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Doppelganger Posted on 12/07/2018 12:49
Souness Blasts England
 
 
According to The Scottish Sun

Link: Full Article
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Funky_Chicken Posted on 12/07/2018 12:52
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Cant argue with any of that, he’s spot on really



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cincinnati_reds Posted on 12/07/2018 12:54
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Souness Blasts England

 
Can't really disagree with most of what he says. There's some good points in there, despite how well we did.

This part is XXXXXX though "Then they play a team in Sweden who were in awe of England"

Look at the teams they faced in qualifying. I doubt they were in awe of us. We put in a genuinely good performance and had more quality, that's all.
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1finny Posted on 12/07/2018 12:56

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Oh hec
That will upset a few
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jayjayb Posted on 12/07/2018 12:58

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I won't bother reading it. I know it will be the usual bitter, chip on the should jock jealousy.

Funny how envious they are of us and how angry they get about it though.
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boroskel65 Posted on 12/07/2018 13:03

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The argument has been going all World Cup by other midfield legends like Johnny Giles and Liam Brady that when England play a top class side then the one man midfield of Jordan Henderson will be exposed.

Gareth almost worked a miracle if Kane scores the second goal and we hang on. But the French would have ruthlessly killed the dream in the final.
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Bobby_Braithwaite Posted on 12/07/2018 13:03

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What has he done in management apart win the Sunday League etc north of the border and helped with the fall from being a top team at Liverpool.
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coluka Posted on 12/07/2018 13:07

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Souness is right. However, it does not detract from how excellent Southgate and his squad have done to get so far in the competition.
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atypical_boro Posted on 12/07/2018 13:10

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He doesn't come across as smug about England losing. He's given what is probably a fairly objective view in all honesty, away from all the celebrity endorsed 'its coming home' razzmatazz.

We did quite well, but lets not get carried away with it all. We still really struggle in knock-out matches at big tournaments against decent sides.
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jayjayb Posted on 12/07/2018 13:13

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Colombia decent side, Sweden decent side, Croatia decent side. Won one drew one and won on pens then lost one.

How do we really struggle?
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glover_elbow Posted on 12/07/2018 13:13

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He's spot on with his assessment of ali and lingard they were contributed nothing. You can't expect to win if you keep giving the ball away.
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atypical_boro Posted on 12/07/2018 13:14

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Well we struggled through against Colombia.

Sweden aren't really that decent a side. It was their first world cup in 12 years.

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Muttley Posted on 12/07/2018 13:16

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"We still really struggle in knock-out matches at big tournaments against decent sides."

Of course we do, just as Croatia struggled to beat us. That's rather the point we are probably one of the top ten sides in the world? We're not THE best side in the world and it is doubtful that there is an easily identifiable BEST side in the world at the moment.

His assessment is fairly objective apart from his dismissal of our victory over a decent Colombia which doesn't fit his narrative.
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JonJon Posted on 12/07/2018 13:20

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I agree with him. England have taken some steps in the right direction, mainly in the areas of team spirit and mentality, but they've got a long way to go before they'll be able to mix it with the big boys.
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jayjayb Posted on 12/07/2018 13:22

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Are you expecting us to breeze through all the knockout games without a struggle atypical? Not going to happen.
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parmoboy Posted on 12/07/2018 13:24

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I agree with him regarding Alli and Lingard. They're both more effective playing higher up the field, but have been asked to play much deeper and they've both struggled. We needed a midfielder in there who was going to look to put his foot on the ball, dare I say it, a Jack Wilshere or a Shelvey.
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Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 12/07/2018 13:27

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He’s spot on.
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atypical_boro Posted on 12/07/2018 13:27

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Muttley, the point being that since 1966, we've beaten Sweden, Colombia, Paraguay, Ecuador, Denmark, Belgium (when they were bang average) and Cameroon.

ie no one of any note on the global stage, Belgium aside, those countries only qualify every so often.

We've lost to Argentina twice, Portugal twice, Germany three times, Brazil twice, Italy, Iceland and now Croatia. You could argue the standard of opposition we lose to in knock-outs has actually regressed too.
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jayjayb Posted on 12/07/2018 13:28
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I was definitely right not to read it of pog agrees with the article. It'll definitely be a load of codswallop then!
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otto42 Posted on 12/07/2018 13:30

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I said before the game that we needed to strengthen the midfield by bringing in Dier for one of the attacking midfielder, but didn't expect Southgate to do it.

As the second half developed this became more apparent, perhaps this was Southgate's only mistake of the tournament. It's not showing a lack of belief to plan tactically to nullify your opponents
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Muttley Posted on 12/07/2018 13:32

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Argentina, Portugal, Germany, and Brazil all went home before us and Italy didn't make it to the tournament. That was then this is now.

I would argue that the standard has leveled out there were only two rank no-hopers (Panama and Saudi) at this WC. In previous tournaments there has been one in every group.
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jayjayb Posted on 12/07/2018 13:33

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Holland not there either.
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atypical_boro Posted on 12/07/2018 13:36

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Muttley, fine. The fact remains though that we have not beaten a footballing nation of any note in a World Cup knock-out match since 1966.
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go_nads Posted on 12/07/2018 13:38

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Those are genuine observations, what is missing is balance. This is a team that have been put together over the past year or so following the defeat to Iceland, failed appointment of Alladyce and then time for gareth to evluate what was left of the 2016 Euro team.


The team has been transformed, the way we play has been transformed and it is a work in progress. Players will emerge ready for the next tournament.

He is right to identify Delle Ali as a weak link, he needs to show more but that may be a result of injury, we will be able to establish that over the next year or so. If he doesn't want to play the role he has been given I am sure Southgate will drop him.

We are two or three players away from being a really, really competitive side at the top level. Hopefully they will emerge.

We have no right at all to win the World Cup, we got to the last four and if we continue to be or near to this level, it will be a drastic improvement to the majority of England sides that have represented this country to date.

Semi final defeat in extra time at a World cup with a young, inexperienced side, I'lkl take that all day long, I am sure Scotland would [smi].
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ExFootyLegs Posted on 12/07/2018 13:39
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GS is actually spot on there. Nailed it.

Has Kanes goal gone in then it wouldve been different but alas, it didnt - we got a Turkish ref after Putin stepped in and exaplined the importance of sending England home
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Muttley Posted on 12/07/2018 13:39

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I think that the notion of a "footballing nation" is out dated as the game becomes more global we will see nation's influence come and go. We may live to see an African nation lift the WC or even the USA...

Times change.
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glover_elbow Posted on 12/07/2018 13:41

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I honestly don't rate ali at all. I would expect the next generation to take his place by the next tourmament.
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atypical_boro Posted on 12/07/2018 13:46
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Ok Muttley, we haven't beaten a 'football team' of any note globally, in a WC knock-out, since 1966.

BTW - people have been saying that about Africa and USA since at least the 80s.
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jayjayb Posted on 12/07/2018 13:49
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Colombia, Sweden, Denmark and Belgium are four that instantly spring to mind who we have knocked out. I am sure there will be more.
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atypical_boro Posted on 12/07/2018 13:51

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Jay - you missed Paraguay, Ecuador and Cameroon.
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jayjayb Posted on 12/07/2018 13:56

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I wouldn't class them in the same bracket as the four named above all of whom are solid, established international teams.
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MiniShotton Posted on 12/07/2018 16:29

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Colombia had their best player missing. And Sweden haven't had a main man since Zlatan retired.

Both were bang average against England however much you want to hype them up.
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Harbottle Posted on 12/07/2018 16:33

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There are countries that have won the tournament before that have struggled through the other games.
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deafschool Posted on 12/07/2018 20:40
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I think the whole reason for our success in the WC is BECAUSE we played basic football. We've spent years trying to emulate the ball playing sides and fallen short. Very few British players have the technique and confidence to accept the ball when an opposition player is close and keep hold of the ball and wait for right pass to emerge. Our ultra headless chicken method worked well for half an hour until we ran out of steam.
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Anton_Berg Posted on 12/07/2018 21:21

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'we got a Turkish ref after Putin stepped in'

Calling in a favour for the Soviet linesman in 66?

Does Souness 'blast' England or just make observations about their shortcomings? He doesn't say who was left out of the side who could have made a difference.
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redlips Posted on 12/07/2018 21:47

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Souness nailed it.

Souness has won cups in England x2, turkey, and rangers.
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Arriba Posted on 12/07/2018 21:58

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"Sweden aren't really that decent a side. It was their first world cup in 12 years."

Being their first World Cup since 2006 is utterly irrelevant. This Sweden are decent side.
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SophieMfc Posted on 12/07/2018 22:12

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We will never get an opportunity like that again the likes of Brazil, Spain, Germany and Argentina were knocked out before us and in the semi final we just did not have enough quality. Souness is spot on.
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AndyD13 Posted on 12/07/2018 23:07

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"and it is doubtful that there is an easily identifiable BEST side in the world at the moment."

I think they are very identifiable and will be crowned on Sunday. Brilliant keeper, best defence in the world, superb midfielders and the world's most exciting young forward.

Imagine if Coman hadn't had such an injury ravaged season too.
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expat_smoggie Posted on 13/07/2018 00:36

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Personally I don’t give a damn what Souness thinks and neither should anyone else. We took advantage of a flawed 32 knockout.system — and into the bargain we’ll probably be seeded for the next World Cup so who’s the fool? Gareth or Souey? We brought some fun back into our team spirit and dare I say XXXXXXed a lot of people off just because we got to the semis!!
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big-eggo Posted on 13/07/2018 00:45

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Valid points raised by Souey.

Our midfield is lightweight and has been proved ineffective against a decent side from a country the size of his beloved Scotland.

Most english football pundits and fans will have fingers in ears giving it lah-lah I am not listening. Too many in twitter love with this band of players.

We are a long way short of the finished article. A young side with many weaknesses. So many talking about bringing even younger players in to replace the weakest links. This side might never mature.
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cochranesshinpads Posted on 13/07/2018 00:56

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World champions @u17 20 level euro champs 20 level finalists @ Toulon semi finalists @ senior level yeh were shyte Souness is right 👍🏻
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jayjayb Posted on 13/07/2018 08:26

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The pair of them won their respective groups MiniShotton. Too many football fans have a closed mind when it comes to who the perceived big/best/established teams are. Why not base your opinion on merit rather than the number of star players they have or their history? Surely that is a more accurate barometer of that sides ability in the present moment? Do you not agree with that?
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jiffy Posted on 13/07/2018 13:56

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I wouldnt disagree with anything he said in that article.

But its easy to say after the event so he loses all respect from me. Had he said before the event that Croatia will win and this is why then I would have respected him. Saying what was supposedly inevitable after the event is just spouting sh*te - saying it before is credible.

He may as well say the Spanish Armada had no chance because they didnt bother to check the weather forecast.
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Nero Posted on 13/07/2018 22:01

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He has a good point. I said before the tournament play Alli and Lingard together against a good team and we'd struggle.

We need to find a proper midfielder otherwise we'll continue to struggle against the best.
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erimus74 Posted on 13/07/2018 23:39

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I thought the same from the game v Croatia, who when pinned back England launched the ball forward to our fast players, we dominated the game for about 20/25 minutes then Croatia took over & we were chasing shadows, we were just 2nd best at the end of the day
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EpiphanyProudfoot Posted on 14/07/2018 07:16

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Souey is 100% correct
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