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BigUnit Posted on 12/06/2018 09:32
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Club announcement says they are also back on sale today.
West Stand £691
Cheapest £530


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BigUnit Posted on 12/06/2018 09:35

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Sounds high but only £23 per game
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erimus74 Posted on 12/06/2018 09:36

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LeeTublin Posted on 12/06/2018 09:56

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You getting one Erimus ? [;)]
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erimus74 Posted on 12/06/2018 09:59

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Not for me sorry, I may go to a game or two next season, but good all the same [^]
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GraftLikeNegredo Posted on 12/06/2018 10:03

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Only?

No wonder we've sold less than Sunderland.
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erimus74 Posted on 12/06/2018 10:04

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GraftLikeNegredo, I think it's a good start [^]
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GraftLikeNegredo Posted on 12/06/2018 10:05

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Sorry, the only is in reference to the "only £23 a game" remark.

Fair enough if you think that is a good deal.
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BigUnit Posted on 12/06/2018 10:24
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I think £23 a game compared to a £31 walk up price is a good discount.
Most have brought them at £19 a game early bird though.
If we want to get promoted we cant be giving tickets away like our Neighbours [^]
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bear66 Posted on 12/06/2018 10:24

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It is compared with £30 walk up and getting on for £100 for an away day.
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Nosmo-King Posted on 12/06/2018 10:27

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Whilst it is a good start I wonder how many we will sell from this point. I doubt it will be that many which will be a shame.

Still we will see, be good to get the figure up to 21-22k
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bear66 Posted on 12/06/2018 10:29

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I'm not convinced the club has any great aim for vastly increasing sales. Their policy is aimed at retaining the 18-20000 early birds and hope we have a good start to the season to top up numbers.
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LeeTublin Posted on 12/06/2018 10:31

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£530 for Championship football in an area like Teesside is scandalous.
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bear66 Posted on 12/06/2018 10:36
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Most people will have paid a lot less so it's not scandalous.
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LeeTublin Posted on 12/06/2018 10:39

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I paid a lot less. Anyone coming along now will think twice.
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littledick Posted on 12/06/2018 10:43

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"Anyone coming along now will think twice"


Could have thought twice a few weeks ago and bought at early bird prices [^]
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1finny Posted on 12/06/2018 11:47

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18000 is commendable
Walk up prices are a joke tho
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Indeedido Posted on 12/06/2018 11:53

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The pricing structure is primitive, as with everything commercial at the club.

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parmoboy Posted on 12/06/2018 12:01

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"I think £23 a game compared to a £31 walk up price is a good discount"

It is a good discount but £31 walk up is still too expensive, as is £23 per game. If the club charged say £25 walk ups they could then reduce the prices of season tickets as well.
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bear66 Posted on 12/06/2018 12:03

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It's a sound business model to tie up almost 20k people for a season. If walk ups were cheaper, it would make a lot of those 18000 think again about games missed and end of season dead rubbers. They've got it well sussed.
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Buzza Posted on 12/06/2018 12:05

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Both the season ticket and walk up prices are far too high. Twenty is plenty. Fans being priced out again. Not just a problem at our club but every club in the country.
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FrozenHorse Posted on 12/06/2018 12:13

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Prices are too high across the board.

However ST sales remain strong BECAUSE walk up prices are high.

Anyone who intends attending many games will take advantage of the renewal discount rather than pay walk ups.
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BigUnit Posted on 12/06/2018 12:19

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Bear66 . I agree [^]
A few big signings we take us over 20,000.
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parmoboy Posted on 12/06/2018 12:23
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"It's a sound business model to tie up almost 20k people for a season. If walk ups were cheaper, it would make a lot of those 18000 think again about games missed and end of season dead rubbers. They've got it well sussed"

I don't know whether I agree with that, because the early bird price of £397 is still very reasonable. It works out at £17 a game, so I'd still say the majority would want to commit, even if walks up were £25. We don't know what the walk up prices are going to be either when the early bird offers are announced, so many woudn't want to take the risk of not comitting and then walk up prices being high.

There would be those who would decide to just pick and choose the games, but although there might be a slight decrease in season ticket sales, I think there would be a big increase in walk ups, especially if we're performing on the pitch.
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bear66 Posted on 12/06/2018 12:26

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The model is to have early bird renewals, new applicant early birds about 15% higher and pre-season at another 15% higher, so little leeway on walk ups.

One way it could be improved is to give new applicants the same at early bird time.
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Indeedido Posted on 12/06/2018 13:17

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There is an issue with absolute and relative pricing.
The ground was not sold out once in the last season.
On average there were 8,000 emoty seats per match.

We were involved in and around the play offs yet could not attract any more fans because of a ridiculous walk up price.
The Club effectively hold the same absolute levels.
This is attracting no more SC holders, actually less.
The premium/penalty for new or occasional customers is
not acceptable to the majority, so the crowd and revenue is capped.
SC holders don't worry about missing matches, which further suppresses the actual crowd (as Sunderland)

A more creative approach to cutting prices and narrowing the premium to walk ups would increase crowd sizes and overall revenue. Even if it only held ticket revenue it would open further revenue opportunities and build support base for the future.

Look back to the PL season. Promotion led to very little increase in ticket revenue, despite big increases for any new fans. It also saw the Club sell less Merchandise (incredibly) and generally perform commercially ineptly.

Bear you are wrong - this is a poor model they are sticking with, however you look at it.
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Exiled_in_Herford Posted on 12/06/2018 13:23

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Well said indeedio.
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bear66 Posted on 12/06/2018 13:26

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I guess they don't want to have an average of 16,000 empty seats. Also, the big games brought more people to almost sellouts. They could bring down 15% by allowing new early bird applicants the same price as renewals. That would be an improvement as far as gates are concerned, but probably only marginal.
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erimus74 Posted on 12/06/2018 13:27

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Indeedido, cracking post [^]
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1finny Posted on 12/06/2018 13:28

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Wasps rugby club have quite an innovative model for ‘walk ups’.
Like other professional sports clubs they have ST holders.
They then price walk ups dynamically based on an algorythm (not the crude method of A, B and C categories).
It’s a bit like booking an economy flight.
You buy a ticket today at X price and it could be Y price by the end of the week (Y could be higher or lower).
Of course people want the ‘best deal’ but generally are happy with the price they paid at the time. They will always try and beat the system though which carries a risk of an extra couple of quid.

I know they have been doing it for over a year. They are what is generally called a ‘progressive club’ and commercially very well run.
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ILOVEJUNINHO! Posted on 12/06/2018 13:34
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A return of the Pride Card with some imagination on pricing and incentives for attending more games would be my solution.
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bear66 Posted on 12/06/2018 13:37

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Lets hope they didn't end up reneging on their promise as to how much an ST would save if you bought one at the start of the season.

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FrozenHorse Posted on 12/06/2018 13:39
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"A more creative approach to cutting prices and narrowing the premium to walk ups would increase crowd sizes and overall revenue. Even if it only held ticket revenue it would open further revenue opportunities and build support base for the future."

I think that's a huge assumption and what evidence exists suggests the opposite.

We had a model closer to what you suggest when we were relegated in 2009. The next season average attendance fell by 30%, and a further 18% the year after.

Following our last relegation, AA fell by only 16%. We've already sold 1700 more season tickets than our AA in the 10/11 season.

I repeat that I think tickets are too expensive across he board, but I do not see evidence that narrowing the gap between walk up and STs would increase attendance over all. It may reduce it instead
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LeeTublin Posted on 12/06/2018 13:39

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The pride card would be an option there is a lot of shift workers and offshore workers locally for whom it is no point getting a season ticket due to games missed.
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erimus74 Posted on 12/06/2018 13:43

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I bought the pride card for a couple of seasons then it stopped
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Indeedido Posted on 12/06/2018 15:52

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FH you are always so defensive of the Club's policy....

The price of a Walk up is far too high - we got too few in either the PL season, or last season.
The price of the SC being held is not bringing more people in at all. The crowd is being capped.
Lots of empty seats. Pathetic Commercial revenue management.
We did not break 30k all season.
We had at least 5k empty home seats every match.
I am not having a go at Boro fans here. The pricing just excludes so many.

Comparing the 2 relegations is erroneous, there are circumstances beyond just relegation.

The average attendance fell by 8.5k on relegation in 09 as we embarked on some pretty dire football and this was even worse the next few seasons as we fell closer to L1 than a return to the PL. Events on the pitch simply couldn't attract people in whatever the pricing. If you get it wrong on the pitch there is little you can do to attract people in.
It has just fallen 5k on relegation in 17 despite us making the playoffs.
We have less SC holders again for 18-19, generating less overall than 17-18. The pricing dissuades others to buy now or on a less frequent basis. The fall off if we are not careful will be another 5k on AA.
If we do well all season, why will those who have stayed away in the past due to price be more likely to come back next season on a match by match basis?

You can keep burying your head in the sand, but the prices are too high unless you commit in March to a team you have no idea about from August.
I do because I can, but I do understand why many others don't and then feel alienated as a result and don't bother very often.
Why does the EB offer have to end in March when we are already in the Championship?
I get it in the PL, but not in this league.

Sadly with the Club as narrow minded as they are and with apologists like FH, nothing will change.
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Exiled_in_Herford Posted on 12/06/2018 15:55

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Yet again, another excellent post indeedio [^]
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10hickton Posted on 12/06/2018 16:03
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My season card works out at £14.66 per game - when you take away the price of a free pint also - tremendous value -mind you I would still attend every game even without discounts - that's what I do [^][fb]
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redwurzel Posted on 12/06/2018 16:20

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I think the club need to introduce a few more deals - there are fans out there that want to come but either can't due to price or feel its too expensive for example buy 1 ticket get second one 25% off for an another game.
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BoroLeicester Posted on 12/06/2018 16:25

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How many ST's did we sell in total last season?
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EpiphanyProudfoot Posted on 12/06/2018 16:25

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Amazed you can sell as many as Sunderlands first trading session.
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bear66 Posted on 12/06/2018 16:25

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The problem indeedio is that if we're mid table at Christmas, crowds would plummet without a strong ST base. The early bird ST price is their way of keeping numbers up as well as getting £5m up front. I think they should extend the low price to new applications though. Trying to sustain the club on fickle £25 walk up tickets isn't a sensible way forward. Even £15 cup tickets us too high for many.
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Funky_Chicken Posted on 12/06/2018 16:27

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League one Sunderland you mean [:D]




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Exiled_in_Herford Posted on 12/06/2018 16:28

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Bear are deliberately missing the point on what he's saying?
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bear66 Posted on 12/06/2018 16:31

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No, I'm saying his point is a recipe for disaster for a club like the Boro, which has punched above its weight compared with big city teams. If £20 tickets fills the ground every week, fine, but it wouldn't and we'd be back to 12000 very soon.
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Indeedido Posted on 12/06/2018 16:31

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Thanks exiled - I will stop posting about this for now as I do get wound up and I'm not going to be able to change anything anyway.
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Jumpingjack Posted on 12/06/2018 16:47

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Indeedido.
[^] nailed it!
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bear66 Posted on 12/06/2018 17:05

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Well at least we'll get full houses for £10-15 cup games from now on. The mindset of the now-and-again fan must have changed from the low ticket price deals a few seasons back that failed to catch their imagination.
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FrozenHorse Posted on 12/06/2018 17:19
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"FH you are always so defensive of the Club's policy...."

I think it right that someone should argue the case for what the club has done and at least consider he possibility that they have got it right.

I believe prices are too high across the whole of English football. That's not the club's fault. We could make a principled stand, but I think that is likely to reduce our competitiveness on the pitch and, ultimately, further reduce crowds.

"Lots of empty seats. Pathetic Commercial revenue management.
We did not break 30k all season.
We had at least 5k empty home seats every match."

Is this fundamentally a problem? We have a stadium for PL football, and it does sell out in the PL. I look around the championship and see very few full stadia, and I can only recall 1 freakish season in our history when we routinely sold out in the championship. Empty seats are a fact of life in the Championship.

"The average attendance fell by 8.5k on relegation in 09 as we embarked on some pretty dire football and this was even worse the next few seasons as we fell closer to L1 than a return to the PL. Events on the pitch simply couldn't attract people in whatever the pricing. If you get it wrong on the pitch there is little you can do to attract people in."

You won't convince many that gates have stayed high this season due to the outstanding football: fans haven't come for the thrills. However, I agree that getting it right on the pitch is the key to filling the ground. The key to doing that is to maximise revenue, which is not the same as maximising the crowd. Get the team right and they will come; that might mean empty seats while we’re in the Championship.

"Why does the EB offer have to end in March when we are already in the Championship?
I get it in the PL, but not in this league."

Agree with that.

"with apologists like FH, nothing will change."

When have I apologised? I'm open to the possibility that the club has got it right.

Past pricing structures have seen much greater falls in attendance, so it's certain that it could be much worse.
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otto42 Posted on 12/06/2018 17:57

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Some good points raised on both sides of the argument. I personally couldn't justify a season ticket as I live away and can't commit to every other Saturday and certainly not midweek.

I imagine most who live in the area and can afford and want to commit already do at the lower prices, so why not do something as a 'community club' to attract the less well off, particularly those in their early 20s who will be the lifeblood of the club in 10 to 15 years time?

Walk up prices should be no more than £25 for the cheapest parts of the ground and juniors should be no more than say £15. Those are similar prices to similar clubs to us, am sure I paid less to go to Derby, Birmingham and Wolves to see the Boro last season than I do for a trip with my lad to the Riverside.
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Exiled_in_Herford Posted on 12/06/2018 18:04

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The £17 for a under 16 is a disgrace, these are the future of the club and if you're not attracting them at that age then you're more than likely to lose them for good.

I know people will say about the Grfz but you are limited a place in the ground in which to sit, imagine a family of 2 adults, 2 children who can't afford a Season ticket in March Aprul time, but fancy maybe 10 games a season. You're looking at nearly £1000 for tickets spread over the season. That surely can't be right?.
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Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 12/06/2018 19:05

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As one of the posters points out, his ticket works out at less than 15 quid a game. If the club can afford it for him why rip off the walk up fans?
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EpiphanyProudfoot Posted on 12/06/2018 22:18

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walk up fans?

Erm, what walk up fans!
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middlesbrough123 Posted on 12/06/2018 23:07

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As a 15 yr on my last yr at school I was earning £20 a week .
Halgate £4

Transit tripper £1

Easily affordable for me as I was earning .

Kids are relying on parents coughing up the cash , the average age must be getting older
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Funky_Chicken Posted on 12/06/2018 23:15

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Should I remind everyone piff how many free tickets league one Sunderland had to give away every home game in a desperate attempt to fill their oversized ground [:D] this is a city with twice the population of Middlesbrough, and vastly larger catchment area too - enjoy Accrington mate [:D][^] [8)]




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GusboroughSteve Posted on 13/06/2018 13:21

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The “model” is actually based on the fact that certain decision makers in the club have lost touch with the average Boro supporter.
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Tacker Posted on 13/06/2018 13:33

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"The key to doing that is to maximise revenue"

Boro's idea of maximizing revenue is selling off their official kit/training gear at 50% from March onwards. They must lose hundreds of thousands each year from poor matchday organisation and planning.
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myfooty Posted on 13/06/2018 13:35

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Even when the club puts offers it still struggles to sell the offers.
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BigUnit Posted on 13/06/2018 14:41

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I was told by someone at the club that offers are a thing of the past.
The focus is selling as many season cards as possible.
Match day offers and Pride card would surely affect season tickets sold.
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bear66 Posted on 13/06/2018 14:51

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All makes sense. Offering new applicants the same early bird deal as renewals would help in that respect.

I sympathise with the £17 for young walk ups but a ST holder can add an under 18 for £30 for the season or free for under 11
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BigUnit Posted on 13/06/2018 14:55

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I have one adult , one under 11 and 2 x under 18 for less than £500.
4 season tickets for under £500 is fantastic.
Walk up for under 18 is shocking though
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EpiphanyProudfoot Posted on 13/06/2018 14:58

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Typical Boro fans......moan moan moan.
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Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 13/06/2018 15:00

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So the club is, in effect, making it a season ticket only club?
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bear66 Posted on 13/06/2018 15:02

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No, they're maximising STs by giving good deals. Boro away supporters know that away games are often £30+ (some lower, some higher)
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FrozenHorse Posted on 13/06/2018 15:03
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I’m not saying I agree with this, but the club would love to get back to the days of ST sell outs.

Their policy is built around getting those who buy to keep renewing.

It will take promotion to convince many to take the initial plunge, but one they do, they’ll compare their renewal price to the alternatives....
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Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 13/06/2018 15:07

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The club are priced out of competing in a way to fill the ground under the current leadership.
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bear66 Posted on 13/06/2018 15:13

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People don't fill the ground at £10 a ticket. The club are probably getting far more in than they would with a £20s enough policy.
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FrozenHorse Posted on 13/06/2018 15:21
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Well, we did fill the ground 6 times during our last PL season under this price structure.

Sure that was the PL; it’s a stadium built for the PL.

The fact it’s not full in the Championship doesn’t bother me: no one worried about that at AP.

It does bother me that fans who’d like to go can’t afford it, but I see no reason to believe the stadium would be full if we had comparable prices to the last days of Ayresome (allowing for inflation etc).

During our last championship stint, I couldn’t give my ST away when I was on holiday. Some will not go if performances aren’t good; some will not go if it doesnt have the PL logo on it.
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Funky_Chicken Posted on 13/06/2018 15:45

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So basically the clubs attitude is if you’re not a season ticket holder go do one - great customer relations eh




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Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 13/06/2018 16:04

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bear66, you're making assumptions only, the club haven't tried cheaper walk up tickets for the full season
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bear66 Posted on 13/06/2018 16:10

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It may work over one season, but as STs find "I missed 3-4 matches last season and perhaps I'll miss a few games on holiday in September next, I'll just PAYG next season. Then if it's on the TV, I'll save some money and if we're mid-table I won't bother with the Barnsley match" - attendances and income would gradually fall away. ST loyalty is important to all clubs, not just the Boro.
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FrozenHorse Posted on 13/06/2018 16:16
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“the clubs attitude is if you’re not a season ticket holder go do one”

I think it’s more “how can we make an ST worth you while?”

The obvious reply is then “so why the huge premium for new ST applicants?”

This is for retention purposes: people don’t leave the club if they have to pay to get back in.

I’m sure many don’t like this model, but it has been effective in limiting the fall in attendance after relegation, and has retained a large number of ST holders for this season too.
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Barnsy Posted on 13/06/2018 16:18

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Many of the comments above are quite laudable, but there are of course those posters moaning who in actual fact wouldn't dream of going more than two or three games a season even if tickets were free.
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Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 13/06/2018 16:25

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I understand that, they want a 'trapped' crowd regardless of what's on offer. Understanding it doesn't equate to agreeing with it.
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bear66 Posted on 13/06/2018 16:28

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No, they want fans who put their money where their mouth is.
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littledick Posted on 13/06/2018 16:33

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They want a 100% season card sell out, like in 97-98 season.

If they had that, they could shut the ticket office, as cup matches and away games are all bought via phone or internet through Ticketmasterbaters
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FrozenHorse Posted on 13/06/2018 16:35
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All businesses want a predictable cash flow.

For a football club, the transfer window has made it more important to have yearly budgets determined early. The shorter window from this Summer onwards increases this importance. We can’t suddenly offload a big earner if times are hard; we can’t suddenly bring in a new player if we’re doing well and walk up is high.

I think “trapped” is too sinister a term; there is nothing here that fans don’t willingly enter into. Yes, they ask us to make a commitment, but we do so willingly. We all know that buying an ST (or even a match ticket) doesn’t guarantee you’re going to like what you see.
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bear66 Posted on 13/06/2018 16:35

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Wouldn't we all? When did they make space for walk ups by not having all season tickets?
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Indeedido Posted on 13/06/2018 16:41

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"No, they're maximising STs by giving good deals. Boro away supporters know that away games are often £30+ (some lower, some higher)"
Bear - that's just it, I dont' believe they are maximising either season ticket holders, attendances or revenue.

Pricing needs to be lower and flattened. Not enough people are seeing value.
If you want more EB SC holders, a low cost way would be to include all Cup matches until the QF stage, they make little money anyway in extra ticket revenue.
Then, when in the Championship, hold whatever EB price until the end of June. Open this up to everyone. Reward longer term SC holders in other more creative ways.
Then after June, offer SC's at a modest premium to EB, perhaps 12.5% until the start of the season.
At the same time announce Matchday prices at a 25% premium to the EB equivalent per match. Let people make a choice to commit then.
This would make the most expensive match day ticket £30 in West Stand Upper. The North Stand would be as low as £22.
This effectively gives a SC almost 5 free matches versus a Walk up fan. That feels an incentive, but not enough to make others feel ripped off.

This offers a better deal for EB SC's, an incentive to commit at a realistic time; then some incentive for later SC's to get on board and a Walk up price that attracts, not repels, if and when the team picks up.

The offer for kids and other concessions should be better thought through too. People shouldn't have to be forced into the GRFZ to get a discount.

I believe we will have a reduced average crowd again this season, whether we do well or not on the pitch.
The pricing structure will be a major driver.


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Ticker_Tape Posted on 13/06/2018 16:57
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I don't think they are interested in walk ups tbh, they can't commit and are just looking for a cheap match ticket so are of little value to the club.

I'd make cheap family tickets available. I was just watching the Ar$enal 2004 LC SF home leg today.... Very big game.... Seats empty all over the WS. We might get the odd boom day again but it will be seldom.

I think 18k is a good SC take up, cheap tickets at walk up won't add much this season.
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james10 Posted on 13/06/2018 17:05

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should keep away the riff raff though
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bear66 Posted on 13/06/2018 18:19
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Over 18,000 Season tickets sold

 
"I believe we will have a reduced average crowd again this season, whether we do well or not on the pitch."

Last year was the second highest crowd attendance in the second tier since at least 1903, nearly 6000 more than last time we were relegated. (1997-98 was the highest). I'd be surprised if it wasn't lower next season no matter what the price. They must be doing something right.
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Indeedido Posted on 13/06/2018 18:31

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Keep on sticking your head in the sand Bear
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bear66 Posted on 13/06/2018 18:38
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Over 18,000 Season tickets sold

 
The facts speak from themselves.

Last season I struggled to give my ST away for the few games I missed.
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Corco65 Posted on 13/06/2018 18:41

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Simple - the club set the price regardless of individuals circumstances or situations, the club is a business and will have considered its price point and you either buy one or you don't in full knowledge of the alternative.
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Indeedido Posted on 13/06/2018 18:48

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Businesses do make mistakes.
Football clubs make business mistakes, not just football mistakes.
Next you will be telling me they haven't ever made football mistakes...
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bear66 Posted on 13/06/2018 19:04

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He hasn't said they don't make business mistakes. You'd never know if you had or hadn't with regard to attendances.

I don't think things will change next season either as they seem to be happy with their 'model'.

If you want the best deal, get an EB.
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Indeedido Posted on 13/06/2018 19:06

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I've bought EB since they were introduced Bear, but I do care about other supporters and fans.
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bear66 Posted on 13/06/2018 19:14

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The under 18 price is expensive compared with the adult walk up uplift and you could make a business as well as 'moral' case for doing a lower price and a lower adult plus child price without upsetting their model. That would probably increase attendance and income.

I'm not convinced that flattening the price structure would do anything other than a gradual tailing off of STs and overall lower attendances.
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ChrisFinch Posted on 13/06/2018 19:14

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Disgusting prices but it's to be expected from the club these days. Even the early bird prices and an absolute scandal.

The club continues to try and squeeze money from people who do not have it, alienating most of the town. Gibson does not give a toss about the people of Teesside.
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Indeedido Posted on 13/06/2018 21:17

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Bear that is what is happening anyway!
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almeria2005 Posted on 13/06/2018 21:59

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Last seasons average crowd was higher than in the last promotion season,despite having the lowest amount of away supporters at the games in the league
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redwurzel Posted on 13/06/2018 22:16

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We should have 20k season ticket holders eventually - more Northern away games next season will make a season ticket more useful for away tickets.
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