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borolad259 Posted on 13/06/2018 15:54
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What a numpty. Reminds me of some we've sent to the naughty step.

Link: Cry On Baby
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atypical_boro Posted on 13/06/2018 15:56

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There'll be plenty of TR disciples along soon to defend his actions no doubt.
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TeesTees Posted on 13/06/2018 15:57

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Gotta love the nazis

Link: EDL & Britain First argue over who's racist
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atypical_boro Posted on 13/06/2018 16:04
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Inevitable, its why we needn't fear the far Right too much. NF, BNP, EDL, BF, they all come and go fairly sharpish before they start to fight each other.

Some seriously well-crafted debate going on in that clip mind.
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TeesTees Posted on 13/06/2018 16:16

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Its the "we all are" at the end that cracks me up
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jam69 Posted on 13/06/2018 16:22

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[:D]
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keykaynoway Posted on 13/06/2018 16:31

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Stupid man, but I think it was being done ironically to demonstrate absolute free speech.

It really hurts the cause of the vast majority of the £20k+ at that rally who have genuine worries about the state of freedom of speech and freedom of the press in this country.

Only two people were arrested at the march. That's a tiny percentage and not at all representative of the vast majority who were there.
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atypical_boro Posted on 13/06/2018 16:45

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What exactly are they worried about keykay?
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keykaynoway Posted on 13/06/2018 16:56

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-The curtailment of free speech
-The curtailment of freedom of the press
-The importation of incompatible cultures and destruction of British cultures and traditions
-The rise of the politically correct, the purpose of which is purely to enhance state control and police thoughts.

Yet all the media wants to do is label them "far-right" and move on, a term that has absolutely no meaning anymore.

As a supporter of the above aims, I'm incredibly annoyed at this absolute muppet swinging Nazi salutes around. If he was a Nazi, he was no friend of the march. If he was trying to make a point about free speech, he's only succeeded in giving our detractors more ammunition.

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Ticker_Tape Posted on 13/06/2018 17:00

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There was a reporting restriction imposed on it. Didn't you know?
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borolad259 Posted on 13/06/2018 17:10

Nazi cry baby

 
20k + [:D][:D][:D][:D][:D]
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jam69 Posted on 13/06/2018 17:16

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how many were female or non white? not reflective of the British public
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lapennabianca Posted on 13/06/2018 17:19

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"-The curtailment of free speech
-The curtailment of freedom of the press
-The importation of incompatible cultures and destruction of British cultures and traditions
-The rise of the politically correct, the purpose of which is purely to enhance state control and police thoughts."

None of this is happening. May as well be protesting chemtrails.
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atypical_boro Posted on 13/06/2018 17:21

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"The curtailment of free speech"

Is this like where somebody calls someone racist, and the subject doesn't agree, the subject takes offence to it and says 'they shouldn't be allowed to call me that'?
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istanbul Posted on 13/06/2018 17:30

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"None of this is happening"

Why injunctions and super-injuctions on things like the Trafigura scandal, the murder of Laura Wilson, adulterous affairs of celebs, etc.?
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lapennabianca Posted on 13/06/2018 17:52

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So the march was about the Trafigura scandal? Colour me shocked. The fact he linked it to 'policing thought','political correctness' and 'incompatible cultures' inclines me to believe that the freedom of speech claims may be a canard.
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istanbul Posted on 13/06/2018 18:02

Nazi cry baby

 
So you agree that the rights of freedom of speech and freedom of the press are being curtailed then?
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foomanboro Posted on 13/06/2018 18:06

Nazi cry baby

 
What an absolute clip.

Crying like that certainly turns you into a nice shade of gammon [:D]
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lapennabianca Posted on 13/06/2018 18:21

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"So you agree that the rights of freedom of speech and freedom of the press are being curtailed then?"

No more than they ever were.
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istanbul Posted on 13/06/2018 18:23

Nazi cry baby

 
So that's a 'yes' then. Fair enough.
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lapennabianca Posted on 13/06/2018 18:28

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A 'yes' with a caveat that the protests are not about freedom of speech. If they were, these men would be wielding copies of Lady Chatterley's Lover, as opposed to moaning about Sharia Law.

As I said above, it's an artifice.
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istanbul Posted on 13/06/2018 18:31

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I never mentioned anything about the protest. I don't care about that. I challenged your claim against keykay's point. However, it appears now you actually agree that things like freedom of speech and freedom of the press are being curtailed.
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Muttley Posted on 13/06/2018 18:36

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"...freedom of speech and freedom of the press are being curtailed"

Freedom of speech has always been curtailed and so it should be. Wouldn't you agree istanbul?
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lapennabianca Posted on 13/06/2018 18:36
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Well, the post was in a thread about the topic, in reply to one about it.

But if we're going to get REALLY pedantic, as I believe is your forte - I don't 'agree that things like freedom of speech and freedom of the press are being curtailed'. I think they always have been, so using the gerund to imply a deepening of said curtailment is inaccurate.

It would be more accurate to surmise my position as 'limits on freedom of speech and freedom of the press exist, as they have done for a significant period of time'.

Thanks for playing.
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istanbul Posted on 13/06/2018 18:47

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Depends, Muttley. Things like libel and incitement, sure. Restricting the press from reporting on things that are obviously in the public interest, things like no-platforming and certain censorship, like that in art - is just wrong imo.

lapennabianca, no need for further explanation. You agree. That is all.
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lapennabianca Posted on 13/06/2018 18:55

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"That is all."

You must be fun at parties.
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keykaynoway Posted on 13/06/2018 18:55

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Recent hate speech laws have curtailed free speech. Now for speech to be hate speech and therefore illegal it only need be "perceived as offensive" by the recipient.

Count Dankula was arrested for making a joking video mocking Nazis.

A woman was arrested for singing a rap song online with the word "n1gger".

The Metropolitan police has over 900 officers trained in hate speech detection yet knife crime is through the roof.

Free speech is being eroded in this country, from an already precarious position to one allowing the government total control of allowable opinion.

Now if you're against the mass importation of Muslim migrants or multiculturalism and express those views you run the risk of being done for hate speech.

Free speech should be absolute. This march was a necessary kickback to show the government that not everyone in this country is going to roll over and let it continue to Orwellian dystopia.
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Muttley Posted on 13/06/2018 18:56

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So yes, you agree that "freedom of speech" must be curtailed?

We all agree then.

Silly game you are trying to play here.
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istanbul Posted on 13/06/2018 18:59

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There's obviously conditions with freedom of speech. However, to suggest these rights aren't being curtailed is simply incorrect. Thankfully, your friend realised his mistake and corrected himself.
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lapennabianca Posted on 13/06/2018 19:02

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No platforming has nothing to do with FoS.
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atypical_boro Posted on 14/06/2018 09:07
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"Now if you're against the mass importation of Muslim migrants or multiculturalism and express those views you run the risk of being done for hate speech."

You really don't, unless you express it in a way that incites hatred and/or violence.

Where have you got the wording of 'perceived by the recipient' from?
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bear66 Posted on 14/06/2018 09:21

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You keep intriducing the term 'right' istanbul - the only rights are those given, there is no universal right. The law allows rights by saying what isn't right. Private institutions can decide what us and isn't right. There is no universal right and so no curtailment.
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keykaynoway Posted on 14/06/2018 09:24

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"The police and the CPS have agreed the following definition for identifying and flagging hate crimes:

"Any criminal offence which is perceived by the victim or any other person, to be motivated by hostility or prejudice, based on a person's disability or perceived disability; race or perceived race; or religion or perceived religion; or sexual orientation or perceived sexual orientation or transgender identity or perceived transgender identity."

There is no legal definition of hostility so we use the everyday understanding of the word which includes ill-will, spite, contempt, prejudice, unfriendliness, antagonism, resentment and dislike"

https://www.cps.gov.uk/hate-crime
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keykaynoway Posted on 14/06/2018 09:32

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"You keep intriducing the term 'right' istanbul - the only rights are those given, there is no universal right. The law allows rights by saying what isn't right. Private institutions can decide what us and isn't right. There is no universal right and so no curtailment."

This is completely disingenuous Bear. Your argument would say that the Jews in 1930's Germany did not have their rights curtailed when their businesses were seized and they were sent to the camps. After all, the law decides rights.

Rights exist outside of a legal framework. The cotton field slaves in the USA had a "right" to freedom, no matter what the government of the time legislated.
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atypical_boro Posted on 14/06/2018 09:35
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Nazi cry baby

 
Fair enough. Agree that the wording seems to put a lot of power in the hands of the perceived 'victim', if that is new wording its going to be tough to enforce that in court.
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keykaynoway Posted on 14/06/2018 09:38

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atypical [^] Board needs more people like you.
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DowningAlbion Posted on 14/06/2018 10:04

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It has to be as perceived by the recipient, otherwise the perpetrator gets to use the tired old "only joking", "just a bit of banter" defence, and anything goes.

It is therefore down to the perpetrator to consider how the comments could be received, and for the recipient to make it clear if the comments are unwelcome, ASAP.

That is now a standard part of many companies HR policies, as well as the CPS above
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rob_fmttm Posted on 14/06/2018 10:15

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It should be pointed out istanbul is our resident troll.
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Borocelt Posted on 14/06/2018 10:38

Nazi cry baby

 
He probably posts on dumb on boro [:D]
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bear66 Posted on 14/06/2018 10:47

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"Your argument would say that the Jews in 1930's Germany did not have their rights curtailed when their businesses were seized and they were sent to the camps. After all, the law decides rights."

Laws were broken by doing that. They had legal rights that were infringed.

Trying to equate some moral high ground about slavery and the holocaust with "freedom of speech" is disingenuous.

We currently are signed up to the European Court of Human Rights. There have been moves for us to sign off. Presumably so we can use our own laws to curtail some of those rights.
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WeeGord Posted on 14/06/2018 11:02

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I'd thought as much Rob, not long until he starts throwing his ridiculous accusations around.
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