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Adi_Dem Posted on 15/05/2018 22:10
We’ve been let down badly tonight
 
 
As a group of fans and Gibson as a chairman, we have been let down. An embarrassment to watch that tonight and I really don’t say that lightly.

I can cope with losing to a better team. I can cope with not playing well. What is entirely unacceptable though is not having a go. At all. It was a truly baffling performance that made it wash for Villa. No drive, no ambition, no guts. A cowardly insipid ‘effort’ that every outfield player and all of the management staff should be ashamed of.

I’m hugely optimistic usually but that staggered me tonight. I can kind of get my head around getting tonhakf time at 0-0. Sort of. To play the way we did after that was disgraceful.

Some big decisions now coming up. The squad needs a complete overhaul. Full backs woeful, central midfield powder puff and incapable of creating anything and forwards (Bamford aside) that flatter to deceive in one case and don’t even bother to do that in the other.

Then there’s the manager. He came in and improved us but has really blotted his copybook tonight. Is he the man for the long term? He has a year left on his contract - do we let him build something from here? Not convinced.

Compare that gutless, passionless display last night with the way the fans have responded to these fixtures. Compare it to the passion Leo showed.

They should all be ashamed of themselves.
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Funky_Chicken Posted on 15/05/2018 22:11
One shot on target in over 180 minutes of football
 
 
Went out with a whimper - played into their hands not once but two games running. Assombalonga awol, may as well not have been on the pitch. The only fella with the brain to beat that back four was on the bench for most of the two games - unbelievable! They’re giving us a right roasting on sky an rightly so, this was a real chance to have a right go and we did nothing - quite simply embarrassing and unacceptable- if I was chairman I’d be asking g questions ! ! [|)]




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KidBoro Posted on 15/05/2018 22:11
So What Needs To Be Done?
 
 
Bitter pill to swallow, but not because we lost. Just how we played. No cutting edge, no passion, didn't really give it a go.

But it's done, onwards and upwards so what needs to be done over the summer?

Anyone who thinks Pulis needs to go or us not going up is his fault needs to give their head a shake. He has made us in a strong, tough to beat side. We have the foundations of a really good side, we just need to build some form of attack.

Adama - I think Adama's and the team's problem is that we're all too reliant on him. He's our only outlet and it makes us one dimensional. Teams have picked up on this and when they keep him quiet, they keep us all quiet. We either need to sell him and reinvest the money in the squad or build a team around him with players that are equally threatening. The more attacking threats we have, the more freedom he will have to play his game.

Besic - I've loved this guy since he came here and if you asked me 3 weeks ago I would have bitten my hand off to sign him. Now, after these last two games, it seems like the pressure has got to him. Lots of mistakes, two really poor performances and it just seems like the occasion got to him. I'd still like us to sign him but I don't think he's an absolute must sign.

Downing - The years seem to have really caught up with him this season. Still got great delivery and touch but he's very easy to mark and I think we need much better options if we are to stick with the three up front.

A number 10 - Tonight's game and the constant sideways passing showed me that we need a number 10. Someone who can give that cutting edge and have those moments of brilliance. Downing could be shoehorned into that role but I would prefer a natural number 10.

I think there's a good bit of work to do over the summer but Pulis is the person who should be at the helm. He's making very positive steps and building a really strong team.

Onwards and upwards. UTB.
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Marvanelli Posted on 15/05/2018 22:15

We’ve been let down badly tonight

 
‘Then there’s the manager. He came in and improved us but has really blotted his copybook tonight. Is he the man for the long term? He has a year left on his contract - do we let him build something from here? Not convinced.’

Totally and utterly agree.

I’ve said for a while that it looked like he was very fortunate the fact Gestede got injured and he was landed with Paddy and pretty much forced to play Paddy.

His tactics tonight, especially in the second half were nothing short of a complete joke.

Pulis has let the club down massively tonight and he rightly deserves criticising.

Does he get the trust from me after tonight? I’m not so sure. Embarrassing really.
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Witcher Posted on 15/05/2018 22:18

We’ve been let down badly tonight

 
get used to this anti football next year if pulis is in charge, gestede up front and a few more 6ft plus midfielders and scoring from throw ins and corners
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Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 15/05/2018 22:18

We’ve been let down badly tonight

 
The team with the better players won. If you can't see that you may as well give up.
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Fabios_porkpie_provider Posted on 15/05/2018 22:21

We’ve been let down badly tonight

 
Exactly what Corc said! They were simply better than us! No shame in losing to the better team! XXXXXX me, no embarrassment here! We just weren’t good enough, move on!
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Jonny_Rondos_Disco_pants Posted on 15/05/2018 22:25

We’ve been let down badly tonight

 
I have no problem with the first half. Make sure we're still in the tie and then have a go in the second half only it never materialised.

Gestede was clearly not fit, the defender done well to get his body in the way when that cross come in.

My issue is playing a 4-2-3-1 formation when we dont have a good enough players to do it. Only a handful of select clubs can afford the players to make it work. Its a fashion that we need to move away from.

Clear the decks of the Karanka defensive minded players, Clayton, Leadbitter, Friend & see if Downing can be shifted on.

Midfield need to be more dynamic and physical imposing. As for the wings, we'll have to use the Traire money wisely, give Harrison his chance next season.
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Fourpenneth Posted on 15/05/2018 22:29

We’ve been let down badly tonight

 
Spot on post .....tepid weak conservative footballl

Think Pullis has worked wonders to get us to the playoffs ....but to go out like that was disrespectful to the fans who love this club.

Had his third and fourth placed team deserved to go to Wembley excuse lined up.

No problem with losing but go down with fight is all we deserve

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parmoboy Posted on 15/05/2018 22:34

We’ve been let down badly tonight

 
Pulis waited too long to make the changes, and then when he did make the changes he got them wrong. Needed to change it at half-time and go 4-4-2 with Britt and Bamford up front, and Fabio on for Shotton.
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skiprat Posted on 15/05/2018 23:02

We’ve been let down badly tonight

 
Nonsense to say the better team won, we didn't even force their hand.
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Northoftheriver Posted on 15/05/2018 23:07

We’ve been let down badly tonight

 
We were the width of the bar away from taking it to extra time FFS
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gravy173 Posted on 15/05/2018 23:09

We’ve been let down badly tonight

 
Pulis' blatent lies that we had spells in the game, where were these tonight, maybe they were when I was blinking because I've just witnessed the team have no shots on target and playing our best striker up front for 10 minutes before sticking him on the right for a donkey to take to the pitch and do sweet fa
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hamstercheeks Posted on 15/05/2018 23:09

We’ve been let down badly tonight

 
Oh here we go it's the old "more strikers = more chance of winning" argument.

When Gestede and Bamford came on we couldn't get hold of the ball because Villa had an extra man in midfield.

We were beaten over the two legs by a better team which the league table backs up. We created very little because we have very few creative players.

Besic and Traore look great against teams who give them acres of space to play in, against an organised team they did nothing.
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MaggieThatcherRules Posted on 15/05/2018 23:16
Edited On: 15/05/2018 23:30
We’ve been let down badly tonight

 
I think its pretty obvious they had the better players in the final 3rd. But fcuk me bamford never really got a chance. As for the rest of the field it was close. Obviously friend is a worse fullback than their lad. But apart from that it was close.

I'm very disappointed in pulis.

Firstly for starting Britt (both games) secondly for plan B being more of plan A. Thirdly for not being able to motivate the players for the biggest game of the season. Britt looked like he was going for a walk round Albert park. Finally for not just going for it. Pathetic second half. Spineless team and manager. Not what I expect from this football club

Updated due to tablet autocorrect going crazy
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Heam44 Posted on 15/05/2018 23:35

We’ve been let down badly tonight

 
I agree the better team won, however they weren’t a great deal better. If Johnstone doesn’t handball it outside the box, it’s 1-1. As said above we were the width of the bar from being 1-1. The goal that decided the game was a set piece. It’s hardly as if the carved us open every 15 minutes and won 4/5-0 over the two legs.

Bruce has had two seasons to build his team, Pulis 6 months, they beat us by 1 set piece goal over 180 mins.
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Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 15/05/2018 23:49

We’ve been let down badly tonight

 
“I’ve said for a while that it looked like he was very fortunate the fact Gestede got injured and he was landed with Paddy and pretty much forced to play Paddy.”

This is absolute nonsense and you know it is, it’s been debunked several times yet you continue to push this ridiculous argument.

Bamford started in 4/5 games before Gestede’s injury.

Bamford got a goal and assist playing on the left vs Hull, Gestede got 2 goals. They linked up really well that night, but Gestede got crocked at the end.

Following Gestede’s injury Pulis started Assombalonga in the next game vs Sunderland, which is what most of the fans had been screaming for. He was terrible, but Bamford was brilliant on the left again, scoring 2 goals.

As a result of the 2 contrasting performances Bamford played the central role vs Leeds and got a hat-trick.

Don’t see how that’s luck or been forced to play Paddy.
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nottyboy Posted on 16/05/2018 00:57

We’ve been let down badly tonight

 
Agreed. I am really disappointed with Pulis in his tactics and team selection for the play offs. Would like to have seen us have a go. If we had and then still lost well so be it. We created nothing. It was a real let down.
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Kezzy1876 Posted on 16/05/2018 00:58

We’ve been let down badly tonight

 
Pipe down lad, you come across as a bit of a girl [:D]
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bblf Posted on 16/05/2018 01:04

We’ve been let down badly tonight

 
Not that bothered really. Would have been great for the club financially if we went up. For the fans just another year of defeats and struggles.We need to accept if we go up we may come straight back down without all the hand wringing that goes on following every defeat. In the meantime enjoy the ride in the championship with lots of wins and points.
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Stabilo_Boss Posted on 16/05/2018 03:18

We’ve been let down badly tonight

 
Not going up may be a blessing long term. We have 2, at a push 3, premier league quality players. Other than Gibson and Randolph everyone else has come up short at that level. Downing 10 years ago was a very good player but is no longer near that standard. Adama has talent but hasn’t shown anything to convince he would be consistently effective against decent sides. Without a massive investment we would probably have been whipping boys again.

The biggest surprise to me (or maybe not) is how consistently people overrate our squad. We were absolutely woeful last season. We got 28 points (fewer than any of this year’s bottom 3), the least amount of wins and scored the least amount of goals. We then lost one half of our center back partnership, one half of our centre mid partnership and the only two players who scored any goals... and yet people still thought we would walk the league.

Even with the levels of investment, it was always going to be a huge ask. You either appoint a coach like Monk with the long term in mind or you don’t appoint him at all. To switch direction completely 6 months in just smacks of more inept decision making from the top. I’m not sure if there’s any clear vision for this club if I’m honest.
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Nero Posted on 16/05/2018 05:16
Edited On: 16/05/2018 05:46
We’ve been let down badly tonight

 
You lot are an embarrassment yourselves. Talk about reacting like a bunch of kids.

Villa are a better side and handled the game well. To state the players didn't try is a joke and shows emotions ruling.

Boro were about the 5th or 6th best team in the league this season and it showed.
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HolgateCorner Posted on 16/05/2018 05:40

We’ve been let down badly tonight

 
Lennie Lawrence once said after a premier league defeat that it can look as if your players are not trying or giving it a go because the opposition are just better than you.

Sometimes, Adi Dem and you other gentlemen on here, you just get beaten by the other team.
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heaton_mersey_boro Posted on 16/05/2018 06:43

We’ve been let down badly tonight

 
"Boro were about the 5th or 6th best team in the league this season and it showed"

And that sums it up. We were / are not good enough this season.....and our form against the top 6 - all season - highlights this.

We now have a platform to build on, but need 5-6 players in and out.....with creativity a must.

Interesting times ahead....

UTB
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glover_elbow Posted on 16/05/2018 06:47

We’ve been let down badly tonight

 
Agreed was expecting pulis to come up with something original tactically over two legs but we utterly predictable. Lots of disappointments traore was poor besic even worse toothless in attack. Really expected more from pulis
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Abel_Tasman Posted on 16/05/2018 06:49
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We’ve been let down badly tonight

 
We weren't let down tonight. We were let down last Summer.

The problem with the season all point back to the building of the team last Summer. The buys that Monk made, perhaps in conjunction with Bausor, were not what was required. Apart from Randolph none were successful. Even Assombolonga patchy in form failed to live up to his early promise. Braithwaite, Christie, Fletcher, Johnson, Howson - all underwhelming. We could see from almost the first month that there wasn't a spark in the side.
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Pinkers Posted on 16/05/2018 06:53

We’ve been let down badly tonight

 
I've been pleased with our progress under Pulis comes across as a great guy with a great attitude, but dear me, that has raised some serious questions about his competence.

It was obvious from the first leg what that selection and tactics would achieve at Villa Park, i.e. nothing. Unforgiveable that he completely failed at any point in the 180+ minutes to set the team up properly. Our limitations are well documented, so why did we not attempt to overcome them?

It's not enough for me to say 'Villa were the better team'. There was nothing to fear there. Man City were the better team when he went there in the cup and won 2-0 as well, but the team had the right attitude that day. The attitude was all wrong last night and that comes down from the manager. We should have come flying out the blocks and thrown everything at them. They are bang average, and going out with a whimper is disrespectful to the chairman and the fans.
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TABLOID_MAN Posted on 16/05/2018 07:30

We’ve been let down badly tonight

 
Touchline reporter on Talksport was saying that with 5 mins to go you would expect Pulis to be urging everyone forward for a last throw of the dice - yet he was apparently screaming at the defence to keep their shape. They were baffled why he would not be throwing everyone forward when you are just minutes away from going out. Have to say I agree.
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bear66 Posted on 16/05/2018 07:35

We’ve been let down badly tonight

 
A loser (or drawer at best) in big games. Worrying.
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KingOfTheTribes Posted on 16/05/2018 08:11

We’ve been let down badly tonight

 
Did we have a shot on target? If not that is inexcusable.
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DoomOnHorseback Posted on 16/05/2018 08:17

We’ve been let down badly tonight

 
As alluded to earlier, Pulis will have a well organised team next year. Maybe at the expense of flair and creativity.
I don't think the way his teams play are cut out for a play-off semi final two leg affair's.
However, you've got to fancy him to be picking up an average of 2 points a game next season once he's had another transfer window.
The question is, do we want to grind out the season and get automatic promotion playing unfashionably efficient football, or take a gamble on someone else with a different style, ideology, bedding in period and all that comes with a change of manager?
Backroom staff overhaul. Ready made excuses about wanting a couple of transfer windows to shape his squad. The risk that it might go completely south?
I'd prefer the former. Might not be ideal, but I have confidence that we'll be in and about the automatic mix next season.
4 or 5 in's and out's, and we'll be a very strong side in this division.
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Linthorpe_Exile Posted on 16/05/2018 08:29

We’ve been let down badly tonight

 
Some interesting comments BTL in the guardian match report.....

Link: Villa 0 Boro 0
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OneEye Posted on 16/05/2018 08:38

One shot on target in over 180 minutes of football

 

Loving how most people are feeling sorry for the chairman. "If I was chairman I'd be asking questions", "The chairman has been let down badly" etc, spouted all over this thread.

Most of you are too blind to see that it's our "Mr Loyal" chairman who is largely to blame.

He is the one who appoints managers, he is the one who allows a structure where our recruitment is done by a couple of blokes who don't have a clue about recruiting players. He is the one who stands by Downing when the spoilt brat kicks off when not in the team. He is the one who said we wanted to smash the league in the smug style that gave every club in the division the incentive to beat us.

The club is a mess from top to bottom and the three main issues - 1. Having a poor recruitment team, 2. Giving Downing the freedom of the club, 3. Hiring and firing of managers - are all down to Steve Gibson.

Praise him all you like for the brilliant things he's done in the past, I'm with you, but don't feel sorry for him for what has gone on in recent seasons when he's the main man behind it. To give something like £100m during the last two summers to those muppets who recruit players is unforgivable.

To delay getting rid of Karanka, then give the job to Steve Agnew, then appoint Garry Monk when managers like Neil Warnock were available, is again unforgivable.

We have a couple of players out on loan that cost more than most Championship teams put together.

The current situation is a mess, and it's largely down to Gibson. If he doesn't address it this summer then we will struggle t stay in the division. Pulis must be allowed to buy his own players, not someone buy then for him. Downing must be told to leave or at least told he won't be a first team regular, he's just not good enough.

It's going to be a huge summer for the club, and Gibson needs to step up to the plate.
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Marvanelli Posted on 16/05/2018 08:55

We’ve been let down badly tonight

 
'This is absolute nonsense and you know it is, it’s been debunked several times yet you continue to push this ridiculous argument.

First of all, it isn't nonsense when there's evidence of it. Did Bamford play up front at any point before Rudy was injured?

'Bamford got a goal and assist playing on the left vs Hull, Gestede got 2 goals. They linked up really well that night, but Gestede got crocked at the end.'

Bamford got a goal and assist against Hull - correct. This is because Bamford is a very intelligent footballer. Based on those games are you seriously suggesting Paddy should be played on the wing and Rudy up top?? Or are you saying Rudy should be played up top ahead of Bamford?

'As a result of the 2 contrasting performances Bamford played the central role vs Leeds and got a hat-trick.'

Do you seriously think Rudy would not have started against Leeds if he was fit? Bare in mind Rudy played in every single league game that Pulis was in charge for (when Rudy was fit)....including starting the last 3 games before his injury...

Even last night, Pulis opted for an unfit Rudy Gestede when we needed a goal. Absolutely laughable it was.

'Don’t see how that’s luck or been forced to play Paddy.'

Don't see how you can't see it being anything other than a fortunate incident which benefited Pulis, us and bamford.
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GibbosArmy Posted on 16/05/2018 09:02

We’ve been let down badly tonight

 
Marv clutching at straws yet again to attack Pulis.

Whether Rudy played or not Paddy was playing superb. It did not matter where he played.
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paulwilko10 Posted on 16/05/2018 09:25

We’ve been let down badly tonight

 
"that has raised some serious questions about his competence."
Not to some of us, those questions were posed along time ago.

The players gave everything last night, it was 100% PULIS's fault.
You can argue when the cross that white line garbage, however, the team selection was wrong by at least 2 players and the tactics also.

It was obvious at 645 when the team was selected, it was proven after the first minute.

What really annoys me is that we did not try anything until 15 mins before the end of two legged semi final. That is sackable offence.
And to add, the thing he did try was to bring a player on that has not played since Feb and is cr4p anyway.
Beggars belief

Lets just all say, Gibson has got this wrong and start again with someone else.

This is going to get very very painful on the eye when Pulis actually gets in HIS players!
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Marvanelli Posted on 16/05/2018 09:26

We’ve been let down badly tonight

 
'Whether Rudy played or not Paddy was playing superb. It did not matter where he played.'

Yes it did.

Paddy is our best striker at the club.

He should be playing up front.

Most fans can see this as it is blindingly obvious.

To only give Bamford 10/15 minutes in the first leg and then barely give him any minutes up front in the second leg (purely to accommodate an unfit Rudy Gestede) is simply ridiculous.

It's a pretty simple game at times. You play your best players in their best positions.
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MVBoro Posted on 16/05/2018 09:30

We’ve been let down badly tonight

 
I think the two legs pretty much summed up where we have been lacking all season - i.e. midfield. We haven't got enough energy or quality in there apart from Adama, who might well not be here next season. We need the insurance of another midfield player, as when we changed it, our midfield fell apart and Villa had their best spell in the middle of the second half and created a few chances. We created hardly anything over two legs. It's going to be just as tough next year, especially if Traore leaves.
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Borobob66 Posted on 16/05/2018 09:30

We’ve been let down badly tonight

 
Talking of 'painful on the eye', did anyone watch Warnock's Cardiff?
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paulwilko10 Posted on 16/05/2018 09:32

We’ve been let down badly tonight

 
"I think the two legs pretty much summed up where we have been lacking all season - i.e. midfield"
He brought in a defensive midfielder and got rid of an attacking one, says it all really

Braithwaite 100% would have scored more than Besic, so what was the point?
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Adi_Dem Posted on 16/05/2018 10:06

We’ve been let down badly tonight

 
Some real nonsense on this thread.

We may have been beaten by a better side over two legs. They finished higher than we did and won. At face value all of that is true. And most folk on here won't have a problem with being beaten by a better side. It happens. That's not my gripe.

I'm sure the players tried. I'm sure they ran and tackled as hard as they could. That wasn't the problem either. Yes, there is a lack of quality in the side as well. Guess what? That wasn't even the problem.

Here's the problem. We were gutless. There was absolutely no courage in the performance. No risks were taken for fear of what exactly? Last night we didn't try to hurt them. We were cowards. From the manager through every single player bar possibly the keeper and Fry. I'll let them off.

The football we played last night was that of a team that was defending a comfortable lead, not one trying to get a goal (a single XXXXXX goal) back. Sideways passing followed by a hoof. Nobody tried the risky pass, nobody tried to beat their opponent in a one v one. No, instead we were content to leave our best striker on the bench, play sideways football and put absolutely no pressure on them at all.

Put simply, we didn't have a go at any stage in the game last night. We were absolutely miles away. That's why we were let down. Not because we narrowly lost to a marginally better side.
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Adi_Dem Posted on 16/05/2018 10:20

We’ve been let down badly tonight

 
"Braithwaite 100% would have scored more than Besic, so what was the point?"

Braithewaite asked to leave.
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Muttley Posted on 16/05/2018 10:30

We’ve been let down badly tonight

 
Hyperbole!

"let down badly"

When we made the playoffs I didn't think there was a team that we would easily beat in there. We gave them a game they were just too good (as would Fulham have been if Paddy hadn't scored that late goal. It would have been touch and go against Derby.

Al through the season we have not been good enough against the top teams in the league we didn't deserve to win last night nor on Saturday. If we had, say Britt's header goes either side of Johnstone and Jedinak hits the post, we would have spent a lot of money to get to Wembley and lost to Fulham. I really don't see anything to get agitated or angry over. We tried lobbing balls into the area and their defence picked them off like a monkey picking fleas off its mate's asre.
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Adi_Dem Posted on 16/05/2018 10:32

We’ve been let down badly tonight

 
It is not in any way hyperbolic. The stuff to get angry over is that which I have just set out in the post above. It wasn't losing that was the problem, it was that we didn't try to win.
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Muttley Posted on 16/05/2018 10:37

We’ve been let down badly tonight

 
What didn't we try?

The only thing I can think of is using Bamford as CF. Which I agree we should have.

They dealt easily with anything aerial going into the box. We tried pressing them high up the pitch and they passed around us.

I'm disappointed but not angry, the damage was done a long time before last night.
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plazmuh Posted on 16/05/2018 10:38

We’ve been let down badly tonight

 
Its a blessing in disguise..

There is no way we could compete in the premier League

with the current squad..

Id hate to see us getting XXXXXXted by the money teams..

And as Villa were time wasting from the first leg I really

hope Fulham fcuk them over..

Roll on next year..

Im sure Crouch will be on the shopping list of Pulis..

So its upwards from here on..

Id just like to thank all our fans for their support this season

At least the fans are Premier League Quality..

Yes its sad but itle pass quickly enough..

Much Love
Plazmuh
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Fabios_porkpie_provider Posted on 16/05/2018 10:39

We’ve been let down badly tonight

 
But we did try to win, we just weren't good enough. Villa were excellent OUT of possession and could play ten behind the ball to their hearts content. We simply don't have the creativity to hurt a team like Villa when they can play ten behind the ball. Their 4-1-4-1 was perfectly set up to defend
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Adi_Dem Posted on 16/05/2018 10:42

We’ve been let down badly tonight

 
The things I've set out above Muttley. There was a lack of ambition on the bench and the players played it very safe. We passed slowly, we took no risks, we played it backwards and sideways, we didn't risk men in the box, we weren't aggresive enough, we didn't press Villa (despite what you say), we could barely pick out a man with pass or cross in the second half, we didn't shoot and on I could go. If you're happy that last night was representative of the kind of Boro performance we've seen in recent weeks then that's fair enough. I can't agree though I'm afraid. If you think we tried everything to win that game last night then again that's fair enough but again you'll forgive me for disagreeing and thinking that it's utter nonsense!
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Muttley Posted on 16/05/2018 10:54

We’ve been let down badly tonight

 
"...the players played it very safe. We passed slowly, we took no risks, we played it backwards and sideways..."

Yes, that is what we do.

"...we weren't aggresive enough, we didn't press Villa..."

We tried, they passed it around us.

"...we could barely pick out a man with pass or cross in the second half"

That's not trying, that's not being good enough.

"...we didn't shoot"

I can't think of many obvious shooting opportunities that we spurned?

" If you're happy that last night was representative of the kind of Boro performance we've seen in recent weeks..."

I wouldn't say "happy" but that is pretty much what we've seen all season, so "unsurprising" would be my description or perhaps "typical", take your pick.
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bear66 Posted on 16/05/2018 11:01

We’ve been let down badly tonight

 
"But we did try to win, we just weren't good enough."

We did when Bamford and Fabio came on late in both ties. Otherwise, we made very few half chances.
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Adi_Dem Posted on 16/05/2018 11:04
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We’ve been let down badly tonight

 
We will just have to agree to disagree then Muttley. I don't think last night was anything like representative of us since Pulis came in bar one or two abject away days. Compare it to our game recently at Derby for example. Out of courtesy I'll reply to your points though:

"...the players played it very safe. We passed slowly, we took no risks, we played it backwards and sideways..."

Yes, that is what we do.

[ADI: No it isn't. Not under Pulis and not for a quite a while now. But actually that's not the point I was making. Last night we didn't take any risks. Instead we were content to stand off. To play side to side. The epitome of that was a moment in the second half which was just one example. It actually happened time and again. Shotton had the ball on the right in an advanced area. Traore made a really good run from inside to out and was one v one with a booked Hutton. Shotton saw the run, thought about the pass but instead turned back and passed it back to Fry. The absolute epitome of our gutless display. No risks, no bravery. That is not what we have been doing and it was unacceptable.]

"...we weren't aggresive enough, we didn't press Villa..."

We tried, they passed it around us.

[ADI: Britt running around like an idiot up front on his own does not constitute pressing. We didn't do it aggressively enough, we were on our heels, we were slow to the man and we did not do it collectively. You say they passed it aroun us, I say we let them.]

"...we could barely pick out a man with pass or cross in the second half"

That's not trying, that's not being good enough.

[ADI: No, it's not. These players are good enough to play these passes. I've seen it. They fell well short of the standards that I have seen with my own eyes. It also goes back to the point above. The passes were slow, laboured and risk averse. Very, very poor.]

"...we didn't shoot"

I can't think of many obvious shooting opportunities that we spurned?

[ADI: You're right that we barely created a chance to shoot. That much is true. When we were in positions to shoot though or cross, we were instead adopting the safety first approach and going across or backwards.]
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paulwilko10 Posted on 16/05/2018 11:15

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"Braithewaite asked to leave."

Maybe so, but why? Probably because Pulis did not fancy him?

We're guessing though
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emerson_ave Posted on 16/05/2018 11:19

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Adi_Dem I have been unconvinced from the moment he was appointed that Pulis will be here next season. I remain unconvinced. A friend texted me as I was getting into my car last night to say that that Pulis had said that he would be sitting down with the Chairman to decide about changes to be made and so it sounded like he's staying. Let's just see what transpires over the next few weeks.

Pulis was brought in because it was the Chairman's view that the previous manager had not got the best out of the players at his disposal. I think he will be similarly disappointed with our performance under Pulis. It is a myth that we 'massively' improved under him. We took 6 more points in the second half of the season than the first. The Chairman is first and foremost a fan and his view of the first leg of the semi will have been the same as mine that we were not good enough and that we needed to substantially improve in the second leg. We didn't.

At the Villa game at Christmas at half time a Times reporter asked me my view of Pulis appointment. He quoted something I said in an article he wrote which was 'when your whole plan is plan B where do you go from there?' What I saw last night reinforced me in this view. The same reporter asked me what I thought of Pulis' comments about understanding the area as he came from Newport, a steel town. I said there was no doubt he was good at PR. I thought the same when I heard he had somehow found the time in the lead up to the play-offs to go bike riding to Saltburn.

If Pulis is in the dug-out in August I can live with it and if we are a few points out of the play-offs at Christmas I won't be panicking.
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paulwilko10 Posted on 16/05/2018 11:21

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Adi is right. Dont often agree because he talks nonsense (his fav word) normally [:D]

Seriously though, look at when Friend went in on the keeper. He looked up, saw NOBODY in the box, lost control and then the foul.

Had he seen 3 or 4 players in the box, he may have passed before losing control.

This lack of getting players forward is down to the manager, there is no doubt about that.

We gave Villa absolutely nothing to think about, NOTHING!
It really was a walk in the park.

You only have to listen to the neutrals to know why we were lacking last night.

A west Ham ST holder contacted me half way through asking if we were the team 1 nil up, it was that obvious.

So, the question is, why did Pulis not see it and try and do something about it?
The answer is obvious, that is the way he is and is what we have to look forward to next season.
It is going to be a grind thats for sure!
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hewielewie Posted on 16/05/2018 11:27

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Traore was free just on the edge of the six yard box if George could have chipped it to him.
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paulwilko10 Posted on 16/05/2018 11:28

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"Traore was free just on the edge of the six yard box if George could have chipped it to him."

Say no more
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bear66 Posted on 16/05/2018 11:30

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"He looked up, saw NOBODY in the box"

There were two players in the box. Assombalonga was in a very good position to receive the ball. I'm not sure he was looking but just kept going.
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Derek_Duvall Posted on 16/05/2018 11:30

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We played last night as we did under Karanka, yet he is held up by many as some kind of football genius whilst Pulis is a dinosaur. Go figure!
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paulwilko10 Posted on 16/05/2018 11:31

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I wasn't Karankas biggest fan either
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ExFootyLegs Posted on 16/05/2018 11:38

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Adi - cant be bothered to read to your post once I read 'both full backs awful' ; Friend was superb last night both attacking and defending. His passing was excellent.

I think your a bit of a drama queen. The squad needs tinkering if we can keep adama and Besic. 6th place will all the upheaval pulis has had to deal with.
calm yourself down.
Hope that hasn't pricked your ego too much.
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emerson_ave Posted on 16/05/2018 11:44

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'We played last night as we did under Karanka, yet he is held up by many as some kind of football genius whilst Pulis is a dinosaur. Go figure!'

Nonsense. There were never as much poor passing and hopeful long balls under Karanka as there was last night.

Karanka was mostly successful in his methods for all but a few months of the 3 and a half years as manager. In his play-off semi final we scored 5 goals. In this one we hardly had a shot on target.
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ExFootyLegs Posted on 16/05/2018 12:09

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Emerson – honestly, are you part of a long line of boro fans who just don’t get football generally ?

Here’s what happened over the two games in a nutshell ; Villa go a goal up ; know we are a good team and sit back to park the bus for 75 mins at our place and 90 mins at their place. We have no centre forward with the presence to hold the ball and bring others (full backs and midfielders) into the play which in turn creates opportunities has the opposition on the back foot and then prone to errors.
Villa scored early and then took advantage of the fact that we don’t have the potency in attack that we have in midfield and defence.

Simple and their game plan just about worked.
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paulwilko10 Posted on 16/05/2018 12:14

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Didnt just about work at all, it worked without them having to try!

We were abysmal
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Marvanelli Posted on 16/05/2018 12:15

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'We have no centre forward with the presence to hold the ball and bring others (full backs and midfielders) into the play which in turn creates opportunities has the opposition on the back foot and then prone to errors.'

Instead we do and Pulis kept our best striker on the bench for 75 minutes in the first leg, 65 minutes in the second leg and then only gave him 5 minutes in the second leg to play up front.

So yes, we do have a centre forward who is capable of bringing others in the play and thereby creating opportunities.
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ExFootyLegs Posted on 16/05/2018 12:26

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Wilko - your a deluded fan mate and drama queen to boot.
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paulwilko10 Posted on 16/05/2018 12:27

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ExFootyLegs - Okay Mate, thanks for pointing it out and I am so glad you are happy with how our club is going right now.

Easily pleased comes to mind!
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ExFootyLegs Posted on 16/05/2018 12:27

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Marvanelli - whilst I agree that i'd rather have Bamford in the team last night ; his forte is NOT grappling with chester and terry and coming out on top. His movement and touch is good but equally he can often see games bypass him....
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Marvanelli Posted on 16/05/2018 12:29

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Who mentioned anything about grappling with Chester and Terry?

Bamford is our best striker for holding the ball up and bringing others into play because his touch is first class and his movement is superb.

Nothing to do with grappling.
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Muttley Posted on 16/05/2018 12:31

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"... he can often see games bypass him..."

That and splinters in the srrs are the risks of his position last night.
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ExFootyLegs Posted on 16/05/2018 12:33

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Marvanelli ; so you expect chester and terry to give Bamford the freedom of villa park do you ? There you go...bring it down and pass it sir...
I dont think so...they wouldve been all over him and it wouldnt of been easy for bamford because of his obvious lack of physical ability/strength (thats his weakness)
I'm saying that chester and terry wouldve exploited that to the max especially playing so deep and little or no space..

We needed a set piece to go for us last night (like it did for villa) or a super strike from one of our midfielders but alas, it didnt happen...
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emerson_ave Posted on 16/05/2018 12:34

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ExFootyLegs

You might be surprised to hear that I don't disagree with you. That's exactly what happened. The early goal in the first leg defined the tie. I understand that fully. We do have a centre forward who can hold the ball up or at least is better than the one we started with last night at doing so. He should have started. It is fair to say he didn't make much impression when he came on. Personally I would have left Britt on with him. The fact of the matter is we were too cautious last night. The changes were made too late in the game. The Times reporter this morning describes it as 'a strangely cautious performance'. It might have been the way to play if we had gone into the game level but we needed to score and keeping it tight on the basis that we might sneak one towards the end proved not to have been the right tactic.
It's all hindsight I know and if Traore's lob had not been handled by the keeper or Downing's free kick had gone under the bar it could all have been different. It is the element of the game we all frequently ignore 'luck'.

A Sheffield Wednesday friend texted me after the first game saying the second leg was all about nerves. We were more nervous in the early stages than Sheffield Wednesday. They kept their nerve and we didn't put them under any early pressure to unsettle them.
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Boroz Posted on 16/05/2018 12:36

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Admittedly watching on TV from the other side of the world at 5am but my frustration wasn't general effort it was shear lack of skill and the last touch in attack being useless nearly every time. Passing into empty space (Adama, Friend or Adama just not passing at all. Crosses to no-one. Over both legs attempted shots on goal (not many) wide every time. In my eyes the build up OK by Boro standards but then that sh*t last ball over and over again.
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Marvanelli Posted on 16/05/2018 12:36

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You're going on like Chester & Terry are equivalent to Vidic & Ferdinand in their prime.

Bamford is a very, very clever player and I firmly believe he would have had the skill and intelligence to work around them.

Just because Terry & Chester are good in the air, does not mean Bamford would have barely had a kick last night.

Bamford is our best striker and should have started both legs and played up front for more than 20 mins of the 180 minutes.
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jiffy Posted on 16/05/2018 13:01

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Just 1 question?

Was any Villa player not superior to the equivalent Boro player?

Except keeper of course as he never got chance to show what he was capable of as we never worked him in either game.
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Adi_Dem Posted on 16/05/2018 13:16

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Marvanelli has got it right. All you need is a pair of eyes. Or maybe not!

Bamford would not spend time grappling with the two centre halves. However, his strength and ability to do so is often drastically underestimated by those that simply don't know what they're looking at. Like EFL.

Instead, his superior intelligence and quality of movement would exploit gaps and space and allow him to be found by the hopeful long punts that appeared to be our go to attacking weapon last week. Then, his superior technique would allow him to control said long balls and his superior vision would allow him to bring others into play.

Honestly, it's pretty easy and simple stuff. But then again, I guess it's just as easy to moan that he wouldn't get much change out of a grappling match with John Terry.
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ExFootyLegs Posted on 16/05/2018 13:18

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I agree with the fact that Bamford shouldve been in the team ; but Britt scored important goals when Bamford got injured and I can see why Pulis just choose britt over Bamford although I disagree with his choice. I can see his logic. He was loyal to someone who started scoring in Britt.
Unfortunately Britt couldnt keep it up - which was my fear.
I dont think the lad is good enough and we should get shot along with gestede.
I'd keep bamford.
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ExFootyLegs Posted on 16/05/2018 13:25

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Adi ; its very fine margins at this level. All of what you state (now you seem to have calmed down) I agree with in terms of how bamford would create space.
But Villa played very deep and there is a distinct lack of space in those areas making it easier for the villa CH's to keep tight and stop creativity in that area.
Who knows whether Bamford would've done better - I think he would've done - marginally (on his own up top remember) and whether that wouldve been enough ; we'll never know...
I think he went with Britt out of belief he could grab a goal and loyalty to his efforts of late.
It didnt work and I expect Pulis to learn from it...arent we all learning each day ?

Cut him some slack - at the end of the day ; if we are honest with ourselves we arent ready to go up and this may well be a blessing in disguise because I think Pulis will turn us into a top 2 team next season.
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Adi_Dem Posted on 16/05/2018 13:31

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I was calm last night. I am calm now. My opinion hasn't changed even slightly since last night. You're mistaken if you think that it was borne out of anger. I stand by what I said.
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CheshireBoro Posted on 16/05/2018 13:48

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I watched it without the commentary last night, which kind of helps sometimes.

Honestly, i thought for 60 minutes, Boro were the better side. Tons of energy, lots of intent i thought, and i thought that once Hutton got booked just before half time, that might be telling.

For me, he made the wrong changes - notwithstanding the starting lineup, I would have sacrificed either Shotton or Friend, gone to 3 CHs, and but Fabio on, in the midfield to try and get more of the ball. I would probably have done that on the hour.

And the handball - well, the ref got it wrong for certain - it was deliberate handball, outside the area, and so it should have been a red card. That doesnt mean we would have scored necessarily - but for the me, the rule is wrong. Whilst i appreciate the offence took place outside the penalty area, i still think it should be a penalty - it may well have been going in.

I felt robbed by that moment, and i still do. But over the two games, the best team won.
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Hammies_Tash Posted on 16/05/2018 14:06

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I was at the game in with the Villa fans, right behind the dugout, every time one of our Defenders or Midfielders got the ball, Pulis would just shout Adama, Adama, basically telling them to pass to him, 99% of the time Traore had Hutton standing on his toes and Adomah (who I thought was superb) in close attendance, it was virtually impossible to pass to him, so given this and the limitations of our players with the ball at their feet, we went backwards, sideways or hopeful punts up field.

I heard a few Villa fans hoping we keep Traore on, it was easy for them to work out, no-one mentioned on here, but perhaps taking Traore off would have given Villa a different problem?

Pulis got it wrong last night, sure he will work that out and hopefully learn from it
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Indeedido Posted on 16/05/2018 14:32

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Marvanelli's posts are all absolutely spot on.

Pulis's decisions cost Boro a much better opportunity of winning this tie.
1. Not playing Bamford as the front man and picking Assombolonga who is simply not good enough.
2. Leaving it to 70 minutes to put Bamford on up front.
3. Just 5 minutes later bringing the unfit and utter cart horse Gestede on and forcing Bamford to left wing .

Besic was absolutely woeful again, showing no ability or heart. I wouldn't sign him permanently, he won't boss matches next season.
Traore was lost in the occasion again and had the other players tearing their hair out.

The rest of the players were what they are, with Howson as the invisible man.

Monk had a disastrous transfer window and had to go.
At 75 minutes we got a glimpse of next season under Pulis and it's not for me.

If Gibson has the option to part company with Pulis this summer, he should do so now, the time is absolutely right.

Pulis' decisions around this play-off have been ridiculous and if he can't motivate his players better than they were last night, then he should go.
Perhaps Sandbanks is too far after all.
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emerson_ave Posted on 16/05/2018 14:41

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'Pulis would just shout Adama, Adama, '

He's been doing the same since Christmas. My son remarked to me several weeks ago that he could hear it on the commentaries. Players have to be given the responsibility to make their own decisions without having a manager bellowing dementedly in their ear all the time.

People sometimes criticised Karanka for not being voluble on the touchline. He used to wait for a break in play and speak quietly to the nearest player who would convey the message to the rest.
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go_nads Posted on 16/05/2018 14:50

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Villa completely compacted space last and just about every team in the PL would have struggled to score with them sitting back on their goal lead.

There are of course problems with our own team, such as the reliance on Traore and lack of effective goal threat from the rest of the midfield. I'm not a fanny of Assombalonga either.

You also have to take into account that the Villa team has been drilled by their manager for two full seasons at this level and they have a defender in terry who has seen it all, done it and knows how to manage referees.

Grealish mentioned how much Terry had mentored him, I am sure this included falling over at every opportunity, ensuring contact is made and making it look like a foul.

Villa were the big side in this tie and they ensured they got the benefit of doubt from the ref.

You look at how much possession we had last night compared to Villa but look how many fouls we created.

it's an effective way of sitting on a goal lead and Villa and Bruce mastered it.

It was a tight tie, Villa just about deserved it.

We need changes in the squad but don't be expecting Fulham like free flowing football nest season. The owner wanted that, picked the wrong horse to invest in and brought in a completely different type of manager with a completely different ethos.

We look confused on the field at times, we are equally confused off it, from the recruitment team, ticketing and merchandise teams right through to the chairman.
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Indeedido Posted on 16/05/2018 14:58

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"We need changes in the squad but don't be expecting Fulham like free flowing football nest season. The owner wanted that, picked the wrong horse to invest in and brought in a completely different type of manager with a completely different ethos.

We look confused on the field at times, we are equally confused off it, from the recruitment team, ticketing and merchandise teams right through to the chairman."

Go-nads sums things up well here above.
I especially agree with Gibson wanting to change direction but backing the wrong horse in Monk last summer.

Pulis will not fix things and it will be ugly watching him try.
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emerson_ave Posted on 16/05/2018 15:21

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'I especially agree with Gibson wanting to change direction but backing the wrong horse in Monk last summer.'

Or did he want that horse to be 6 lengths clear at the halfway stage rather than tucked in behind the pack. I just looked to see where Villa finished last season 13th. It is posted as a virtue that Bruce has had 2 seasons to get it right. Monk was given 23 games and was 3 points from the play-offs and above Villa and Fulham. Maybe he succumbed to the same impatience as the fans being one himself. Maybe he had a message from Pulis and his agent that in his view he could get us automatic promotion or win the play-offs with the squad we had (a win against Villa at Christmas would have put us within 7 points of second place).

The greatest fallacy in this debate is that we have immeasurably improved under Pulis. We haven't. At times we played good football under Monk and dominated games but were inconsistent. In addition to this fans didn't like his clothes and his interviews and craved a manager who looked the part and talked the talk. More of a 'proper manager'.

We got marginally better results overall under Pulis.

The trial of 'Monk' is over and he has been found guilty and roundly condemned but the Jury is out on Pulis. The only Judge and Jury that counts may already be considering his verdict in the light of the evidence particularly that of the last two games.


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Adi_Dem Posted on 16/05/2018 15:33
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That’s revisionism Emerson. Anyone watching Monk’s selections, formations, pattern (ahem) of play knew we were going nowhere fast. He was an absolute disaster. Had the core of a promotion side, spent £50m, had a full pre season and somehow made us worse. We didn’t dominate anyone.

To argue that Pulis didn’t improve us when he eventually got us to a place where we were averaging over 2 points per game and capable of beating teams in the top half without spending a penny piece is just a crock.
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go_nads Posted on 16/05/2018 15:34

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Can't remember many games we dominated. I recall plenty of games we snuck a win whilst playing poorly, against the dross who hadn't spent the best part of £50 million on top heavy attack with little creativity.

The towers of our failures this season were cemented in the foundations of pre-season.

Every time we have come against a decent or well organised team this season we have struggled to break them down, because we don't have any creativity, guile or pace in the side.
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paulwilko10 Posted on 16/05/2018 15:36

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I started a thread a few months back about this exact thing
"He's been doing the same since Christmas. My son remarked to me several weeks ago that he could hear it on the commentaries. Players have to be given the responsibility to make their own decisions without having a manager bellowing dementedly in their ear all the time. "

I was called all sorts, but now, people are seeing what i saw and heard ages ago, strange that really!

It becomes white noise in the end.
Players will just ignore the constant shouting of their name.
How can a player concentrate on their game if all they hear is instructions for every little movement in play.

It get son my nerves hearing it let alone it being directed at me.
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Linthorpe_Exile Posted on 16/05/2018 15:53

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This THREAD is BRILLIANT [^]
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JLinardi Posted on 16/05/2018 16:03

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The players probably are given responsibility to create, that's why we see the likes of Clayton running side to side before one of them annoying as fcuck floaty hoofs forward.

I hate those passes can't fcucking stand them and it's all we have seen for the past 3 seasons. It's a cop out of a pass kind of the football version of a shoulder shrug. If it works they look like beckenbauer if it fails nobody seems to care.

Well I do, I'm sick of watching and being told players that can barely play football are 'immense' and part of 'the core'. XXXXXX off, over half of our team have shocking first touches, shocking decision making, shocking range of passing and can only play in acres of space, god forbid they might get closed down and have to play a bit quicker.

Adi is right we were let down it was the most gutless fannied out of play off semi I've ever seen. We were let down not just by the uninspired schite we watched for 90 minutes but also those subs.

What did we get by leaving Howson on for 10 extra minutes and bringing Britt off? We need 2 goals so he brings off our top scorer? Why not see how bamford and Britt play together for those 10 minutes?

Any excuse to play gestede who once again did nothing.

Sick sick sick sick of watching poor footballers then seeing the likes of Brentford play us off the park.

Spend £50m and still be stuck with the likes of friend, leadbitter and Clayton.

Our top scoring midfielder has about 2 fcucking goals

Smashing the ball up to traore and expecting him to do it all himself

Getting no players whatsoever in the box when we need goals

Awful fcucking awful
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emerson_ave Posted on 16/05/2018 18:58

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That’s revisionism Emerson.

Not as far as I am concerned. I have been consistent in this view from the outset. I maintain we have finished up more and perhaps less than where we might have done under Monk this season. Maybe we would have done better under him next season as has Bruce at Villa. I well remember some saying that we had an outside chance of promotion when Pulis was appointed. He then proceeded to tinker with a team which had won 6 of the previous 10. After the Bolton game he said 'we have to start winning games' as if we were a struggling team without a win in 10. We took 8 out of 18 in his first 6 games and 1 point from 9 at home including at home to Sheffield Wednesday who we had beaten in Monk's last game away from home.All manner of excuses were afforded to him for this -'getting the shape right' - 'players were not his type' - 'couldn't play the way he wanted them to'. I thought it was all nonsense and still do. The change of manager did not lead to an immediate 'bounce' unless it was a 'dead cat bounce'. In the second half of the season we substantially underperformed by comparison to Wolves,Cardiff,Fulham,Villa and Millwall. Others fell away badly notably Derby,Bristol and Sheffield United which helped us over the line.

I am not one for constant changes of manager so I can live with Pulis if he appears on the touchline in August. I have my doubts that he will.
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coluka Posted on 16/05/2018 19:29

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I am sure Pulis will be here come August. He was the right man at the right time to sort out Monks ridiculous mess. He reached his target, but ultimately Monks squad was not creative enough.

Is he right to take us forward. I am not sure he is. I am sure we can do much better. I doubt Gibson sees it that way though. I think we will end up with 3 or 4 decent experienced signings and let a lot of the dross go. If we sell Adama or Ben too, then they will be replaced too obviously. I hear we are said to be after Denis Kolinger.

I just hope whatever happens the squad is strengthened with pace and creativity in midfield and up front and we consign the likes of Britt, Fletcher, Braithwaite, Howson, Shotton to the history books on the shelf
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redwurzel Posted on 16/05/2018 21:02

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our squad was not as good as Villa's - moving players around would not have much impact to the end result - we could have played more attackingly and lost 3-1. Pulis though we could nick one and wanted to keep their crowd as quiet as possible

The semi final was really lost in the first leg.
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bear66 Posted on 16/05/2018 21:11
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It was a poor goal. Moving players to guard an open goal would have meant we wouldn't lose the tie in 210 minutes.
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Fabios_porkpie_provider Posted on 16/05/2018 21:46

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Redwurzel 👍
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Stabilo_Boss Posted on 16/05/2018 21:54

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"Monk was an absolute disaster. Had the core of a promotion side, spent £50m, had a full pre season and somehow made us worse. We didn’t dominate anyone."

This is the real fallacy: that we had "the core of a promotion side". We actually had the bones of a haplessly relegated side.

We were missing vital players from the team that Karanka took us up with - and the other members of that squad have either deteriorated with time or injury. There were players from that side on display last night under Pulis and, frankly, they're not good enough to go up.

I'm not saying Monk was pulling up any trees but to call him "an absolute disaster" is way over the top. An absolute disaster of a season is what Sunderland had.

He had a squad coming off a season where they'd largely been shown up as nowhere near Prem standard.

He didn't spend the money well but he's not the only one culpable for that. I actually think a lot of the signings look worse in hindsight.

He bought a proven goalscorer at this level (Britt did tick that box), Braithwaite I assume was meant to provide that missing bit of flair and creativity, Howson brought experience of the division and of promotion etc etc.

It was just a much harder task than people made out. Monk should have been given the season regardless or never appointed at all.

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emerson_ave Posted on 16/05/2018 21:55

We’ve been let down badly tonight

 
'and wanted to keep their crowd as quiet as possible'

Oh for goodness sake. Another meaningless football cliche.
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Barnsy Posted on 16/05/2018 21:59

We’ve been let down badly tonight

 
The OP suggests the performance was 'embarrassing'.

I don't really know how some people get through life if they get embarrassed about things such as this.
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