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temporarily_downunder Posted on 15/04/2018 21:10
Burnley - Dyche- 52 points
 
 
Two points off arsenal and a top 6 finish. Never liked the bloke, but what an unbelievable job he's achieved. He gets a lot of stick, is it deserved or is it just jealousy?
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Barnsy Posted on 15/04/2018 21:15

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Most probably do not give him stick really. Just those who shout the loudest.
To many Boro fans he's just a manager of another club, maybe not particularly liked but respected for what he has achieved.
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HugeHat Posted on 15/04/2018 21:21

Burnley - Dyche- 52 points

 
I really like SD. He’s sound, a gd manager, hates diving and is sound.

He’s good for the game we need more managers like him.

What is it you don’t like about him?
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erimus74 Posted on 15/04/2018 21:31

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Glad Newcastle beat arsenal today, would love to see Burnley finish above them, SD is a very god manager who learnt from his mistakes & Burnley are benefiting from sticking with him when they got relegated
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American_Mary Posted on 15/04/2018 21:44

Burnley - Dyche- 52 points

 
Has done a fantastic job on a limited budget and deserves every plaudit he receives, gets every last ounce out of the players he has and finds ways to win games.
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Abel_Tasman Posted on 15/04/2018 21:54

Burnley - Dyche- 52 points

 
Unless Southampton lift the FA Cup which is unlikely Burnley will be in the Europa League next season
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erimus74 Posted on 15/04/2018 22:08

Burnley - Dyche- 52 points

 
[^] Should be manager of the year for me, far better than the bloke at Man City has achieved, IMHO
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sheriff_john_bunnell Posted on 15/04/2018 22:14

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it would be fantastic if they finished above arsenal.
They went on a poor run of form after Christmas. Its especially impressive how he managed to turn that round. usually when a middling club does well over the first few months and picks up the 40 points they go into cruise control.
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Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 15/04/2018 22:30

Burnley - Dyche- 52 points

 
Remember when many of our fans thought Karanka was better?
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Emmersons_BrazillianDong Posted on 15/04/2018 22:33

Burnley - Dyche- 52 points

 
Many of our fans have a chip on their shoulder - it's a Teesside trait.

I don't particularly like the guy but what a job he has done. I really hope he finishes above arsenal and gets a chance to do something with a decent budget.
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Derek_Duvall Posted on 15/04/2018 23:11

Burnley - Dyche- 52 points

 
Good on him. Never understood the rancour towards him to be honest. He's putting a good squad there at the moment.
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erimus74 Posted on 15/04/2018 23:16

Burnley - Dyche- 52 points

 
Good on him. Never understood the rancour towards him to be honest. He's putting a good squad there at the moment.

[^]

I honseatly thought they would struggle this season, basically as they keep saying, the 2nd season is the hardest, but they've done even better, for me the more clubs similar to Burnley, Swansea, Boro, Bournemouth in the PL & doing well the better, good luck to him & Burnley
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festa5 Posted on 16/04/2018 06:48

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"Many of our fans have a chip on their shoulder - it's a Teesside trait."

I think it's true of most fans, but I notice you bring this up a lot EBD. Almost like you have a chip on your shoulder about it [;)]

Karanka and Dyche had lots of sly digs at each other during the promotion season, then you had the Burnley end of season awards where Joey Barton slagged us off labelling us w#####rs. So that's where a lot of the animosity comes from.

I remember at the start of last season there was a "premier league most hated" poll. We were Burnley's most hated club. So fair to say their fans had more of a chip on their shoulder about it than ours did.
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heaton_mersey_boro Posted on 16/04/2018 08:26

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Good luck to him and Burnley.

He's done a great job there, hasn't spent a fortune, and could finish above arsenal.

He will always be a marmite manager like Warnock, McCarthy etc. Personally, like him..... albeit at times coming across as a bit of a tool.

As for the Barton incident.....asked a Burnley ST holder about this and the dislike towards Boro and he was adamant that it was purely Barton being a knób and Burnley don't view Boro as anything. Preston and Blackburn on the other hand.......

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joseph99 Posted on 16/04/2018 08:41

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Even though he's unpalatable a character as they come (and I was not one of the many on here who slagged him off) but he's done a job that the Karanka and his lobby of Karankaphiles at the time can only dream of.

See Wolves as the most recent example.
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Exiled_in_Herford Posted on 16/04/2018 08:45

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He's done an excellent job, that said I wouldn't fancy a season ticket at Turf Moor. What is it 23 goals in 17 games played there?.
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jimstewart Posted on 16/04/2018 08:56

Burnley - Dyche- 52 points

 
He’s done a fantastic job and deserves a chance at the next level. Everton would have been a good fit for him.
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BoroBen92 Posted on 16/04/2018 08:56

Burnley - Dyche- 52 points

 
Indisputably doing an excellent job there, but I still don't like him.
Admittedly a big part of that is that is voice is horrendous and the little tiff between him and Karanka though.

Would love to be in Burnley's current position, mind.
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EpiphanyProudfoot Posted on 16/04/2018 09:04

Burnley - Dyche- 52 points

 
I would prefer a big club like Sunderland to be in Burnley's position but well done for getting to where they have with all those boring draws and 1-0s wins.

Every time they have been on telly I kind of purposely don’t watch.

Every time Dyche speaks with that gravelly voice I am glad I only have to listen for a short period of time.

With a bit of luck Burnley Bournemouth, Watford and Huddersfield will not be around the Premier League much longer and will be replaced by big clubs like Sunderland, Leeds, Villa and one of the Sheffield teams. It would make the Prem interesting again. The Welsh clubs shouldn’t be allowed to compete in our leagues so Cardiff and Swansea can be the Celtic and Rangers of Welsh football.

Big clubs should always come first.

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Marvanelli Posted on 16/04/2018 09:07

Burnley - Dyche- 52 points

 
Fantastic manager.

If it wasn't for what Pep has done at City this season then I'd say Dyche is easily manager of the season.

I'd still like to see Dyche win the award because what he has done on such a small budget is quite frankly amazing.

It's not even a one season wonder neither because he's had Burnley punching above their weight (based on spending) for a number of seasons now.

I can not believe he is 2 points off arsenal after 33 games. Quite sensational to be honest.

If I was the Everton owner/chairman, I would seriously be shortlisting him for the job in the summer.
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Exiled_in_Herford Posted on 16/04/2018 09:12

Burnley - Dyche- 52 points

 
Nice one EP, I bet they're gutted a Sunderland supporter doesn't watch them. Enjoy division 3.
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EpiphanyProudfoot Posted on 16/04/2018 09:14

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Any young manager/manager with a growing rep/ who signs on the dotted line at Goodison know that mid table zero trophy season is as good as it is going to get.

He is better off at Burnley!!!

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coluka Posted on 16/04/2018 09:41

Burnley - Dyche- 52 points

 
He is EP, correct. A bit like Sunderland and Division one I guess [^]

erimus74, I agree he deserves the manager of the year award far more than Pep ever does [^]
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GibbosArmy Posted on 16/04/2018 10:01

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"If it wasn't for what Pep has done at City this season then I'd say Dyche is easily manager of the season"

Seriously?

Pep has achieved what he should achieve considering he has spent nearly half a billion on transfer fees.

Burnley's expectations were survival. He has them in 7th, 2 points behind arsenal and 8 points behind last season's champions.

That is incredible. Dyche easily manager of the year.
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erimus74 Posted on 16/04/2018 10:51

Burnley - Dyche- 52 points

 
I don't get this love in with Pep,
He's won the league at City, so what he's bought the league at City, no different to what Conte did at Chelsea.
XXXXXXnen Wenger went a full season unbetaen as champions, didn't they also lose only one game another season, betting than what Pep has achieved, Feergie doe the treble at United & a few doubles too, Cloughie done something Fergie could't do, win the european cup, defend it & win it again.
Man City were knocked out by Wign, beaten easily by Liverpool & surrended a 2-0 half time lead at home to United when the championship was at stake.
Lets not forget what Mancininachieved at Leicester by winning the PL, far, far greater than what City have done

IMHO, as it would never be given a chance, Pep couldn't do at Burnley what SD has
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erimus74 Posted on 16/04/2018 11:09

Burnley - Dyche- 52 points

 
EP, I can see why you left the board before, you do actually need new material fella, we seem to be going over the same old conversations as before, with your constant referance to our soon to be relegated neighbours

UTMB-eriimus
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Jonny_Rondos_Disco_pants Posted on 16/04/2018 11:10

Burnley - Dyche- 52 points

 
Comparing SD and AK?

One has relegation on his CV as well as promotion.

The other has promotion.

FACT.

SD was allowed to learn from previous mistakes at Burnley which he put right. AK never even got the full season to try and fend off relegation. You could compare the head to heads between the managers.

End of the day SD is more experienced, AK admitted he failed at the Boro because he didn't have the experience to change what was failing.

Fair play to Dyche he's doing a great job within a budget.
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BoroBen92 Posted on 16/04/2018 11:17
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Burnley - Dyche- 52 points

 
I do think it needs noting that despite it still being a massive achievement, arsenal are having a very poor season by their standards, as have most of the other teams in the league.
Burnley went 2 months without a win and stayed in 7th.
Until the last month or so there was something like 3 points between 10th and 19th.

But he's still done excellent either way, as I said.
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coluka Posted on 16/04/2018 11:33

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“Pep couldn't do at Burnley what SD has“

Exactly that erimus74 [^]

The best managers are rarely the ones that win the trophies and receive the plaudits. The best ones are those that make a silk purse out of a sows ear. Dyche has done that, as Warnock has done at Cardiff
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erimus74 Posted on 16/04/2018 11:41

Burnley - Dyche- 52 points

 
coluka [^]
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boromike85 Posted on 16/04/2018 11:51

Burnley - Dyche- 52 points

 
He has done a great job with Burnley but I'm not sure he would achieve the same level of success at another club. I said that to an Everton friend of mine when Koeman left.

Dyche has a very particular sort of player in his squad. I am not sure he could keep that going with a bigger squad of better players or moving into a new club that already has an established squad. I just couldn't see Rooney etc taking to him and what he expects from his squad.

It will be fantastic for them to be in Europe next year but it could cause them to struggle. It's a lot of extra games and they might lose their togetherness and team spirit with an influx of new players. Good luck to them but I think it'll be too much too soon.
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Emmersons_BrazillianDong Posted on 16/04/2018 13:34
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Burnley - Dyche- 52 points

 
Hello Festa [^]

I suppose you could say that because it certainly does irk me more than it should mate.

I think you've raised some valid points in terms of the animosity between the two clubs in the recent past and there have been some perhaps true suggestions that Dyche never really forgave us for THAT game against Chesterfield.

But it's really when it becomes more of the victim playing that it becomes more of an issue I think or when fans feel as though we are some how targeted.

Two very quick recent examples off the top of my head (I wish this site had a search function and then I could point them to you) are the recent posts where by there's an offence taken or inferred by something which is just daft.

Like the very throw away comment made by the Millwall Manager about the money we've spent and how the poster was really impressed with their run of form up until that point he made the comment.

Or the fact that we have no boro players in the team of the month/year.

Longer-term issues like fans complaining that we were treated more harshly over the 3 points debacle, how unfair it is that Channel 4 had the audacity to say that Middlesbrough was the worst place to live in some tin pot survey or the inference that we are somehow picked on every time the town is shown in a particular light on the TV or in the press.

Another regular one:

- Ray Parlour/Peter Beagrie/Louise Taylor/Alan Green/ Insert any other football related pundit or commentator) hate us. They never say anything positive about us.

This kind of thing is raised quite regularly and yet there's evidence of all of those people saying positive things at various times.

There's just something inherently frustrating about people playing the victim card where it's (IMHO) not warranted.

But maybe you are right - I may have a chip on my shoulder about it - I don't know.

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festa5 Posted on 16/04/2018 15:22

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Ha! A very detailed response EBD [^] [:D]

Obviously you make some valid points. I just think that we're probably not that different from other clubs and towns/areas.

And the national press absolutely slaughtered us during the Juninho season, there was definitely some jealousy at the time around the signings we were making. I suspect a lot of the resentment towards the media at least stems from that.
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Tuncaythefunguy Posted on 16/04/2018 16:06

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Sunderland are not a big club!
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BobUpndown Posted on 16/04/2018 16:45

Burnley - Dyche- 52 points

 
Dyche seems to have done a superb job at Burnley.

I caught a little of a Jermain Jenas piece the other day.. he thinks they have a great squad mentality & standards are set that all have to adhere to - excellent idea: no big time charlies..

When they were relegated the first time they invested, more money into the clubs infrastructure, training ground & facilities - more so than on players.. that helped keep the squad harmony strong.. they got promoted & have progressed from there..

They stuck to their wage structure - no uber wages - & anyone who kicks off thinking they deserve more, are sold & replaced by players that buy into the club ethos..

I think its excellent to buy players to build a team & squad - players that want to achieve, to work & not just be handed the ££ for nothing..

Incentive's to give players a target is a quality idea..

Dyche & Burnley deserve much credit for the way they have setup & run their club..

* talking of players taking the proverbial - Stoke trying to sack the waste of space that is Jese - always thought he was a poor player to target..

Link: rotten Jese..
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boroboymike Posted on 16/04/2018 19:19

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Will be england manager come august if gareth doesn't get out the world cup group.
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Emmersons_BrazillianDong Posted on 16/04/2018 19:21

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I was only 12 at the time so can't remember the response of the press etc but there are a few arsenal fans who constantly remind me that they should have had Juninho so I don't disbeleive it.

I've lived away from Teesside for almost 12 years now and to be honest I know how much ignorance and stereotyping does actually go on.

Perhaps this is what I find frustrating sbout fans finding victimisation in things where there is none.

Anyway its nice to have a discussion on opposing views without things turning to stupid insults bud. Doesn't happen on here as ofetn as it used to [^]

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festa5 Posted on 16/04/2018 19:42

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You just need to debate with the right posters EBD [^]

I always think of the press conference after Juninho signed. Loads of 'experts' were claiming he'd flop because it'd be too cold on teesside for him. Prompting Robbo to quip "we're not getting him a car, we're getting him a snowplough"
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Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 16/04/2018 19:49

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Like yourself EBD, I've done a bit of travelling too, I find the people across the country, across the world, share pretty similar traits.
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expat_smoggie Posted on 16/04/2018 19:57

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If he’d been Spanish or something else then the Premer league vultures would have been swooning for his signature elsewhere.
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hopesoboro Posted on 16/04/2018 22:23

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I thought we were ignoring Epi?!
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El_Capitano_28 Posted on 16/04/2018 22:43

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Love how there can't be a discussion about another manager without some thicko using it as an excuse to slag off Karanka. Obsessed [cr]


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HolgateCorner Posted on 16/04/2018 23:17

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I think Dyche found the perfect club for his style in Burnley.

They are grateful for anything above mid table championship so he was given a lot of time to build. He is also obviously not under any pressure to play a particular brand of football.

It is what it is, it has got them up the league and Dyche is still there.

It’s a match made in heaven.
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Cruk Posted on 16/04/2018 23:44

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It's not about being grateful, it's about being realistic. Burnley have a great history and have actually won major honours unlike Boro who have won jack XXXXXX. But some Boro fans think that because you had a good 10 years in the premier league that you deserve to still be there. Face it, apart from those juninho years you were always a nothing club. When you got promoted you actually had fans on here thinking that your football would be more suited to the premier league and that you would be playing in Europe. I can't even say that your fans have a sense of entitlement because where would the expectation come from? 10 ok years in which you won a Mickey mouse trophy and got spanked 4 nought in the uefa cup. You couldn't even win anything major in your best years, so why some of your fans think you could now is laughable.
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sheriff_john_bunnell Posted on 16/04/2018 23:52

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Hes nearly done as well as mclaren did when he got us to 7th whilst competing in europe. Hasnt had to contend with the massive injury crisis we did that year though. [:D][^]
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erimus74 Posted on 17/04/2018 00:32
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I sort of agree with you, though then you get your sky head on calling the league cup a micky mouse trophy sort of puts you in the 'sky generation' category, where nothing happened in football before sky came long, nothing to compare with, then all of a sudden, bang, the most important thing was to stay in the greed is good PL, to which you've done remarkably well, with a good manager to boot, but then you harp on about our stay in the PL, which sort of gets me thinking you are a sky fan.
You bang on about the Boro over 10 seasons & the micky mouse trophy then tell us how much you've won in your entire history, failing to mention the 80's, basically you’re going on about the Boro from 1997 but little Burnley since they were formed, missing out the majority of your dire history, something not right there, you fail to mention our team in the 70's, cup runs, when we beat you at your place in the QF enroute to our SF league cup v Man City, you fail to mention when we rose from the ashes in 86 & went through the divisions, while mighty Burnley were strutting around in the 4th division, you conveniently forgot that as the 86-87 season unfolded & your team looked like going out of the league your chairmen was in the process of taking the FA to court as he thought, Burnley were too good to be demoted, not that the reason you might go out of the league is you weren’t good enough, then a dog intervened you gained an unfair advantage, played on while all other games had finished then scored late on to finish above Torquay.
Yes the ‘micky mouse cup’ you speak of would gladly be received at Turf Moore & don't kid yourself otherwise.
Who would ever forget how we got to that UEFA final, which is still talked about today all those years later & not just by Boro fans.
So let’s compare the Boro of those 10 years you mentioned to Burnley, let’s see what Burnley do year on year, let’s see you win a trophy, qualify for Europe, reach the latter stages as we did, have world class players, as we did, let’s not kid ourselves here, you ARE a smaller club than the Boro, always will be, done nothing since winning the 1st division in 1960, pottered about in the lower leagues & will never achieve anything that we did in those 10 years you speak about so bitterly, so if we're nothing club where does that leave Burnley.

I will tell you one thing, if & it's a big IF, you actually win the league cup, you will be over the moon & play in Europe & try & emulate what we did, well it won't happen.

I started off giving Burnley credit & will continue in that vein, I love to see the smaller teams in the top flight & long may it continue

UTMB-erimus
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festa5 Posted on 17/04/2018 06:22

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Cruk [:D][:o)]

Now that's what I call a chip on a shoulder!

Can't believe you've been bothered to come on another clubs board and type all that out. A club who have no rivalry with Burnley and who are in a worse position than them. If the roles were reversed I wouldn't be giving Burnley a second thought. Very strange.
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r00fie1 Posted on 17/04/2018 06:36

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Fantastic history?
Before or after the First World War last century?
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EpiphanyProudfoot Posted on 17/04/2018 06:38

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Silly debate.

I saw them twice last year and struggled to stay awake. Hoof, foul, stop, start, give away free kick, regroup, waste some time. They are on MOTD late and I find pundits are quite patronising about them. Last time they came up they were back down straight away.

Their recent game against Everton was hardly the greatest advert for the Prem.

Burnley wont win anything and are unlikely to advance beyond where they are now. Some of their players have horrible tats too just like Lee Tomlin.

They do graft out results though and for them to come top of the inner league is outstanding.

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