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Adi_Dem Posted on 10/08/2018 16:00
Does the Besic deal point to a wider problem in approach?
 
 
The rules are simple. You canít speak to a player or his agent without the permission of true club that owns his registration. The reality is very different. For most clubs but not, apparently, is, those rules are legely ignored with deals being brokered in advance of a transfer fee being agreed.

What the Besic transfer revealed was that we didnít know what the player or his agent wanted. I think thatís really naive on our part. Those conversations should have happened well in advance of the final hours of the transfer window. We should have been speaking to the agent, negotiating, finalising. Instead we have been surprised at the last minute and unable to push the deal through.

It all seems very straight and honourable but it seems to me to be evidence of naivety. Couple that with a lack of planning, selling players without having deals lined up to replace them and rank bad recruitment over a long period and you start to see a pattern of mismanagement. I donít think we lack funds, I think we lack nous.
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Northoftheriver Posted on 10/08/2018 16:02

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I think it shows admirable integrity from our chairman and benefactor [^]
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Tonethemoan Posted on 10/08/2018 16:03

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Man U and Spurs have the same problem.No nous???
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heaton_mersey_boro Posted on 10/08/2018 16:06

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Everton confirmed the fee was agreed with them and personal terms were agreed with Besic.

Then the agent stuck his fee on, and must have been pretty eye watering.

How can that be MFCs fault - only thing they can be blamed for is the assumption that they would have to pay some sort of fee on £6m and this was blown out of the water by the agents request.

Disappointing, but fair play to Boro for telling the agent where to go.[^]
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Ticker_Tape Posted on 10/08/2018 16:07

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How did they manage the transfers prior to Besic?
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Adi_Dem Posted on 10/08/2018 16:09

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Iím asking whether this points to a wider problem. I think it might. Iím asking for opinions.
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heaton_mersey_boro Posted on 10/08/2018 16:14

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"Problems" rather than a specific "problem" if you are alluding to the recruitment team being poor.

No RB, LB cover, attacking CM, RM. Glaring problems......but we don't know yet who we bid for or whether we will be going mad for loan deals from PL clubs.

Not good, not the end of the word.
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RedSteptoe Posted on 10/08/2018 16:14

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Its the players agent, no one pays a joiner to do work for me ..but me .
They earn enough , they should pay their own agents fee's . There would soon be a reduction when players say you are not getting that much off me , i will leave for another agent
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CiscoKid Posted on 10/08/2018 16:15

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No I don't think it points to a wider problem. We seemed to manage with previous transfers this season and last.

I think the agent tried to take advantage of the club and we simply pulled the plug.
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Northoftheriver Posted on 10/08/2018 16:15

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Ticker I think Gibson is happy to pay agents fees as long as they are fair. I can't remember the player but I'm sure I remember him doing this once before.
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RedSteptoe Posted on 10/08/2018 16:18

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He did it with Zendens agent , & also Mendieta's ......paid a flat fee ,take it or leave it
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billybob Posted on 10/08/2018 16:23

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You would think given that Besic was at our club for the best part of 6 months that we might have had some conversations with him and his agent about joining us the following season.

If we haven't then why not? And if we have then why leave it until an hour before the deadline to ask him what he's looking for?

I'm sure the agent, like most football agents, has lost touch with reality but we really do come across as a bunch of amateurs.
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Jonny_Rondos_Disco_pants Posted on 10/08/2018 16:26

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Remember the Rhodes U-turn due to agent fees also?

fair play to the club for not bowing down to these demands for extortionate payments. It's more money that filters out of the game.
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Northoftheriver Posted on 10/08/2018 16:28

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I also remember Simon Jordan saying he liked Gibson's approach to agents as he doesn't take any cr@p off them
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wilkos_perm Posted on 10/08/2018 16:29

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I would guess, and it's purely speculation, that an agent will look to pull out a few demands late in the day as he's in a position of strength at that point. The club want the player, there's not much time, and the fans already know about the deal.

I'd be cautious about using the term "naivety". I'm pretty sure they know all the potential pitfalls, they'll have been through it plenty of times before.
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Northoftheriver Posted on 10/08/2018 16:29

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"but we really do come across as a bunch of amateurs."

No we don't, we come across as a club who won't be held to ransom by these parasites
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billybob Posted on 10/08/2018 16:31

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It's amateurish in the extreme when Besic has played for the club for 6 months and we've had all Summer to sign him, to be asking his agent with an hour before the deadline how much their fees are.

In fact it's worse than amateur, it's just thick.
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running_friend Posted on 10/08/2018 16:34
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Does the Besic deal point to a wider problem in approach?

 
A wider problem in the game or in our approach to transfers?

Iíd you suggesting thatís there wider problems cos we do things by the book, just be careful what your advocating adi
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Northoftheriver Posted on 10/08/2018 16:35

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billy, how do you know the agent didn't try to move the goalposts once everything else was agreed and it was going to be a permanent deal. I am guessing obviously but I would think that is more likely as these things are usually agreed in advance so the only thing that would stop things is a change of demands.
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billybob Posted on 10/08/2018 16:39
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Maybe that did happen. But when you choose to leave negotiations until the last hour then this is when you get your pants pulled down.

Besic played for us for gods sake. It wasn't like he just popped up on our radar. We should have been signing him once the whistle blew at Villa Park. But we've hung on, presumably to try and get him at a knock down price and we've had it rebound on us.

It's ok to blame the agent and they can be parasites but we've made a right XXXXXX hash of it ourselves.
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Northoftheriver Posted on 10/08/2018 16:41
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Maybe the player wanted to see how preseason to see if he had any future at Everton before deciding on his future, so we had no choice but to leave it late, and then the agent thought she could take advantage of the lack of time and it backfired on her because she didn't figure on us telling her to fork off
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br14 Posted on 10/08/2018 16:44

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While I understand the fuss about agents fees, in the end it's just part of the cost of buying a player. If the player is happy that huge sums are paid to the agent rather than the player then so be it.

If the rules were different, the price of players would be higher and the players could pay the agents commission themselves.

So I'm really not sure what was the issue. With a 6 million transfer the maximum likely agent fee would be 1.2 million. So the player ends up costing 7 million rather than 6. Is that such a big deal in todays market. And even if it was 2 million, again is that really such a big deal. Everyone knew we'd generated considerable cash from selling players.

It's a lot of money, but hardly worth losing a player over. I sense some other issue.

I'd have thought the club would know Besic's agent would want cash. It's not like he doesn't have form.

If you're saying they genuinely didn't realise then pity help us.

I assume the only reason for the transfer window is to generate interest before the season. I can't see any other reason for what is essentially a fantastic way of increasing the price of players.

Would we even need FFP if we used the old system with transfers possible until March?
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Sortie Posted on 10/08/2018 16:49

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I don't see why any club pays agents fees. They represent the player so the player should pay the agent.

What happens when you buy or sell a house the person the estate agent/legal bod is representing pays their bill.

The agent wasn't representing either club.
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Leatherneck Posted on 10/08/2018 16:53

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RedSteptoe is absolutely spot on, the player should pay his own agent fees.
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The_Downing_Wave Posted on 10/08/2018 17:00

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No facts known but more negativity hinted at by the OP.

Why does it necessarily need to be a wider problem in approach? For me it shows a great stance by the club against agents.

Perhaps, just perhaps, the agent dramatically increased demands at the 11th hour?





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bblf Posted on 10/08/2018 17:04

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I don't blame the club. Sons just text me and said he was listening to the radio and the host said Besic's agent had asked for £995,000 for his fee [:O]
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wartle Posted on 10/08/2018 17:12

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It's like trying to buy a house but not knowing the solicitors fee or stamp duty.

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Hammies_Tash Posted on 10/08/2018 17:15

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Not sure who Besic's agent is, however this type scenario often crops up with agents who only look after a limited number of players.

They have two chances per season to earn their annual income, comes to the last day of the window, agent only has one deal to earn any money, see's an opportunity to massively bump his fee up as thinks at this point the buying club will just swallow it (most inevitably do).

Unfortunately by leaving it so late in the window to do business in an effort to tray and keep transfer fee's down, you leave yourself wide open to be taken advantage of, boro gambled and it didn't pay off. Now they will have to pay a loan fee, agent fee and probably higher wages to get the player and will probably be worse off.
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hopesoboro Posted on 10/08/2018 17:41

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Sounds like pure Adijecture to me!
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Nosmo-King Posted on 10/08/2018 17:44
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Does the Besic deal point to a wider problem in approach?

 
Adi is posing a question- why does this have to be viewed as a negative? Bottom line is we have not covered ourselves in any glory during this transfer window.

From the outside looking in we do seem to have been ham fisted naive and downright amateur the way weíve conducted affairs. Sometimes the insular feelings expressed on here lend weight to the school of thought some are cocooned in a Teesside bubble that bears little resemblance to the wider world workings. Thatís really the top and bottom of it.
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JLinardi Posted on 10/08/2018 18:12

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Iím not bothered that we told the agent to XXXXXX off, itís a woman btw not a bloke.

My issue with this transfer window is we Ďseemí to have tried to be clever and slap low bids in on deadline day and just got laughed off on every one of them apart from besic.

With the besic deal I have a feeling weíve tried to go over the agents head a bit and sheís got XXXXXXed off and demanded that fee to spite us.
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The_Lizards_Jumpers Posted on 10/08/2018 18:14

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"With the besic deal I have a feeling weíve tried to go over the agents head a bit and sheís got XXXXXXed off and demanded that fee to spite us."

Pure conjecture.

I've got a feeling she demanded a time travel machine as a fee, and when we pointed out that they don't exist she quoted a billion pounds as her fee just to spite us.

It's easy this lark isn't it?
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mendieta420 Posted on 10/08/2018 18:23

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We couldnt buy until the Gibson and Adama money was in, what's so difficult to understand about that?
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Paulroddam7 Posted on 10/08/2018 18:24

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Itís admirable that we wonít pay these fees but unfortunately they are part of the modern game, so all it is doing is putting ourselves at a disadvantage.

Weíve saved ourselves half a million. Brilliant.
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Wev1 Posted on 10/08/2018 18:27

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Reading this you would think agents were the nicest people in the world, charging 1-2%, sticking to deals and never moving the goal posts.
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mikeyyyy Posted on 10/08/2018 18:38

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It's in our best interests to not pay massive agent fees.

The amount of money clubs spend on agents fees is made public knowledge annually.

If an agent sees we pay through the nose for agents fees then agents will ask us to pay through the nose for their deals.

I mean, have you considered what the fee is even for?

It's to negotiate a contract for the player and they charge a fee to the club. like they were doing us a favour?

Erm no darling, we wanted your player and your player wanted us. does that really warrant 1.25mil + 25% of players first years gross salary?

No. The answer is no.
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Indeedido Posted on 10/08/2018 18:51

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I believe Mo wanted to come, Everton were happy with fee, Boro expected to pay a reasonable facilitation fee.
They are then hit with £1.5m from an agent who has just done what every party wants and took a few hours to do.

With regards to this issue, fair play to Gibson.
Maybe Besic should have his agent in a neck lock just now.
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CiscoKid Posted on 10/08/2018 18:54

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"But when you choose to leave negotiations until the last hour then this is when you get your pants pulled down."

How do you know we chose to leave it to the last minute?

Maybe we enquired earlier in the transfer window.

Maybe it was Everton's choice. They made a few last minute signings themselves, perhaps they were waiting for those deals before selling Besic.
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gizasqueezemister Posted on 10/08/2018 18:55

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If MFC have a point of principle against agents trying it on then fair play to them. Far to many fans thinking buying a player is as simple as buying a car or a trolley full of groceries. Thank XXXXXX they aren't running our club! Look no further than LUFC, NUFC, SAFC to see how not to do it ffs [V]
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JLinardi Posted on 10/08/2018 19:02

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What a bizarre reply lizards_jumpers

Are you the agent weíre talking about or something?
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American_Mary Posted on 10/08/2018 19:10

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Some deals are straightforward, some are tricky, just look at the amount of business the club has done over the years and to suddenly conclude because of one transfer, where itís pretty obvious the agent involved has tried to pull a fast one, that we donít know how to conduct transfers would indicate a greater level of naivety than anything the club has done over the Besic deal.

We couldnít discuss terms with Besic until Everton agreed the fee to sell, so the lateness of discussion was down to them but donít their seems to be an agenda by some on here to not allow facts like that distract from their need to try and knock the club.

I think if weíd paid the extra then the insinuation would be we are naive to page agents such fees when other deals have been struck without those size of payments.

The squad needs numbers and the loan market isnít ideal but the foundation to success for a club of our size is the right players at the right prices and if that sometimes means missing out on a player because the price isnít right then thatís fine by me as in the long run weíll build a team that can compete to the maximum of our financial structure.
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The_Lizards_Jumpers Posted on 10/08/2018 19:51

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"What a bizarre reply lizards_jumpers

Are you the agent weíre talking about or something?"

How is it anymore than imagining a situation based on nothing more than guesswork. Unless I'm wrong, you've got no insight into the negotiation process but feel compelled to give us your opinion on what you think happened.

Yeah I'm the agent, good guess, and great reply.
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Free_Subbuteo_171 Posted on 10/08/2018 20:15

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Iirc we had a similar issue with Muzzy Izzet.

Fee was £6m, agent asked for 20% making it £7.2m in total. Gibbo refused and said Leicester or the player pay it, neither did.

Agents are parasites and should be banned from receiving any payment from anyone other then their clients. Any transgression results in a ban for the player, the agent being stuck off and if a club is knowingly involved significant fines / bans for club officials.

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Adi_Dem Posted on 10/08/2018 20:18

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ďWe couldnít discuss terms with Besic until Everton agreed the fee to sell, so the lateness of discussion was down to them but donít their seems to be an agenda by some on here to not allow facts like that distract from their need to try and knock the club.Ē

Youíre missing the point of the OP completely here A_M. Iím posing this question: is it naive to follow the rules and not try to at least get an idea of the overall cost of the deal in advance as is standard practice? Most clubs speak to agents and players early to get at least an indication of interest and an idea of the size of the deal. Yes, the agent may have tried to pull a fast one but it feels more like we didnít sound it out early. Iím asking whether we are naive to follow the rules when precious few other clubs do.
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American_Mary Posted on 10/08/2018 20:36

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Adi, every club does the same and Iím sure most of the salient points of the Besic deal were discussed, so letís say the deal is £6m with £4m in wages and bonuses over 3 years for example, the agent normal cut is say 5% of the transfer fee from the buying club paid as a one off fee and 10% of the players wages paid over duration of the contract, suddenly at the last minute the agent increase the demand to 15% from the initial figure of around 5%, isnít it prudent to then reasses the situation rather than plough on regardless.

Liken it to buying a new house and the builder quotes a figure for extras before you buy, when the actual bill comes in the extras are 3 times higher than the quote, you have the choice to continue with the purchase or look elsewhere.

In any financial transaction their are details in the small print that get missed and can end up costing money in the long term, in the Besic case there was obviously something from the agents side that made them pull out, Iím sure it wasnít a decision taken lightly and with the best interests of the club at heart.
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WallaceFennel Posted on 10/08/2018 20:39

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You have a feeling aka you've made something up, you've literally made something up to make the club sound worse
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hopesoboro Posted on 10/08/2018 20:40

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Even more Adijecture!
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WallaceFennel Posted on 10/08/2018 20:42

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I have a feeling she made a pass at Bausor and he knocked her back, so she wanted an extra mill
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We_Shall_overcome Posted on 10/08/2018 20:48

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It certainly does adi, half a dozen deals fell through on deadline day, the club still thinks itís the 1980s
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Adi_Dem Posted on 10/08/2018 20:54

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Iíve made nothing up. Iíve posed a simple question and people are offering opinions. Itís what the board is for. Some folk need to engage their brains before responding.

I think there is a naivety in the club, particularly in recruitment. Iím pointing to this as a potential example. Iíve acknowledged that the agent might have pulled a fast one at the last minute but concluded that to be the least likely of the two possible scenarios. Others disagree. Not sure why it ought to pose a problem. Just discuss it like a reasonable person or donít respond at all.
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hopesoboro Posted on 10/08/2018 20:57

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Sorry Sir!
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American_Mary Posted on 10/08/2018 20:57

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I wouldnít say that we are the level we were in the 80ís but weíre certainly not able to compete in the market as we did under Robson and McClaren, the millionaires canít compete with the billionaires without having structures and foundations to build from in place.
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Adi_Dem Posted on 10/08/2018 21:01

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Hopesoboro: just to be clear it wasnít in response to you. I donít ever respond to you. This is an exception. For future reference anything I say on this thread or any other is not in response, in any way, to you.
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American_Mary Posted on 10/08/2018 21:04

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Adi, did you see what Marco Silva said about the deal, I think in this situation the weight of evidence points more towards a moving of the goalposts by the agent rather than the club not being aware of the package, what benefit is it to the club to waste time in negotiations if this fee is not a late addition ? Look at the players that have been signed by the club and this case looks exceptional rather than the norm.
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Adi_Dem Posted on 10/08/2018 21:05

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I didnít to be honest A_M - what did he say?
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parmoboy Posted on 10/08/2018 21:09
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I think the fact we left it so late to finalise the deal probably worked against us, and think it's probably a big reason why the agent decided to try and take liberties at the last minute.

We probably had an idea beforehand what she was likely to demand, but because the agent probably felt we were desperate to get the deal done, she probably decided to up her demands, feeling we'd be in no position to turn it down with the window about to close. I guess she must have got a bit of a surprise.
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Barnsy Posted on 10/08/2018 21:10

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Maybe the club were too busy 'papering over the cracks' to pay sufficient attention to how things were transpiring with the deal.
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American_Mary Posted on 10/08/2018 21:12

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Parmoboy, I donít disagree but the lateness was due to Everton not accepting our bid until Thursday, we couldnít go into formal and detailed discussion to that point.

Adi, Iíve attached the link in the Gazette.

Link: Marco Silva on Besic
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parmoboy Posted on 10/08/2018 21:15

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Ah, fair enough A_M.
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Adi_Dem Posted on 10/08/2018 21:18

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Iím not sure that add much more than we already knew does it?
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billybob Posted on 10/08/2018 21:22

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They may not have accepted our bid until Thursday but is this because we only made it on the Wednesday?

For a player who spent the latter half of last season at our club; who we will no doubt have had conversations with about joining us on a permanent basis; for the deal to fall through in the final hour of the transfer window is a disgrace.

I mean why on earth did we leave it so late? It just beggars belief.
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hamstercheeks Posted on 10/08/2018 21:31

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Adi - I said the same on multiple threads yesterday. It's naive in the extreme, listen to any agent, manager or journalist and they'll tell you the terms are usually discussed between agent and club well before a fee is even agreed between the clubs.

It wasn't the only thing we got wrong in the window, were Millwall seriously gonna sell us their best two players a couple of hours before the deadline shut?

When we had 8/9 deals fall through on deadline day (Pulis's words) then the people negotiating are not doing their jobs properly.

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hamstercheeks Posted on 10/08/2018 21:31
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billybob Posted on 10/08/2018 21:34

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I'm not convinced we were that serious with many of these deals. I think we were just dipping our toes in the water. Wouldn't be the first transfer window where late deals have apparently fallen through to leave us empty handed whilst our best players have been sold off.
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hamstercheeks Posted on 10/08/2018 21:38

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That's the other explanation billy, did we really make a serious effort to sign the players?

Maybe loans suited us better.
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American_Mary Posted on 10/08/2018 21:41

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Iím pretty sure that these things will have been discussed but when as it appears to have been with the Besic deal the agents fees were far higher than expected then the club has made a commercial decision to pull out, the elephant in the room is that all this Besic talk hides that we werenít close to completing a deal for Traoreís replacement which I personally would have prioritise over Besic
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parmoboy Posted on 10/08/2018 21:46

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I agree with that A_M. I like Besic but bringing in a winger should have been a priority. I'm still hopeful we can bring someone in on loan, but am I right in saying that we're only allowed to sign one more on loan who is over 23? I may have got that wrong though. If it is true and we sign Besic, we'll be limited with regards to who we can bring in.
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American_Mary Posted on 10/08/2018 21:50

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8 loans in total 5 in any match day squad and two from any one club I believe Iím not sure on age restrictions though.
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Adi_Dem Posted on 10/08/2018 22:36

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I think as a strategy this season using the loan market isnít a bad one at all. No long term commitment given that the parachute payments will run it and a good go at promotion. Get Bolasie, Besic in on loan and Iíd actually be pretty satisfied. Weíd be in a much better position than we are right now.
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T_A_D Posted on 10/08/2018 22:50

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Indeedido: "I believe Mo wanted to come, Everton were happy with fee, Boro expected to pay a reasonable facilitation fee.
They are then hit with £1.5m from an agent who has just done what every party wants and took a few hours to do.

With regards to this issue, fair play to Gibson.
Maybe Besic should have his agent in a neck lock just now."

Spot on.

For all the people saying that we are amateurs for playing by the rules and not agreeing likely agents fees ahead of the closure of the deal...Ö has it occurred to you that club may have actually done that and the agent 'moved the goalposts' very late in the day? Given Everton have said all was agreed between the clubs this is very much the most likely scenario.

As ever, American_Mary posts much sensible stuff.



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whatdoyoubench Posted on 10/08/2018 22:53

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Transfer fee was 5 million and the agent wanted

1.8

Million!
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Adi_Dem Posted on 10/08/2018 22:53

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Well yes, that precise thing has been discussed in this thread. Sensibly and reasonably!
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American_Mary Posted on 10/08/2018 23:04

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Iím not averse to using the loan market and itís become part and parcel of football in the Championship, but itís always good to have your own players with an eye to development and given our current position re-sale and reinvestment to improve the overall quality of the squad.

Bolasie for example would be a player whoíd be a great loan signing given his injury but a high risk permanent signing given his price tag, age and the uncertainty of the extent of his recovery.
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hewielewie Posted on 11/08/2018 08:24

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I don't agree that we are naive. We have made hundreds of transfers over the years which have gone through successfully. All of these would have included agents fees. What makes anyone think the negotiations for this transfer were any different?
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American_Mary Posted on 11/08/2018 08:28

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We successfully dealt with the same agent and player last January which would again indicate there was something unexpected or untoward regarding the negotiations earlier this week
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Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 11/08/2018 09:49

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Itís impossible to know.

For all we know it was clear from the beginning and we tried to haggle the agents fee down as the clock was ticking.

Or alternatively the agent stuck the fee in late in the negotiations knowing weíd be stuck between paying or cancelling the deal.

Without been privy to the negotiations we just donít know.

Itís easy for people to say pay the agent a massive fee when it isnít their money.
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joseph99 Posted on 11/08/2018 10:15

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We all know Gibson's view on agents and he's spot on but unfortunately they need to be managed as well as the player during these negotiations. If you knew your client you would know every forensic detail of his demands including agent fee. It sounds unprofessional that there was a surprise at the 11th hour which no doubt Bausor will put at the door of the agent.

Brinkmanship is a key part of negotiation and it works both ways. I am guessing but I assume Besic has a Balkan agent where commercial people notoriously aggressive and bent.

This greed is ruining football.
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CrazyL Posted on 11/08/2018 10:43

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With regard to the original question I would be surprised to find that MFC were any more or less involved in Ďthe dark artsí when it comes to player recruitment as any other club. It might be that we take a harder line with agents suddenly changing the goalposts than others but thatís ok by me. However I donít believe for a second that we are naive in the transfer market. We lost out on Besic for now, but we got in McNair and Flint without too much bother and Hugill earlier in the week. Naturally we are focused upon the deal gone wrong for us, but if you look around the media you will see that all clubs have targets in mind and are unable to complete the deal. Grealish to Spurs and Bryan to Villa are two high profile ones just this week.
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mengle Posted on 11/08/2018 11:02

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Grealish was a funny one. I honestly thought he would go... the player expressing his desire to play for Spurs. It may show Villa being resilient in keeping its best players , but may come back to bite them on the asre.

Itíll be interesting to see how he performs in the forthcoming matches
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UTB15 Posted on 11/08/2018 11:43

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What a load of cr&p!

ďWe lack nousĒ [:o)]

Weíre boro not Man City we had a good season and bigger teams signed our better players I think we showed ďnousĒ by displaying integrity not buckling to an agent and sticking to our principles, cos there isnít many of them in football anymore.

Hopefully besic will come on loan again which will be better for us anyway, wonít it?
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redwurzel Posted on 11/08/2018 11:57

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Do fans want to pay another £60 on their season ticket/£3 on their match ticket to pay Besic's agent - personally I think £1.5m is too high in agents fees by a considerable margin and I be surprised if 90% of Boro's fans think the same. In effect it puts Besic's fee up to £7.5m
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