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This_is_the_guy Posted on 16/04/2018 22:30
Edited On: 16/04/2018 22:31Robert Fisk
 
 
After the charade of Houses of Parliament debate today please look at this

World renowned and respected middle east journalist Robert Fisk with the Independent has managed to speak to medics at the scene

No chemical attack - people were treated for dust inhalation and our Islamic terrorist allies in Syria made the chemical weapon story up so that we would bomb Assad

Who do you trust a respected independent journalist or a Jihadi propaganda video which is what the case has been based on to bomb Syria with politicians lying through their teeth

Link:
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This_is_the_guy Posted on 16/04/2018 22:32

Robert Fisk

 
Some reason not linking but simple search for Robert Fisk and The Independent will bring it up
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Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 16/04/2018 22:35

Robert Fisk

 
Excellent journalist. Listened to him regularly years ago but he's not given the air time in the UK he deserves.
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RedSteptoe Posted on 16/04/2018 22:35

Robert Fisk

 
I trust that nice Mr Assad & Putin me like [rle]
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clive_road_stamper Posted on 16/04/2018 22:41

Robert Fisk

 
"treated for dust inhalation"

looked a bit more than that.
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This_is_the_guy Posted on 16/04/2018 22:43

Robert Fisk

 
Anyone with any knowledge of Robert Fisk will know he is no friend of Putin or Assad - it's called the truth

If all you can do is try and smear in this way then you have nothing
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This_is_the_guy Posted on 16/04/2018 22:45

Robert Fisk

 
Clive the point is those people were being used in an Islamic propaganda video so of course it was made to look more than dust inhalation - doesn't alter fact that the first independent report out of the area is saying there was no chemical attack
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OPEO Posted on 16/04/2018 22:46

Robert Fisk

 
Former ambassador has a similar message

Link: Peter Ford
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Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 16/04/2018 22:47

Robert Fisk

 
The Stooges were straight in.

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clive_road_stamper Posted on 16/04/2018 22:58

Robert Fisk

 
This Peter Ford : -
So hes reliable then

In February 2017, Ford became a Director of the British Syrian Society, alongside President Assad's father-in-law Dr Fawaz Akhras
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laughing_gravy Posted on 16/04/2018 22:59

Robert Fisk

 
the article doesn't actually say there was no gas attack, it says a doctor, who wasn't an eye witness, says there was no gas attack.

fisk is a bit more circumspect than you in taking the docs word as the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
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Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 16/04/2018 23:01

Robert Fisk

 
and you believed the habitual liars?
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laughing_gravy Posted on 16/04/2018 23:03

Robert Fisk

 
was that aimed at me CtC?
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Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 16/04/2018 23:06

Robert Fisk

 
No, I was a little slow with my response.
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laughing_gravy Posted on 16/04/2018 23:07

Robert Fisk

 
haha, fair enough.
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Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 16/04/2018 23:10

Robert Fisk

 
Ford's not the only one from the embassies in the region to question what's being reported.
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OPEO Posted on 16/04/2018 23:17

Robert Fisk

 
It stinks.
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clive_road_stamper Posted on 16/04/2018 23:18

Robert Fisk

 
He also questioned the reports in 2017 but were subsequently confirmed true by OPCW.

Im sorry but this man carries no weight or credit at all.
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OPEO Posted on 16/04/2018 23:19

Robert Fisk

 
He "questioned them". And?
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Scrote Posted on 16/04/2018 23:19

Robert Fisk

 
If nothing else it shows how unwilling the media are to ask any hard questions of this government.

Utterly shameful affair that might yet have more tragic consequences.

Why could they not wait another day for the inspectors?

Why couldn't they discuss options, as adults, in parliament?

We allow ourselves to be led by some real psychopaths.
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clive_road_stamper Posted on 16/04/2018 23:20

Robert Fisk

 
Scrote [^]
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OPEO Posted on 16/04/2018 23:23

Robert Fisk

 
Scrote[^]
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OPEO Posted on 16/04/2018 23:23

Robert Fisk

 
Scrote[^]
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jam69 Posted on 16/04/2018 23:24

Robert Fisk

 
connection?

Link: www.nationofchange.org/2017/01/15/cheney-r
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This_is_the_guy Posted on 16/04/2018 23:34

Robert Fisk

 
Exactly scrote

Fisk is an excellent journalist and he reports responsibly hence being circumspect

I find it strange some people still seem to want to believe Islamic terrorist propaganda videos

We are being duped by our leaders
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jam69 Posted on 16/04/2018 23:37

Robert Fisk

 
agree fisk along with Patrick XXXXXXburn are excellent middle eastern journalists
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MoggasDog Posted on 17/04/2018 00:25

Robert Fisk

 
fisk is somebody i really admire... 'great war for civilisation' etc.... him and pilger are two war journalists i spend a lot of time reading, over the years.

this is very worrying.
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r00fie1 Posted on 17/04/2018 06:43

Robert Fisk

 
Poodle May rides the coat tails of U.S imperialism like an insect feeding on s***
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borobadge Posted on 17/04/2018 09:01

Robert Fisk

 
best journalist on the middle east on the planet.

its obvious whats happened, and it just shows how naive and gullible the general populace are on these islands.

and shock horror! - what about the role being carried out by 'the white helmets' - its only cost £100M so far - theyre brothers in arms with ISIS.

and then theres the bloke in Coventry ....I ask you, phuqing Coventry.
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finaIc Posted on 17/04/2018 09:12

Robert Fisk

 
"it's called the truth"

It's called *your* truth.
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finaIc Posted on 17/04/2018 09:18

Robert Fisk

 
"Why could they not wait another day for the inspectors?"

Ah yes, the inspectors that have constantly been denied entry to the site?

Or Russia blocking UN investigation because they wanted to know the findings before released to the public?

[rle]
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Cleveleyssmoggie Posted on 17/04/2018 09:18

Robert Fisk

 
If it was dust. How does he explain the delays in allowing the OPCW back in?
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This_is_the_guy Posted on 17/04/2018 10:03

Robert Fisk

 
FinaIc
As opposed to your 'truth' which is based of an Islamic Jihadi propaganda video..

Clevelyssmoggie - OPCW are going to site tomorrow.
I dont know why there were delays, I will keep an open mind and hear what they have to say when they report.
Remember though they are in Syria at the request of the Syrian government and we bombed on the day they arrived so we were never interested in their investigation anyway
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finaIc Posted on 17/04/2018 10:08
Edited On: 17/04/2018 10:08
Robert Fisk

 
"As opposed to your 'truth' which is based of an Islamic Jihadi propaganda video.."

No, I am still not convinced of either side of the story.

And the issue is you've decided and will only ever consider "evidence" that supports your narrative, as shown by your insistence that the alternative is "Islamic Jihadi propaganda video". You're biased and you should admit it.

Ask yourself why is it Western journalists have been allowed to the site within days of the alleged attack, yet the actual inspectors have still not been allowed access.
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r00fie1 Posted on 17/04/2018 10:17

Robert Fisk

 
Read your own lines.
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This_is_the_guy Posted on 17/04/2018 10:36

Robert Fisk

 
I have an opinion - that I think is clear, as clearly do you

I have disregarded the video that was put out accross the world because it comes from a Jihadi terrorist group which itself was accused in 2016 by the Kurds of using chemical weapons - is any what I say untrue?

I have already said what I think of the OPCW delay - I will await to see what the OPCW say about it rather than using the delay to fit in with a pre-defined opinion
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finaIc Posted on 17/04/2018 10:40

Robert Fisk

 
So why were journalists allowed into Douma before the inspectors? Why were Russia desperate to ensure they had access to the report before it went public? Why has Russia been reluctant to allow OPCW into the city?
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Ziggy Posted on 17/04/2018 10:43

Robert Fisk

 
American news channel

Link: Link
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WoodallServices Posted on 17/04/2018 10:53

Robert Fisk

 
Ah, the old "The first casualty of war, is the truth" in evidence here.
Do you believe Assad and the Russians? Nope.
Do you believe the Jihadi's? Nope.
Do you believe a doctor surrounded by Russian and Syrian troops is going to say "the derty b@st@rds did it"? Nope
Do you believe Theresa & Donald? Nope.
Personally I think it was done as a message to Putin rather than Assad. Bearing in mind Theresa May said herself that this goes on regularly so what made this one so important.
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This_is_the_guy Posted on 17/04/2018 11:04

Robert Fisk

 
finaIC

I see you have ignored what I have said and continue about OPCW delay which I have already answered - lets wait and see what OPCW inspectors say..

As I have said (and you ignored) I find it strange so much is now being said about OPCW delay because we have already bombed anyway before they even had a chance to inspect so we were never interested in their report anyway yet now we are trying to say the delay is evidence of Assad guilt - most odd

Would have been far more convincing if military action was being delayed to await the OPCW inspection..

As for why have they let journalists in before OPCW - seems to me if there was something to hide they wouldnt have let journalists in either (particular a journalist with no history of favouring Putin such as Fisk) and kept the area completely sealed but I don't (and you dont know)

As said I do not know and neither do you hence best to wait for OPCW report which is what we should have done all along rather than assume guilt and bomb on the day OPCW arrive..
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truthBomb Posted on 17/04/2018 11:11

Robert Fisk

 
since the weekend after UK, France & USA bombed Syria -after supposed chemical weapons in Syria were either used... or..most likely staged. whatever version you chose to believe here's the wrap now...


yesterday Israel attacked Iranian T4 bases in Syria. Iran had already warned of Israel's destruction if they do anymore "silly" things.

meanwhile Russia and Hezbollah backed forces push for control of the Euphrates river.

now Russia brings new military equipment into Syria and moves bombers to Iran. and now Israel has done something "silly" ..it has launched unilateral strikes on Syria AGAIN..this comes as Iran says Israel's destruction date is set.

It just so happens that tomorrow is Iran's Army Day, and is also Israel's 70th anniversary celebrations for which they are celebrating for 70 hours. so pretty much from tomorrow up until Saturday. I reckon this weekend is when the swhtf.

before then the next steps today are whether Russia and Iran will respond to the strikes on Syria. From there it may quickly escalate.

China will use its live fire drills tomorrow as cover so when/if the war kicks off, they are already prepared, just like the UK sending ships to North Korea and subs to Syria, and like the huge naval force sent out by America. wild times!
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Indeedido Posted on 17/04/2018 11:22

Robert Fisk

 
I hope it's all sorted before the Millwall match, we have to be completely focused that day.
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truthBomb Posted on 17/04/2018 11:24
Edited On: 17/04/2018 11:26
Robert Fisk

 
indeed, intriguing it's an evening kick off. the 2 lions squaring up against each other. life is mirrored in many way
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finaIc Posted on 17/04/2018 11:40

Robert Fisk

 
No, I didn't ignore what you said I asked you specific questions about issues that you hadn't really bothered to address previously.

You claimed it was the truth, but now you're back-tracking and claiming "let's wait and see". What a joker.
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This_is_the_guy Posted on 17/04/2018 11:55

Robert Fisk

 
Yawn..

Ive answered everything youve said - unlike you

Try reading what Ive written

Name calling aswell - excellent...!
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Scrote Posted on 17/04/2018 11:59

Robert Fisk

 
Finalc - journalists under their own steam can get places quicker than official convoys of inspectors who need absolute permission (and protection) to get access

The inspectors were on the ground in Syria when we decided to bomb. We weren't interested in letting them do their job and the very fact we pre-declared the bombing meant the inspectors couldn't safely go to the affected area.

I don't believe the Syrians. I don't believe the Russians. I certainly don't believe Trump or May.

The closest we'll get to any objective truth is through the inspectors so why didn't we do everything in our power to get them access?

Quite simply we didn't want the truth.

If the inspectors find nothing now the West will declare that the bombing vaporised the evidence.

The Russians will claim there never was any evidence.

How has bombing helped?

Who has bombing helped?
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finaIc Posted on 17/04/2018 12:12

Robert Fisk

 
Shall I read again that part where you insisted the contents of Fisk's article are "the truth"? This despite the fact Fisk himself has an open mind of the events, despite the fact he acknowledges the doctor in question was not an eye-witness and despite the fact Fisk clearly states that the doctor's assertions are in direct contradiction with what the World Health Organisation state, in that evidence exists which demonstrates "..signs and symptoms consistent with exposure to toxic chemicals"

Have you actually read and understood the article in question? No where does Fisk himself that no chemical attack took place, which is what you have claimed in your opening post. Joker is apt. Sort yourself out, lad.

Link: www.independent.co.uk/voices/syria-chemica
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This_is_the_guy Posted on 17/04/2018 12:24
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Robert Fisk

 
Read the thread again - where I mention "the truth" was in response to a comment about Assad and Putin by Redsteptoe...

Fisk's report is excellent and typically balanced which is what gives it more credibility and impact - he is actually there and independent and not beholden to anyone

Are you not troubled that there has been no independent on the ground reporting that confirms a chemical attack and yet we still have bombed?

The WHO have nobody on the ground in the region what they said is purely based on videos put out by Jihadists (you still have not acknowledged this is your source for a chemical attack taking place) - check for yourself there are no independent organisations in the area

As has been said by me and others why bomb before you let the OPCW investigate? Clearly we are not interested in their investigation.

Would it not have been reasonable to wait for an investigation?

Try not to insult someone just because they don't hold your point of view
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finaIc Posted on 17/04/2018 12:28

Robert Fisk

 
I'm not disputing Fisk's reputation, I agree he is a fine journalist. I am however disputing the claims *you* have made in this thread starting with your opening post, because it is very clear to me that you have either not actually read Fisk's article, or you have and not understood it. Which is it?
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This_is_the_guy Posted on 17/04/2018 12:57

Robert Fisk

 
Right...

I said that Robert Fisk has reported on the ground and spoke to medics
They have told him that they treated people smoke /dust inhalation not chemical weapons - is this not correct then?

Can you show me the bit where he has written that a chemical attack took place because if it is there you're right I didnt read it

I note again you ignore all the questions asked of you




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finaIc Posted on 17/04/2018 13:11
Edited On: 17/04/2018 13:14
Robert Fisk

 
You presented a challenge in your opening post for us to choose between Fisk and Jihadi propaganda. Do you not see how misleading, disingenuous and biased this is? Or have you forgotten you wrote this?

You're using Fisk's reputation to validate the claims made by other people and completely ignoring the alternative claims to suggest a chemical attack took place, of which Fisk mentions in his article.

And in answer to your question - I really don't care about waiting for the investigation to conclude because I'd rather the UK didn't engage in military action in Syria regardless of their findings.
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