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bear66 Posted on 12/07/2018 13:15
White Paper - Immigration
 
 
* skilled workers and students
* the government is prepared to allow EU citizens to travel freely without a visa in the UK for tourism and temporary work and allow EU students to study in the UK
* the notional cap on net migration at 100,000 a year will remain after the UK departs

Is fruit picking, bar and tourist work temporary? I guess they won't have to include them in the "notional cap"

Link: Link
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Muttley Posted on 12/07/2018 13:17

White Paper - Immigration

 
Mmmmm fudge.
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Octo_Burger Posted on 12/07/2018 13:39

White Paper - Immigration

 
We can do all this now!
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Borocelt Posted on 12/07/2018 13:52

White Paper - Immigration

 
Without a definition of what 'skilled workers' means, it's essentially nonsense.

I'd argue most people have some form of skill, whether it is making a decent cup of coffee, or being a decent labourer... some of the industries which are particularly reliant on migrant workers.

The emotive issue is controlling people coming here without the means to support themselves. It's something I have no issue with controlled, but it needs absolutely highlighting that this can be done anyway, the current government simply chooses not to.

We can do all of this and stay in the EFTA, which is what we should be doing, for the sake of the economy and jobs, not some emotive, ideological crap, driven by the rich.
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br14 Posted on 12/07/2018 14:08
Edited On: 12/07/2018 14:10
White Paper - Immigration

 
"Without a definition of what 'skilled workers' means, it's essentially nonsense."

You've obviously never worked for the government Borocelt.

The government has a definition for everything.

Though not explicitly stated in the opening post, it appears anyone from the EU other than someone visiting as a tourist, a student (probably on a recognised full time course) and someone visiting as a fruit picker, will need a visa to work.

I assume this is pretty well exactly the same as for non-EU citizens, with perhaps a few concessions thrown in.

This is completely different to what happens now.

Any EU passport holder can move to the UK without hinderance, stay as long as they like, register for work, and receive benefits. After 3 months they can even receive Jobseekers Allowance. And wasn't there some fuss about EU workers receiving Child Benefit for their kids back in their country of origin?
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GibbosArmy Posted on 12/07/2018 14:10

White Paper - Immigration

 
"We can do all this now"

No we cannot
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jayjayb Posted on 12/07/2018 14:11

White Paper - Immigration

 
Excellent news. I like the skilled workers idea and hope it is along the lines of the Australian one. I would also hope that they would have to have a job offer before arriving.

We might see some help being given to the people living here now instead using it all for new arrivals.
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jam69 Posted on 12/07/2018 14:19

White Paper - Immigration

 
your getting keen on these political threads jay [^] with all that's gone on over the last few years I wonder what held you back ?
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Borocelt Posted on 12/07/2018 14:46

White Paper - Immigration

 
You've obviously not read the paper, wise XXXXXX, because if you had, you would know it isn't in there [^]
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br14 Posted on 12/07/2018 14:50

White Paper - Immigration

 
Sorry it was meant as a joke.

The UK already allows workers from non-EU countries so all this stuff is already predefined.

So its not in the white paper because it's already defined elsewhere. Here you go.



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Borocelt Posted on 12/07/2018 14:56

White Paper - Immigration

 
So, you haven't read the paper then, have you?
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atypical_boro Posted on 12/07/2018 14:58

White Paper - Immigration

 
"the government is prepared to allow EU citizens to travel freely without a visa in the UK for tourism and temporary work"

So basically Polish labourers and what not will all still be here.
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Muttley Posted on 12/07/2018 15:03

White Paper - Immigration

 
And then the Brexiteers looked at the new deal and saw that it was indistinguishable from the old deal...

...far from "taking back control" are we not simply relinquishing influence? They asked...
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Borocelt Posted on 12/07/2018 15:07

White Paper - Immigration

 
We'll not only be surrendering influence, we'll also be increasing bureaucracy. The entire paper is worded, pandering to the far right loonie brigade, but the detail is pretty damning.

It's far worse than being in the EFTA, staying in the customs union & single market and imposing some of the restrictions available under those rules, but the far right foam at the mouth at the very mention of 'freedom of movement', so they're fudging it to try and pander to them.

No visas required for temp workers, students, travel (presumably you could just move and get a job later)... it's all just increased bureaucracy, but achieves very little, and also undermines the mobility of UK citizens in the EU27.
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atypical_boro Posted on 12/07/2018 15:10
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White Paper - Immigration

 
The way it reads, you can still come to the UK as a tourist without a visa, so you can just come and then start looking for temporary contracts.

Basically how it is now on that front. Then if someone likes you enough to employ you permanently they'll be able to sponsor you for a visa etc, which is new, but will probably have very little impact on immigration given that they're mostly willing to work for less and companies like that.
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