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canyoudigit Posted on 16/05/2018 17:29
Steve Gibson
 
 
Love the bloke to bits for everything he has done for our club,if you could ask him one question what would it Be?
Mine would have to be why didn't we spend the 50m we spent on new players this summer last season because the chances are if Aitor had spent 50m we would still be in the premier league now,the time to gamble was when we were in the premier league for me.
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Exiled_in_Herford Posted on 16/05/2018 17:31

Steve Gibson

 
Why didn't he get a decent fax machine in 1996?
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Foggysfplandiet3 Posted on 16/05/2018 17:33
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Steve Gibson

 
"Why didn't he get a decent fax machine in 1996?"

Exiled, FFS it's been 21 fecking years, let it go, man.
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atypical_boro Posted on 16/05/2018 17:35

Steve Gibson

 
I'd honestly ask him why he doesn't sell the club given he makes no money from it and constantly gets called greedy by the fans, who think ticket prices are sometimes £2-£3 too high.
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Exiled_in_Herford Posted on 16/05/2018 17:35

Steve Gibson

 
22 actually and I was taking the Michael before somebody else mentioned it.
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Funky_Chicken Posted on 16/05/2018 17:36

Steve Gibson

 
Mine would be “top drawer manger eh” then I’d tighten his tie up round his neck like the American guy did to Basil in Fawlty Towers an shout ”hot dog” [8)]





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Link: Take that
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nowthen Posted on 16/05/2018 18:50

Steve Gibson

 
Looking at your managerial appointments, you clearly don’t have a vision for MFC. Constant change in styles and rebuilding. Why is that?
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coluka Posted on 16/05/2018 18:54

Steve Gibson

 
We have had:-

“we will give it a good go”

“We want to smash the league”

What is this years rallying cry going to be?

Secondly, will you address the fundamental lack of pace and creativity that has been lacking for over several seasons this time around in both midfield and up front?
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Wev1 Posted on 16/05/2018 18:58

Steve Gibson

 
"Mine would have to be why didn't we spend the 50m we spent on new players this summer last season"

I can answer this for you:
That 50m was funded by 45m of transfer sales and parachute payments, so that money didn't actually exist last year.
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redwurzel Posted on 16/05/2018 19:00

Steve Gibson

 
Why did you take such a big risk appointing Gareth Southgate with no experience as a manager or a coach?

Why did he say we are going to try and smash this league? Wouldn't it be more sensible to say we are going all out to win the league?
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Sortie Posted on 16/05/2018 19:10

Steve Gibson

 
Did you know redwurzel doesn't understand the meaning of one.
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sweet_left_foot Posted on 16/05/2018 19:26

Steve Gibson

 
It's been an amazing ride. Can you imagine how the heart would have been ripped out of the town if it wasn't for you?

It would have been like Thatcher had won.
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dragged_up_in_whinneybanks Posted on 17/05/2018 06:51

Steve Gibson

 
The fax machine was fine. We needed a decent CEO.
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atypical_boro Posted on 17/05/2018 08:44

Steve Gibson

 
"Secondly, will you address the fundamental lack of pace and creativity that has been lacking for over several seasons this time around in both midfield and up front?"

Why is that a question for the owner? Surely that's one for the manager. Who himself has brought in Besic.

And in any case its the last 2 seasons, hardly been a decade-long problem.
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bobbygee Posted on 17/05/2018 09:27

Steve Gibson

 
Sacre bleu

Don't have a pop at saint steve

They'll be after you
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EpiphanyProudfoot Posted on 17/05/2018 09:38

Steve Gibson

 
Mr Gibsons response;

‘I am NOT answering any of your questions as it is XXXXXX all to do with you’

If you don’t like it don’t come…..oh wait a minute you already don’t’
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hard_ Posted on 17/05/2018 09:44

Steve Gibson

 
Do you regret your written support for James Wharton?
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BarnesBoroFC Posted on 17/05/2018 09:49

Steve Gibson

 
Any chance we can have iFollow next season?
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coluka Posted on 17/05/2018 10:02

Steve Gibson

 

“Why is that a question for the owner? Surely that's one for the manager. Who himself has brought in Besic.

And in any case its the last 2 seasons, hardly been a decade-long problem”

Gibson instructs the manager what he wants done and signs the cheques. Do you really think he just says right, we will have you as manager and I will leave you to get on with it mate? Do You still assume that managers buy players and solely have responsibility for recruitment ... really? Yes he has a say and maybe more of a say than some recent others where it was a team effort. Just listen to what Howson actually says when negotiations first started. Monk was not even in post was he!

Where did I say the last decade? Why twist what I say, just because you don’t agree? Really !! Pace and creativity has been lacking in the team for more than just 2 seasons in my book


Link: Howson how move came about
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EpiphanyProudfoot Posted on 17/05/2018 10:07

Steve Gibson

 
You cannot stand the fact that a proud Tory runs (and owns) the club.

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atypical_boro Posted on 17/05/2018 10:50
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Steve Gibson

 
Jeez Col calm down. I didn't twist what you said, I just pointed it had only been a problem for the last 2 seasons (ok, imho that is), which isn't a 'long-time' by most standards.

It wasn't when we won promotion once we brought in Gaston and it certainly wasn't when we had Tomlin, Adomah and Bamford. Surprised if you think it was, but anyway, I'd say its still more the responsibility of the manager to identify these issues than the chairman/owner's.

I would also say that the very signing of Howson (and Besic) was an attempt to address this issue, but for some reason we seem to have signed a slightly different player to the one who played for Leeds and Norwich.
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coluka Posted on 17/05/2018 11:34

Steve Gibson

 
I dont need to calm down atypical, just fed up of posters in general tweaking comments. Bamford has class, ability is a clever player, but he does not possess pace, neither did Tomlin. I am sure I dont need to remind you that with Tomlin, Bamford and Adomah we only finished 4th we lacked pace and creativity then. The only pace was Adomah. Like this year it is only Adama.

Ramirez and his creativity helped us over the line 2 yrs ago but other than Adomah who else had pace in midfield or a creative spark? We have had pockets of it granted, but that is not enough these days. You need it throughout the midfield and up front. Workmanlike is what we have generally been, as one of AK’s bigger fans I was saying it 4 yrs ago and got told it wasn’t important by many on here, well it is.
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atypical_boro Posted on 17/05/2018 11:40
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Steve Gibson

 
Well its important to a degree, but take this season for example, we had full backs with bags of pace until January, but were underperforming as a side. Pace doesn't always equal success.

In 2015 we had plenty of creativity, if not pace, and you cited both.

Anyway, I disagree that its been a 'problem for years', thats just not how I'd phrase it.

Its been a problem this season and last, and maybe for a few months before we addressed it during the promotion season, but we did address it then and Pulis addressed it this January too (about all he could address) with the signing of Besic and the liberation of Traore.

We need to score more goals next season from midfield, no one would doubt that, but it isn't only achievable one way, and I'll say it again its Pulis' job to solve the problem provided Gibson makes funds available.

I would also say signing Downing was a clear attempt (by Gibson, Karanka, Gill, whoever) to address the issue. For whatever reason it hasn't quite worked out, but that doesn't mean no one tried.
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coluka Posted on 17/05/2018 12:10

Steve Gibson

 
I accept trying and succeeding are two different things.

Take this year, they tried and bought for a 4-3-3 formation, Monk ditched it quickly. Defensively Christie had bags of pace, however he was a terrible defender and was to blame for a few goals at the far/ near posts as he was caught ball watching. When he marauded up front and lost the ball he often just jogged back leaving us exposed. Fabio similarly. These players are eexciting to watch on the ball but the game is so much more.

Yes therefore it clearly is about more than pace, I have never tbf suggested otherwise tbf, you need the combination of workmanlike and pace and creativity in several areas across the pitch. We dont seem to bring in players who have several attributes. Adomah has pace but tracks back effectively. Snodgrass is a fair example of attribute mixes I am talking about. He has creativity, battles and has reasonable pace (without being super quick).

In midfield generally we are lethargic of thought as well as movement and needs addressing to progress. I worry we will end up with experience but no pace once more, especially if we lose Adama as is likely.
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Derek_Duvall Posted on 17/05/2018 12:13

Steve Gibson

 
Yep, I would ask him why he continually supports this club considering the abuse he receives from an increasingly large section of our support.
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Indeedido Posted on 17/05/2018 14:32

Steve Gibson

 
"I'd honestly ask him why he doesn't sell the club given he makes no money from it and constantly gets called greedy by the fans, who think ticket prices are sometimes £2-£3 too high".

A daft question from someone like you atypical?

"The Club" owes the parent Company a nett £79.6m, which is £11.1m less than year to June 2016.
It also has a Bank Loan of £8.6-10m

Overall the nett Shareholder value has improved by £11m to -£57m.

For Gibson to recover the £64m he has pumped in as share capital, then he would need £121m to walk away even as I understand it.
The Club in the Championship is simply not worth that.

The P&L for the year to June 2017 is odd.
1. The Revenue figure is very poor. The Club made just £1.1m more from tickets overall, made less money from merchandise (how is that even possible having gone up) and a modest +£3.2m on commercial/sponsorship.
I think the Club missed a huge commercial/turnover opportunity on promotion.
2. Cost of Sales is very high (and opaque) at £89.5m, suppressing Gross Profit. This so given Salary/Wages doubled to £64.9m, but still just 53% of turnover. That's £25m other CoS, which seems very very high.
3. Huge further additional expenses of exceptional payroll items and amortisation/impairment charges given such low transfer spend.
The £11m profit looks suppressed.

The truth is MFC make a huge loss if trying to compete in the Championship, but can operate in the PL given media monies. With better leadership they should generate much more than they did in the PL.
Nobody in their right mind would buy the Club and give Gibson what he is due whilst in the Championship.
Gibson wouldn't give the Club away, nor should he.
He can sell when we are established in the Premier, but getting there is likely to increase the debt, after the failure of not staying up or getting up this season.
Next season really does seem like sh!t or bust.
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atypical_boro Posted on 17/05/2018 14:36

Steve Gibson

 
Ok Indeedido, the sentiment of the question was really about what he gets out of it, since most of his actions bring about accusations of self-interest from a large proportion of supporters, despite the fact we know he isn't profiteering from it.

But what you're saying is, he has no choice but to stick with the club until he can break even?
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Funky_Chicken Posted on 17/05/2018 14:38

Steve Gibson

 
His own poor descion making since Eindhoven have led to the club wallowing in the championship mainly for the past 12 years - some really baffling descions have been made in those years



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awesome_angel Posted on 17/05/2018 14:49

Steve Gibson

 
Mine would be; "So, Steve, why did you even bother putting your time effort and personal fortune into an ailing club with a home gate of 4 or 5 thousand who were about to go bust, knowing that once you've secured them a fantastic stadium, crowds of over 30'000, World class players, promotions, cup finals, European football, and even our first major trophy, knowing that 30 years later with the benefit of hindsight, the so called fans would be whingeing, whining and ungrateful for all that you have done?
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EpiphanyProudfoot Posted on 17/05/2018 14:53

Steve Gibson

 
'His own poor descion making since Eindhoven have led to the club wallowing in the championship mainly for the past 12 years - some really baffling descions have been made in those years'

Some of your spelling is baffling.
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1finny Posted on 17/05/2018 14:55

Steve Gibson

 
I’d say
‘Steve, you know back in the day - did you really expect to have grown men fawning over like some kind of living icon despite making some really dodgy decisions’
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Derek_Duvall Posted on 17/05/2018 15:33

Steve Gibson

 
'Fawning'?! Jesus wept.
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borobadge Posted on 17/05/2018 15:39

Steve Gibson

 
Sir Gareth ! - now Steve, tell me, what do you consider to have been your second biggest error whilst in control of Middlesbrough Football Club? .....
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Pak_Do-Ik Posted on 17/05/2018 15:54
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Steve Gibson

 
Now England are world champions, do you regret sacking Sir Gareth?
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borojim57 Posted on 17/05/2018 16:25

Steve Gibson

 
Awesome angel at last a true boro fan on what should be a boro board,it's obviously full of trolls or people (not fans) with very short memories,,but some might say typical boro fans [^] come on whingeing after not getting what they feel is our right( to be at the playoff finals) if we had made it ,they'd still be moaning about gibbo[^]
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1finny Posted on 17/05/2018 18:02

Steve Gibson

 
Borojim and Ayresome Angel
True Boro fans
We are in awe [^]
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coluka Posted on 17/05/2018 18:36

Steve Gibson

 
So Mr Angel, managers go from hero to zero, players do., so do football chairman, but nobody is saying Gibson has gone from hero to zero.

We are all grateful for what ha has done and continues to do.

Do you believe he is beyond criticism and his obvious mistakes just brushed under the carpet? Why?

It is possible to be constructively critical you know!

Last season he told us he did not need telling he knew all that was wrong and would make sure the mistakes were put right. Enter Garry Monk .... hmmm.

Thankfully he saw the glaring mistake and changed for the better. Nobody including him are beyond constructive criticism. But yes we remain grateful. The hindsight comment was ridiculous. The numbers on here that were critical of southgate was untrue. Many Fans correctly predicted how it would pan out before it happened.
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Indeedido Posted on 17/05/2018 22:03

Steve Gibson

 
"But what you're saying is, he has no choice but to stick with the club until he can break even?"

atypical - yes but even more so.
I think he has to reduce the debt (bank loan and group) before somebody will buy it, which means generating a surplus like last season, not just breaking even.
He can only generate a surplus in the PL with the Media income.
Which is why making such a half @rsed effort of staying up last season is so hard to comprehend.

In many ways I'd like our Club to stay local and with Gibson, as I don't think anybody else would prop us up in the Championship like he did.
I do however also wish we had someone at the helm who made better decisions than Steve has made since relegation.
My ideal would be Gibson as Chairman/owner, but with enough humility to let somebody run the Club. A proper CEO as per Daniel Levy.

For the elimination of any sort of doubt, like Coluka ( an excellent poster and good bloke to boot) I am eternally grateful for Gibson's support during the fallow years and for the best years we've enjoyed as a Club.
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emerson_ave Posted on 18/05/2018 09:22

Steve Gibson

 
'I do however also wish we had someone at the helm who made better decisions than Steve has made since relegation.'

What exactly would have been the 'better decisions' which would have produced better outcomes than we have had?
There is no perfect model which can be adopted to run a football club. You are constantly at the mercy of factors which are outside your control. Take the result on Tuesday as an example. I have railed against Pulis for his tactics but if Dean sends off the keeper, Downing's freekick is a few inches under the bar we may well have gone on to win the game in extra time and to beat Fulham at Wembley.

Looking back to the immediate post-relegation period I suspect most applauded the appointment of Strachan. It didn't work out. I never thought it would. The appointment of Mowbray worked for a while. He was hampered by Strachan's mistakes. The appointment of Karanka was undoubtedly a big success, whatever people may think. Yes it went wrong at the end but I think that was more to do with relationships within the squad than his football philosophy which was little different to Wagner at Huddersfield who have stayed up.

Moving to Monk. I know quite a few Leeds fans who thought we had made a good choice and were sorry to lose him.

As for Pulis he's done 'OK' nothing more at this stage, the minimum to give some hope that we might do better next season under him assuming he wants to stay.

In making decisions Steve Gibson is constrained by who we are, where we are and by comparison to many others the resources at his disposal. By comparison to many others notably Sunderland,Leeds,Sheffield Wednesday and Nottingham Forest, Norwich as examples all of whom have had or are about to have spells in the third tier after relegation from the Premier League his decisions haven't been that bad.
At the moment we look enviously at Watford, Bournemouth,Brighton,Burnley and Brighton as being clubs we should be above. It won't last for all of the above.

The continuity of ownership and direction of the club has kept us on an even keel. I am unconvinced that another person taking the decisions would have necessarily made a difference.
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atypical_boro Posted on 18/05/2018 09:56

Steve Gibson

 
Indeedido, how would you feel about his daughter taking over the reins on a day to day basis?
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Indeedido Posted on 18/05/2018 11:17

Steve Gibson

 
atypical - extremely worried. It would make the need for a proper CEO even more crucial. That is not to criticise her in any way, or her motives. She simply hasn't got the knowledge or experience to step into her Dad's shoes.

emerson - here are a few of the poor decisions Steve has made since Eindhoven.

1. Appointing Southgate on a 5 year contract without his badges or any experience whatsoever at a time when he wanted to scale back.
2. Retaining Southgate for the second half of the relegation season - we started to freefall.
3. Retaining Southgate for the following season.
4. Hiring Strachan.
5. Retaining Mowbray for the start of the 2013-14 season after the incredible collapse from the previous Christmas.
6. The recruitment and budget for the PL season, both pre season and in January. I still cant get my head around making a profit in the first year where it is crucial to stay up and we were so short of quality.
7. Retaining Karanka at the start of 2017 when it was clear he didn't trust his judgement in the transfer market.
8. Appointing Steve Agnew.
9. Appointing Garry Monk.
10. Retaining Gary Gill and then also hiring Victor Orta to preside over the most spectacularly bad recruitment we have seen since June 2016.

These are all football only things.
Decisions on Pricing, Ticketing, PR/Comms, Merchandising have usually been head shakers too.

How can you make less money out of merchandising when you are in the PL?
How can you make only £1m more through the gate, yet have lots of empty seats at every match last season in the PL?
How can you generate only £3m more from Commercial or Sponsorship in the PL?
How can you so spectacularly get the sale of play off tickets so wrong and consistently use a service partner who can't find its own @rse with both hands?
How can you be so petty as to continue to shut out the local newspaper at a time when your own PR is so unbelievably bad?

I stick to my original post. I ideally want Gibson to own the Club because I do believe his commitment is immense. We have so many reasons to thank him and be grateful for his incredible financial support. There would be no MFC by now if it were not for his ambition,drive and balls in the 90's and 00's and his remarkable financial support in the 10's.
But that does not mean he hasn't dropped some incredible clangers over the last 10 years.
Karanka for 2.5 years aside, it has been a decade of decline.
He needs a proper CEO and then let that person truly run things with accountability.
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Pottomed Posted on 18/05/2018 11:39

Steve Gibson

 
So indeedo when was a decade 7.5 years?
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borobadge Posted on 18/05/2018 11:41

Steve Gibson

 
in your opinion !...


my opinion is tht the biggest mistake he has made as chairman was sacking Sir Gareth.

not because his gone on to be England manager, but because it was clearly (in my opinion) the wrong time, the wrong reasons, disrespectful and changed (my outlook under Gibson snr) our modus operandi.

ive no doubt we would be in a much better place with our team and football club had he stuck with Sir Gareth.

that's just my view, it wont change.

we have a lot to be thankful for with Stephen.
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