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fools_gold Posted on 10/10/2018 23:30
Making A Murderer: Season 2, 19th October
 
 
They've done well out of this considering the bloke did it.
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newusername Posted on 11/10/2018 07:45

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Or did he?
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bear66 Posted on 11/10/2018 07:59

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Maybe he did, maybe he didn't.
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Fluffy-Carpet Posted on 11/10/2018 08:00

Making A Murderer: Season 2, 19th October

 
Its a very manipulative documentary that's all about the dodgy cops. It very conveniently leaves out the stuff that makes him look guilty as hell. A little reading on he case afterwards and you realise this.
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bear66 Posted on 11/10/2018 08:04

Making A Murderer: Season 2, 19th October

 
So why is there no evidence to corroborate the 'guilty stuff'?
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Fluffy-Carpet Posted on 11/10/2018 08:29

Making A Murderer: Season 2, 19th October

 
It's been ages since I read about it. Things like he seemed a little obsessed with Teresa Halbach and she was creeped out by him. He used a false name to get her to come and photo the car that day and was ringing her with a no id number so she wouldn't know it was him. There is loads of other stuff just can't remember.
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bear66 Posted on 11/10/2018 09:15

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Thought all if that was in the series.
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boromike85 Posted on 11/10/2018 09:23

Making A Murderer: Season 2, 19th October

 
From memory the documentary showed there was a chance he did it but he shouldn't have been convicted. The timeline, the murder scene, how he did it, the evidence, the coerced confession from Brendan etc. was not how it happened if it was him.

He never should have been convicted but it doesn't mean he didn't do it.


The police work was terrible. I've been listening to a podcast (In the dark) on another case in USA about a boy who was kidnapped and murdered and the police were terrible. There is no accountability because sheriff is an elected position and so reports to nobody. They mention that the clearance rate of major crimes is an average of under 10% in some places (clearance just means arrest and charged someone, it doesn't even mean case solved).
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Fluffy-Carpet Posted on 11/10/2018 09:46

Making A Murderer: Season 2, 19th October

 
I watched a similar thing yesterday called Long Shot on Netflix. It's only a short documentary but really good.
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fools_gold Posted on 11/10/2018 09:50

Making A Murderer: Season 2, 19th October

 
From memory, the documentary makes it look like the vial of his blood from years before has a mystery puncture in it that they claim could be where the police have taken some to plant in her car when in reality the hole was from a nurse extracting some to use as evidence in his rape aquital and she had signed a document saying so - and then the DNA found in her car was from sweat, not blood.

At the start they make a thing about the police victimising him in the rape case - not that he was he a known local scumbag who fit the description of the assailant with an alibi of smoking crack by a lake that wasn't corroborated by any of the residents of the lake. It also makes mention of an incident with a cat that he accidentally killed by scaring it through a campfire which brought him to the attention of the police - it would have been less of an accident had he not doused it in petrol beforehand. The police were also meant to be desperately trying to avoid paying a settlement relating to his rape conviction when in fact the logistics of this would be nothing to do with the police department and instead would be handled and paid by the insurers.

The police planted Halbach's remains in a fire pit on his property - the body was burned so comprehensively that only small fragments of skull were found which seems an odd way to frame someone. Then the Rav 4 she was driving was found within his junk yard.

He specifically asked for her to photograph the car and she was hesitant because she'd been before and he creeped her out. He phoned her several times before she arrived but always withheld his number - after she was most likely dead be rang again to make it look like she never arrived but didn't withhold the number because he didn't have to.

Notice how for an apparently massive family (who Brendan's lawyer's investigator said of the family tree that Avery's part needed be to cut down at the branch - aldo with some accusations of incest) only his mother, father and one brother appear at all to support him. On the other hand the first witness shown is his cousin who strongly implicates him. Apparently had Avery not been on trial for murder he may well have been tried for raping a neice of his. His girlfriend appears to support him throughout the documentary but had since said she believes to be guilty as he was a violent man who had threatened to kill her many times and she only did so because she was scared of him.

Had his nephew and mother not been such a pair of halfwits they would have taken the advice and testified against Avery. Were Avery not such a scumbag he might not have left his nephew out to dry by taking responsibility in the face of overwhelming evidence.

The makers present the evidence as having to believe in a conspiracy to make you ignore the many things that make it look like an open and shut case. I had been taken in by the documentary so wanted to read more about it. Was disappointing when you read that he was actually guilty as you like.
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fools_gold Posted on 11/10/2018 10:01

Making A Murderer: Season 2, 19th October

 
Also forgot this from the link below:

"Not only was the bullet found in the garage linked to Halbach’s DNA, but it was forensically tied to Avery’s gun as well. Seems like a pertinent thing for viewers to know. To believe Avery was innocent, you now have to believe that forensics specialists were in on the frame-up and lied about both the DNA and gun, or messed up both tests."

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manhead Posted on 11/10/2018 10:03

Making A Murderer: Season 2, 19th October

 
The whole thing was probably 4times longer than it needed to be, and for that reason, I am out of season 2.
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newusername Posted on 11/10/2018 10:22

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I thought the documentary intimated that a couple of the other relatives living at the scrapyard had the means & the opportunity to commit the crime. Hence the presence of physical evidence & the car at the scrapyard.

The documentary then puts the case the Police, blinded by rage at Avery for the rape compo, didn't investigate them and planted the Avery blood & DNA evidence & coerced a confession from the nephew to make his conviction certain.
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Easy_ Posted on 11/10/2018 10:58

Making A Murderer: Season 2, 19th October

 
I'm convinced Avery is innocent. Zellner is too.
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Tacker Posted on 11/10/2018 12:53

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"To believe Avery was innocent, you now have to believe that forensics specialists were in on the frame-up and lied about both the DNA and gun, or messed up both tests.""

Have you not seen 'The Staircase'?

Forensic "experts" should always be taken with a pinch of salt, as they're still only human and open to a plethora of influencing third parties. I'm not particularly saying the forensics involved with Avery were corrupt, but it has come to light on 2 occasions in US Justice that the experts giving evidence to convict the defendant had their credibility shredded to bits and both found to bend the truth to get the jury to believe that the defendants were guilty beyond reasonable doubt.
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newusername Posted on 11/10/2018 13:31
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Making A Murderer: Season 2, 19th October

 
"I'm convinced Avery is innocent. Zellner is too."

I'm equivocal on Avery. I can believe the Police were certain he'd done it and sought ways outside of the law to strengthen their case to ensure, I also believe he was dodgy as f*** and if not a participant certainly knows who did it.

However I also believe Dassey is innocent and has been fitted up by the Police to confess and strengthen their case against Avery, really feel for the young lad.

If you have 45 minutes to spare the video below of a lecture from a US Law Professor on the 5th & why you shouldn't speak to the Police is actually very entertaining.

Link: Defence of the 5th Amendment
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Easy_ Posted on 11/10/2018 13:48

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Zellner is the new lawyer mate. You mean Dassey.
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fools_gold Posted on 11/10/2018 14:42

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"Have you not seen 'The Staircase'?"

I have yes. Well, I watched the first 5 or something and then skipped to the end as it was dull although it's worth watching for the sister's rant.

That was a case of the "expert" straight up lying about his expertise in blood spatter (or was it something else?). The case against him was flimsy and based on innuendo about his sexuality whereas Avery has some substantive evidence against him. As an aside have you heard about the theory that she was killed after being attacked by an owl? It sounds daft at first until you read that the wife was found with traces of bird feathers in her hand and one near her body. It would also explain why she had such severe lacerations but no real damage to her skull below which was why the prosecution's version of him beating her with a pole seemed unlikely (and how the f*ck do you beat someone to death in that way in such a confined space?).

More about this in the link.

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T1ffy Posted on 11/10/2018 16:16

Making A Murderer: Season 2, 19th October

 
All of the evidence against him is tainted and the story that the police put against him just doesn't add up. They said he'd slit her throat in the bedroom yet there's not one drop of blood in there. Then the car keys aren't found until numerous searches later & yet they were just behind a bed side cabinet. The car search in which a woman finds it in minutes when there land is ridiculously huge. SETUP
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