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ExFootyLegs Posted on 08/11/2018 08:46
Edited On: 08/11/2018 08:48Trump press Briefing yesterday
 
 
Live on sky news...did anyone see it ?

I have never seen anything like it...Trump is an imbecile. Rude and arrogant to reporters who challenge his view of events.
Incredible attitude.
And on the subject of Iran sanctions which are 'supposed' to put pressure on Iran not producing nuclear arsenal - Trump says, I need to not let the oil price go high because of these sanctions. So some countries can have oil from them who need it.
eh ?
So, on the one hand you morally want Iran to suffer for possible nuclear weapons production...but not 'suffer' too much because we (the west) dont want oil prices going up too much...(as that would hurt us in the pocket)
Just shows the morality of the man is utterly Zero. Trump : you either want one thing or the other ; you cant have both if you want the moral high ground.

And he admitted as much in front of the worlds media. He is as thick as two short planks.

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sambadance Posted on 08/11/2018 08:57

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The unraveling of the orange oaf has begun..

Now Whitehouse trying to say reporter manhandled the female press assistant, which he clearly didn't, as it shows her trying to wrestle the reporter's mic from HIM and has had his press pass withdrawn? For what, asking a question?

And then Sessions resigning...(fired)!...hope they get him quick...a very, very dangerous liar, is the orange oaf.
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BobUpndown Posted on 08/11/2018 09:08

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Trump is a bald faced liar.. with any luck it will finally be the start of his end..

getting rid of Sessions could backfire on him.. Sessions replacement has gone on record as saying investigation into Trumps finances would be going too far.. personally I think that is all Trump cares about & where his skeletons are buried..

Trump digging his own grave..
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Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 08/11/2018 09:44

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Watched it, cringeworthy.

He’s behaving like an authoritarian which is what his base wants, though they turn a blind eye when he cowers like Reek from Game of Thrones around a real authoritarian like Putin.

He now feels emboldened to fire Sessions, it’s only a matter of time before he tries to fire Mueller. He’s obviously guilty, unless you believe “my taxes are very complicated, people wouldn’t understand them” and he’s trying to fire the person investigating him because he’s innocent.

But I wouldn’t count on it making a difference, his XXXXXXic base won’t care and the Republicans Senators won’t have the balls to vote to impeach him.
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sambadance Posted on 08/11/2018 09:51

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He's made a lot of enemies through sacking some very powerful people (James Comey,Rex Tillerson to name but two) ........it will bite him in the ass big time. [^]

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newusername Posted on 08/11/2018 10:43

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I read something the other day from a US white house correspondent and they said despite the ego, lies, exaggeration & attacks, the press pool are relatively happy with Trump as he is the most accessible President any of them can remember.

Take yesterday his press conference was 90 minutes long, most Presidents came in did a prepared statement took a couple of questions & buggered off.

Sure he behaved poorly & wouldn't take a relatively anodyne question from a CNN reporter but from that one press conference there are now a ton of stories to be written & talked about.
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Decent_Left Posted on 08/11/2018 10:52

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His Press Conference was basically the Arnie Vinick strategy.

Unfortunately for Trump he aint no Arnie Vinick
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Ziggy Posted on 08/11/2018 11:02

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He looked like a very worried man. According to some the Mueller enquiry is probably almost complete by now, nothing was going to happen before the mid-terms anyway. Although the HoR must be very careful not to move to fast and make him look the 'victim'... that's a roll he's adept at playing with skill
Also the unilateral tariffs he imposed on various countries are now starting to slowly have an affect on the economy.
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sambadance Posted on 08/11/2018 11:14

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me,me,me, press conference lasted 81 minutes and was....guess what? mostly lies and all about himself...as per usual.He will be taken down, for sure.
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Smogster Posted on 08/11/2018 11:25

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That Jim Acosta is an awful human being, i am glad his pass has been revoked, it should have been revoked a lot earlier, it shows how lenient the Trump administration has been. It literally took for him to aggressively push that girl away for anything to be done about him.

How he is still employed by CNN is beyond me. The lunatic left at it's best again.

[V]
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Muttley Posted on 08/11/2018 11:41

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Did you see the "video clip" that had been sped up purporting to show Acosta pushing away the intern?

Fukken comical doesn't do it justice. They had taken a clip of the intern trying to grab the phone and cut it so that you don't see that but see his hand coming down on her arm and sped up so it looks like he is pushing her away! Shocking and amateurish.

The Tangerine Tawt at his most worrying.
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littlejimmy Posted on 08/11/2018 11:41

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The lunatic, lying right at it again...making up things. He didn't push the intern whatsoever. I'm sure I'm wasting my time even engaging here.
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GibbosArmy Posted on 08/11/2018 11:46

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"I won Georgia, Oprah and Obama campaigned very hard and I only had me"

[rle]

He was not a candidate and his VP spent a day campaigning there.
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fools_gold Posted on 08/11/2018 12:15

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Mueller's report is due soon so he's now bricking it for that so he's fired Sessions and replaced him with a lickspittle who's on record as saying his son was right to meet the Russians for Clinton info.

Then there's the House Democrats who could now potentially expose his history of criminality and tax evasion.

Oh and that press conference (the listing of Republicans who lost because, he says, failed to pay enough homage to him) was the ramblings of just a complete ars*hole with some sort of narcissistic personality disorder but that's nothing new.
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plazmuh Posted on 08/11/2018 14:18

Trump press Briefing yesterday

 
Trump is at least open to critcism not everyone

like it or approves of it..

A typical Tory Ploy..

Much Love
Plazmuh

Link: xxx
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Remster Posted on 08/11/2018 14:31

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It's misogyny. And if you disagree with me, you're a misogynist. And probably a racist.
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newusername Posted on 08/11/2018 16:37

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"I won Georgia, Oprah and Obama campaigned very hard and I only had me"

2016
Votes for Trump 62,984,828
Votes for Clinton 65,853,514

2018 Senate (latest)
Republican c.35m
Democrats c.45m

Having never won the popular vote, he struts round giving it the big I am.
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BarnesBoroFC Posted on 09/11/2018 03:12
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Is this the sped up footage you are referring to?

She was hardly wrestling him for the microphone.

She went to grab it off him, and he very deftly pushes down on the fulcrum point of her elbow to prevent her. And pulls the microphone away from her.

I'm sure it didn't hurt her, but it was still improper conduct on his part

Link: Compressed not doctored
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bear66 Posted on 09/11/2018 08:51

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Baloney
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Muttley Posted on 09/11/2018 09:05

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"...it was still improper conduct on his part"

Like fukk. [:o)]
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festa5 Posted on 09/11/2018 09:23

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Is there any news on how the intern is doing? Out of hospital yet? I hope they manage to save her arm.
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Funky_Chicken Posted on 09/11/2018 09:31

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Absolutely vile human being - typifies the very worst of capitalism




🐔
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Keyboard_Worrier Posted on 09/11/2018 09:40

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It astounds me how anyone can criticise the reporter having watched both bits of footage.

To try and construct a case against him based on either bit of footage is ridiculous and reflects badly on the judgement of those attempting to.
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Manaboutadog Posted on 09/11/2018 11:21

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We live in a world where Government Ministers can lose their jobs because the back of their hand brushed against a woman journalist's knee 15 years ago and she even said “No one was remotely upset or distressed.”

Live by the sword....
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yearbyred Posted on 09/11/2018 11:52

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"We live in a world where Government Ministers can lose their jobs because the back of their hand brushed against a woman journalist's knee 15 years ago"

Pity the same standards don't apply to Presidents although I'm not sure you can grab them by the ***** with the back of your hand.
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coluka Posted on 09/11/2018 12:08

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He is a dangerous megalomaniac. He acts like a comedy bond villain at times. Anyone who thinks of the USA as the land of the free is deluded.

He is running America like the despot he is. Republican voters and their politicians must be hypnotised. His foreign policy comes across as made up in he moment as opposed to thought through. The trouble is people cant see they are being played by him. Those thatearn a living off his coat tails should be ashamed. That said he is well liked by many and will no doubt win a second term imho [sad]
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Magicman1971 Posted on 09/11/2018 12:13

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The election & more so the mid terms , have proved that the people who vote for trump are going to do it regardless of what he does or says .
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Doppelganger Posted on 09/11/2018 12:25

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Trump and Brexit prove you don't have to fool all of the people all the time, just around 51% of them (or less inc the people who don't vote).
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truthBomb Posted on 09/11/2018 12:29

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everyone who voted for trump is an idiot. everyone who voted brexit is an idiot.

ahh, that's better - so glad top get that off my chest.

I can go about my day now [^]

enjoy your weekend
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Ziggy Posted on 09/11/2018 12:32

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According to this guy there's a 3 frame edit alongside the speed up.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=8TSpgB0QS0g

Link: Link
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two_banks_of_four Posted on 09/11/2018 12:34

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Trump has never got 51% of the vote.

The fact that people are defending the decision to ban the journalist is laughable. It's another lie from a serial liar. Politics doesn't come into it.
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two_banks_of_four Posted on 09/11/2018 12:34

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Trump has never got 51% of the vote.

The fact that people are defending the decision to ban the journalist is laughable. It's another lie from a serial liar. Politics doesn't come into it.
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Manaboutadog Posted on 09/11/2018 13:34

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"Pity the same standards don't apply to Presidents although I'm not sure you can grab them by the ***** with the back of your hand."

Has anybody ever actually said that he did it to them?

And more importantly, instead of those above focusing on Trump they should be examining the reasons why the phenomenon of Trump (and Brexit) happened.
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Remster Posted on 09/11/2018 13:49

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What's this got to do with Brexit?
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BarnesBoroFC Posted on 09/11/2018 13:54
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""...it was still improper conduct on his part"

Like fukk."


Feel free to test it out in a corporate workplace, Muttley.

Google, perhaps.

Maybe everyone laughs it off, maybe you get raked over the coals by HR.
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Ticker_Tape Posted on 09/11/2018 13:58

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Within my lifetime the country practiced apartheid and had laws to back it up.

The white supremacists are having their last hurrah, where do they go after Trump.
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BarnesBoroFC Posted on 09/11/2018 14:00

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Hopefully they will become born again Christians and realise no one likes white supremacists
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yearbyred Posted on 09/11/2018 14:14

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"Has anybody ever actually said that he did it to them?"

Yes they have.
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Muttley Posted on 09/11/2018 14:19

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Feel free to test it out in a corporate workplace, Muttley.


What a complete and utter apologist you are. If you think that "incident" would cause anything more serious than a raised eyebrow in any circumstance you are living in the pool of fear that your own stupidity has created. The physical contact, such as it was, was instigated by the intern trying to grab the mic.

"...improper conduct on his part..."

Like fukk [:o)]
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Manaboutadog Posted on 09/11/2018 14:24

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'Yes they have'

Who? And what was the evidence?
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FartingGnome Posted on 09/11/2018 14:27
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Why do you never ask for evidence for Trump's bragging claims?

Is it because you'd struggle? Surely he tells the truth all the time, it shouldn't be difficult.
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BarnesBoroFC Posted on 09/11/2018 14:30
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"A raised eye-brow" i.e. because you acted improperly.[:o)]

"What a complete and utter apologist you are."
I love the startling lack of self awareness by Muttley, here.[:D]
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yearbyred Posted on 09/11/2018 14:37

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"Who? And what was the evidence?"

Your question was had anyone said he had done it. The answer to your question is yes they have.



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Manaboutadog Posted on 09/11/2018 14:39

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"Who? And what was the evidence?"


And that's my follow up question. That's how it usually works in conversations.
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festa5 Posted on 09/11/2018 14:45

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I think you could quite easily argue that reaching across someone to try and forcibly remove a microphone from their hand is "acting improperly". I assume the intern is also now banned from Whitehouse?

If someone does that to you in the workplace and you react as Acosta does, which is more of an instinctive reaction than anything else, absolutely nothing would happen to you. He barely moves.

In fact I think there's arguably more of an issue with the intern as the instigator of the use of 'force' (loosest possible definition).

Surprised more hasn't been made of that. I wonder how it would have played out if the reporter had been a woman and the intern a man?
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BarnesBoroFC Posted on 09/11/2018 14:50
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"Surprised more hasn't been made of that. I wonder how it would have played out if the reporter had been a woman and the intern a man?"

Oh I agree if the sexes were reversed CNN would be having a field day with it.
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ZippytheHippy Posted on 09/11/2018 14:56

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Personally i think that when the President of the USA asks you to give up the mic, you comply out of respect for the office. Whether you respect the man is immaterial. For me the guy from CNN was disrespecting the Office. Trump should have kick the guy from here to next Sunday.
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bear66 Posted on 09/11/2018 14:57

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Looking at the video, the movement that makes contact is her to him. CNN aren't bothering with a field day.
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BarnesBoroFC Posted on 09/11/2018 15:00

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"Personally i think that when the President of the USA asks you to give up the mic, you comply out of respect for the office. Whether you respect the man is immaterial. For me the guy from CNN was disrespecting the Office."

This[^]
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bear66 Posted on 09/11/2018 15:04

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The public servant should have some humility or he ceases to be a public servant.
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FartingGnome Posted on 09/11/2018 15:05

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And Zippy gets on his high horse about respect for the presidential office and comes out with

"Trump should have kick the guy from here to next Sunday"

You mean that kind of respect?

Trump has no respect for the Office, nor anything else for that matter, he deserves none. Why should anyone else? He's despicable.
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BarnesBoroFC Posted on 09/11/2018 15:09

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That's interesting bear66...
Me and Festa5 were talking about what might happen if the reporter was a woman, and the intern was a man
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BarnesBoroFC Posted on 09/11/2018 15:13

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Here's a question
If a woman slaps you and you slap her back
Is only the woman acting improperly?
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Borocelt Posted on 09/11/2018 15:46

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I'm not aware of any workplace that i've ever worked in, where physically snatching things out of someones hand is ok. Any physical contact was initiated by the person doing the snatching... which is entirely how it would be dealt with in any remotely sane workplace.

If someone puts their hands on you, it's an entirely normal reaction to stop them. Christ, he even says 'excuse me, ma'am' [:D]

Imagine how desperate you'd have to be to try and spin this argument. Which is exactly how this all looks, because they just lost a deeply gerrymandered house, and if it wasn't for a mixture of horrible gerrymandering and voter suppression, they probably would have lost the Senate too (which should never, ever have happened considering what was up for grabs this time around; there's a reason the Dems were 11/1 to take it). The popular vote speaks for itself.

I can't fathom the folk making excuses for all of this. Sad.
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bear66 Posted on 09/11/2018 15:47

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No. Unless the second slap was in defence of his life.
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FartingGnome Posted on 09/11/2018 15:51

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`'I can't fathom the folk making excuses for all of this. Sad."

Unfortunately I can. Even sadder.
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krissy Posted on 09/11/2018 15:55
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Why are people so infatuated with this utterly irrelevant event?.

Is this what politics is all about now?

I'm out.
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FartingGnome Posted on 09/11/2018 15:58
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Probably because it pretty much summarises the Trump administration in one incident. Bile, bluster, blame, victimisation, vilification, suppression of dissent and barefaced lies despite incontrovertible evidence to the contrary.
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BarnesBoroFC Posted on 09/11/2018 15:59
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BoroCelt
I actually agree that they go too far to say he assaulted her, I never said that above.
Merely that he acted inapropriately by trying to physically restrain her however lightly.

Maybe you can argue she innitated contact by moving to take the mic from him under instruction, but he certainly escalated the situaton and used an escalation of force by pushing down on her elbow.

That's not a natural reaction, pulling away is a natural reaction. Using something he probably learnt in some corporate self-defence class is not appropriate in that situation

I can fathom why people think the White House reaction was too strong. I can't fathom how people would consider this excusable behaviour on his part.
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Manaboutadog Posted on 09/11/2018 16:01

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"I wonder how it would have played out if the reporter had been a woman and the intern a man?"

If the genders were reversed Feminists would have been outraged at a man 'silencing' a woman who was 'speaking truth to power'.

If it were Hillary asking a male reporter to drop the mic, a refusal would have had the usual people screaming 'MISOGYNY!!'.

That's sort of the point isn't it?

As I said earlier...Live by the sword, die by the sword.
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FartingGnome Posted on 09/11/2018 16:03

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If the genders were reversed ....
If it were Hillary ....

But it's not, this isn't even whataboutery, it's hypothetical whataboutery.

Not much of a defence.

Pretty desperate stuff.
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BarnesBoroFC Posted on 09/11/2018 16:05

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Manaboutdog isn't answering his own question you know, FartinGnome[rle]
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krissy Posted on 09/11/2018 16:06

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Manaboutdog has probably summarised it best.

Muttley would have been first to have the dummy out if the above stated had happened.
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Manaboutadog Posted on 09/11/2018 16:07

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It's reversing the genders....obviously[rle]
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FartingGnome Posted on 09/11/2018 16:08

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Nobody's answered any of mine. But don't worry about it, I wasn't expecting any.
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Manaboutadog Posted on 09/11/2018 16:09

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You mean all those pu$$y grabees and all the evidence?
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BarnesBoroFC Posted on 09/11/2018 16:11

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Well it did come off like they were rhetorical ones, so I can see why you weren't expecting an answer.
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littlejimmy Posted on 09/11/2018 16:38

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Just more gaslighting BS from the usual suspects. When something bad is done by Trump or his ilk (e.g. pussy grabbing/body slamming a journo) it's laughed off and belittled, but when they get a chance to manufacture some kind of outrage like this, they're all over it with barely-contained glee. XXXXXX pathetic and predictable.
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BarnesBoroFC Posted on 09/11/2018 16:40
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Just more gaslighting BS from the usual suspects. When something bad is done to Trump or his ilk (e.g. pussy grabbing/body slamming a journo) it's laughed off and belittled, but when they get a chance to manufacture some kind of outrage like this, they're all over it with barely-contained glee. XXXXXX pathetic and predictable.

I corrected it for you. still works. [^]
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littlejimmy Posted on 09/11/2018 16:43
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LOL.

Left is right. Day is night. 2+2=5.
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two_banks_of_four Posted on 09/11/2018 16:49

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Barnes seems to have seen the Stephen Seagal remake of the incident.

Surprised he was playing Acosta though, playing against type to show his depth maybe.

The dim mak move was a bit unnecessary though. Can't wait to catch it on channel 5 one rainy evening
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festa5 Posted on 09/11/2018 17:04

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" Using something he probably learnt in some corporate self-defence class is not appropriate in that situation "

Come on. Was that written with a straight face? You think pushing down a bit with an arm is a taught self defence move? [:D]

Love to know where I can sign up to these corporate self defence classes like. I assume they cover more than just stopping interns grabbing microphones? Presumably also covers things like how to stop colleagues nicking your stapler?
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masqueSmog Posted on 09/11/2018 17:10

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"Presumably also covers things like how to stop colleagues nicking your stapler?"

........... if we gave everyone a stapler, that wouldn't happen ..........
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BarnesBoroFC Posted on 09/11/2018 17:18
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Well... the first draft included "a karate chop to the synovial joint thus disabling the arm"
but against my better judgement I decided to tone it down a little

[8)]

Link: I knew I had seen his technique somewhere before
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br14 Posted on 09/11/2018 17:26

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"Left is right. Day is night. 2+2=5."

Male is female. Female is male. There are 31 genders. Mussolini was a not a member of the National Directorate of the Italian Socialist Party. Hitler did not believe in nationalisation of industry, the confiscation of corporate profits, state control of education and health care.
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Borocelt Posted on 09/11/2018 17:33

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"Using force" Jesus christ, it's the mildest brush and he's not even looking at her. [:D] It's completely normal, and you don't invade someones space like that in the first place.

As for disrespecting the office, i can't think of a single person who has done more to disrespect the office of President of the United States than fanta features. Should he have grabbed her by the p*ssy instead? [:D]
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festa5 Posted on 09/11/2018 17:55

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Barnes [:D]

That's where you've gone wrong. Take a leaf out of Trump's book. He wouldn't have toned it down.
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littlejimmy Posted on 09/11/2018 19:46
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FartingGnome Posted on 09/11/2018 23:48

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See all the Trumpettes are out marching, batons twirling and pompoms a go-go.

Pathetic.
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plazmuh Posted on 10/11/2018 01:09
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lapennabianca Posted on 10/11/2018 02:24

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To be fair to Mussolini, he did then create a political ideology dedicated to the destruction of socialism. He also tortured and executed a fair number of them too in pursuit of this.

You're better than this 'Hitler was a socialist tripe', br14.
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bumface Posted on 10/11/2018 04:27

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This place is hilarious at times. Socialists are nazis. White is black. And that girl was seriously assaulted by someone snatching a mike back from her. The orange clown baby is in for a far more difficult two years. although he's already firing people to try and limit the damage. He isn't gonna be able to build his stupid wall and it looks like Iran is just getting a ticking off and has slid down the list for the moment. Rightly so, since it seems to be the most progressive state in the region. Lets just sell bombs to Saudi to bomb the flip out of Yemen and not think about this stuff instead, right?

Who does our current prime minister's husband work for again . . .?
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Bruce_Rioja Posted on 10/11/2018 10:16

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Hitler often spoke of 'the socialism of nations'. He believed himself to be a Socialist and promulgated policies such as 'the people's car' (volkswagen) in 1937 (when Mr. Hitler was leader of the German Labour* Front which was an amalgamation of the various Trades Unions).


National Sozialismus is when Nationalism meets Socialism. That was subsequently shortened to 'Nazi'.

Fascism however is not a political movement per se. More an authoritarian methodology.

Link: National Socialism
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Bruce_Rioja Posted on 10/11/2018 10:21

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In other news: actual close-up footage of the incident has emerged on twitter.

Link: Shocking
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rob_fmttm Posted on 10/11/2018 10:27

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No it isn't. There was nothing at all socialist about fascism. It was an extreme ideaology of racial supremecy. It was aimed at the lower middle class German who felt squeezed and dispossed. National Socialism was not socialism it was total state control. Nationalisation for nationalism. Where only the party existed. The propoganda was set up to fool and entice do not be fooled now all those years after a whole generation fought to save your freedom to say that.
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Bruce_Rioja Posted on 10/11/2018 10:39
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As I said above Fascism is a process rather than a doctrine.

There has been plenty of Socialists acting fascistically. Just look to current-day South America.

'racial supremacy' was the nationalist bit of National Socialism.

Socialism pretty much always ends up with 'state control'. Where hasn't it?
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two_banks_of_four Posted on 10/11/2018 11:25
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if the extreme right is a race horse and the extreme left a carthorse what kind of horse is fascism? Answer a combine harvester

jonathon meades explains from 10:00 minutes in.

Link: meades on fascism
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rob_fmttm Posted on 10/11/2018 11:36

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Facism is absolutely a doctrine. Nazis and they did not call themselves that belief was foundered on racial purity and racial supremecy. This meant that the extermination of millions of jews, gypsys, gays, disabled, trade unionists, communists even took priority over use as slave labour when they were losing the war.
Facism was a belief, almost a twisted religion and a scourge of human kind. Never ever forget that the Final Solution of racial purity became the absolute central driving force of Hitler's Reich.
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lapennabianca Posted on 10/11/2018 11:45

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A 1998 piece by a mistranslating ideologue. There's a reason Watson stands alone.
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Liamo Posted on 10/11/2018 12:41

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''Has anybody ever actually said that he did it to them?''

Not too many - only the 22 of them, so far.

As for the evidence, as is common in these kinds of cases, it's mostly a 'he said, she said' situation. Although there have been three court cases so far, I think many of them have run up against the statute of limitations already.

Link: The 22 women accusing Trump of sexual misconduct
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Bruce_Rioja Posted on 10/11/2018 13:11
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Good link that 2bof[^]

'Fascism is anything anti-fascists want it to be'.

It was National Socialism which was the belief. Fascism was the means.

Fascism is an authoritarian, dictatorial, censorious form of governance which can be right or left.
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Boromart Posted on 10/11/2018 13:32

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Trump is a sociopath, he hits almost every one of the 20 criteria (you don't need all) set out by Dr Robert Hare. He scores extremely highly, way more than any of the recent world leaders, it's a spectrum and he right up the top end.

1) glib and superficial charm - unquestionable, it's how he wins votes
2) grandiose (exaggeratedly high) estimation of self - He's a very stable genius dontchaknow
3)need for stimulation - He is reknowned for his short attention span and need for stimulation, recently it takes the form of press-baiting
4) pathological lying - unquestionable again
5) cunning and manipulativeness - again unquestionable
6) lack of remorse or guilt - unquestionable
7) shallow affect (superficial emotional responsiveness) - he doesn't actually show much emotion, except for petulance and rage. His other emotional range seems to lack any depth, you never see a smile or laugh that has sincerity, because he doesn't have an honest and full spectrum of emotions.
8) callousness and lack of empathy - again, this is unquestionable, his reaction to the Saudi journalist is a great example, he was weighing up the benefits in his head, no empathy for the family and friends.
parasitic lifestyle
9) poor behavioural controls - again press conference behaviour is a great example
10) sexual promiscuity - Stormy et al
11) early behaviour problems - was sent to a very strict school because of this
12) lack of realistic long-term goals - some would say that being president is unrealistic for a man of with his behavioural problems
13) impulsivity - again yes
14) irresponsibility - his attacks on the free press
15) failure to accept responsibility for own actions - never says sorry, never back tracks, doubles down on every lie and terrible behaviour
16) many short-term marital relationships - 3 marriages, but openly cheating
17) juvenile delinquency - I don't think this happened
18) revocation of conditional release - has bought his way out of issues in the past, so this has been avoided
19 )criminal versatility - unquestionable
20) Parasitic lifestyle - his business and life has been built on his dads wealth, he abuses contractors and vendors by taking but not paying, he sues to pressurise people into dropping claims for money owed etc. He lives of other people and always has.

That's the truth behind who Trump is, he is a very dangerous and irresponsible individual, who will happily destroy democracy, harm lives, watch children split from parents, empower people to harm his enemies, whatever it takes, to WIN, with not even a twinge of remorse.
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BarnesBoroFC Posted on 10/11/2018 13:47

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Oh hey BoroMart, it's been a while since we've seen you peddling your home-made psychoanalysis of Trump
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hopesoboro Posted on 10/11/2018 14:06

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Manaboutadog in his element again - bitching about women![:D]
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38Red Posted on 10/11/2018 14:22

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Boromart[^][^]
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BarnesBoroFC Posted on 10/11/2018 14:51

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Dear god they're breeding
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Boromart Posted on 10/11/2018 16:48

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BarnesBoro, it might be my amateur psychologist opinion, but it is also the opinion of some experienced and fully qualified psychologists who took the unprecedented step of publishing their findings.

Regardless what I think, the facts are that there are 20 traits, and the evidence is that he has shown those traits in abundance. You can disregard all you like, the evidence is there to those that wish to see. Carry on in ignorance.
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BarnesBoroFC Posted on 10/11/2018 16:59
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We went over this two years ago, and established that there is no legitimacy to your nonsense

"Regardless what I think"[:D]
It's your own subjective analysis ya doyle

Carry on in stupidity [^]
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BarnesBoroFC Posted on 10/11/2018 17:27
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This is interesting
Jimmy Dorr (of The Young Turks) has just buried Jim Acosta and CNN here.

Although his politics might be too progressive/socialist for my own tastes, the guy has principles [^]

Nice to see someone speaking truth to power

Link: Trump attacks stupid questions from CNN
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littlejimmy Posted on 10/11/2018 19:12
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Trump supporters/voters are cultists. They refuse to see the irrefutable facts. They're more worrying than Trump himself, who is just another spoiled rich kid who can't handle criticism.

Edit: misread the principles bit.
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dougt Posted on 10/11/2018 19:18

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"Trump supporters are cultists. They refuse to see the facts."

Sounds exactly like you and your social media hashtag cranks.

And I think BBFC is talking about the principles of Jimmy Dore, not Trump.
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dougt Posted on 10/11/2018 19:21

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[:D]
So embarrassed, he goes back and deletes his stupidity

"As for having principles, principles my hat. He changes his stance to fit whatever the situation is. This is irrefutable, unless you're deluded or just trolling. He used to be a Democrat and big friends of the Clintons."
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littlejimmy Posted on 10/11/2018 19:22
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Social media you say? How ironic, because that's how Trump works. He has sidelined mainstream media and disseminates his views directly to his fans.

I hold my hands up to misreading BBFC's post. XXXXXX happens. Maybe you should grow up.
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dougt Posted on 10/11/2018 19:28

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"Maybe you should grow up."

Maybe you should heed your own advice and drop the pathetic lies and the ridiculous sensationalism you indulge in. You're just a different side of the same coin that Trump's rabble are. Utter mentalists.
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Boromart Posted on 10/11/2018 19:41

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It's not just my subjective analysis, it's the expert analysis of many experts in the field of sociopathy and psychiatry. But carry on, 'ya doyle'
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BarnesBoroFC Posted on 11/11/2018 01:11
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Here is the thread from 2 years ago.

You'll notice I was willing to respectfully discuss your "theory" back then and talk you through how it and "your expert opinions" didn't hold any real value, or certainly not to the level of making a statement like:
"Trump is a sociopath"

And yet you repost the same list uncritically again and again.

So you'll forgive me if I don't feed your obvious trolling any further.

Of course I could very well be wrong.

But your cut and paste effort doesn't indicate that much of anything has changed. (read that multiple ways if you like)

Link: 2 years ago
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Abel_Tasman Posted on 11/11/2018 15:25

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Meanwhile yesterday Trump decided to skip the WW1 commemoration event because it drizzled with rain. What an embarrassment.



Link: My Orange Face Might Run
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sambadance Posted on 11/11/2018 17:12

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And guess who CNN sent to cover it?

The 'Terrible Man' himself mmmmmmmwwwooaaaahh!
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Remster Posted on 11/11/2018 19:37

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Why are you embarrassed by the actions of a foreign politician? Weird.
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br14 Posted on 11/11/2018 20:51

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"There was nothing at all socialist about fascism."

Mussolini was initially a socialist who admired FDR (apparently reciprocated), and who was congratulated by Lenin on his rise to power. He edited the Italian socialist magazine "Avanti".

For whatever reason he felt Marxism couldn't work in practice and moved towards a form of nationalism in which the state, while not "owning" the means of production, effectively controlled industry in the interests of the state.

During his "reign" he expanded public spending until Italy had enormous deficits, spending vast sums on infrastructure etc.

Hitler was first leader of the German Workers Party which eventually was renamed the National Socialist German Workers Party.

The Nazi's also admired FDR's "New Deal" and there was general praise for FDR. Hitler believed "The Public Weal Transcends the Interest of the Individual".

While not "owning" the means of production, again the Nazi's (in their 25 principles) talk about the welfare state, national health care, the forcible sharing of profits, and control of industry. They also spent massively on infrastructure, and much of the current German road system is due to the Nazis.

If you could wipe away the madness of German superiority and its resulting crimes (if only) much of his agenda wouldn't disgrace a modern left wing party. (You can check out the 25 principles with a quick Google search).

What characterised both regimes was the use of uniformed mobs to impose their will against anyone that disagreed with their position. And of course both countries became authoritarian dictatorships once the party leaders gained power.

Spain's General Franco is generally not considered a true Fascist, although obviously as a military dictatorship it was an authoritarian regime.

While since the war fascism has been seen as "on the right" whatever it was (how do you define fascism) it grew from the left. But what does that really mean anyway? Left and right are just a simplistic way of grouping something far more complex.
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Manaboutadog Posted on 11/11/2018 21:33

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Good post[^]

Finishes the thread off nicely.
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FartingGnome Posted on 11/11/2018 23:34

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It'll be finished when the Trupmettes admit the truth of what happened in that Press Briefing.

Se the OP.
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Boromart Posted on 12/11/2018 00:46
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BarnesBoro, I didn't cut and paste anything. The reason the list is the same is that the list of 20 traits is dictated to by the American Psychological Association and were devised by Dr Robert Hare and haven't changed in 40 years.

It's an opinion I have formed, and it happens to be shared by a number of psychologists who broke rank with general protocol to sign an open letter, due to the extreme nature of Trumps behaviours. I'm far from trolling, that is an easy way for you to avoid debate. I truly believe he is a very high scoring sociopath.

Now if you want to challenge any of the 20 points and why I am wrong, feel free to do so. At the moment your counter opinion appears to be "No he isn't and you are wrong", it's not really a compelling counter position, maybe you have more, happy to spar on it.
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BarnesBoroFC Posted on 12/11/2018 01:55
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"Bandy Lee, a psychiatrist specialising in preventing violence and Yale professor, and Gartner [formerly of Johns Hopkins] say a large proportion of mental health professionals agree that Trump is showing signs of mental illness, although they differ somewhat in the next step. Some, like Gartner, think the remedy lies in the 25th amendment to the constitution with a direct appeal to Congress to remove Trump because of impairment, a process allowed under the amendment. Others, like Lee, say therapists cannot diagnose Trump without examining him and call for an independent assessment." (British Medical Journal, 2017)

DOI:10.1136/bmj.j1087

I agree with Lee.

A quick search on google scholar reveals a total of two published articles.
One in 2016 from The Journal of Psychology and Politics - with a total of 1 citation going off my university search engine.

And the only other published article is actually an editorial discussing the issue in the British Medical Journal in 2017 (above). Nothing since then.

So there is nothing to discuss.


Tell you what, this is just a football message board, so you can feel free to continue pushing this, but I don't wish to spend any more time discussing the merits of your own personal analysis ad infinitum (we did that in 2016, probably in 2017 as well, it's now Nov 2018).

To put it simply your own personal analysis of Trump has no validity. So I truly apologise, but I sincerely have no intention of spending any more time on this.

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Boromart Posted on 12/11/2018 08:32

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so in other words you cannot deny any of the points I made against the 20 criteria for sociopaths. That's fine, your argument is "I don't believe you, but I cannot justify why I don't believe you". That's fine, my post wasn't for people enamoured by Trumps veneer of charm, those people simply cannot see what's in front of their face, because they choose not to. Carry on.
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CardiffDaffs Posted on 12/11/2018 09:47

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“Why are you embarrassed about the actions of a politician”

I’m pretty sure the poster wasn’t embarrassed but Trump sure should have been.
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