Home  |  Message Board  |  Fan Pics  |  Fan Polls  |  RSS Feed  |  Top of Thread  |  Login  |  Register
Display By:
Home  |  Message Board  |  Top of Thread  |  Login  |  Register
Display By:

Previous Thread   |  Top Of Board  |  Start New Thread  |   Next Thread
Zoophonic Posted on 05/11/2018 21:55
They Shall Not Grow Old - Peter Jackson Film
 
‪Been to see “They Shall Not Grow Old” the Peter Jackson film this evening. Jaw dropping. No other thing I’ve seen that has given such a visual experience of the madness and horror of the Great War.‬ It’s a must see but warning - it’s graphic.
IP: Logged
Easy_ Posted on 05/11/2018 21:58

They Shall Not Grow Old - Peter Jackson Film
Brilliant film maker. I'll definitely give it a watch.
IP: Logged
Abel_Tasman Posted on 05/11/2018 22:06

They Shall Not Grow Old - Peter Jackson Film
[^]

Hope to see it Friday.
IP: Logged
mddbadman Posted on 05/11/2018 22:10

They Shall Not Grow Old - Peter Jackson Film
It's on bbc2, half nine Sunday night.
IP: Logged
Abel_Tasman Posted on 05/11/2018 22:14

They Shall Not Grow Old - Peter Jackson Film
Want to see it on the big screen to be honest.
IP: Logged
Zoophonic Posted on 05/11/2018 22:17

They Shall Not Grow Old - Peter Jackson Film
Concur with that Abel.

The only sense you don’t get of the trenches is the smell obviously. The sound system at my local cinema brought the sound of the pounding shells and mortar to life.
IP: Logged
joseph99 Posted on 05/11/2018 22:32

They Shall Not Grow Old - Peter Jackson Film
It will be in VR soon
IP: Logged
Norman_Conquest Posted on 05/11/2018 22:48

They Shall Not Grow Old - Peter Jackson Film
I received this film from the British Red Cross last week.

Can we ever really know what it was like for these men before they go over the top into no mans land?

Link: Unknown Soldier
IP: Logged
redwurzel Posted on 06/11/2018 00:02

They Shall Not Grow Old - Peter Jackson Film
I saw on its release night 16th Oct.

A full house in my local cinema and that is very rare.

Chirpiness of the troops comes out both in the old film and some of the 1964 interviews. The colour showed the blood and the poppies growing during the summer months of the battles.


What a waste still comes to my mind - it seemed like a game to those at the top of society but not to the young solders of all sides.
IP: Logged
go_nads Posted on 06/11/2018 00:30

They Shall Not Grow Old - Peter Jackson Film
My great uncle was a survivor from the First World War, he was shell shot to hell. I don’t remember too much before he passed away, I do remember that he was a lovely man, but he was always kind of “absent” for long periods and was always shaking. Must have been through hell. My great grandad I know died and the only thing that came back from the front was his mangled bugle which my dad now has. Horrible time and a sad reflection on humanity and especially the ruling classes who had no conscience or control when sending young men over the top for very little gain.

The term cannon fodder can never been so apt.
IP: Logged
Zoophonic Posted on 06/11/2018 08:58

They Shall Not Grow Old - Peter Jackson Film
"What a waste still comes to my mind - it seemed like a game to those at the top of society but not to the young solders of all sides."

What a waste is absolutely right. But what struck me were the comments from the veterans before they went to war. They couldn't wait to get out there and the impression was that many felt it was an exciting game. Indeed one said that he was worried that the war would be all over before he got there. It was only when they were marching to the trenches that they found out what it was really like from those tommies they were relieving, marching back the other way. That sudden dreaded realisation of the hell to come.

Also what really hit me was the recruitment process. Most couldn't wait to sign up of course but those who were hesitant were shamed into doing so. The incident where the guy was walking down the street with his mate and accosted by two women who asked them why there were in civvies. He got a "white feather up his nose" in disgust. He went immediately to the recruitment office.
IP: Logged
Muttley Posted on 06/11/2018 09:09

They Shall Not Grow Old - Peter Jackson Film
Disappointed to not catch this on the big screen but looking forward to it on the telly.

As a companion piece can I recommend "100 days to Victory" which looks at the way in which the Allies gained victory, it actually shows that the view that the Generals' doctrine was (as caricatured in Blackadder 4) "...Field Marshal Haig is about to make yet another gargantuan effort to move his drinks cabinet six inches closer to Berlin" was a little unfair. Doctrine, tactics and strategy did evolve and change over the course of the war. Interesting if you are have an interest in military history.

Link: Episode 1
IP: Logged
CardiffDaffs Posted on 06/11/2018 09:40

They Shall Not Grow Old - Peter Jackson Film
Thanks Muttley I’ll give that a watch.

Also not going to be able to get to the cinema to see it on big screen. Just surprised the BBC have put this on BBC 2 and not BBC 1 top slot.
IP: Logged
hopesoboro Posted on 06/11/2018 10:50

They Shall Not Grow Old - Peter Jackson Film
Partially watched a documentary on BBC 4 at weekend, pretty sure they said 16 million dead in the war!
The tunneling under German positions that were ignited simultaneously (17of them!) that caused biggest explosions known to mankind and the craters visible today that were caused.......
IP: Logged
redwurzel Posted on 07/11/2018 01:34

They Shall Not Grow Old - Peter Jackson Film
hopes.....

1m British and Commonwealth died. 16 million figure looks a bit high for all forces.


In the last 4 months of the War the Allies became cleverer on initiative on Commonwealth commanders who were allowed to make more strategic decisions. Examples included use of tanks, aircraft together, with lightly armed shock troops, pinpointing artillery against German artillery positions using sound location equipment, smokescreens, all standard stuff in ww2. In contrast at the Somme 2 years earlier British solders were told to walk with full back pack without tank, aerial support, smokescreens. To me the British Army was poorly led for most of WW1 and it was the same in the Boer Wars before. It did improve after WW1.
IP: Logged
Cooper6711 Posted on 07/11/2018 01:45

They Shall Not Grow Old - Peter Jackson Film
My great great grandad survived 1st war. Had his elbow shot out and gassed but survived. Obviously never met him but my mam said he had all sorts of problems with his lungs. She said her nana hated the government and said they never did anything for you until they went to war when they wanted your husbands and sons
IP: Logged
bear66 Posted on 07/11/2018 08:36

They Shall Not Grow Old - Peter Jackson Film
Grandfather had lung gas damage and died 10 years later. Casualties were far greater than official statistics.
IP: Logged
Gnasher Posted on 07/11/2018 11:21

They Shall Not Grow Old - Peter Jackson Film
So very true bear66, so many died after the war, from their injuries and ailments.
IP: Logged
redwurzel Posted on 07/11/2018 11:46

They Shall Not Grow Old - Peter Jackson Film
I fully agree many of the wounded became the dead after 1918.

NHS were treating shrapnel wounds in the 1980s from men wounded in WW1 and some died of their war injuries.
IP: Logged
Abel_Tasman Posted on 07/11/2018 12:03

They Shall Not Grow Old - Peter Jackson Film
My great grand-father was a New Zealand tunneller who worked on the trenches in the Somme and was repatriated to UK in 1917 and lived out his last two years in an asylum in North Norfolk suffering from shell shock.

A few years ago I made a sort of pilgrimage to the place he passed away and he is buried in a church yard in a peaceful village near Mundesley. It was a very moving g experience for me. I shall have him at the front of my thoughts this week.

If you are interested part of his work that he helped on can be seen in Arras at the Wellington tunnels where you can descend into the cave of tunnels that connected the town to the front line. It’s just astonishing the work they did.
IP: Logged
Zoophonic Posted on 07/11/2018 18:56

They Shall Not Grow Old - Peter Jackson Film
That’s great Abel and can understand why you got emotional visiting his resting place.

I have been to those Wellington tunnels in Arras and they are amazing in the way they were created especially the chapel.
IP: Logged
HarryVegas Posted on 07/11/2018 19:07

They Shall Not Grow Old - Peter Jackson Film
Never met my grandad on my dad's side. He came back gassed from that war and by all accounts was not the same afterwards. Another invisible casualty who died years afterwards but long before I was born from a related respiratory condition.
IP: Logged
Borocelt Posted on 07/11/2018 19:51

They Shall Not Grow Old - Peter Jackson Film
Anyone out of the UK know how to watch this? iPlayer is location locked. Would like to watch the best copy i can.
IP: Logged
Abel_Tasman Posted on 11/11/2018 09:11

They Shall Not Grow Old - Peter Jackson Film
Borocelt. Have you got a VPN. You should be able to watch with one?
IP: Logged
CardiffDaffs Posted on 11/11/2018 12:57

They Shall Not Grow Old - Peter Jackson Film
I think this will be an apt end to the day which has been incredibly moving already. BBCs coverage today is excellent.
IP: Logged
HarryVegas Posted on 11/11/2018 13:00

They Shall Not Grow Old - Peter Jackson Film
I rarely watch TV and haven't seen anything at all today but am looking forward to seeing this tonight.
IP: Logged
yearbyred Posted on 11/11/2018 13:04

They Shall Not Grow Old - Peter Jackson Film
The actual line should be “they shall grow not old” as in they shall stay in the memory. Only a small thing but does actually alter the meaning slightly.
IP: Logged
Muttley Posted on 11/11/2018 14:35

They Shall Not Grow Old - Peter Jackson Film
Article on "History Extra" and I listened to the podcast which is linked from the page in my link which was very interesting, he explains the change in wording of the title (Peter Jackson is something of a WW1 buff and knows his stuff) and much more.

Link: History Extra Peter Jackson Interview
IP: Logged
tiny Posted on 11/11/2018 19:59

They Shall Not Grow Old - Peter Jackson Film
Looking forward to it tonight.what bits ive seen looks it brings it to life.
IP: Logged
Uksake Posted on 11/11/2018 22:32

They Shall Not Grow Old - Peter Jackson Film
Went to see it today. Very moving.....
IP: Logged
Foggysfplandiet3 Posted on 11/11/2018 23:09

They Shall Not Grow Old - Peter Jackson Film
Amazing, just amazing.

What a ridiculous, futile war this was.

Even in 2018 I feel such anger at the idiot “Melchett” types who sent so many young men to their deaths.
IP: Logged
CardiffDaffs Posted on 11/11/2018 23:09

They Shall Not Grow Old - Peter Jackson Film
Jaw dropping
IP: Logged
scally Posted on 11/11/2018 23:15

They Shall Not Grow Old - Peter Jackson Film
Did all this really start when an Austrian bloke was assassinated in Sarajevo? One Million dead! Tragic [|)]
IP: Logged
zorro_mfc Posted on 11/11/2018 23:21

They Shall Not Grow Old - Peter Jackson Film
That really was quite something what truly remarkable piece of work. Even for someone who has studied the period and who visited the battlefields of northern France, to actually see and hear from the men who fought their and view it not via the black and white grainy pathe like films but in the startling colours that they would have was quite a thing.

To see them going over the top like that and knowing that this wasn’t s dram that this wasn’t actors but the real thing was actually quite chilling to look into the eyes and see their fears and emotions was quite haunting.

Yes that really quite something it’s actually difficult to sum it up really. It gave us all just a small glimpse of the true horrors of the Great War.

Well done Peter Jackson and the bbc.

Lest we forget.
IP: Logged
uncle_rico Posted on 11/11/2018 23:26

They Shall Not Grow Old - Peter Jackson Film
I was lucky enough to see it on the big screen a few weeks ago, but was an equally moving experience watching at home on TV tonight. It’s a stunning piece of film. I was sceptical when I first heard about this being made but Peter Jackson has done an amazing job.

I’ve been to the western front battlefields a number of times (and done a few stints as a tour guide), but the place never ceases to amaze and move me. Going again in the spring and cannot wait.

I really hope they keep teaching WW1 in schools.
IP: Logged
Abel_Tasman Posted on 11/11/2018 23:30

They Shall Not Grow Old - Peter Jackson Film
Well said Zorro and Unc Rico

It is jaw dropping. That’s exactly what happened to me when the screen expanded into colour. Throughout, I had to constantly remind myself of what I was watching and when it happened.

Not wishing to take anything away from the soldiers, those cameramen were so XXXXXX brave and I'm sure a lot of them died when the adrenaline of getting a great shot got the better of them. And what an important job they had, especially now, documenting it all.
IP: Logged
swordtrombonefish Posted on 11/11/2018 23:35

They Shall Not Grow Old - Peter Jackson Film
I posted on the other thread (didn't see this one at the time)

I was - and am still upset, angry, amazed, horrified, stunned and enlightened by that piece of work. I am not sure I've seen anything that pulled me in so many directions at once, and I feel it is important that younger people see and remember.

Well done to Peter Jackson and all that were involved in such a brilliant piece of work.
IP: Logged
CardiffDaffs Posted on 11/11/2018 23:36

They Shall Not Grow Old - Peter Jackson Film
I did think that the colour remastering would take away some of the impact but it certainly enhanced the trenches experience and the terrible conditions those heroes had to endure.

Never will I moan about the mud and state of the toilets at Glastonbury that’s for sure. Positively 5 star compared to what the servicemen had to put up with in the front line. The scene of them all sat on the log was surreal
IP: Logged
zorro_mfc Posted on 11/11/2018 23:44

They Shall Not Grow Old - Peter Jackson Film
The trenches are mostly associated with terror and bloodshed but what is often overlooked ( and what this showed) is how hideous they were in of themselves (away from the war aspects) and how abhorrent the general living conditions for the men truly were. Rat infested lice infested no sanitation with an ever present stench of death and decay in the mud and cold.

It truly must have been horrific.
IP: Logged
Boro_HP Posted on 12/11/2018 00:04
Edited On: 12/11/2018 00:11
They Shall Not Grow Old - Peter Jackson Film
Good piece of work, although I think the frame-rate fixes were more successful than the voices and recolour of the footage. The 10 or 18fps footage always felt like there was a distance between the subject and the modern viewer, like it was a dramatic piece or a novelty.

However, it does have to be said that the footage of people going over the top is not front line footage. It's footage taken back at training camps and during practice away from the front line.
IP: Logged
uncle_rico Posted on 12/11/2018 00:13
Edited On: 12/11/2018 00:18
They Shall Not Grow Old - Peter Jackson Film
Boro HP - it’s common knowledge that some footage of WW1 is from training and also set up for the cameras. There are little give aways, like the type of kit the men are wearing. One of the most famous pieces of film used for showing men going over the top on the first day of the Somme is actually fabricated footage. There simply wasn’t enough footage taken.

Abel, there’s a really good documentary on Yesterday TV channel called WW1’s Frontline Camerman. It’s about Geoffrey Malins, who was responsible some of the advances in motion picture at the time. He filmed the mines in first day of the Somme. As you say, fearless.
IP: Logged
Boro_HP Posted on 12/11/2018 00:48

They Shall Not Grow Old - Peter Jackson Film
Yeah I was just replying to one of the posts above about the cameraman on the front.

I don't think I saw the most famous bit of 'faked' footage in Peter Jackson's thing, the one shot from behind where the infantryman slips and everyone assumes he's taken a bullet as soon as he's over the lip.

I always find these kind of recolours really odd looking and not particularly natural. The most effective use, in a horrific shocking sense, is of the dead bodies in the mud. It really drives the horror of WW1 home.
IP: Logged
HarryVegas Posted on 12/11/2018 07:11

They Shall Not Grow Old - Peter Jackson Film
SUICIDE IN THE TRENCHES
By Siegfried Sassoon

I knew a simple soldier boy
Who grinned at life in empty joy,
Slept soundly through the lonesome dark,
And whistled early with the lark.

In winter trenches, cowed and glum,
With crumps and lice and lack of rum,
He put a bullet through his brain.
No one spoke of him again.

You smug-faced crowds with kindling eye
Who cheer when soldier lads march by,
Sneak home and pray you'll never know
The hell where youth and laughter go.
IP: Logged
dougt Posted on 12/11/2018 07:16

They Shall Not Grow Old - Peter Jackson Film
I found the most harrowing part the man talking about putting a friend out of his misery and then breaking down in tears. What an awful situation to find yourself in, in an already awful situation.
IP: Logged
CardiffDaffs Posted on 12/11/2018 10:02

They Shall Not Grow Old - Peter Jackson Film
The shaming of the young men accosted by the women in the street for just walking along in civvies. So much peer pressure to sign up they had very little choice.
IP: Logged
Borocelt Posted on 12/11/2018 10:35

They Shall Not Grow Old - Peter Jackson Film
Unfortunately, BBC iplayer seems to detect my VPN [sad]

Hopefully it'll pop up on the internet somewhere, but i want a good quality one to do it justice.
IP: Logged
claytonsrightfoot Posted on 12/11/2018 11:14

They Shall Not Grow Old - Peter Jackson Film
Brilliant film and done by somebody who really cares about the subject. He has a lot of family connections to The Great War.

The other documentaries worth watching in the build up was the one on the armistice signing and one that ran on BBC4 The Last Tommies.

The 100 days documentary I thought was awful, just a rehash of old inaccurate argument about the campaigns, the generals and lack of advancement made during the war.


IP: Logged
Anton_Berg Posted on 12/11/2018 11:18

They Shall Not Grow Old - Peter Jackson Film
You could give me a pillow-full of white feathers and it wouldn't be enough 'peer pressure'. I'd wait my turn.
IP: Logged
keelo Posted on 12/11/2018 12:35

They Shall Not Grow Old - Peter Jackson Film
What affected me most was a poor guy walking back from the front shaking like a leaf...how many of these poor men were shot for being accused of cowardice by orders from our own hierarchy....heartbreaking and inhuman
IP: Logged
Bergeracois Posted on 12/11/2018 13:28

They Shall Not Grow Old - Peter Jackson Film
"Unfortunately, BBC iplayer seems to detect my VPN"

ExpressVPN - it's not free (can't remember how much) but it's the only one I've found that iPlayer doesn't detect.
IP: Logged
ZappBrannagan Posted on 12/11/2018 15:26

They Shall Not Grow Old - Peter Jackson Film
"What affected me most was a poor guy walking back from the front shaking like a leaf...how many of these poor men were shot for being accused of cowardice by orders from our own hierarchy....heartbreaking and inhuman"

Same here. heart-stopping moment.
IP: Logged
scally Posted on 12/11/2018 17:20

They Shall Not Grow Old - Peter Jackson Film
Not having toilet paper and having to wipe themselves with their hands.

Something you dont think about when you think about the Great War.
IP: Logged
slavens_holgate_fence Posted on 24/01/2020 00:34

They Shall Not Grow Old - Peter Jackson Film
On the back of 1917 movie decided to watch this on amazon prime.
Wow what a documentary! Builds up the excitement of going to war and then the reality hits home, felt like you were in the trenches.
Two things stood out for me, the boy sinking in the mud and left to die and the soldier with his arms and legs missing shouting for his mam. His friend humainly killed him. What an awful war.
That assassination resulted in both wars starting, unbelievably what one incident can result in through a chain of resulting events.
IP: Logged
ThePenguin Posted on 24/01/2020 01:04

They Shall Not Grow Old - Peter Jackson Film
"and the soldier with his arms and legs missing shouting for his mam. His friend humainly killed him."

This was what stood out for me too. Can still remember his words, his voice breaking and being overcome with emotion the moment he recalled what he did.
IP: Logged
slavens_holgate_fence Posted on 24/01/2020 07:28

They Shall Not Grow Old - Peter Jackson Film
In your darkest hour you revert back to a childlike character and want the comfort of your mam. Still thinking of it now, horrific, makes me very sad
IP: Logged
BigmetsBoro86 Posted on 24/01/2020 07:37

They Shall Not Grow Old - Peter Jackson Film
The lack of 'tactics' or any battlefield nounce is stunning. You watch these things and wonder how we let this happen.

The people in charge were basically privileged toffs.

I say 'tactics'...

Go over the top and lose 1000 men. Then next day go over the top again and lose as many... Then repeat daily[sad]

Such a waste of life. You need films like this because its easy to forget what people went through.
IP: Logged
Anton_Berg Posted on 24/01/2020 09:33

They Shall Not Grow Old - Peter Jackson Film
If you believe 'lack of tactics' was a factor, you are opening yourself up to persuasion that such wars are winnable.
IP: Logged
laughing Posted on 24/01/2020 11:19

They Shall Not Grow Old - Peter Jackson Film
I am working in Poland at the minute and visited Aushwitz at the weekend. What a moving experience and testament to mans inhumanity to man.

IP: Logged
Lefty Posted on 24/01/2020 13:09

They Shall Not Grow Old - Peter Jackson Film
The home films of the Nazi's the BBC showed recently was also incredibly powerful.
IP: Logged
redwurzel Posted on 24/01/2020 16:31

They Shall Not Grow Old - Peter Jackson Film
Nearly every war is hell - it should be a last resort and WW1 was not in my opinion of the UK.

Ref British Army tactics - The British Army was used to cavalry and fighting at a slow pace and using artillery against cavalry and lines of men, not deep trenches and machine guns etc. An Australian General called Monash developed integrated assault fighting in 1918 with tanks supported by infantry, artillery and planes all at the same time. It sounds common sense now, but remember tanks and planes were new and even machine guns like the Vickers relatively new.
IP: Logged
CrazyL Posted on 24/01/2020 17:21

They Shall Not Grow Old - Peter Jackson Film
Every time I watch it, it takes me a fortnight to get ‘Madamoiselles of Armatiere’ out of my head. Google it and you’ll see what I mean. It’s also known as the rinky-dinky song.
IP: Logged
Previous Thread  |  Start New Thread  |  Top Of Board  |  Top Of Thread  |  Next Thread



Home  |Message Board  |  Top of Board  |  Login  |  Register


Copyright © 2008 to 2020 Fansonline.net Ltd

FansOnline.net Ltd
Unit 7
Brentnall Center
Gilkes Street
Middlesbrough
Cleveland
TS1 5AP
Fansonline Home | About Fansonline | Contact Fansonline | Advertise On Fansonline | Privacy Policy | TOS
10.0.166.103