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Boro_Legend Posted on 16/05/2018 00:02
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Middlesbrough boss Tony Pulis was upset Aston Villa goalkeeper Sam Johnstone was not sent off after handling outside the area late on in Tuesday's Championship play-off semi-final second leg.

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Harbottle Posted on 16/05/2018 07:40

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I was more upset that if the keeper hadnít of handled it we could of actually scored. A red card would have made no difference for us.
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KidBoro Posted on 16/05/2018 07:44
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Why sack him? What difference did that decision make to us? None. If he gets sent off, Downing still hits the bar, we still don't score in the last 7 minutes, they still go through and we go out.

Stop projecting blame on the referee. Right call or wrong call, he didn't lose us that leg. We as a team lost that the and no-one else is to blame.

Take it on the chin and move forward
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Tuncays_Cat Posted on 16/05/2018 09:11

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I accept we were garbage last night but anything could have happened in 10 mins against 10 men with 2nd choice goalie.

The rules are free kick - but I never understood why deliberate goalie handball outside the box is treat different from deliberate handball inside the box.

Anyway, on to the World Cup!
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ExFootyLegs Posted on 16/05/2018 09:18

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Kidboro

Not projecting blame on the ref

It couldíve made s difference
Villa wouldíve been rattled
They wouldnít of been able to bring on johansen in the 89 min

Lots of things were different because of that decision
That disgraceful decision
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WoodallServices Posted on 16/05/2018 09:29

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We had one shot at goal in the whole match! They could have played " Rush goalie" and we still wouldn't have won!
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hopesoboro Posted on 16/05/2018 09:35

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By one shot I presume you mean the one the keeper handled which would have been a goal. It's irrelevant that we didn't really perform,that act denied a goal and the keeper should have been off - no argument.
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Sadgit Posted on 16/05/2018 09:39

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if he hadn't handled it, the shot was going in...
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Jimmyk78 Posted on 16/05/2018 09:39

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Best team over the 2 legs won. No complaints here.
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OneEye Posted on 16/05/2018 09:43

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"I never understood why deliberate goalie handball outside the box is treat different from deliberate handball inside the box."

They aren't (or shouldn't be) treated differently mate.

Here's the rule;

DENYING A GOAL OR AN OBVIOUS GOAL-SCORING OPPORTUNITY

Where a player denies the opposing team a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity by a deliberate handball offence the player is sent off wherever the offence occurs.

So...

Did a player (in this case the Villa keeper) deny Traore a goal or goal-scoring opportunity by deliberately handling the ball?

YES, without a shadow of a doubt. It looked like Terry would have got to the ball only because the pace was taken off it by the keeper. If the keeper hadn't have touched it then the ball was way ahead of Terry and heading towards the goal.

The rule applies to anywhere on the pitch but for keepers it's obviously anywhere on the pitch other than the penalty area. The keeper deliberately handballed, just outside the area, and prevented a goal or obvious goal-scoring opportunity.

Punishment should have been a RED card.

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Tuncays_Cat Posted on 16/05/2018 09:56

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OE, good post [^]

Completely agree it should have been a red and not seen anybody (on our forum or villas) debating that.

But I think a goalie handball outside the box should be a penalty, the same as anybody else handballing in the box. I know they arenít the rules but with only minutes in the clock and the ball going in... A red card and a free kick (with 7 man wall) isnít much of a deterrent to sticking your hand out.
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Stigmata Posted on 16/05/2018 10:07

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Obvious red card.
It's a bit late now, but has the ref explained his decision ?
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Borocelt Posted on 16/05/2018 10:07

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At least it would've felt slightly more just if he was sent off.

Only booking him was just rubbing salt in the wound. It just vindicated cynical cheating. I don't blame the guy for doing it, but the referee has to send him off.

Oh, and never mind sacking him, hanging is too good for him. [:D]
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hopesoboro Posted on 16/05/2018 10:28

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Not just saying this but he is a very annoying ref.
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WoodallServices Posted on 16/05/2018 10:40

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Justice would have been done but the Mike Dean couldn't award a retrospective goal and the crossbar would still have been attached to the goalposts!
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sambadance Posted on 16/05/2018 10:53

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Clear cut red card....was he applying his own rules?... Dean should be reprimanded for his wrong decision at the very least. Especially in a game of that magnitude.
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hopesoboro Posted on 16/05/2018 11:07

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And we should receive compensation. Let's take it to court......
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Heine Posted on 16/05/2018 11:08

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I was doubly upset I had the red card at 4/1
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Anton_Berg Posted on 16/05/2018 11:26

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There is some logic to taking the ref to task in some way, in that refs might be more punctilious in future if their career was at stake. You can't guarantee it would only work to Boro's advantage though.
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Dribble Posted on 16/05/2018 11:55

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An apology would suffice ,won't change anything but at least we would know that it was a mistake .
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jiffy Posted on 16/05/2018 12:43

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It should have been a red.

But the free kick against the substitute keeper would still have hit the bar as everyone said.

Had we equalised it would have been relevant as Villa would have used their last sub to replace the keeper and had it gone to pens it would have been 2nd choice keeper we were up against.

All hypothetical but important factors when the decision not to send him off was made.
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ExFootyLegs Posted on 16/05/2018 13:11

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And if I was a fulham fan - now having to face the 1st choice keeper who should be banned is a 2nd injustice.

Come on Fulham!
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Liamo Posted on 16/05/2018 13:42

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''Clear cut red card....was he applying his own rules? Dean should be reprimanded for his wrong decision at the very least. Especially in a game of that magnitude.''

It's only a red card if the referee is of the opinion that the ball would definitely have entered the net, if not for the illegal handling by the keeper.

Although I'd like to think that it probably was on its way in, I couldn't swear, hand on heart that I'm 100% sure it was.

You can hardly reprimand a referee for making a judgement call that may have been correct. Yes, it could possibly have been an incorrect call but that's the thing - it's difficult to be absolutely sure and if the ref isn't sure he shouldn't be sending the player off.



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Dribble Posted on 16/05/2018 13:47

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How does a ref know a player clean through on goal will score,makes no sense at all, still got to beat the keeper.Striker might be like Britt who tends to hit the keeper
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OneJobOnTeesside Posted on 16/05/2018 14:02

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We were 2nd best. Sometimes the 2nd best teams win. We batterred Fulham and got beat 1-0 late on, it happens.

We were in the game but not looking like scoring, I've seen Boro get beat countless times when the coin is flipped. They would have panicked, one less man on the pitch, something may have just dropped. Its football
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sheriff_john_bunnell Posted on 16/05/2018 15:38

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If i were to make one change in football it would be to replace the professional foul red card with a pen. A man being sent off can either be far worse than a pen or nowhere near as good depending on timing.
Fairer to replace one clear goalscoring opportunity with another.
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Liamo Posted on 17/05/2018 04:09

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''How does a ref know a player clean through on goal will score''

He doesn't have to know the player will score, he only has to decide whether, in his judgement, the player will have an obvious opportunity to score.

For denial of a goal by handling (which this potentially was, and not potentially the denial of an obvious opportunity) the equation is different - the referee has to judge whether the ball was going to go directly into the goal or not. And if he's not sure, he can't send the player off.
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hopesoboro Posted on 17/05/2018 08:48

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Why did the keeper handle the ball?
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Ticker_Tape Posted on 17/05/2018 08:54

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Liamo that's why VAR will be introduced and then corrupt referees may be a thing of the past.
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Dribble Posted on 17/05/2018 12:15

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So it was an error of judgement,as the ball was quite clearly going towards goal
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redwurzel Posted on 17/05/2018 12:40

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Totally agree with One Eye's analysis and so do 90 plus % of people who saw it, including neutral radio commentators.

We still would probably have lost, but it would have gave us a bit more buzz in the last 6 minutes.
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Thequiffof86 Posted on 17/05/2018 14:04

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The ball would not have reached the penalty spot never mind go in! Rubbish attempt to lob the keeper from that range! Still a red card though [:(!][:(!][:(!]
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jiffy Posted on 17/05/2018 14:51

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The ball had not travelled far enough from Traore's foot to the keeper's hand for anyone to know if it had the legs to get there or be caught by a chasing defender. Thats not the issue.

The issue is it was an on-target effort at goal intercepted by an illegal hand - red card 100 times out of 100.
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billybob Posted on 17/05/2018 20:32

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It might not have made a difference to the outcome of our match but I bet Fulham fans aren't too happy about it either.

He bottled it Mike Dean. Pure and simple his XXXXXX went. If the FA can't appoint a referee for such a high profile match who can't grow a pair at crucial points of the match then it's no surprise that we're not sending a ref to the WC for the first time in 80 years. I've seen better Sunday League refs than the junk that's in the top tier of English football.
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We_Will Posted on 17/05/2018 20:38

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Sorry I've not seen the offence. I thought if the keeper deliberately handles the ball outside the box. It's a straight RED irreverent where the ball may be heading?????????????????????????
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chiz62 Posted on 17/05/2018 21:33

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Bad enough he doesn't give a penalty , when the free kick is taken the wall is all of 8 yards away, the Villa players are actually stood in front of the line he's sprayed on the pitch!
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