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hamstercheeks Posted on 16/05/2018 15:29
Has your opinion of Traore changed after the playoff games?
 
 
I'm wondering whether the Villa games will bring everyone back to earth a bit.

Up against a better team who were organised he didn't look at his best. I'm still not sure he's ready for the Premier league yet.

Do you still think we'll have clubs looking to buy him after these last 2 games?

What sort of money will teams be prepared to pay for him?

Would you sell him, and what would be your price?
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Tuncay_alves_ftw Posted on 16/05/2018 15:33

Has your opinion of Traore changed after the playoff games?

 
Still our best player by a country mile, organised defence against him as in they had 3 or 4 players swarm him Everytime he touched the ball, if he goes to a big club they can't put 4 players against him because they have the quality elsewhere to punish, we don't have that luxury.. we had to pray on him performing a miracle.

I think he'll go for around 30m but I won't be surprised if we do what we always do and sell him cheap.
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bear66 Posted on 16/05/2018 15:36

Has your opinion of Traore changed after the playoff games?

 
No. Has struggled more often than not recently. Seeing him and Adomah on the same pitch puts their relative attributes in perspective. Villa fans are rightly happier with the deal done.
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Indeedido Posted on 16/05/2018 15:36

Has your opinion of Traore changed after the playoff games?

 
He was very disappointing, but in a poor team selection.
I still hope he stays and we play better players with him, including Bamford.
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JLinardi Posted on 16/05/2018 15:42

Has your opinion of Traore changed after the playoff games?

 
Says more about the team than him, got barely any support and our supply into him was poor.

He did make poor decisions at times, held onto the ball to long and tried to do to much but was still our most dangerous player and is why they had 3 men on him.

Didn't see the adomah comparison really, thought he was anonymous in the first leg and had a couple of decent runs in the 2nd. Their star man by a country mile was grealish.
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tryasize10 Posted on 16/05/2018 15:43

Has your opinion of Traore changed after the playoff games?

 
Maybe it just compounded what we already knew?

There were some glimpses of a great player. But did he do enough?

To be honest, talk of £40m for him is a bit optimistic
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sheriff_john_bunnell Posted on 16/05/2018 15:45

Has your opinion of Traore changed after the playoff games?

 
Ive never actually seen lionel messi have a great game. I watch domestic football and world cups.
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BoroBen92 Posted on 16/05/2018 15:45

Has your opinion of Traore changed after the playoff games?

 
Don't think he's had a great game for the last month, really.
He's still an outstanding talent, just with a lot to learn, and I hope we keep hin
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hamstercheeks Posted on 16/05/2018 15:45

Has your opinion of Traore changed after the playoff games?

 
I'll admit to being one of the people who wrote him off previously, his improvement this season has been absolutely huge and he's clearly our most creative player.

However if we get offered 25m I think I'd take it, I still think it could go either way whether he makes it as a Premier league player, for all his positive attributes he still needs to improve so much to make it at the top level.

We could do a lot with that kind of money at this level as well.
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boromike85 Posted on 16/05/2018 15:46

Has your opinion of Traore changed after the playoff games?

 
No. Put Messi in that team and the same would happen. The rest of our team is so devoid of attacking intent that defenders don't have to do anything to stop us other than put men on Traore.
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Tuncay_alves_ftw Posted on 16/05/2018 15:47

Has your opinion of Traore changed after the playoff games?

 
Well when we got promoted plenty were talking about Ben Gibson going for no less than 20/25m.. surely going off that traore is a much more important player and the excitement factor pays for itself, these days I go to watch traore because he makes me enjoy football again, haven't had that since the little fella.
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foomanboro Posted on 16/05/2018 15:49

Has your opinion of Traore changed after the playoff games?

 
No. He is still our best and most exciting player by a country mile and I hope we can keep him.
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Big_Boozer Posted on 16/05/2018 15:53

Has your opinion of Traore changed after the playoff games?

 
£30m, but come back to Championship on a years loan.

Got a lot to learn to succeed in Premier League.

Last night he was standing around wondering what to do on a couple of occasions.
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atypical_boro Posted on 16/05/2018 15:55

Has your opinion of Traore changed after the playoff games?

 
My opinion of him hasn't changed, but I do think he's less likely to leave now, purely because I don't think a team will match our valuation and we don't need to sell (unless we get a very good fee).
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bear66 Posted on 16/05/2018 15:55

Has your opinion of Traore changed after the playoff games?

 
@JKinardi - Adomah put in two excellent crosses in the home leg but I thought grealish stood out. Last night I thought the opposite. Grealish didnt do much apart from the excellent shot and the Adomah one two; everything happened through Adomah.
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batesyboy Posted on 16/05/2018 15:56

Has your opinion of Traore changed after the playoff games?

 
For me the comments on here say everything, he is exciting but that’s about it. His decision making, awareness and overall poor footballing brain mean he will never be a consistent performer for a top side.
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Tuncaythefunguy Posted on 16/05/2018 15:59

Has your opinion of Traore changed after the playoff games?

 
We’ve basically been a one man team since the turn of the year. The tripled n quadrupled marked him.

Adomah has Shotton against him and Shotton was attacking a lot of the time too.

You can’t compare performances on those two games.

Adama will be twice if not three times the player adomah is. If villa don’t go up, adomah will prob have those brief appearances in the premier league as his highlights.
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Alvez_48 Posted on 16/05/2018 16:07

Has your opinion of Traore changed after the playoff games?

 
Traore needs attacking players with him. On top of that the number of times the guy wasn't picked out when he actually had space was astounding.

It was crab crab crab eventually reaching Shotton. Then check back. Crab crab crab to downing or friend ad nauseum.
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BillyMurphy Posted on 16/05/2018 16:09

Has your opinion of Traore changed after the playoff games?

 
I see the against Traore brigade are just trying to rear their heads as soon as he has a disappointing game.

Answer to your question is a resounding NO, the boy is an outstanding talent and we are lucky to have him.
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bear66 Posted on 16/05/2018 16:16

Has your opinion of Traore changed after the playoff games?

 
Far more than one game. He's had a few excellent games but most of the time he flatters to deceive or does very little if marked. The reliance of Pulis demanding Traore must be the one to lose the ball for us limits our threat. In the home leg there were a lot of left sided options (first half) that we didn't exploit as Besic and Clayton ensured the ball kept going towards Traore.
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hamstercheeks Posted on 16/05/2018 16:25

Has your opinion of Traore changed after the playoff games?

 
Bill - it's not about picking on him I think it's a perfectly reasonable question.

Look at the comments from the pundits and opposition fans and I don't think anyone has been overly impressed with him over the last 2 games.

I'm not sure any potential suitors would be totally convinced after those 2 games.
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Exiled_in_Herford Posted on 16/05/2018 16:26

Has your opinion of Traore changed after the playoff games?

 
No and I haven't read the thread so just going off the title and here's why, Villa could afford to double/treble up on him because we lack a player anywhere else on the pitch to cause them damage. Basically they stopped Traore so they stopped us, with better players around him tbey wouldn't have been able to do what they did as they would have had to concentrate on others and not just him.
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Greenandblack Posted on 16/05/2018 16:29

Has your opinion of Traore changed after the playoff games?

 
£30 million?

That's ridiculous. He's not worth anything like that.

He makes eye catching runs but there is so little enx product. Even allosing for the fact there's only one attacker in the box he manages to miss him most of the time.

He'd do better at Man City because they commit so many men forward, but he isn't good enough to get in the team there.
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WoodallServices Posted on 16/05/2018 16:30

Has your opinion of Traore changed after the playoff games?

 
boromike85[^]
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atypical_boro Posted on 16/05/2018 16:33
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Has your opinion of Traore changed after the playoff games?

 
"30 million?

That's ridiculous. He's not worth anything like that."

Exactly this, which is why he'll probably stay. We won't sell him for £20m, £5m more than Britt was signed for.

Maybe if a team were willing to stump up £25m+ addons he would go, lower PL clubs won't gamble that kind of cash on him so its whether Chelsea or Man City want to spend that on a player who won't start for them.
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richardliburd Posted on 16/05/2018 16:36

Has your opinion of Traore changed after the playoff games?

 
I've been impressed with him but when you see him up against Grealish you realise just how little control he has over the ball a lot of the time. He'll do some explosive damage from time to time whatever level he ends up at but he still has a long way to go to even be one of the top players in the Championship. But he's a young lad and has progressed hugely this season, if he makes similar progress next term we'll have a great player on our hands.

One thing I'd like to see from him is, when the ball is on the opposite wing, rather than standing outside the box in the hope/expectation that the ball will eventually come back over him via Clayton and Shotton, get in at the back post and give Downing/Friend another body to aim for. Several crosses floated over everyone to the back post last night. Stuani was brilliant at it - it's just a small adjustment that could see Adama double his goal tally over the season.
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Fabios_porkpie_provider Posted on 16/05/2018 16:41

Has your opinion of Traore changed after the playoff games?

 
'Seeing him and Adomah on the same pitch puts their relative attributes in perspective. Villa fans are rightly happier with the deal done.'

Really? Seeing Albert take on Shotton 1 on 1 is a completely different thing to Traore take on Hutton plus 2 or 3 others. Cannot compare the two on their performances in the play offs. Traore the far far far superior player, hence the special attention he was given.
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SchrodingersSystem Posted on 16/05/2018 17:48

Has your opinion of Traore changed after the playoff games?

 
The biggest issue is that the other 4 midfielders are so offensively poor that opponents can afford to put 2 or 3 players on Adama without fear.

If we added a left winger and a real no 10. It would be completely different scenario.
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redwurzel Posted on 16/05/2018 18:12

Has your opinion of Traore changed after the playoff games?

 
SS - just what I was going to say - Adomah was marked 1 to 1 not 3 to 1.
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hamstercheeks Posted on 16/05/2018 18:24

Has your opinion of Traore changed after the playoff games?

 
"The biggest issue is that the other 4 midfielders are so offensively poor that opponents can afford to put 2 or 3 players on Adama without fear.

If we added a left winger and a real no 10. It would be completely different scenario. "

Oh yeah I've got no doubt about that [^]
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BillyMurphy Posted on 16/05/2018 18:26

Has your opinion of Traore changed after the playoff games?

 
hamster what I’m getting at is why would anyone’s opinion change after the two play off games about Traore ? Just because he played poorly during those games or even he wasn’t allowed to play to his normal standards due to villa doing a job on him.

He’s shown enough in games this season to know that he’s a very good player with lots of potential who will only get better as he develops.
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Block21 Posted on 16/05/2018 18:43

Has your opinion of Traore changed after the playoff games?

 
‘Never seen Messi have a great game’ do you watch football [smi]. He’s man of the match in nearly every game he plays for barca
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Wev1 Posted on 16/05/2018 18:49

Has your opinion of Traore changed after the playoff games?

 
Adomah wasn't marked by anyone, he had 20 yards of space every time he got the ball, because Shotton is lazy and terrible.

Traore had Hutton man marking him for two legs and when the opportunity arose they doubled and trebled up on him. It's not Traore's fault he got special attention and we had zero other options. Hard for Traore to create goals for a sole striker that's 5'9".

Don't remember anyone giving Juninho stick when he got man marked out of the game numerous times (and rightly so), same reason not to give Traore stick.

Messi, Ronaldo and Neymar would have had the same impact last night playing wide on the right.
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big-eggo Posted on 16/05/2018 18:55

Has your opinion of Traore changed after the playoff games?

 
Not changed. The lad has his limitations are we are massively overdependent on him.

Add to that the way that he is over-managed. Play Right Play Left rigidity played into their hands. If it is decided that he is our only outlet then the lad should have been encouraged to move Right/Left/ Centre throughout the game to find space. Our hordes of defensive midfielders should fill the gaps.
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hamstercheeks Posted on 16/05/2018 19:02

Has your opinion of Traore changed after the playoff games?

 
BillyMurphy - I think we've had people on here who think Traore is going to be the new Messi , I also think we've got some like myself who recognise his improvement but are not sure whether he's ready for the Premier league.

For those who are not sure I think the last couple of games might add a bit of extra doubt, it was a higher level in terms of opposition and he didn't set the world alight.

I know there's other circumstances in play like him being tightly marked by two players etc but listening to neutrals many still think there's question marks about him.

I still think he's got huge potential but I don't think anyone can say for certain whether he'll fulfil it. That's why I think it's a perfectly reasonable question.
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Sortie Posted on 16/05/2018 19:06

Has your opinion of Traore changed after the playoff games?

 
No, still the best we've got.
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itsthere Posted on 16/05/2018 19:18

Has your opinion of Traore changed after the playoff games?

 
He didn’t have his best game but it was only a handball from the keeper that stopped him scoring.

We need a better right back who can get the ball to him quicker. Shotton’s slow with possession and this allowed villa to organise around Traore.

Also, we need at least a left winger, possibly a no10. Downing should have been stepping up more with extra space created by them doubling up on Traore.
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Muttley Posted on 16/05/2018 20:19

Has your opinion of Traore changed after the playoff games?

 
No, if anything it has confirmed my opinion of him. In short, still has a lot to learn. He has skill, pace to burn and is as strong as a really strong thing. BUT... Guilty several times of wandering around looking a little lost, especially when moved infield later on, not as good as he needs to be defensively. It's his situational awareness and concentration he needs to improve.

Love the lad to bits, will be disappointed if he is sold.

He should spend next season with us. It will improve him no end and if he goes to a PL club (and I doubt it would be a top 6 club that bought him) he will not get playing time and probably end up being loaned out again.
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dooderooni Posted on 16/05/2018 20:34

Has your opinion of Traore changed after the playoff games?

 
No, he's still the same player who can rip apart defences and has world class speed.

Villa played exactly how we did, but everyone ahead of their back four was better than their Boro counterpart.

Jedinak shielded the back four, Grealish, Hourahan, Adomah and Snodgrass all got forward and Grabban held the ball up so the midfield could support him. If those around Traore had exploited the space that came as a result of them crowding Adama then we'd have created chances. As it was, they didn't exploit it and our slow play allowed Villa to reshape.

We need to address this issue even if Adama stays, if he goes then it just makes it an even bigger priority to buy an entire attacking unit.
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BoroInNC Posted on 16/05/2018 20:36

Has your opinion of Traore changed after the playoff games?

 
He was marked out of the game, didn't get the ball deep enough (or assume deep enough positions) most of the time to get to full speed, and was working alongside a one-dimensional midfield of absentees and Mark Proctors.
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Dibzzz Posted on 16/05/2018 20:39

Has your opinion of Traore changed after the playoff games?

 
I thought he was well below par in both playoff games.

But so were the rest of them.
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block_4_Eastender Posted on 16/05/2018 20:52

Has your opinion of Traore changed after the playoff games?

 
If he goes we need a good sell on clause that would be my main aim.
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Fluffy-Carpet Posted on 16/05/2018 22:00

Has your opinion of Traore changed after the playoff games?

 
Can't be XXXXXXd reading the thread because so many people have made their minds up. He has been outstanding and our only creative threat. Just imagine what he would be like with a balanced attacking side. If Traore doesn't excite you at a football match then f*ck knows what will? I think to many people love footballers who do crunching tackles and get stuck in.
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HolgateCorner Posted on 16/05/2018 22:48

Has your opinion of Traore changed after the playoff games?

 
No, my opinion of Adama is still as high as it gets.

First leg despite having four men tracking him he still had a decent game and was still our most dangerous threat.

Second leg I’ve yet to see because I was travelling yesterday evening but from the highlights he looked as if he was cheated out of a goal by the keeper deliberately handballing outside the box.

The kick and rush brigade on here will all get over this play off defeat and Adama will still be our best player.
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legz Posted on 16/05/2018 22:53
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Has your opinion of Traore changed after the playoff games?

 
No....I still think he has come on leaps and bounds under Pulis and his performances in the play off games was down to poor support and the fact he is now seen as such a big threat teams put more than one player on him or kick him to bits. Which also goes to show how much his mentality has come on too. At villa away earlier in the season he got sent off....these 2 games he kept his cool. Going to be an epic player..he's still young and learning.
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HolgateCorner Posted on 16/05/2018 23:01

Has your opinion of Traore changed after the playoff games?

 
Good post legz [^]
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Starbuck Posted on 16/05/2018 23:51

Has your opinion of Traore changed after the playoff games?

 
Great talent who will get better
I really hope he stays
If we could get one more player of similar ability into our team we will walk this League next year
Wolves pretty much had that and were best team by far
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sambadance Posted on 17/05/2018 06:33

Has your opinion of Traore changed after the playoff games?

 
Exciting when he has room to play in and if he stays on his feet.
Has potential.
Another season with us, with some genuine attacking midfielders would help.
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alanmoodysdog Posted on 17/05/2018 12:04

Has your opinion of Traore changed after the playoff games?

 
my late dad called Big John a carthorse, Souness a liability, Juninho . no wilfy mannion....but still cheered them all on every game he went to...my guess is he would call Traore a headless chicken...what did he know
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coluka Posted on 17/05/2018 12:18

Has your opinion of Traore changed after the playoff games?

 
My opinion of him has changed, but not since the play offs, it is since Pulis has coached him.

A few on here rightly pointed out that when he was being closely marked it left at least 2 or possibly 3 others with more space, we were not clever enough to use it. Too often players don’t make runs, drag defenders around or anticipate opportunities (I know we have championship players) The top 4 teams exploit that far better than we do. Bamford is an excellent example of a forward who is mobile, always moving around defenders looking for and creating gaps for himself or others to exploit.

Unfortunately many team mates are slower of thought, or like Britt static until the ball is put somewhere for him to then work the channels, he does not anticipate or create that yard of space like Paddy does.
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MaggieThatcherRules Posted on 17/05/2018 12:24

Has your opinion of Traore changed after the playoff games?

 
Coluka,

Exactly this!
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wombledon Posted on 17/05/2018 14:25

Has your opinion of Traore changed after the playoff games?

 
As many others have pointed out and I have mentioned elsewhere, Traore's lack of impact seemed more down to the fact that Villa made every effort to stop him and the same focus wasn't applied to our other players. That is a testament to how ineffective the others were.

We simply didn't get enough men in advanced positions and take advantage of the extra space on the opposite side of the pitch.

Downing moved inside and made everything more crowded. Friend tried to get up and support but he's not the George of old and doesn't have the same engine. He also has never been the best in the final third.

Instead of keeping Downing wide and moving Besic and Howson into advanced positions and stretching the Villa midfield, we just allowed everything to be congested. Which is everything that Villa wanted.

Grealish was excellent in tracking back with Jedinak and helping Hutton. As a team they boxed off all his angles. As a team we didn't create the extra angles for him.

I think major investment is needed in central midfield to address our lack of energy and creativity in this area. We also need another winger. We also need to keep hold of Traore.
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bear66 Posted on 17/05/2018 14:29

Has your opinion of Traore changed after the playoff games?

 
I thought he made the wrong decisions in the home leg and just ran into trouble. In the away leg he did better but his crossing was dreadful.
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UKLL1981 Posted on 17/05/2018 15:10

Has your opinion of Traore changed after the playoff games?

 
His potential is phenomenal as is his athletic ability. His decision making and delivery needs work, talk of getting £30m or £40m for him now is ludicrous, never in a million years does a championship player who’s put together half a decent season command that sort of fee. He needs more alongside him, Bruce knew if you defend deep against him and crowd him out he’s ineffective. We need a genuine attacking CAM or second striker in the middle to get the most out of Traore or even move him.
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smoggieboy Posted on 17/05/2018 16:34

Has your opinion of Traore changed after the playoff games?

 
i honestly cant decide.
hutton was on a booking and we didnt seem to focus our play through traore (i would of had him running at him from distance to encourage a late tackle and a red)
if anything we avoided using traore 2nd half.

i felt traore was trying too hard, always wanted to take on 2 men instead of pass and move into space.

probably a 30m player going into the playoffs, probably worth 20m now based on potential.
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Indeedido Posted on 17/05/2018 22:46

Has your opinion of Traore changed after the playoff games?

 
Spot on Coluka and MTR.
We need more intelligent players on the pitch to create space for Traore and to use the space created by Traore.

Bamford is the only current player with a brain and technique in the final third.
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emerson_ave Posted on 17/05/2018 23:09

Has your opinion of Traore changed after the playoff games?

 
The real question to be asked is whether anybody's opinion of Pulis has changed after the playoff games. In the first game our only attacking ploy was to get the ball to Traore who was surrounded by 3 players. Not having worked in the first leg one would have thought that an astute manager might have devised something new but no we essentially played the same way and as posted previously Pulis was still screeching like a demented banshee at players to get the ball to him in the vain hope that he would breach Aston Villa's 'Great Wall' on his own in the dying embers of the game. It was far too easy for Villa. No sustained pressure, no imagination.
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Pottomed Posted on 18/05/2018 11:32

Has your opinion of Traore changed after the playoff games?

 
It's hard to believe people on here think he is worth 30 million plus.
Struggle to get 10 for him,
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MVBoro Posted on 18/05/2018 11:45

Has your opinion of Traore changed after the playoff games?

 
His improvement and general consistency in the second half of the season got us in the play-offs. Hopefully he will stay next year (will be touch and go) and if we get a good left winger and decent central MF, think he could lead us to automatic promotion. Could be a blessing in disguise if he stays and that happens. After thinking he could never make a top flight footballer, second half of the season proved me wrong. Think he will only continue to improve but needs to play regularly.
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