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petrio Posted on 13/01/2018 16:59
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Absolutely shocking from the ref. Kalas pushed, literally shoved Braithwaite over and no penalty given. Not sure Grant even touched their player and he gave it. It's so poor, I honestly can't believe I've just seen it.
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Jumpingjack Posted on 13/01/2018 17:00

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He had an absolute shocker, we donít want him anyware near the riverside again.
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boro19 Posted on 13/01/2018 17:02

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I am telling you now this REF had the game fixed. Wanted Fulham too win from the start
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Oberon Posted on 13/01/2018 17:03

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He's a Wearsider.
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dooderooni Posted on 13/01/2018 17:04

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Alexa, where is the referee from?

Referee Geoff Eltringham is from Sunderland, the dodgy XXXXXX.
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JLinardi Posted on 13/01/2018 17:17

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Sessegnon pretty much wrestled traore to the floor aswell, definately had his arm round his neck.
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TheInstigator Posted on 13/01/2018 17:19

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That is disgraceful, born in Durham. Who has allowed this ref to referee this match.
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boro19 Posted on 13/01/2018 17:20

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I though it wasn't allowed for a ref who supports Sunderland to ref a Boro game as they will not be unbiased
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TheInstigator Posted on 13/01/2018 17:22

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His wiki link states his county as Durham, he might not support Sunderland directly, but I bet ya bottom dollar some of his family will. This is a disgrace. If I was Pulis I would be holding the FA's knackers tightly and be asking for an explanation.
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Boro_Legend Posted on 13/01/2018 17:22

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This Cocker ref cost us dearly.
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Jumpingjack Posted on 13/01/2018 17:23
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He should never be allowed to ref us again.....too many times today he gave 50-50 decisions against us.
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Fuchsache Posted on 13/01/2018 17:23

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Needs reporting to the FA, cheating qunt he is!!
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guyb Posted on 13/01/2018 17:25

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Had a Sunderland season ticket!

Link: Linky
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RC92 Posted on 13/01/2018 17:28
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Swings and roundabouts, don't overlook Bamford's dive against Sheffield Wednesday.

If you don't register a single shot on target against a team below you then we don't deserve to win. It's our own fault we allowed ourselves to be put in that position to begin with.
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andydibble Posted on 13/01/2018 17:31
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Mentions his beloved sunderland here

Link: Dodgy
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ipad1977 Posted on 13/01/2018 17:32

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The logical solution for the FA would be to bring Jeff Winter out and stick him in charge for one of our upcoming matches to "even things out". Against Dirty Leeds will do. [:D]
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London_smoggie Posted on 13/01/2018 17:36

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Theyíd be no point reporting him to the FA as it was a football league game. He was assessed today as they are at all games by an ex referee.

A match report is made on all games
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Oberon Posted on 13/01/2018 17:37

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Forget about the ref. Our lack of finishing cost us.
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boroproud Posted on 13/01/2018 17:50

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Hang on a minute. Nobody is saying the ref cost us the game because of the chances or lack of, that we should have put away. We couldve played all might and still not scored, but his overall performance was XXXXXX. Can someone please explain to me how that number 4 stayed on the pitch after he forearm smashed braithwaite. Literally 10 yards in front of the linesman. If the linesman sidnt see it then he should be struck off the list but if the ref made the decision, which im sure he did because he had the yellow card out before he ran over.then words fail me.
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UTB_1983 Posted on 13/01/2018 17:54

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Forget the red letís just take a look at ourselves and admit we lost the game because gestede is rubbish
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OPEO Posted on 13/01/2018 17:55

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He is a Sunderland season ticket holder whose team was beaten by Boro last week and he is unbiased?[:D] I'd like to lamp him.
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MawTheMerrier Posted on 13/01/2018 17:59

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You donít win a game coz of a poor ref, nor do you lose one. Score goals and youíll win.

A winning manager never says we won coz of the ref, but the losing manager always blames the ref for the defeat.

That said, putting a Sunderland fan in charge is not on. It looks bad even if he is clean. Making sure Fulham donít think he favours the north east team etc.
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Juan_Sheet Posted on 13/01/2018 18:00

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Yeah London Smoggie pointed out that a supporter of one of your local rivals is allowed to officiate a game so a geordie fan is allowed to ref a makem game or a gooner is allowed to ref a tottenham game.

I can't see how they can say they will ref a game of a local rival with impartiality.

We can't blame the ref today for our performance we should have been out of sight by half time but i thought he was quite fair apart from the 2 biggest decisions of the game the pens.

Link: Makem
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Big_Nothing Posted on 13/01/2018 18:07

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How a former season ticket holder of a football club can referee the next competitive game of his teams local rivals when they've just knocked them out of the FA Cup I'll never know. He had clear views of both incidents and made the polar opposite decision to what was evident.
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London_smoggie Posted on 13/01/2018 18:11

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Youíre making out like itís an isolated case. It really isnít.

Youíre ignorance on this is bizarre.

Do you think they send refs from Portsmouth to ref our games?

Itís the case throughout the game world wide
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HolgateCorner Posted on 13/01/2018 18:15

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Er hang on a minute, strikers, even the best, do miss chances, they have the pressure of knowing defenders are bearing down on them, they have to beat the goalkeeper who may just be narrowing angles etc.

But a penalty is more or less a free hit.

The ref robbed us fair and square, I think we had three good shouts - Traore, Braithwaite and Assombalonga.

And yet the first sniff of a Fulham player going down in the area and he didnít hesitate.

Absolute disgrace of a referee, he should be ashamed of himself and not just for being a Mackem.
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Greenandblack Posted on 13/01/2018 18:37

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***He had clear views of both incidents and made the polar opposite decision to what was evident.***

He didn't have a clear view of the Braithwaite incident. Look on the highlights and you'll see at least two players between the ref and the ball.

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block2 Posted on 13/01/2018 18:38

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a week after beating sunderland we are reffed by a sunderland season ticket holder ?
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parmoboy Posted on 13/01/2018 18:40

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He also did nothing about their keeper time wasting. Why refs don't just give a keeper who is obviously time wasting a yellow straight away is beyond me. Would stop them from doing it again.
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petrio Posted on 13/01/2018 18:40

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In some respects, where he is from would be irrelevant, if it didn't add a little weight to the idea that he looked to be cheating Boro on purpose. I can't honestly think of any other explanation for how truly awful the Braithwaite penalty decision was. Awarding Fulham a penalty was also very, very dodgy.

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RavsDad Posted on 13/01/2018 18:43

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Haven't seen Braithwaite's incident back yet but being in the NW corner it was right in front of us. It looked an obvious foul and the sort of one that WOULD be given 99 times out of a hundred if committed outside the area.

Have watched their penalty award several times and I can't see that being given more than one in ten times. He's given that on the most flimsy evidence in the 95th minute and the fourth official most be very impressed with his one-sided and decision making. The fact that he is a confirmed Sunderland fan is bound to invite criticism and accusations of bias.

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petrio Posted on 13/01/2018 18:46

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The Braithwaite one was as clear a penalty shout as you will ever see. Two hands, full shove on Braithwaite, who had the ball under control. Absolutely a penalty 100% of the time - except today, with this referee. The referee was also only a matter of yards away with a clear line of sight. No way he didn't see it.
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Greenandblack Posted on 13/01/2018 18:52

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He didn't have a clear line of sight. Watch the highlights.
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newyddion Posted on 13/01/2018 19:03

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Can't score if your players are getting decked in the box and you can defend against an unjust penalty decision.

WHAT IS THE FCUKING POINT?

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London_smoggie Posted on 13/01/2018 19:07

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You canít score when you have numerous one on ones?

Well I guess youíre right. not sure what the ref had to do with them though
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Billy_Horner Posted on 13/01/2018 19:12

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"He also did nothing about their keeper time wasting."

Au contraire. That's why he played 5 minutes of added time in a game with no injuries, thus allowing us to concede the non/soft penalty in the last of those minutes!
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parmoboy Posted on 13/01/2018 19:19

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Here's a video of the Braithwaite penalty shout. Just can't believe it wasn't given.....

Link: Braithwaite penalty shout
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parmoboy Posted on 13/01/2018 19:24

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And their penalty. It was reckless of Leadbitter to put a foot in, but not even sure there was any contact.

Link: Fulham penalty decision
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bencha Posted on 13/01/2018 20:50

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London Smoggie just doesn't get it does he? This situation should not be allowed to happen by the powers that be, so blame lies with them. It is a game of opinion when reffing (I referee myself) but I will doubt that any ref would not have given a penalty as he had a perfect view. I'm sure that he will be marked down and it will be interesting which match he gets next week but it is of little use to Boro now (in the same breath it was a poor display in the second half and the substitutions had a negative effect but bring on QPR!!)
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Buddy Posted on 13/01/2018 21:20

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At absolute best, two completely incompetent decisions. I hope that's the case.
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uncle_rico Posted on 13/01/2018 21:21

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The linesman didnít even give their penalty and the referee I no where to be seen.
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Derek_Duvall Posted on 13/01/2018 21:28

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This really does need to be taken further and not just accepted.

Just saw both penalties back on the tv there and that first one is simply staggering. He's looking straight at it! What does he see, that ISN'T a foul?!

Their penalty, Grant didn't even touch the bloke!

I've said it before, we can spend billions on this game of ours and still, ONE man can determine the outcome of a single game...

Sooner we get this video in every game the better.
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petrio Posted on 13/01/2018 21:37

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Iím with D_D, The more I think about it the angrier I am. Itís just plain awful and the ref needs to be held to account.
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Uncle_harry Posted on 13/01/2018 21:51

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given that the alleged official had a close and clear view its the clearest pen Ive ever seen not given.

I can't even imagine why he didn't give it


literally unbelievable
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Unbelievable_jeff Posted on 13/01/2018 21:54

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Gestede wants reporting not the referee. Knock it on the head.
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Colgates_shaving_foam Posted on 13/01/2018 21:57
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At the game I was quite philosophical about it, these things happen. Having seen them again I'm fuming.

At the very least we should be demanding he refs no more of our games.
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jcjc Posted on 13/01/2018 22:00

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gestede finishing cost us the game today and pullis subs but yes was dire
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HolgateCorner Posted on 13/01/2018 22:06

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The post is about the refs performance, not About Gestede, Braithwaite or Assombalonga missing four good chances between them. There are other threads debating that.

The ref Ďmissedí three Boro penalty incidents and awarded them a soft one - do you think he would have given us that penalty?

The op is right - it needs looking at.
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Buddy Posted on 13/01/2018 22:09

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At the game I was fuming and I haven't stopped yet. I was in the West Lower today, for a change, and my feeling is that the linesman on that side knew, in both cases, how bad the decisions were.

I'm the first to say that strikers make more crucial mistakes than referees, and in most matches that's true. But a mistake is a marginal call, something that someone might see one way and another person another. Not two blatantly incorrect applications of pretty simple rules.
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Derek_Duvall Posted on 13/01/2018 22:16

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What if that was the last game of the season and we needed a point to stay up or go up?!

The debate is not about whether our strikers missed a hundred tap ins, it's about a corrupt performance, because, in my eyes there is no other way to explain it. Simply staggering...
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TrappaTony Posted on 13/01/2018 22:19

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Forget about the ref. Our lack of finishing cost us.

You can't have a trade off with one negative against another. The finishing was abysmal and so was the referee. He showed clear and wanton bias against us.
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dooderooni Posted on 13/01/2018 22:32

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I'd expect even an in-experienced referee to give a penalty for the challenge on Braithwaite 100% of the time. Kalas has no intention of playing the ball and he manhandled his man before visibly pushing him to the floor.

It's a decision that should see Eltringham being told to take the rest of the season off in my opinion. I wouldn't even let him be the fourth official.

As for Norwood, he should be charged with simulation.

I'd wager that nothing will be done for either incident though.
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Buddy Posted on 13/01/2018 22:40

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This was his fifth time refereeing Middlesbrough. Won 3 and drawn 1 before today.
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petrio Posted on 13/01/2018 22:53

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He's still a XXXXXX, Buddy. I can't see any reason at all why he hasn't given the Braithwaite penalty. Kalas shoved him over, with two hands, whilst he (Braithwaite) was in control of the ball. The one against Boro, I disagree with but could write off as a genuine mistake by a rubbish referee. So, apart from bias, cheating, backhanders, betting etc... I can't see any reason he doesn't give the Boro penalty. It's the most blatant penalty shout I have ever seen.
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Buddy Posted on 13/01/2018 23:09

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No, I agree. Just pointing out that it can't be painted as a career-long Mackem hatred of Boro. The most charitable explanation is terrible incompetence. A top-level referee shouldn't be making two decisions as bad as that in the same game.
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petrio Posted on 13/01/2018 23:38

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Almost as if he doesnít realize that shoving over a player is a foul. Tit .
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HolgateCorner Posted on 14/01/2018 00:37

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You may have something there Petrie because Sessignon wrestled Traore to the ground first half when Traore had got past him and actually won a free kick.

From the front view, Kalas did a similar wrestle with Braithwaite before pushing him over, maybe the ref thinks that is fair game for a defender close to an attacker.

Either decision just total incompetence.
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RavsDad Posted on 14/01/2018 12:21

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His incompetence married to his love for a club who are our nearest neighbours leaves him wide open to accusations of bias even from some more neutral observers than Boro fans.

To ignore such a blatant foul for the home side and then award a game changing penalty for the weakest of reasons in the 95th minute looks like he'd picked Fulham for one of his four 'Aways'.
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BoroFeed Posted on 14/01/2018 12:29

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This is not the first time this referee has come under scrutiny on this board. I seem to remember the exact same topic a couple of seasons ago, can't for the life of me remember what game it was,
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ChrisFinch Posted on 14/01/2018 12:34
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I thought both pen shouts were pens but I thought Fulham's was more clear cut than ours to be honest. You could aruge Kalas was just standing his ground and I can see why the ref didn't give it whereas theirs was an absolute stonewaller. I'm a massive fan of his but it was absolutely idiotic from Leadbitter.

Also thought Howson was lucky not to be sent off.
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Boro_since_74 Posted on 14/01/2018 12:48

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Don't see why the Ref's loyalties should be in question in this case.

We weren't bothered when he refereed

Bolton 0 Boro 3
Boro 1 Burnley 0
Boro 2 Cardiff 1
Boro 1 Peterborough 1

This was the first match we have lost with him as the ref. More due to our own incompetence than his.
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Chappy112 Posted on 14/01/2018 12:55

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"You could aruge Kalas was just standing his ground"

[:D][:D][:D]
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Muttley Posted on 14/01/2018 12:55

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I don't thin for a minute that the referee was biased. But I'd love to hear him talk through the replay of the foul on Braithwaite and explain why (in his opinion) it is not a penalty.

The penalty against us was one of those, "striker anticipating contact" things. He is definitely going down before Grant comes in on him but I can excuse the award as at full speed it was very marginal. In the replay though you can see the striker start to go down before Grant (perhaps) stands on his toe.
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Derek_Duvall Posted on 14/01/2018 13:03

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'Standing his ground'?!! He wrestled Braithwaite and then pushed him over!!
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ChrisFinch Posted on 14/01/2018 13:07

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"'Standing his ground'?!! He wrestled Braithwaite and then pushed him over!!"

Like I said, I thought it was a pen but I can see why he didn't give it. Players are allowed to stand their ground and compete but there was an obvious shove from Kalas.
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Buddy Posted on 14/01/2018 13:25

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You know me Muttley, always err on the side of the ref, but I don't agree it was marginal at full speed. It looked like a clear dive at the time and at the same height the referee was at.
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HolgateCorner Posted on 14/01/2018 13:27

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That was my point above, particularly looked at together with the Traore penalty appeal, maybe this ref thinks defenders are allowed to be Ďrobustí with attackers when they are tight up against them, compared to the Ďtripí penalty for Fulham.

That said I would have been surprised if this ref had given us that penalty at the other end so something going on somewhere here even if it was just subconscious bias after our crowd had got on his back a good few times during the game.
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glover_elbow Posted on 14/01/2018 13:36

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Warnock and bruce have already questioned his compentance in previous games this season
I don't think it's a case of bias just of being useless.
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