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borobadge Posted on 10/10/2018 09:05
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biggest ROAD project in London since the M25.

perhaps a few teessiders will get on it and earn some coin.
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Anton_Berg Posted on 10/10/2018 09:15

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Like the M25 it will be chock-full from the day it opens. Perhaps Teesside will get the bridge it needs someday. Another win for London First.
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borobadge Posted on 10/10/2018 09:19

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Indeed.

making London great again. [:D]
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Jonny_Rondos_Disco_pants Posted on 10/10/2018 09:23

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Should ease pressure off the junctions on the A2 and M20 as they join M25. The drive from Grain was a nightmare if you hit that traffic. Seemed to take forever.
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Small_town Posted on 10/10/2018 11:22

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Another win for London first. Except it's not in London. Lets not let facts get in the way though...
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rob_fmttm Posted on 10/10/2018 11:33

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I know of one Teessider already approached for this construction.
Talking of Tees crossings. Last night travelling south from Billingham the A19 viaduct was closed and then diverting there was a police road block on the Newport Bridge. I was glad I had local knowledge. For anyone not knowing Portrack, Stockton and Thornaby and without a sat nav that could have caused a problem, especially when slip roads between the A66 and A19 were also closed. Another crossing might have come in handy last night.
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MightyDuck Posted on 10/10/2018 11:38

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Rob - add to that part of the Haverton Hill road is down to one lane yesterday and today. Traffic was a nightmare.

The A19 crossings are thing of history and totally unsuitable for 2018. 50% more traffic uses the A19 flyover than the Forth Road Bridge.
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MightyDuck Posted on 10/10/2018 11:39

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Samll Town - Its taking traffic away from the Dartford crossing so is very much a London Project.
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redwurzel Posted on 10/10/2018 11:57
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London's influence affects most of the South East. The new crossing is designed to take traffic off the M25 which can't really cope now never mind in 10 years time. The toll booths were removed from the Dartford Crossing, to relieve traffic and it still gets stuck at times just from sheer numbers.

No Governments in the last 39 years have really significantly promoted the English regions outside the South East. Without this many organisations will set up in the South East. Previous to 1979 major incentives were given to organisations to develop in economically declining areas.
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UKLL1981 Posted on 10/10/2018 11:58
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Absolutely essential and currently no alternative. Mrs is from Kent and Iím Sussex. The crossing at Dartford isnít up to volume of traffic or fit for purpose this day and age. If anyone thinks this shouldnít be a priority they should come and experience it for one day during rush hour, say goodbye to two or three hours of your life. Personally I think we need to geographically rebalance the economy and also get lorries off the road either through restricting the hours they can operate or building a railway freight network with hubs. That and building affordable housing in areas where people work, half the people using the M25 are commuting 2 or 3 hours every day because that canít afford to live near to where they work. Reduce traffic, reduce pollution, reduce wear and tear on the roads. Until you do that, you are going to need to build more roads, bridges, tunnels.
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Small_town Posted on 10/10/2018 13:05

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Mighty duck: Dartford isn't London either.

Agreed it's South East centric but surely that route is a principal route for getting freight from Dover up the East of the country?
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London_Boro Posted on 10/10/2018 13:10
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"Another win for London first. Except it's not in London. Lets not let facts get in the way though..."

Correct, although the proposed link roads begin in the London Borough of Havering, beyond that it's Essex into Kent.

Whilst it's a good idea, it's going to potentially mean pretty big problems for the areas in which the approach roads are, Ockendon, Orsett, Stifford etc, some of which are quite rural despite being so close to London

I don't live too far form Junction 29 where the first proposed entry road is, and traffic already gets fairly busy on that roundabout, hopefully they'll address that.
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Wev1 Posted on 10/10/2018 22:39

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This country really needs to buy its own TBMís and employ itís own specialist crew directly, for this and HS2.

The money (and profit) weíre going to be sending abroad here is going to be ridiculous, seeing as the contract will almost certainly go to a foreign tunnelling company.
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Greenandblack Posted on 11/10/2018 08:54

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*** 50% more traffic uses the A19 flyover than the Forth Road Bridge.***

So you are saying the A19 flyover carries 120k vehicles a day? That's almost the same as the Dartford crossing. Where are all these people who use the A19 going?

Every time there's a thread about football crowds on here Teesside is apparently a small conurbation.
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newusername Posted on 11/10/2018 09:26
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"A19 flyover carries 120k a day?"

I was surprised by that statistic so looked it up, the latest figures I could find are in the Tees Valley report from 2016 using DfT traffic counts.

A19 Tees Crossing
2104: 115,205 vehicles per day
2015: 107,585 vpd

Newport Bridge
2014: 18,954 vpd
2015: 19,382 vpd

Probably 2016 & 2017 figures out there somewhere

Link: Table page 7
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MightyDuck Posted on 11/10/2018 09:29

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G&B - The A19 flyover has up to 80k vehicles per day crossing it. The Forth Road Bridge was 15-20k / day less 10 years ago. They built the new Queens Ferry Crossing due to traffic volume.

So, lower numbers yet Edinburgh gets a new £2bn+ crossing. We get the Newport Bridge repainted
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Greenandblack Posted on 11/10/2018 09:38

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***The Forth Road Bridge was 15-20k / day less 10 years ago***

The Forth Bridge was carrying 65K vehicles per day in 2012. The new bridge is carrying about 78K per day at present, and the old bridge is carrying a little more - mainly buses I think.

When you say "up to 80k vehicles per day", that sounds like weasel word marketing speak. There may have been one day when that was the case, but I don't think it's anywhere near that on a regular basis.
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newusername Posted on 11/10/2018 09:52

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"When you say "up to 80k vehicles per day", ... There may have been one day when that was the case, but I don't think it's anywhere near that on a regular basis."

Well, you'd be wrong. No shame in that though.
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MightyDuck Posted on 11/10/2018 11:05

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the figures i've read are at least over 70k and upto 80k every week day
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newusername Posted on 11/10/2018 11:53
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"the figures i've read are at least over 70k and upto 80k every week day"

Are they the DfT figures for 2016 & 2017?

It would be quite a dramatic fall in vehicle numbers from the peak of 115k in 2014 and could call into question the viability in spending £0.5bn on extra capacity if it isn't required.
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MightyDuck Posted on 11/10/2018 12:05

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Newuser - the figures i read are from about 10 years ago. So your more up date info will be correct. Also hammers home the 50% more than the Forth Road Bridge figures
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go_nads Posted on 11/10/2018 12:27

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Why arenít out politicians etc hammering the government and then if they get no response, ensuring that the electorate are aware of the contempt the north is held in?
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Small_town Posted on 11/10/2018 12:36

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Not sure this is an example of the North being held in contempt. Just a much needed infrastructure project.
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Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 11/10/2018 12:59

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Of course, it's geographical location having no influence on the decision to invest the money.

Watched Pointless the other night and one of the contestants was talking about how a new school in Greenwich had been opened for special needs kids, again the national geographic location having no bearing on the decision.


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glover_elbow Posted on 11/10/2018 20:01

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Its quite frankly ridulcous tbat the a1 is single carriage way in many sections into Scotland in the 21st century . Yet London can have as many transport projects as it likes
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Small_town Posted on 11/10/2018 20:04

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Once again itís not about (or even in) London.

Itís an infrastructure project that will surely help bring freight from the port of Dover up the whole of the east coast quicker?

Too many chips on shoulders here.
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MightyDuck Posted on 11/10/2018 20:16

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Small town. We get it, you live in London. Well done. Now open your eyes. There are more construction projects in Vauxhall than in the whole of the North East. Compared to the spend per head on public transport in the SE, 1% of that is spent per person in NE. With Teesside Airport out of use, one airport serves about 4 million people. There is no ĎMí road in the NE. Teesside is still using the transporter as a viable river crossing. As said earlier, the volume of traffic across the Tees matches or exceeds areas which have had billions spent on additional infrastructure. Like the Forth, possibly Dartford and The Tyne has a second tunnel which was necessary now there is the under/overpass being built at Silverlink.
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Small_town Posted on 11/10/2018 21:43

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Itís not about where I live. Donít be that person.

If youíve ever been through the Dartford crossing youíll know a second link is desperately, desperately needed. Iíve never travelled on the A19 and had a delay of more than half an hour.
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