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MightyDuck Posted on 16/05/2018 13:19
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Hopefully the government can make some money and spread this out the rest of the country

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31439 Posted on 16/05/2018 13:22

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Issue with it was that it wasn't making any money. Franchises work by being given a set amount and then spending that on running a train service. I don't see how a profit can be made without major streamlining to the services.
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31439 Posted on 16/05/2018 13:21

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Issue with it was that it wasn't making any money. Franchises work by being given a set amount and then spending that on running a train service. I don't see how a profit can be made without major streamlining to the services.
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go_nads Posted on 16/05/2018 13:26

East Coast Mainline

 
Well there is something fundamentally wrong with the way the service is ran then?

we have the highest rail fares in Europe, the trains are rammed and aren't of particularly modern design.

If East Coast can't make a profit, the questions should be why not? Or is this just another case of the elite being able to direct monies from the public to their own coffers?
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Muttley Posted on 16/05/2018 13:28

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Tax payers money being spent bailing out a private company?

Chris Grayling says "it is not their fault their parent company got its sums wrong".

It certainly isn't mine or yours either, let the "parent company" take the hit. Disgraceful use of public funds.
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Parkys_Centre_Parting Posted on 16/05/2018 13:29

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Its not that they don't turn a profit, they do, as proven the last time East Coast was in public hands.

The issue is that it doesn't make them enough profit. Stagecoach/Virgin over bid in order to get the contract and then dropped it as soon as it became clear it was going to be the cash cow they thought it would.

But lets not forget, private = good / public = bad.

[rle]
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Barney_Rubble Posted on 16/05/2018 13:39

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My interest will be the pricing of the new public companies.

EastCoast ran the line until Virgin were given the franchise. Prices were reasonable and although not the most modern carriages they were clean enough and reliable.

The price hike since Virgin took over is noticeable (so much so I check if I can do the journey on Grand Central first).
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TABLOID_MAN Posted on 16/05/2018 18:13

East Coast Mainline

 
"The price hike since Virgin took over is noticeable"

You sure that wasn't down to the across the board rail fare increases that have been happening year on year? I've been doing Darlo to London & back weekly since 2014, and I can't say it's more than about £20 a week more now than it was 4 years ago.

G/F got a ticket recently, 6 weeks in advance, down on a Thurs night & back on a Sunday - £40 return. Couldn't drive it for that.
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Wev1 Posted on 16/05/2018 18:31

East Coast Mainline

 
The sent in a bid price based on a Network Rail commitment that they would sort out the tracks so they could run more trains.

Network Rail being a very poorly ran public company didn't do what they said so Virgin and Stagecoach pulled out, and rightly so.

The service will probably get worse now or bleed money now it's going into public hands.
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Foggysfplandiet3 Posted on 16/05/2018 18:37

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Interesting to see the new public railway is going to be called the London and North Eastern; Apple green engines and teak coaches, hopefully.......[;)]
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sambaDTR Posted on 16/05/2018 18:42

East Coast Mainline

 
Notice they mention this the day after Boro are not going to Wembley.
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Blind_Boy_Grunt Posted on 16/05/2018 18:42

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"The service will probably get worse now or bleed money now it's going into public hands."

Which of course didn't happen last time it was nationalised. We got a better service and money in the national coffers.
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redwurzel Posted on 16/05/2018 18:49

East Coast Mainline

 
Something wrong if an operator can't make a profit on the main East Coast Line - it connects the capital of England with Scotland. Its fast, electrified, has lots of major corporate offices around its stations at King Cross and Edinburgh, lots of significant branches feeding it
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Sortie Posted on 16/05/2018 19:16

East Coast Mainline

 
Can we be certain they didn't get their sums wrong on other franchises and aren't making more profits than they planned?
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Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 16/05/2018 19:30

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Is this the service that was making money pre privatisation?
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Wev1 Posted on 16/05/2018 19:32

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"Which of course didn't happen last time it was nationalised. We got a better service and money in the national coffers."

Yes of course we did, so why are we desperate to hand it over to someone else at any opportunity?

Bet we didn't "make" anywhere near what we were paid by someone else to take it over.

Service standards aren't going to change a lot, if anything they're expected to get worse as population goes up. Even more so with lines deteriorating, cable theft going up and NR being so inept and blowing fortunes due to ridiculous policies they've implemented onto themselves.
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The_same_as_before Posted on 16/05/2018 19:34

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yep
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Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 16/05/2018 19:42

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'you couldn't drive it for that'

A woosh surely [:D]
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redwurzel Posted on 16/05/2018 19:45

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Ref desire to put it in Private operators hands

I would guess the Government wants a private operator because it does not trust it run in public hands long term. Myself if there is a strong regulator it could easily be run by a public sector operator. A public sector operator would have to ability to plan longer term and saves wasted cash on the bidding processes for all. Its not the 1970s Public operators are different from then.
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FartingGnome Posted on 16/05/2018 19:58
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tabloid man doesn't half talk a load of crap.

All of that post is pure fantasy.

Welcome to Geno Fairyland.
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Sortie Posted on 16/05/2018 20:24

East Coast Mainline

 
Got an e-mail off them earlier.

"It has been announced today that on the 24th June 2018 the East Coast Main Line will transition to be operated by LNER - London North Eastern Railway.

The service will continue to run as normal. Your travel plans won’t be affected and all train times and customer experience will remain the same.

Any tickets you have already purchased for Virgin Trains East Coast will be valid with LNER and you can continue to purchase tickets as normal.

We’ve loved serving you for the last three years and know the business is in a really good position thanks to the positive transformation we’ve started."

I doubt if passengers will be sorry to see the change.

I'd ban them from tendering for any franchises in the future.

You can see them winning when it's re-tendered. I'd also prevent First Group from tendering as they're planning to start up a rival service from Edinburgh-Morpeth-Newcastle-Stevenage-Kings Cross by 2021.

Unless it's renationalised I'd also allow LNER to tender as a Government owned company.
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Muttley Posted on 16/05/2018 20:48

East Coast Mainline

 
This is how no cost re-nationalisation would work. As franchises come to an end simply take them back into national ownership.

Easy.
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TABLOID_MAN Posted on 16/05/2018 20:52

East Coast Mainline

 
"All of that post is pure fantasy."

Put your e-mail up and I will send you some screen shots of my booking history from the VTEC site
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