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ExFootyLegs Posted on 12/07/2018 08:16
Ref was Very Poor
 
 
Croatia played him like a tune....a number of fouls werent given for us ; clear fouls in good areas and a number of fouls were given for Croatia in the 2nd half which were NEVER fouls and had he waved play on we were in dangerous positions.
I know there wasnt any major decisions he missed but a consistent number of minor ones does add up.

I give the ref : 2/10

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superstu Posted on 12/07/2018 08:18

Ref was Very Poor

 
Another match where refs seem very reluctant to use their cards. Was surprised Rebic only got a yellow for jumping in studs up, with no hope of getting the ball. Could have been nasty that one.
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Wanderingstar Posted on 12/07/2018 08:20

Ref was Very Poor

 
Agree with that, appeared as though he had found a big brown envelope in his room at half time. Clutching at straws but anywhere else on the pitch and the equaliser is a foul for dangerous play
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1finny Posted on 12/07/2018 08:21

Ref was Very Poor

 
Unbelievable Jeff
He wasn’t great/bad - for both teams
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Muttley Posted on 12/07/2018 08:24

Ref was Very Poor

 
I don't think he made a difference to the result though he was too lenient with Croatian fouls in the first half. I thought he missed things for both sides and got things wrong.

Just poor not biased.
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Alvez_48 Posted on 12/07/2018 08:25

Ref was Very Poor

 
Poor not biased sums it up muttley.
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ExFootyLegs Posted on 12/07/2018 08:37

Ref was Very Poor

 
Not good enough for a semi final....way not good enough but I bet FIFA didnt think that.
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Adi_Dem Posted on 12/07/2018 08:39

Ref was Very Poor

 
I thought he was dreadful. Really, really poor. The linesman too, missing the ball clearly crossing the line first for a corner and then for a throw in. Just very poor.

I actually thought there was a case for dangerous play on their equaliser. Foot was very high.
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fungus Posted on 12/07/2018 08:46

Ref was Very Poor

 
If we are talking dangerous play I thought Pickford's tackle was worse.
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1finny Posted on 12/07/2018 08:52

Ref was Very Poor

 
Agree
Thought that could easily have been a pen to them
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Alan_Breck Posted on 12/07/2018 08:59
Edited On: 12/07/2018 08:59
Ref was Very Poor

 
The ref should have booked Lovren early in the first half when he took out Kane in an assault. There were other instances too when he fouled Sterling a number of times which were totally ignored by the ref.

Having said that Lovren's defending, along with the tremendous midfield of Modric and Rakitic, were the keys to Croatia's win. We don't have anything like that trio in the England team. We were outplayed.

#UTB
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hard_ Posted on 12/07/2018 08:59

Ref was Very Poor

 
I did find it strange that nobody on ITV mentioned Pickford's tackle.
If that was in one of our players they'd have been calling for a red card.

Then to stand over him screaming and swearing was poor form.

I agree that the ref had a poor game though, except it wasn't all in favour of Croatia.
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Greenandblack Posted on 12/07/2018 09:10
Edited On: 12/07/2018 09:25
Ref was Very Poor

 
I don't know if the ref was good or bad, but I know from long experience on here that the ref is always one of the first to be blamed after a defeat. Refs always get some decisions wrong, but usually you can't tell until you've seen it replayed several times on tv.

For what it's worth, I thought Alli dived to win the free kick from which England scored. Modric may have touched Alli but it wasn't enough to knock him over. Pickford's tackle may have been a penalty but I didn't think so at the time.

All in all, I think the ref was ok.

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DCI_Gene_Hunt Posted on 12/07/2018 09:19

Ref was Very Poor

 
"I actually thought there was a case for dangerous play on their equaliser. Foot was very high."

If Kane had scored that in an identical fashion not one person would have been saying it should have been disallowed.

Ref wasn't poor just people looking for excuses.
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newusername Posted on 12/07/2018 09:35

Ref was Very Poor

 
Kane's chance in the first half, why was he given offside on edge of the 6 yard box?

Arguable in line/offside when he received the pass from Sterling but he was ~level with the spot, he then has a shot which is saved, the ball comes back to him on the goal line, another shot another save & ball bounces over the line for a corner.

Lino raises flag & gives offside. Game restarts with the keeper taking a fk from a yard outside the 6 yard box.

Was that a VAR decision?
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hard_ Posted on 12/07/2018 09:40

Ref was Very Poor

 
He didn't flag for offside.
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newusername Posted on 12/07/2018 10:09

Ref was Very Poor

 
He did.

Ball bounced over the line for a corner.

That is when he raises his flag straight up to indicate an offside, & then lowers it to say the centre of the pitch.

Keeper restarts with kick just outside 6 yard box.

Is in-line now offside again & the kick was just taken from the wrong spot?

Link: About 29 minutes into the game
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FatalEmission Posted on 12/07/2018 10:11

Ref was Very Poor

 
Thought he was ok myself.

Nothing special but got nothing really badly wrong either. I've seen a hell of a lot worse!

Linesmen missed a couple but that's not the refs fault.
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red_harrington Posted on 12/07/2018 10:43

Ref was Very Poor

 
Cannot believe Lovren escaped that game without so much as a yellow
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go_nads Posted on 12/07/2018 10:54

Ref was Very Poor

 
Thought he was very, very lenient towards Croatia with the yellow cars, they could have had four or five in the first half and I thought in a PL game, Lovren would have been in the stands.

He let some very robust tackles go from Croatia and penalised us for some very soft ones. Also thought he was poor when having the opportunity to play advantage for England.

Then he allowed Croatia to spoil the second half of extra time with delaying tactics. But that I suppose is very hard to deal with and England didn't manage the situation well enough.

Think whilst the major decisions in this World Cup have been correct, the lack of cards has been strange, whilst play acting and diving has been prevalent.

England only have themselves to blame for not winning that match, but saying that you cannot be too critical. They performed far better than was expected and the future certainly looks bright. Hopefully a couple of more gems can be found ready for the euro's/next world cup and the current squad develop and grow as a team.

We have a lot to look forward to and hopefully this is the start of a successful spell in English football, the Germans would kick on from here, the Spanish also did. I hope we can.


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bear66 Posted on 12/07/2018 10:57

Ref was Very Poor

 
"He didn't flag for offside."

I think he thought Kane was initially offside but didn't flag to allow VAR to check after Kane put the ball in the net. (VAR would probably have given the goal.) When that didn't happen, he flagged for the offside he believed had happened.
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BobUpndown Posted on 12/07/2018 11:01

Ref was Very Poor

 
he flagged because the ball span out of play.. after Kane shot..not for offside..

ref was fine.. didn't need to book many as he was in control of it..
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bear66 Posted on 12/07/2018 11:08

Ref was Very Poor

 
It would have been a corner if that was the case. As mentioned above, the free kick was taken 3m outside the 6yd box so it must have been for offside.
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Derek_Duvall Posted on 12/07/2018 11:22

Ref was Very Poor

 
Ah, so it was the ref's fault. Got it.
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expat_smoggie Posted on 12/07/2018 11:26

Ref was Very Poor

 
American TV — which I feel was quite neutral also said the same things regarding Lovren and the Kane attempt. Personally we all know that the Croats have a way to play — they repeatedly went after Stirling and Kane so they were battered come the second half. As for the Ref — if he had played to the letter of the law Lovren would have been off for his third foul (studs up and dangerous play) their goal was also one of those which could have been flagged for dangerous play. If Pickford saves it I’m sure the ref blows for a foul but he let go when it goes in the net.
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jiffy Posted on 12/07/2018 11:28

Ref was Very Poor

 
I am 100% certain that the late lino flagging throughout the tournament has been down to VAR instruction in his ear that there had been an offside so egt his flag up. None of this commentator speculation that he waits to see what happens nonsense. That is what happens with most decisions not these really really late ones.

So had Kane scored it would have been ruled out as VAR had already decided offside.

Needless to say the commentary totally misinterpreted the situation and assumed play resumed with a goalkick yet of course had it not been given offside it would have been a corner.
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ExFootyLegs Posted on 12/07/2018 11:31
Edited On: 12/07/2018 11:33
Ref was Very Poor

 
expat ; anywhere else on the pitch where kyle walker goes for that ball to head it and a player wins the ball with his foot the ref blows for a foul ; 100% certain. Therefore ; its a foul and the ref had a stinker.

Also, just watched it again and Kyle walker showed his complete inexperience at not going down and holding his head...that wouldve put pressure on the ref to at least seek VAR help. I'm sure there was some contact between them meaning he wouldve had to give a foul.
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bear66 Posted on 12/07/2018 11:33

Ref was Very Poor

 
They have been told to keep the flag down.

VAR can not rule out a goal. They can point the referee to re-look at the decision. In this case, he wasn't offside.

Play didn't start with a goal kick (I've just looked at it again - the ball is well outside the 6 yd box for the free kick).

Link: Link
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go_nads Posted on 12/07/2018 11:41

Ref was Very Poor

 
Play was allowed to go on, if Kane had scored or squared it and Stirling had scored, surely VAR would be used to show that Kane wasn't offside?


I thought linesmen had been told to keep their flags down on tight calls, then if a goal is scored, VAR would be used to see if the goal was offside or not.

As a side issue, this really shouldn't be an issue, I though the directive was that in a tight call, the benefit of the doubt goes to the attacking team, although of course it never is..you only look at managers moaning if a goal is scored from a marginal offside decision, yet the numerous wrongly called offsides are rarely mentioned. It's a part of the game that needs to be developed.
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coluka Posted on 12/07/2018 11:45

Ref was Very Poor

 
The linesman flagged for a goal kick in my opinion. I agree with bear that it should have been a corner, I just think the officials missed the ball spinning out off the croat.

I said after a few group games refs were seemingly told not to send players off and to keep the game flowing as much as possible. The ref was poor, but poor for both teams.

England lost because we were beaten by the better team on the day. The Croats changed tactics second half and we were swamped and simply could not cope in midfield with their strength. The players will be stronger for the experience.
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bear66 Posted on 12/07/2018 11:47

Ref was Very Poor

 
The kick was taken well outside the 6yd box so must have been for offside - see 30.06 in gametime.
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ExFootyLegs Posted on 12/07/2018 11:50

Ref was Very Poor

 
coluka - I agree ; you must agree though that the 1st croatian goal wouldve been given as a foul anywhere else on the pitch ?
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DCI_Gene_Hunt Posted on 12/07/2018 11:59

Ref was Very Poor

 
"coluka - I agree ; you must agree though that the 1st croatian goal wouldve been given as a foul anywhere else on the pitch ?"

As would Pickford's tackle/save.

Ref was nowhere near as bad as people make out. Better than most in this tournament.

Better team won, get over it.
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coluka Posted on 12/07/2018 12:02

Ref was Very Poor

 
It is a difficult one that and one that sits uneasy with me and should with many Boro fans. I cast my mind back to the disallowed Adomah goal at Leed a few year back.

That ref disallowed the goal and us Boro fans were in uproar over it, now we have the same issue but sadly in reverse. Do we have double standards, referees too?

Personally I genuinely think FIFA have instructed referees to be lenient towards goal scoring opportunities and the VAR officials did not think it was an obvious error. I think Walker was slow reacting and should have cleared it. But it is a difficult pill to swallow I agree, especially when compared to the Adomah decision.
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go_nads Posted on 12/07/2018 12:09
Edited On: 12/07/2018 12:16
Ref was Very Poor

 
Don't get anyone saying Pickfords was a penalty, he saved the ball, if he had missed it fair enough.

Two committed players going in, no problem with that at all.

tackles from behind were doing my head in, think I counted three and two late tackles that would normally be a yellow. As said I think the refs were told to be lenient on this. I wonder if the teams had been informed...if they had, I suspect Gareth would have taken no notice wanting to play the game the right way. He will have to develop that cynical attitude if he wants to win at the top level because when you play a side with similar ability, managing a game and adopting the tactics other's use successfully is not an option, it's a necessity. We don't have to roll about like Neymar, but we can help the ref with making the "right" decision.
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Cleveleyssmoggie Posted on 12/07/2018 12:12

Ref was Very Poor

 
Swings and roundabouts. He could have, should have given the penalty against Maguire.
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BarnesBoroFC Posted on 12/07/2018 12:20

Ref was Very Poor

 
I think the ref just had instructions to keep the best players available for FIFAs show piece final.

There were many times he was clearly telling the Croatians to calm down, for situations that warranted a yellow card.
It started to become obvious when there was challenge on Ali late on. The Croatian player raked down his calf, but he didn't even give a free kick.

I was watching in Japan and they kept going on about fouls that weren't given as well.

But as someone pointed out the Pickford challenge was a bit tasty, too.

On balance the better team won.

But it's typical, England have been penalised for playing rough for the last 20 years. But refs seem to think it is fair game to rough up England players.
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skiprat Posted on 12/07/2018 12:22

Ref was Very Poor

 
"I don't think he made a difference to the result"

While the ref certainly didn't cost us the result, he definitely made a difference.

Lovren's entire second half would have had to be more cautious if he was rightly booked for fouling Kane for example.
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Small_town Posted on 12/07/2018 12:25

Ref was Very Poor

 
The ref wasn't the greatest but he wasn't the worst either. Last straw clutch I suppose the blaming of the referee. Thing is he gave many decisions England'[s way in the first half. Seemed to favour the team on top. I'm fine with that, no problems with the ref.
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go_nads Posted on 12/07/2018 12:25

Ref was Very Poor

 
Did the better team win though or just the team that ended the game stronger?

Kane didn't play to his potential for example but could that have been a result of at least two very heavy tackles on him in which he was clearly winded?

Croatia were allowed to get away with it throughout the match yet I don't recall any heavy tackles on the Croat's save the Pickford one which was a fair 50/50 in my view.

I have no problems with Croatia going through, fair play to them, but I do think we need to learn from this match and hopefully the players and manager have.
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Small_town Posted on 12/07/2018 12:34

Ref was Very Poor

 
Hopefully more robust challenges are going to start to creep onto the game again. My help undermine the terrible diving culture in football.

We lost to an extremely talented side who have shown this world cup they never quit. I'm still proud of what we achieved, I never expected it to be our 2nd most successful world cup campaign ever, which is what it is.
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Cecil_J_Mctumshie Posted on 12/07/2018 12:43

Ref was Very Poor

 
expat ; anywhere else on the pitch where kyle walker goes for that ball to head it and a player wins the ball with his foot the ref blows for a foul ; 100% certain. Therefore ; its a foul and the ref had a stinker.
XXXXXX-Walker's head was low to try and head ball away-Croation foot wasn't too high.
Ref had an average game and can't be blamed for England's failure
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bear66 Posted on 12/07/2018 12:45

Ref was Very Poor

 
Walker was very low, well below his boot!

Thought he was average. He missed the Croatian corner off Stones so poor decisions were both ways.
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ExFootyLegs Posted on 12/07/2018 13:33

Ref was Very Poor

 
Croatia beat us but the Ref did all he could to enable that (not intentional but through his poor management of the game skills ; missing corners/throw ins/croatia goal but also numerous fouls he gave them that were not fouls and 2 or 3 fouls we shouldve got in dangerous areas that he didnt give)

Very Poor performance.
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mikeyyyy Posted on 12/07/2018 13:50

Ref was Very Poor

 
That Croatian lad slipping over and giving a foul against Kane for it showed just how incompetent the ref was.

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go_nads Posted on 12/07/2018 14:01

Ref was Very Poor

 
I was thinking of that one too.
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ExFootyLegs Posted on 12/07/2018 14:29

Ref was Very Poor

 
Mikey - totally agree...so annoying that a supposed 'top ref' cannot see that for his own eyes. Utter rubbish...leaves you with zero confidence in these FIFA refs....they just never get it right ....ever....with the refs they appoint.

Beyond rubbish.
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BarnesBoroFC Posted on 12/07/2018 14:45

Ref was Very Poor

 
My favourite was when Rashford slid to block a cross, but was no where near making contact with the player.
The Croatian lad turned and stretched his back foot onto Rashford as he went past and dived to the floor.

And the ref gave a foul.
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Liamo Posted on 12/07/2018 15:44
Edited On: 13/07/2018 03:24
Ref was Very Poor

 
''They have been told to keep the flag down.''

Depends what you mean by 'keep the flag down' - they've been told to delay the flag when they think it's a marginal offside and a goal is potentially in the offing. Play is allowed to continue until the goal opportunity is over or a goal is scored.

If a goal is scored, it is automatically checked by the VAR crew for a potential offside. If a goal is not scored, the flag is raised and the offside is given (as happened here). The assistant referee did not flag for a goal kick (the flag signals are completely different) and as others have said, the kick was taken about 6 yards outside the goal area which means it could not have been a goal kick.
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brattleboro Posted on 12/07/2018 16:49

Ref was Very Poor

 
the way i saw it was he let them get away with a lot of fouls and pilled us up for the least thing.thats life i suppose,[:D]
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HolgateCorner Posted on 12/07/2018 16:53

Ref was Very Poor

 
He was a poor ref and much closer in culture to Croatia than England.

We got no reward for not kicking them about and any kicking about of us went unpunished.
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skiprat Posted on 12/07/2018 20:11

Ref was Very Poor

 
Another example of a blatant yellow when their player went down as if injured, didn’t get the free kick and came charging back down to wing to foul our player from behind.

Mandzukic’s cramp mysteriously disappeared when he was diving about celebrating at the whistle as well.
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