boro fans have a soft spot for Mowbray and everybody wanted him to succeed but it wasn't happening for him.
He had lost the confidence of the players.
He didn't know his best team.
We couldn't keep goals out.
There was no organisation to the point it was difficult to actually decipher what formation we were playing at times.

I'm not saying Mowbray is a bad manager. It just wasn't going right for him at Boro and there was no signs of it getting better. It was one of Gibson's best moments as our chairman sacking Mowbray and bringing Aitor. It was very brave and I'm sure it was a difficult decision for him but it paid off.

Maybe under different circumstances Mowbray could have been more successful for Boro and he did the difficult job of clearing out the Strachan legacy and turning our finances round. It was the right time for him to go though and I don't remember too many complaining at the time.
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Exiled_in_Herford Posted on 09/11/2018 09:59

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You can use any form table you want for his sacking, 3, 5, 6, 10 or even the actual table and we still weren't in the bottom 3. We were drawing a lot of games but the fact remains that we still had 8 teams below us after 12 games and had won our previous home game to his sacking 4-1. Most of you lot won't have been going then so won't remember it
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icarus1965 Posted on 09/11/2018 10:49

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Mogga thought Jason Steele was a good keeper and Dimi only fit for a contract worth a few hundred pounds, plus Mogga thought Pears was a good coach.


Mogga good player awful manager...

Southgate went onto better things after been sacked from us...
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festa5 Posted on 09/11/2018 11:20

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"I recall there was not much resistance when he went I felt very sad that day at Barnsley when the chorus of booing was aimed at a once playing legend."

That implies it was all the away following booing, which it wasn't. There was a lot of arguing in the stands that day. He still maintained a core of support. Agree it was a sad day. He's not just a playing legend but a top bloke too.

I think he probably had to go at the time. The team needed shaking up. Sometimes it's just hard to get out of a rut. That Barnsley match summed it up. Clearly a better team than we were showing, but leaking soft goals on a regular basis. We had plenty of chances that day to salvage an unlikely draw.

I'd love to see him back at some point and supported better financially. Doubt he'd take the job again though.
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Boro_Gypo Posted on 09/11/2018 11:21

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Exiled.

We had won 2 from 12 and conceded 21 goals.
4 Points above relegation zone and 10 points below playoff zone.

Karanka then came in and won 6 of his first 12 games and conceded 12 goals with the same players. We were then 5 points outside play-off zone and 12 points above the relegation zone.

This was following on from a terrible end to the season prior.
The stats show Gibbo made a good decision at the right time.
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Boro_Gypo Posted on 09/11/2018 11:23

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festa5, I think you have summed my feelings perfectly there. Top bloke, top football man but his time as Boro manager had come to an end. Even the Mowbray faithful did not complain too much. We just need a change and it worked.
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go_nads Posted on 09/11/2018 11:23

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I was going and it was dreadful football at the end. We moved on, Mowbray learned from it.

We might not have been in real danger of relegation, but the previous year of football showed we were closer to that, than promotion.

It would be ludicrous to suggest the right decision wasn’t made. The club may have let Mowbray down in terms if funds available and player recruitment, but he also let the club down being unable to organise a defensive unit.
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Marvanelli Posted on 09/11/2018 11:29
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Mowbray's time as manager should be looked back as the bloke who inherited a complete and utter shambles from the useless Strachan....saved us from relegation....had peanuts to spend (compared to the manager before and after him) and even had us flirting with the idea of promotion on two separate occasions.

I will always think of Mowbray's time as manager as a positive and thank him for every thing he done.

Turning that car crash from Strachan into a more stable and stronger club will not have been an easy task to manage.

He also left a brilliant platform for Aitor to kick on and gain promotion [^]
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coluka Posted on 09/11/2018 11:41

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Fully agree Marv with that [^]

I think Mowbrays tenure was much better in hindsight than many fans thought at the time. We were all shell shocked from the 2009 relegation and subsequent scottish experiment of Strachan. The subtlety of the mess the club was in was perhaps not fully taken on board. Mogga was turning the club around but some performances and results were hard to swallow at the same time. As said, AK built on the platform Mogga left, AK reinvigorated the squad and fans at that time, a bit like Charlton did with Andersons squad back in the day.

It was what it was, but Mogga oversaw massive and much needed change and deserves credit for all he did
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WallaceFennel Posted on 09/11/2018 11:46

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You simply cant compare stats between the Premier League and the Championship, McClarens achievements for a club of our size in the premier league were unreal
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redwurzel Posted on 09/11/2018 11:56

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Agree with Marv and Coluka.

To get us 7th with a very limited budget was an excellent achievement. I don't think he spent a penny for his first 20 months in charge.

He is a better than average manager.
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sheriff_john_bunnell Posted on 09/11/2018 12:01

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Mowbray was unlucky that the season ran from August to may. He got the results over a calender year to get us promoted I think. He was pardew like in his ability to get the team on a winning run but also couldn't pull us out of the tailspin when it came. I think it was jukewitz that did for him. Got a million quid which was big bucks in those chastened times, and spent it all on the wrong player.

Funnily enough it was the sales of juke and emnes that funded karankas push to the playoffs. Two poor players that did for two previous managers, and we still managed to get someone to fork out.
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AlBoro1984 Posted on 09/11/2018 12:10

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"Mowbray was unlucky that the season ran from August to may. He got the results over a calender year to get us promoted I think."

You could argue he was lucky too as the results over the next calendar year were absolutely brutal.
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MightyDuck Posted on 09/11/2018 12:11

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Mogga - next manager
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Heine Posted on 09/11/2018 14:03

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Peanuts?
2m on Adomah and Juteweitz
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Ticker_Tape Posted on 09/11/2018 14:08

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He cleared a lot of Strachans tripe out, but he lost his way with his football.

Karanka received more backing from King flossy.
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Jonjon40 Posted on 09/11/2018 14:25

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McLaren won us a trophy and got us into Europe end of, Mowbray was terrible and couldn't get us promoted.
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Marvanelli Posted on 09/11/2018 14:27

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'Peanuts?
2m on Adomah and Juteweitz'

peanuts in comparison to what Strachan & Aitor had to spend.

So yes, peanuts.

Oh and it's Jutkiewicz....
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BigCityLivin Posted on 09/11/2018 15:08

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And both of those players were sold on at a large profit
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Cooper6711 Posted on 09/11/2018 16:18

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Did well get the money back he wasted on kamara?
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redwurzel Posted on 09/11/2018 18:21

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Mainly good buys by Mogga.

The £2m for Adomah who was swapped for Traore who we sold for £20m.


Leadbitter/Friend/Ayala all core parts of the team for at least 4 years


We made a profit on Juke, Butterfield.
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coluka Posted on 09/11/2018 18:30

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Adomah only cost £1M and Jutkiewicz was around £1.3M both sold on at a profit.

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JLinardi Posted on 09/11/2018 19:26

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As if people are arguing against Mowbray having peanuts to spend when we’ve spent about £25m a season since he got sacked. That’s including a total waste of £50m in 2017.
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Never_over_come Posted on 10/11/2018 07:57

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Robsons reign was the most enjoyable for me with the style and played we had but mclarens was by far the most productive and those eufa nights and the cup final win will be hard to be beat
But mowbray is a good manager and nothing to spend and took over a very poor mainly Scottish squad
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Anton_Berg Posted on 10/11/2018 08:57

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Mowbray has found some good players at his various clubs, which is what is needed in a Boro manager. McLaren's spending was unsustainable, you'd have to break FFP limits to repeat his success.
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