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erimus74 Posted on 16/04/2018 13:30
I really do like & admire Neil Warnock
 
 
He constantly achieves over & above what peopleís expectations are of him, how many promotions has he won, even rescuing teams who were looking at certain relegation he had successfully turned that team around & to boot he is a genuine nice bloke, he told the Wolves manager in no uncertain way what he thought of him & then spoke highly of his team after the Norwich win, do his team actually play that bad to be disliked so much.

He was my choice as manager last July long before Monk took the chair, if only hey

Hopefully Cardiff get the 2nd spot too, would like to see him have another stab at the greed is good PL
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Block21 Posted on 16/04/2018 13:38

I really do like & admire Neil Warnock

 
Youíve never mentioned that Erimus[;)]. Remind me, which manager did you want before the season started ?
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erimus74 Posted on 16/04/2018 13:42

I really do like & admire Neil Warnock

 
More to do with his achievements this season Block, just thought Iíd throw that bit in regarding my choice as manager, 😃
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Pak_Do-Ik Posted on 16/04/2018 13:52

I really do like & admire Neil Warnock

 
I agree with most of what you say Erimus, but I thought his reaction after the Wolves game showed the side of him that people don't like.

Wolves had won a very important game against their closest rivals, then add in the two penalties that Cardiff missed in the final three minutes and I don't think running on the pitch to celebrate before shaking hands with the opposing manager was as bad as what Warnock was making out.
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Marvanelli Posted on 16/04/2018 13:57

I really do like & admire Neil Warnock

 
'but I thought his reaction after the Wolves game showed the side of him that people don't like'

I loved that reaction by Warnock.

Nuno Espirito showed a lack of class and respect that night. Warnock had every right to be furious and annoyed at Nuno.

It was the second time inside a week Nuno done that and quite frankly it was appalling behaviour from someone so experienced.

10/10 from Warnock that night[^]
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Muttley Posted on 16/04/2018 14:01

I really do like & admire Neil Warnock

 
He'll always be Colin to me.
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supermfc Posted on 16/04/2018 14:02
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I really do like & admire Neil Warnock

 
wrong thread, sorry!
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go_nads Posted on 16/04/2018 14:02

I really do like & admire Neil Warnock

 
I go to watch football to be entertained. You don't get that from a Warnock team,. you get a team that will break a side down through aerial, physical football.

Warnock gets results but it is really cynical football that is just dour to watch. I have a good friend who is a Cardiff fan, both him and his dad, apparently they are getting poor crowds at home because the football is so poor. They are fed up of watching the team struggle to get a goal lead and then gift possession to the opposition and sit in.

It's probably why he is able to get results in this division but not in the top tier. Firstly he won't get away with all of the antics. Secondly, you just cannot afford to gift possession in the premier league because must teams have a player or two with a moment of brilliance in them who will make a goal out of nothing, given enough time and space.

I get that Pulis is a bit old school, but at least we are getting the ball into the box and we are creating, I'm finding it more exciting than watching the ball being passed around in front of the defence.
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galway_racer Posted on 16/04/2018 14:03

I really do like & admire Neil Warnock

 
Agree erimus good manager and a good bloke (if hes on your team) but a royal pita to his oppos

Apparently not good enough for the boro cognoscenti though
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laughing_gravy Posted on 16/04/2018 14:04

I really do like & admire Neil Warnock

 
'He's got to learn that in the British football game you have manners, you have a bit of class when you've won a game. He's got to learn that I'm afraid.'

And the way to teach him those manners that class is to scream 'F-ck Off, F-Off' at him on live TV.

Very classy Mr Warnock

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galway_racer Posted on 16/04/2018 14:11

I really do like & admire Neil Warnock

 
Modern fans need to manage their expectations better

Everyone wants results AND all star football

Be realistic, even decent players are now costing £10million easy. Its a tall order to deliver what fans want and balance the books. Clubs like us and cardiff need to do what it takes to get on the epl gravy train
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Derek_Duvall Posted on 16/04/2018 14:12

I really do like & admire Neil Warnock

 
I like him even more for telling that XXXXXX at Wolves to eff off!!
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SmogOnOuseburn Posted on 16/04/2018 14:17

I really do like & admire Neil Warnock

 
Well I admire and dislike him!
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nowthen Posted on 16/04/2018 14:31

I really do like & admire Neil Warnock

 
Cardiff are far from easy on the eye but often get the job done. Personally I hope Fulham grab the second spot because of the style of football they play. Plus, Iíd rather meet a deflated Cardiff side in the play-offs (if we make it).‪
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bobbygee Posted on 16/04/2018 14:37

I really do like & admire Neil Warnock

 
Erimus I have wanted him a long time
Asked ally brownlee after Southgate went !!
He laughed " no chance he is. Not a yes man "

Pity




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redwurzel Posted on 16/04/2018 14:51

I really do like & admire Neil Warnock

 
His sides are more defensive and more big and ugly than Pulis and people complain about him.

Warnock has a good track record for results and achieved quite a lot at relatively unfashionable teams such as getting Notts County into the top flight.

When on pundit in TV he can quickly pick out a teams strength and weakness. His players appear to like playing for him. His weakness is his mouth. I could see some sparks with him and Steve Gibson. Pulis is more careful what he says and to who which suits Steve Gibson.
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galway_racer Posted on 16/04/2018 15:02

I really do like & admire Neil Warnock

 
Think thats as good a summary of warnock as youll get wurzel[^]
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coluka Posted on 16/04/2018 15:06

I really do like & admire Neil Warnock

 
He is a really nice fella too erimus74. People who dislike him do so for all the wrong reasons. They judge him on a few telly clips mostly.

He sticks up for his players, his team, their fans. He is honest, doesnít suffer fools gladly and importantly knows how to motivate people and win football matches, yet many Boro fans donít like that it seems. [:D]

Those that say he is poor in the Premier league make me smile, as he has been expected to do so on next to no money. His players would generally run through brick walls for him, I know that
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MightyDuck Posted on 16/04/2018 15:22

I really do like & admire Neil Warnock

 
i like him. would have been great here, the fans would have loved him. He builds no nonsense, hard working, physical sides who are hard to beat and must be awful to play against.
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markusbent Posted on 16/04/2018 15:27

I really do like & admire Neil Warnock

 
I actually think his habit of putting his foot in his mouth is a strength. Nobody likes him, but he takes the heat off his players and winds people up. He's a bit like Sir Alex or Jose in that regard.
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Indeedido Posted on 16/04/2018 18:10

I really do like & admire Neil Warnock

 
He would have been a great appointment for us last summer.
He dealt with the Wolves gadgie really well.

I hope they go up 2nd - a fantastic achievement if they do.
Only 3 clubs have scored more than them and nobody conceded less. Pretty good on Cardiff's resources given the end of para payments and poor crowds.
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hopesoboro Posted on 16/04/2018 19:15

I really do like & admire Neil Warnock

 
The reason Cardiff are getting ' poor crowds' is because they've always had poor crowds.
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Proctors_Perm Posted on 16/04/2018 20:28

I really do like & admire Neil Warnock

 
My single reason for disliking Warnock, stems from his behaviour in the top flight.

He starts to talk like heís part of the top managers club, XXXXXXne this and Jose that. Unfortunately he then comes across as a bit of a twerp.

That aside, what he gets out of very limited resources in this division is a marvel
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glover_elbow Posted on 16/04/2018 21:19

I really do like & admire Neil Warnock

 
I like him too think he would have loved managing Boro. My choice in the summer was jokanavic
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Northoftheriver Posted on 16/04/2018 22:54

I really do like & admire Neil Warnock

 
I really don't know where you get this 'he's a really genuine nice bloke' bit from, he's an arrogant VVanker who is fine as long as everything goes his way, but he's the biggest spoilt brat going if they don't. His reaction to N.E.S. says it all. Yes what Santos did was wrong and lacking in class but as others have said, flinging his arms around, stomping away shouting f--k off f--k off is hardly being a good example of dignity and decorum now is it. He showed just as little class as the one with the silly beard that night and showed what an utter spiteful bellend he really is.
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borolad259 Posted on 16/04/2018 23:06

I really do like & admire Neil Warnock

 
First class trolling erimus [:D]
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HolgateCorner Posted on 16/04/2018 23:08

I really do like & admire Neil Warnock

 
Warnock knows what he is doing and generally has a good record although he did fail at Leeds so not perfect.

Pulis has grown on me a lot over the last few months I think he looks to be a good fit for us and I think he is sensible with the team.

Iím always behind the manager in the seat at the time I canít subscribe to wishing it was someone else, Warnock might have failed here with what he inherited, it might not have suited him.
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erimus74 Posted on 17/04/2018 01:09

I really do like & admire Neil Warnock

 
Cheers borolad259 [;)]

Please don't think I'm having a go at Pulis because im not, I was chuffed when he became our manager & hope he stays & steers us towards the PL
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JLinardi Posted on 17/04/2018 02:12

I really do like & admire Neil Warnock

 
"Modern fans need to manage their expectations better

Everyone wants results AND all star football"


See I think this damages football more than this 'modern fans expectations' stuff.

Leicester won the league by playing exciting football but was far from 'all star'. There are different ways of playing and just because people say they dont want defensive football its assumed they want brazillian style free flowing.

Its just not true, I want a team that people actually want to watch, not because we play exquisit football but because we set out to play a game and actually score goals.

Ive had enough of being cautious and cagey and then watch a team like brentford play us off the park when apparently smaller teams 'cant play that way'.

Im not even bothered about results any more, Id rather see us get the right set up and all the rest will come, I just dont want us to set up as a cautious results at all costs team, there are countless amounts of them about already, I hate to watch them and so does everybody else.

I respected what Monk tried to do and feel he wasnt far from pulling it off, whatever went wrong there was down to recruiting, who ever was at fault for that we will never know.
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Harbottle Posted on 17/04/2018 06:10

I really do like & admire Neil Warnock

 
He is a football character but heís no Barry Fry [:D]
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r00fie1 Posted on 17/04/2018 06:37

I really do like & admire Neil Warnock

 
He makes Steve Evans look like the Sugar Plum Fairy[^]
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RC92 Posted on 17/04/2018 07:44

I really do like & admire Neil Warnock

 
"He showed just as little class as the one with the silly beard that night and showed what an utter spiteful bellend he really is."
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Warnock's reaction wasn't the classiest, but I'm glad he reacted the way he did.

Every time the camera panned to the Wolves bench their backroom staff were constantly in the faces of the Cardiff bench. What Nuno did might have been the trigger, but the Wolves staff were at it all game. I recall it being very similar against us, too.

The fact Nuno and his staff did it again at Cardiff despite being criticised after our game shows a complete lack of respect and disregard to their opponents. Warnock probably shouldn't have reacted the way he did, but he was well within his right to.

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atypical_boro Posted on 17/04/2018 10:44

I really do like & admire Neil Warnock

 
"I have a good friend who is a Cardiff fan, both him and his dad, apparently they are getting poor crowds at home because the football is so poor."

Their crowds are up by about 20% this season, against the last couple of seasons.

I work in Cardiff a lot and everyone I speak to is just disillusioned with the ownership situation, its true they could have higher crowds, but to claim Warnock has caused 'poor crowds' with his style of football just isn't true, crowds were far poorer before he took over.
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atypical_boro Posted on 17/04/2018 10:49
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"I want a team that people actually want to watch"

When have we ever had this though in your lifetime? I think we're a similar age.

Off the top of my head I could only say 96-97 (when we leaked goals) and 97-98 (when we came second after everyone thought we would breeze the title). Once we went up again Robson changed his style and we had a more effective system that finished 9th in the PL.

It hasn't happened in the last 20 years though. I also don't really agree that it was just Monk's recruitment that let him down, the players had no confidence when he was here, Pulis has addressed that brilliantly.
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jiffy Posted on 17/04/2018 12:36

I really do like & admire Neil Warnock

 
Although I agree with much that has been said about Warnock there is one incident everyone seems to have forgotten.

Whilst manager of Sheffield United trailing to WBA and having had 2 men sent off he gave a sub instructions to go get himself sent off. The sub ran on went straight up to an opposing player and headbutted him so got himself sent off. Warnock then tried to get the game abandoned by instructing his players to attack WBA players but the ref refused to use the red card again and tried to play out the game so Warnock withdrew 2 players with fake injuries forcing abandonment.

The biggest cheat of all.

Link: Cheat
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atypical_boro Posted on 17/04/2018 13:39
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I really do like & admire Neil Warnock

 
Jiffy, you say it like its fact. It was an accusation thrown at him by Megson, but his response was:

"I can say that 100% I did not tell my players to come off," Warnock said. "I was not trying to get the game called off. I accepted we had lost that game and my only thought was that we have a tough game against Millwall on Tuesday night and I didn't want anyone aggravating their injury."

He added: "I have no complaints about the sendings off and we are going to have to deal with that as strongly as we can. I don't think Georges will ever play for us again and Patrick Suffo will be transfer-listed."

He followed through with both of these players, would be a strange thing to do if they were simply following his orders.
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jiffy Posted on 17/04/2018 15:01

I really do like & admire Neil Warnock

 
I saw the tv coverage.

Th dugout was near side and you could see and hear Warnocks instructions to his players.
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atypical_boro Posted on 17/04/2018 15:03

I really do like & admire Neil Warnock

 
Fair enough, why wasn't he charged with bringing the game into disrepute then? And why did he instantly freeze out two players simply for following his instructions?
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emerson_ave Posted on 17/04/2018 15:20

I really do like & admire Neil Warnock

 
'I also don't really agree that it was just Monk's recruitment that let him down, the players had no confidence when he was here, Pulis has addressed that brilliantly.'

I still don't get this. In the 19 games up to the Bolton game we took 31 points. In the 19 games since Pulis took control after the Bolton game we have taken 31 points. We have taken 8 points from the last 18. Where is the evidence that we are far more confident. Hopefully we will see it in the next couple of weeks.
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atypical_boro Posted on 17/04/2018 15:26
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Monk was in charge for 23 games, we took 35 points.

Pulis has been in charge for 19 games, we have taken 31 points (plus he gave the half-time talk v Bolton).

1.52 v 1.63 ppg surely? Not to mention 4 places jumped in the table which is easily the biggest and most important evidence.

Our home form at the very least has been very good over the last two months.
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Marvanelli Posted on 17/04/2018 15:28

I really do like & admire Neil Warnock

 
'Where is the evidence that we are far more confident.'

I can't believe I have just read that someone suggests we have addressed it 'brilliantly'....[:D]
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atypical_boro Posted on 17/04/2018 15:34

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OK so the anti-Pulis mob are invading the thread.

Bamford, Ayala and Traore are fairly clear evidence of players playing with more confidence.
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emerson_ave Posted on 17/04/2018 16:00

I really do like & admire Neil Warnock

 
'OK so the anti-Pulis mob are invading the thread.'

I am not 'anti Pulis'. I am quite happy that we are in fifth position. We are about where I was confident we would at least finish at any part of the season. Actually I am still slightly less confident of a play-off position than I was after the away game at Sheffield Wednesday. I remain cautiously optimistic but the margin for error is slim. Our form in the last 6 games is slightly worse than Monk's last 6 games in charge (8points v 9).
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atypical_boro Posted on 17/04/2018 16:04

I really do like & admire Neil Warnock

 
Fine Emerson, but Gibson didn't share your confidence, so far he is being proved right, or certainly not being proved wrong.
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emerson_ave Posted on 17/04/2018 16:22

I really do like & admire Neil Warnock

 
'Fine Emerson, but Gibson didn't share your confidence, so far he is being proved right, or certainly not being proved wrong.'

Nothing at all has been 'proved' at this stage. At the stage Monk was sacked we didn't need much of an improvement to get into the play-off spots. Our home form actually dipped alarmingly after Christmas with 1 point from 3 games that point coming against a team we had beaten away in Monk's last game. I happen to believe that we would have made the play-offs under Monk. I can't prove it any more than you can prove otherwise. I suspect Steve Gibson believed Strachan had a better chance of at least making the play-offs than Gareth Southgate. At least we are not getting the tame end to this season than we did to that season. As I said I remain cautiously optimistic.
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atypical_boro Posted on 17/04/2018 16:29

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I said 'so far'. We will find out for sure in a couple of weeks.
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emerson_ave Posted on 17/04/2018 16:39

I really do like & admire Neil Warnock

 
'I said 'so far'. We will find out for sure in a couple of weeks.'

We will find out whether we have made the play-offs. We will never find out whether Monk would have done. I can hear the chorus of 'no chance'. To say that there was no chance is in my opinion absurd but then it is only an opinion and incapable of 'proof' one way or another.
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atypical_boro Posted on 17/04/2018 16:51

I really do like & admire Neil Warnock

 
So Gibson sacks a manager who has us in 9th, for one who (in this scenario) gets us into the play-offs and a genuine shout of promotion, but you'd still question the decision?
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Indeedido Posted on 17/04/2018 16:59

I really do like & admire Neil Warnock

 
You are of course right emerson that we don't "know" and nothing is yet "proven".
I think you are in an extremely small minority who think Monk would have got us to the play-offs, but you are entitled to your view.
You do also come across as almost hoping we don't, so you can claim you were right all along.
I believe you are a big Boro fan and long standing, but you really do come across strangely re Monk.
We were absolutely dire in that Sheff Wed away match until half time. You keep talking about it like we had become Barcelona. I most certainly didn't leave Hillsborough thinking things were looking great at all.
Just slightly less sh!tty than they had been.
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atypical_boro Posted on 17/04/2018 17:05

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FTR I wasn't against Monk, in fact I was rather apathetic about the whole thing, confused about whether or not he was a bad manager or whether the club was just rotten to the core after relegation, but I wouldn't have put much on us making the play-offs even after the Hillsborough game, and the timing of Monk's sacking was strange.

Pulis has come in and convinced me that the play-offs were and are a likely possibility, so assuming we get over the line, Gibson would have got the decision absolutely spot on.
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emerson_ave Posted on 17/04/2018 18:52

I really do like & admire Neil Warnock

 
It is nonsense to say I want to be proved right about Monk. I have been to 3 away games since Christmas Cardiff,Burton and Sheffield United. In each and every one of them we were dire other than in the second half with 10 men against Sheffield United. Maybe there's something in the air in Sheffield which produces good second half performances. I wasn't going to go to Derby but bought a ticket on Saturday night after the game. I am certainly not travelling hoping for a defeat. I always travel to away games more in hope than expectation. I have renewed mine and my son's season ticket. As he lives away it will be much easier for me to make use of his when he is not there if we are in the Premier League.
I am not going to apologise for saying again that I was irritated by the drivel written about Pulis not having a pre-season, only having one transfer window, not having the right 'type' of players.To date I have only witnessed one overwhelmingly convincing and confident performance being that against Leeds.
Pulis has done OK so far. If we get in the play-offs he will have done well. If we win the play-offs he will have done brilliantly. If neither of these happened it will all be Monk's fault except it won't.
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Heine Posted on 17/04/2018 19:03

I really do like & admire Neil Warnock

 
Genuinely nice bloke?
He might be good if you're a supporter of the team he manages but nearly every manager he comes up against says he's a horrible chunt
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JLinardi Posted on 17/04/2018 20:05

I really do like & admire Neil Warnock

 
"When have we ever had this though in your lifetime?"

I dont get the relevance really? Because weve never really done it before means we cant ever?
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chiz62 Posted on 17/04/2018 20:41
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I really do like & admire Neil Warnock

 
Emerson
"I've been to three away games since Christmas, Cardiff Burton and Sheff Utd "
Well dont go to anymore,you're a jinx , and FFS please don't go to Wembley.
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emerson_ave Posted on 17/04/2018 20:46

I really do like & admire Neil Warnock

 
'Well dont go to anymore,you're a jynx , and FFS please don't go to Wembley.'

Funny you should say that. I am obviously the reason we have never won at Wembley as I have been to each and every one of our appearances there.

I did however see us win at Halifax and Rochdale(on penalties) in the Freight Rover Trophy so I have brought the team luck on occasions.
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Indeedido Posted on 17/04/2018 20:58

I really do like & admire Neil Warnock

 
I think you are beginning to lose it emerson - which is a shame.
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hopesoboro Posted on 17/04/2018 21:01

I really do like & admire Neil Warnock

 
" but nearly every manager he comes up against says he's a horrible chunt "
Can you give us a link to substantiate this Heine?
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atypical_boro Posted on 17/04/2018 21:53

I really do like & admire Neil Warnock

 
ďBecause weve never really done it before means we cant ever?Ē

Ok, well to clarify, it it what you want or is it what you expect?
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JLinardi Posted on 17/04/2018 21:55

I really do like & admire Neil Warnock

 
Want

I dont expect anything from football.
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erimus74 Posted on 17/04/2018 22:09

I really do like & admire Neil Warnock

 
I did however see us win at Halifax and Rochdale(on penalties) in the Freight Rover Trophy so I have brought the team luck on occasions.

I was at those games too emerson, goes without saying you were there, you are a big Boro fan who has followed the Boro over quite a few decades, well done.
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atypical_boro Posted on 17/04/2018 22:17

I really do like & admire Neil Warnock

 
Well you must expect something surely? Or do you never ever criticise?
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emerson_ave Posted on 18/04/2018 09:11

I really do like & admire Neil Warnock

 
'I think you are beginning to lose it emerson - which is a shame.'

A lifetime following Boro takes its toll.
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WoodallServices Posted on 18/04/2018 11:09

I really do like & admire Neil Warnock

 
Every few seasons Warnock does really well with limited resources, however, I wonder if having a relative shed load of money to spend would throw him out of his comfort zone?
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JLinardi Posted on 18/04/2018 14:55

I really do like & admire Neil Warnock

 
Your looking way to deeply into this whole thing haha
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go_nads Posted on 18/04/2018 15:10
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I really do like & admire Neil Warnock

 
His football is dour, the antics, the gamesmanship, there no need.
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atypical_boro Posted on 18/04/2018 15:18

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I thought their average attendance was about 19-20,000 go_nads?

After the few years they've had, I'd be very surprised if anyone would stay away purely for the footballing style, and none of their fans have ever said that to me, but obviously your mate is entitled to his opinion.

"Your looking way to deeply into this whole thing haha"

Well with respect I think you are JL. You say you don't expect anything from football, but that you want the side to play a certain way, a way that hasn't been achieved consistently at this club for over 20 years, and despite saying its not an expecation its just a desire, you seem a bit forlorn about the fact it isn't being currently achieved?

We're doing quite well just now, try to enjoy it.[^]
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go_nads Posted on 18/04/2018 15:26

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My mate is talking rot, clearly. 20k is a decent enough crowd for Cardiff, bearing in mind they aren't top tier and wont get massive away followings.

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Heine Posted on 18/04/2018 16:43

I really do like & admire Neil Warnock

 
Hopes Boro Gary Megson for one

Link: Warnock
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