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Easy_ Posted on 05/11/2018 18:15
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Go on bomber lad. I actually fancy him to pull this off and shoot himself in to the p4p list. It's gonna be an awesome fight.
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Heam44 Posted on 05/11/2018 18:33

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It would be some achievement if he can pull it off. But Iíd be surprised if he does.

Usyk relatively inexperienced as a pro however so you never know.
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Easy_ Posted on 05/11/2018 18:37

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Bellew has a massively underrated boxing brain. He knows the game inside out. If you watch Usyk v Breidis you'll see that Usyk isn't 8nvincible and can be caught. Such a fascinating fight.
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Block21 Posted on 05/11/2018 18:40

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Looking forward to it. Come on Bellew 👊🏻
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RedSteptoe Posted on 05/11/2018 18:43

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Have a sneaking feeling for TB, he thrives on proving people wrong. Most say Usyk is a beast, pwerfull yes, but can swing a little wild too.
Like TB says, most are beaten before they face Usyk, Bellew SERIOUSLY BELIEVES THIS IS HIS MOMENT IN TIME.....& thrives on the danger
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hopesoboro Posted on 05/11/2018 18:45

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"bang up" ?!
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Easy_ Posted on 05/11/2018 19:00

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[rle] back to inane nonsense are we hopeso? Anything to contribute regarding the thread topic?
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SophieMfc Posted on 05/11/2018 19:03

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Bellew to win late on, if it goes to the scorecards Usyk will win.
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cincinnati_reds Posted on 05/11/2018 19:06
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Anyone else bang up for Bellew Usyk?

 
"If you watch Usyk v Breidis you'll see that Usyk isn't 8nvincible and can be caught"

Yeah, i've said before he can be hit, so Bellew does have some chance. That said, i think Briedis would beat Bellew too.

is Bellew really a better fighter than the one that scraped past Euro level Masternak? i'm not sure. i just think some wins over a very finished Haye is skewing people's judgement. And despite sky hyping Makabu up as some top fighter too, he really wasn't. He was a bit of a puncher but known to be a bit chinny and had barely fought anyone with a pulse.

That's not knocking Bellew, i rate him and he's done very well but just being realistic.

i've never seen Bellew beat anybody to make me think he can beat Usyk but who knows. Bellew does have good timing, good power and a good boxing brain, so he always has a chance.

The only prime elite fighter that Bellew fought was Adonis Stevenson and he got flattened in 6 rounds, although he did struggle at the weight, i think it would've happened anyway.

i just think we'll see the different in levels between an elite fighter and a good fighter that picked up a vacant world title. i see a Usyk stoppage win in about 9 rounds.

Happy to be proven wrong though.
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Easy_ Posted on 05/11/2018 19:10

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Fair points cincinatti. I'll ask you this though, did you give bellew a chance in the first Haye fight?
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MiniShotton Posted on 05/11/2018 19:19

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Usyk will box his ears off
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cincinnati_reds Posted on 05/11/2018 19:21
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"did you give bellew a chance in the first Haye fight?"

i felt that Bellew had a chance if the fight went long.

i wasn't convinced about Haye's comeback. Nobody could foresee the injury he got in the fight but i said before the fight that Haye can no longer throw a long straight right without bringing his body with it, because of the surgeries on it. Haye was always dangerous but he could barely throw his signature shots anymore.

i always felt that if Haye didn't get him early, it could be a good fight. For me it was all depending on what Haye had left, not how good or bad Bellew is and he had nothing left.

i don't even think it matters to say "i bet you didn't give a chance to Bellew" like some do because you don't know how finished a fighter really is until it's proven. Fair play to Bellew for proving it, he did what he had to, but on reflection, i think any fighter beyond a certain level might've done it to Haye by that point.

i think that's a pretty irrelevant point when it comes to this fight.
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Easy_ Posted on 05/11/2018 19:25

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I thought the same to be fair. Haye early or Bellew late.

I just think you can't write Bellew off. He's a student of the game and there isn't much he doesn't know when it comes to the nuances of boxing.
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AlBoro1984 Posted on 05/11/2018 19:28
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Usyk is a beast - heíll be a threat to Joshua etc when he steps up. Apparently he was battering Klitschko when he was sparring before Fury fight a few years back.

Given the quality in the division itís ridiculous heís dominating after only 15 fights.
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Easy_ Posted on 05/11/2018 19:29

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Joshua will annihilate Usyk if they square off. Usyk has no chance.
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AlBoro1984 Posted on 05/11/2018 19:33

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Why do you say that? If Parker can take Joshua 12 rounds and Povetkin wobble him then Usyk will give him a fight.

Bellew is game and has a punchers chance but I think heíll get taken apart.
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Easy_ Posted on 05/11/2018 19:36

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Joshua is too big and too strong for Usyk. He might be able to dance around and make Joshua miss for a while but at some point Joshua will get to him and tear him apart.

The Parker fight was different in the sense that Joshua was winning most of the rounds so never felt the need to step on the gas. Usyk probably will win a few rounds which will just make Joshua step up the gears. No way does Usyk have the power to keep Joshua off him. It'll be a demolition in my opinion.
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cincinnati_reds Posted on 05/11/2018 19:41

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"Joshua will annihilate Usyk if they square off"

obviously Joshua would be the favourite, being the naturally bigger man and natural heavyweight but then it's worth considering he didn't look great v Takam or Parker because of movement, both of which are probably similar size to what Usyk will be when he moves up. Usyk is levels above them i think.

if Usyk is big and strong at Heavyweight, he could cause these fighters problems with his boxing ability and movement. He could end up making a flat footed heavyweight like Joshua look basic. i think plodding forward with a jab, right hand, left hook combo might play into the hands of Usyk at heavyweight.

He's fought super heavyweights in that World Series Boxing before he turned pro, so if he's moving up, you have to fancy it's because he feels comfortable fighting up at that weight. He's too smart to go into it blindly, even if there is more money.
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Easy_ Posted on 05/11/2018 19:43

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Well if Bellew beats him surely you'd have to concede that he has no chance against A beast like Joshua? It's all opinions but for me, Joshua blows him away inside 4 rounds.
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AlBoro1984 Posted on 05/11/2018 20:39

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If Bellew beats him then obv different trajectory for him.

Bellew isnít the most dangerous he has fought though, Briedis is world class and his biggest shots didnít rock him. The
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Easy_ Posted on 05/11/2018 20:40

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I look forward to Bellew proving his doubters wrong... Again.
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Block21 Posted on 05/11/2018 20:42

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I reckon he can do it, he is the perfect underdog.
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SophieMfc Posted on 05/11/2018 23:16

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I thought Usyk took a lot of shots in the Briedis fight, Tony knows he can hurt anyone with that left hook. He wonít get many chances in the fight to dominate but he just needs to catch Usyk once & who knows. Usyk is 1/7 on bookies donít often get it wrong.
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Easy_ Posted on 05/11/2018 23:21

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1/7??? What's Bellew? I need to get on that.
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myfooty Posted on 06/11/2018 03:04

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I'm not that interested in this fight but hope Bellew wins because just normal lad from Liverpool. I have never really rated Bellew, he hasn't really beat anybody that could be classed as top level but people believe all the hype since he was in the rocky movie or what every it was.
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BarnesBoroFC Posted on 06/11/2018 04:56
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As much as Usyk might trouble Joshua with his movement.
He isn't going to just step up to the number 1 contender spot.

He would have to get through a couple of top heavy-weights first. Giving up a lot of weight and power.

I just don't see it.
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AlBoro1984 Posted on 06/11/2018 07:00

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Given that it has taken him 15 fights to dominate arguably the most competitive weight division I donít see it as that unlikely.

He wonít lose any power and has already proven he has enough power to trouble the big lads. Similar too Haye, albeit he was much more limited and with a dodgy chin.
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SophieMfc Posted on 06/11/2018 07:24

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I always felt Bellew ran away from Breidis who before the super 6 was no 1 mandatory challenger, he was very dangerous but fair play TB got a fortune for the 2 haye fights although haye was finished. He did well to beat Makabu getting up off the floor but Usyk is Olympic gold medalist and has beaten all the best cruiserweights. I watched Usyk in the Super 6 he is technically brilliant but also very open to counter punches thatís were I think Bellew sees his one and only chance with his big left hook, watch his training thatís what his trainer was focusing on. Either Bellew late stoppage or UD for Usyk.
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DoomOnHorseback Posted on 06/11/2018 07:38

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He's always got a punchers chance, but I think it's going to be too much of an ask for Bellew. As much as I'd like to see him complete his fairy-tale.
I think Usyk will stop him early.
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BarnesBoroFC Posted on 06/11/2018 08:23

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Out of curiosity how is Usyk similar to Haye?

Usyk may have the power to keep cruiserweights in check, but I'm not so sure if he steps up.

Just going off their records it was rare for Haye's fights to get to the later rounds, especially at cruiserweight. I think there is a big difference in power between what Haye had and what Usyk has.
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Marvanelli Posted on 06/11/2018 08:59

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Bellew has a chance because of his experience.

However, I can't see him beating Usyk. Usyk is a beast compared to Bellew.

I'm massively rooting for Bellew mind. It would be brilliant if he could win this fight.

It's definitely an interesting fight and one I can't wait to watch!

C'mon the Bomber!
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Easy_ Posted on 06/11/2018 10:13

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In what sense is Usyk a beast compared to Bellew?
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myfooty Posted on 06/11/2018 12:38

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I wouldn't be saying Bellew or Usyk are beasts. I'm also amazed that people are trying to make out the Cruiserweight division has been a top division over recent years.
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Easy_ Posted on 06/11/2018 13:42

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Windy you are showing a drastic lack of knoŵkedge there. The Cruiserweight division is packed with killers. Just because you haven't heard of them doesn't mean it's not true.
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myfooty Posted on 07/11/2018 04:58

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[:D]it's not. They is a reason all best Cruiserweights have been jumped at the chance to be part of WBSS. It has been a poor division that has been stuggling for stars and stuggles money and coverage from networks.

Most of the boxers are doing everything they can to make it happen at the criuserweight limit because the haven't fancied they chances at light heavyweight division or heavyweight division which have been much better divisions with much better earning potential from the criuserweight division over recent years.
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Easy_ Posted on 07/11/2018 12:14

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It's a division full of monsters mate. They are just unknown to the casual market so there isn't the big money fights. Don't show yourself up any further. Please.
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myfooty Posted on 07/11/2018 12:48

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I'm not showing myself up. It's division full fighters that are avoid big names and big money fights because they know they would struggle to make an impact in better light heavywight division and heavyweight division. If you look at the records of these so these so called monster killers they are mostly older men in their 30's that have been fighting very average part-time fighters in very small fights.
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Easy_ Posted on 07/11/2018 13:23

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[:D]

Clueless.
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SophieMfc Posted on 07/11/2018 13:43

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Forgetting the haye fights, beating Makabu was a great win but this guy looks head and shoulders above anyone Bellew has faced. I guess thatís why Usyk is 1/7 on with the bookies. Tony can only win this fight with a stoppage not a chance will he outbox him.
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cincinnati_reds Posted on 07/11/2018 14:09
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"It's division full fighters that are avoid big names and big money fights because they know they would struggle to make an impact in better light heavywight division and heavyweight division"

have to strongly disagree with that. The scope for Cruiserweight is 25lbs. Most of them are just too big for 175 and too small for heavyweight. This isn't like your usual weight classes where you can drop or gain 7lbs or whatever and move up or down.

You think they wouldn't move down to 175 and make more money and having a much bigger natural size advantage if they could? of course they would, but most of them weigh in about 199. They can't get down to 175. And fighters like Gassiev would be way too small to go the other way up to Heavyweight in today's heavyweight scene and the size of todays fighters.

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myfooty Posted on 07/11/2018 14:15

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I don't remember all your posts about these so called monsters that are killers in the cruiserweight division. Just over 2 years ago Simon Vallily was fighting one of divisions so called killer monsters Mairis Briedis in 8 round on the undercard of divisons mega fight between Tony Bellew vs †BJ Flores(who also left the stacked killer monsters behind to fight heavyweight)


Bellew WBC vacated his title in early 2017 to fight at heavyweight against Haye. Another former Cuiserweight champion that had to leave the stacked division of killer monsters behind to make some real money from boxing.
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myfooty Posted on 07/11/2018 14:25

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Bellew openly says he kept himself down to light heavyweight because it was better division with better fights and money for him. In end he knew he wasn't going to win title so took eaiser route of going to cruiserweight and fighting lesser boxers for less money and won a world title.
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Easy_ Posted on 07/11/2018 15:15

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You don't remember all my posts? What you on about mate? I don't randomly post about the cruiserweight division or any other division. The weight class is stacked. You disagree. Fair enough.
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GazC_MFC Posted on 07/11/2018 18:34

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Killers??
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myfooty Posted on 07/11/2018 19:26

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Easy_
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Sound.

Your correct it's all opinions and just because somebody has opinions that are differnt to yours it doesn't mean they clueless. I don't think you are clueless in fact I think knowledge about boxing is better than most that post on here on the boxing threads. but I do think you get caught up with the hype at times.
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Fuchs_ache Posted on 07/11/2018 21:17

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Bellew win round 4 or 5, 50-1?
Think I'll have a couple of quid on that [:D]
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The_Right_Honourable_Member Posted on 08/11/2018 01:31
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Myfooty is very anti Matchroom and that's what drives a lot of his views. I'm on the other side to Matchroom as well because I like to oppose a lot of the spin that comes out of the stable. The Hearns give off an impression of used car salesman and I think there's a natural inclination to get one over on them. Their CEO who filled in for Eddie Hearn at the WBSS last week fits the same image. There's something about him that makes you want to oppose him. But you've got to tell it how it is. Sky currently do much better productions than BT and Matchroom put by far the best shows on. I also think Tyson Fury will be stopped by Wilder. Fury can't dodge that right hand for over half an hour having been so inactive over the last few years.

Usyk v Bellew will be a fantastic event and shouldn't be missed. It's going to be interesting as Bellew destroyed Haye in their second fight. Klitschko couldn't deal with Haye in the same style and Haye destroyed Chisora who went close with Whyte. That makes Bellew's stock really high, I know people are now saying Haye was finished. But they weren't saying that before he fought Bellew and Haye said he was in the best condition of his career going into the second fight. Usyk is an unbelievable fighter so Bellew will have to pull off some perfect shots. Even if he does, it still may not be enough - Usyk can take big shots and can easily move away from trouble. It might be a case of Bellew getting desperate and Usyk stopping him. Usyk doesn't rate Joshua, Fury or Wilder and will look to be king of the heavyweight division. He's got to deal with Bellew first.
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myfooty Posted on 08/11/2018 01:57
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Usky vs Bellew is the best fight Eddie Hearn has ever promoted.
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cincinnati_reds Posted on 08/11/2018 03:13
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"I know people are now saying Haye was finished. But they weren't saying that before he fought Bellew and Haye said he was in the best condition of his career going into the second fight."

He isn't going to tell the public that he feels crocked though, he had a PPV to sell and it's well known his comeback was after a very expensive divorce.

i said on here after Haye's first comeback fight that his shoulder wasn't right after them surgeries and that he could no longer throw a straight right without bringing his entire body with it.

Haye can say what he wants about his conditioning but after a retirement, approaching late 30's, back and shoulder surgeries and then the injury he sustained in the first fight, he was finished. That's not to take anything away from Bellew, he did his job well.

Bellew has fought one opponent in his career that can be considered a true top level opponent at the time of fighting and that was Adonis Stevenson and he got done in 6 rounds. People can say that the weight was a problem but even so, it was evident that skill for skill he was out of his depth.

That's what i believe we'll see this time. An elite undisputed champ fighter against fringe world class fighter that can pick up a vacant title with the right fight.
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BarnesBoroFC Posted on 08/11/2018 03:29
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Also, Haye was around 31 when he fought Klitschko
And 37 when he fought Bellew the second time

No fighter would say they were in the best shape of their career at 37 and be taken seriously, even without the lay-off and surgeries
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The_Right_Honourable_Member Posted on 08/11/2018 05:22

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There's a two year age difference between Haye and Bellew so it's not a large one. Haye was apparently extremely surprised by the power that Bellew carries. Even going it into the second fight, pretty much everyone still fancied Haye. The question has got to be, if Haye was finished - why did nearly everybody still fancy him to win? Of course, it's now very easy to say he's finished, but it was Bellew who finished him off. Maybe this fight against Usyk will reveal more regarding Bellew's power.

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GazC_MFC Posted on 08/11/2018 08:03

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People gave haye the benefit of the doubt because of heís ruptured Achilles

Everyone said bellew struggles to put away a1 legged man. Haye is popular with the public so people will always back him.
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myfooty Posted on 08/11/2018 12:48
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Both the Haye vs Bellew fights were a joke. Haye wasn't fit to fight in either fight and problems with legs and shoulders that meant he could even go toe to toe, move freely around the ring, take Bellews weight leaning on him, throw punches he could have thorwn in the past.

Haye being so poor wasn't just down age or been retired for years, it was the injuries the docotors had said would provent from fighting at the level he was once able to fight at.

Like others have said he needed the money and seen Bellew as an easier option for a big money fight.
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hamstercheeks Posted on 08/11/2018 13:05
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As previously mentioned Bellew hasn't beaten an elite fighter (Haye's corpse doesn't count).

This is a huge step up for him and you'd expect him to be outboxed from start to finish, I'm not sure whether Usyk's chin is bad enough or Bellew's power is good enough to bring a KO into it for Bellew. Bellew always talks about being a massive puncher but there's a feeling amongst some people inside boxing that his power is a bit overrated.

The one thing I'd say about Bellew is that he can follow a game plan and his self belief is probably as high as anyone's in boxing. He's surprised many people over the years, when I watched him in the early days I never saw a potential world champion. Maybe he'll surprise everyone again.
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The_Right_Honourable_Member Posted on 08/11/2018 20:54

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Haye was on the radio earlier and said Bellew's power is right up there with the likes of Wilder and Klitschko. If Bellew can pull this off it will be quite something.
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Barnsy Posted on 08/11/2018 21:34

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'Bang up'. No, not for me.
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myfooty Posted on 08/11/2018 21:35

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Bellow's power might have improved but his stoppage rate isn't anything speacil when you look at the quality of opponents it is very average.
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The_Right_Honourable_Member Posted on 08/11/2018 21:45

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He has a 80% knockout rate at cruiser/heavy which is very good. If Haye is being honest, it's hard to question Bellew's power.
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myfooty Posted on 08/11/2018 22:14

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At light heavyweight Bellew was an average boxer with 20 wins 12 of which were stoppages out 22 fights. Most against poor quality of opponents and was found when when stepped against better level boxers.

At cruiserweight and heavyweight the quality of opponents have been poor so his record looks much better.
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The_Right_Honourable_Member Posted on 08/11/2018 22:31

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Bellew will fight whatever is in front of him. Dave Coldwell reckons Bellew is improving with age. Tyson Fury wouldn't get in there with him so that once again suggests his power is real.
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myfooty Posted on 08/11/2018 22:43
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So you think Fury is scared of Bellew's power. Fury going in against Wilder, Kiltschko and Wilder have a lot more power than Bellew. Bellew said he won't get in the ring against the bigger heavyweights because there too big for him. He spent next couple of years using Fury's name to hype himself up.
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The_Right_Honourable_Member Posted on 08/11/2018 23:03

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Haye said this morning that Bellew has comparable power to Wilder. Furthermore, Bellew's left hook is probably more dangerous than Wilder's. Fury v Bellew would have generated big money and Fury could have still fought Wilder. Frank Warren said the fight made sense but Fury has said multiple times that he doesn't want to fight Bellew in a boxing ring.
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myfooty Posted on 08/11/2018 23:59
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Bellew soon changed his attitude when Fury said he will let Bellew feel his power next time he sees him.

Lets face it this is all for show boxing is business and all about money. Bellew was trying get another money fight and was hoping people would fall for his hype. It seems many have.
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BarnesBoroFC Posted on 09/11/2018 02:24

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Well Haye is hardly going to say anything that damages his own legacy. So take it with a pinch of salt.

Also you have to think, he is probably angling to be included as a colour commentator.
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The_Right_Honourable_Member Posted on 09/11/2018 03:21

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What's a colour commentator?

Maybe Haye is just being logical. He's been in a ring with Wilder, Bellew and Klitschko. Bellew was the only one out of the three that put him away. Joshua has also said that Bellew carries a really heavy left hook. I
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BarnesBoroFC Posted on 09/11/2018 03:40

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Sorry Americanisms slipping into my English again.

Basically it's the Analyst or Expert who supports the main commentator

Link: Color commentator
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bungydinsdale Posted on 09/11/2018 04:00

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Did I read somewhere that Bellow is going to retire after this bout anyway to spend more time with his family?
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hamstercheeks Posted on 09/11/2018 09:47

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I don't take David Hayes comments too seriously, against Bellew his legs had clearly gone before he even threw a punch and you could see it a mile off. It's far easier to knock him out when his balance is all over the place.

Against Klitscko he was tucked up with a tight guard and had a solid pair of legs beneath him. I'm not surprised he thought Bellew was a big puncher.
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Chappy112 Posted on 09/11/2018 10:04

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Iíd never rule Bellew out because heís proven that he can win as the underdog but if you ignore that, Usyk does pretty much everything so much better than Bellew.

Bellewís footwork played a huge part in the Haye fight but Usykís footwork is levels above Bellewís.

Bellew has to stay in the fight and try to land something big at some point and try to get him out of there.

I reckon Usyk wins late by Bellew retiring or Coldwell throwing the towel in just because of the amount of punishment heís taking.
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GazC_MFC Posted on 11/11/2018 11:16

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[8D]
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DCI_Gene_Hunt Posted on 11/11/2018 11:25

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"He isn't going to just step up to the number 1 contender spot."

But he will as the WBO have a rule where by if a champion vacates the title to move up in weight he automatically becomes the No 1 contender and therefore entitled to a shot a the title via a mandatory defence.
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AlBoro1984 Posted on 11/11/2018 11:25

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Can tell the posters who hadnít seen Usyk fight before! Bellew did well but was out matched in all areas. Put to sleep with quite a bit to spare.
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BarnesBoroFC Posted on 11/11/2018 11:48
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Fair enough Gene. [^]

I look forward to the fight. He will probably make Joshua look basic , but it will be interesting to see if he will be able to cope with the power.
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Marvanelli Posted on 11/11/2018 12:06

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'In what sense is Usyk a beast compared to Bellew?'

The evidence shown last night Easy.
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Marvanelli Posted on 11/11/2018 12:08

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'Can tell the posters who hadnít seen Usyk fight before! Bellew did well but was out matched in all areas. Put to sleep with quite a bit to spare.'

Spot on AlBoro1984.
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AndyD13 Posted on 11/11/2018 13:11

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Breidis, Gassiev and Lebedev and probably others would all comfortably beat Bellew - he was just in the right place at the right time, but fair play to him.
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thornaby90 Posted on 11/11/2018 20:59

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Reading this back now.. hilarious comments regarding bellew having a chance pulling this off [:D][cr]

Got sucked into the Eddie Hearn Matchroom hype as per usual hahahaha...
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AndyD13 Posted on 12/11/2018 08:50

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Some rather strange posts from Easy that's for sure!

The odds makers rarely get things wrong - the 1/7 was always obviously about right. The Haye comparison was a false one as he was injured and hid that (to a certain extent) so he could get his paydays.
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GazC_MFC Posted on 12/11/2018 09:10

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I like the comment Ďheís a student of the gameí

Majority of boxers are students of the game
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Chappy112 Posted on 12/11/2018 09:58

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Easy always gets pulled in by the Sky hype but to be fair so do a lot of people. What I do find strange though is that next time a fight like this happens theyíll get pulled in again, itís like they forget that this happens every single time and fall for it again and again.

It was the same before Golovkin vs Brook and Spence vs Brook. Also I know it wasnít Sky as such but Mayweather vs McGregor was similar too. The promoters have a job to sell one sided fights as being much closer than they actually will be.
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AndyD13 Posted on 12/11/2018 10:09

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"The promoters have a job to sell one sided fights as being much closer than they actually will be. "

The other trick is to "showcase" lots of names on the undercard of fights, such as Quigg, Callum Smith (until recently), etc in farcically one sided fights - and people think the cards are really strong. They invariably end up being a series of 1/40 odds "contests".
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Chappy112 Posted on 12/11/2018 10:19

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I hate those types of undercards but the people lap it up. I still maintain that one of the best overall cards that Hearn put on was Gavin vs Brook. The main event was poor but the rest of the card was superb and I had no issue paying for it. It sold poorly though and heís never really done that since.

Instead we get undercards like you say, with GEORGE GROVES WOOO!!! Yeah but heís fighting David Brophy ffs.
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hamstercheeks Posted on 12/11/2018 10:36
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Anyone else bang up for Bellew Usyk?

 
It's a funny sport boxing, every time there's a big fight you get these threads full of posts from people who clearly don't watch much of the sport but still have very strong opinions.

I don't think there's another sport like it in that sense. I suppose it's easy to get sucked into the hype if you've watched a highlight reel of someone like Bellew and then hear the pundits on sky giving him a chance.

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The_Right_Honourable_Member Posted on 12/11/2018 14:18

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Probably myself and Cincinnati who called it right. Our views consisted of an approximate prediction of a round 9 stoppage for Usyk and Bellew becoming desperate and getting stopped. I actually think Usyk and I shared almost identical views on Bellew. It was the narrative of Bellew being a dangerous fighter coming off the back of his fights with David Haye. Usyk definitely wanted to see what he was in with for a few rounds. There's no doubt that some of the stock Usyk potentially placed in Bellew helped Bellew have some good initial rounds. But you've got to give Bellew some credit too as he did also earn Usyk's respect in the opening stages. I think it's round 4 when Usyk realises he's good to go. You can see it in his face and I think that's when Bellew starts to doubt himself. This round was very psychologically significant.

I don't think anyone actually predicted how the fight unfolded. No one expected Bellew to be up on the scorecards. A lot of the damage to Bellew was mental rather than physical. But it was the mental pressure that softened Bellew up. Usyk was there in front of him for every second of every round. It was intense and Usyk was a patient assassin. He just slowly turned the screw until Bellew had everything taken away from him.

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BarnesBoroFC Posted on 12/11/2018 14:30

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Reading this thread back is hilarious.
Some of revisionism in these post fight comments are funny as hell.

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