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OPEO Posted on 07/12/2017 20:39
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This is what he's capable of.

Link: Boro ipswich
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SouthStandSY Posted on 07/12/2017 20:40

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More likely to see Gestede & route ![xx(][V]
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Nobby_Barnes Posted on 07/12/2017 21:08

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Unfortunately I think Garry Monk is the only person in Middlesbrough that disagrees with you...
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HULLRED66 Posted on 07/12/2017 21:39

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Unfortunately that was nearly three years ago and Palace, Burnley and Norwich didn't fancy him.
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TheFair86 Posted on 07/12/2017 21:42

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Or karanka second time around. No smoke without dirt that many times.
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Dustbin_Man Posted on 07/12/2017 22:03

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433 at home
Bamford Braithwaite and Britt
Downing Leadbitter Howson
Friend Gibson Fry Christie
Randolph

No messing...3 nil please
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Nobby_Barnes Posted on 07/12/2017 22:05

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Only an idiot would fail to see he's a better option than Johnson or Traore !

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SmogOnOuseburn Posted on 07/12/2017 22:09

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"Only an idiot..."

or someone who disagrees with you?

Bamford has clearly not impressed a lot of people in the last couple of years. Maybe he has lost it?
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jcjc Posted on 07/12/2017 22:11

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he has done well when given a chance more lively than some makes good runs to suit howson maybe
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tonymow Posted on 07/12/2017 22:12

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You don't wear the shirt on what you did 2 year ago .
You have to earn it .
If he puts the effort in and impresses during the week he will wear the shirt , if he doesn't , he won't .
Simple really , it's all about effort , commitment and desire .
That stands for all off them not just Patrick .
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Adi_Dem Posted on 07/12/2017 23:18

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No, it's definitely correct to say 'only an idiot'.
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Boro_Legend Posted on 07/12/2017 23:29

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He needs games now.
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Cleveleyssmoggie Posted on 08/12/2017 08:27

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He needs to get his head together, put on a pair of black boots and impress on the pitch, proving he is as good as he thinks he is.

He and the team are no where near as good as they were in the last failed promotion season.
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Adi_Dem Posted on 08/12/2017 08:29

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Difficult to play well with 5 minutes pitch time here and there. Probably pretty galling as well to see the likes of Fletcher very often selected ahead of you.
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ExFootyLegs Posted on 08/12/2017 08:29

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I tell you who deserves a chance - Dimi because that keeper we have cannot kick for toffee ; my heart is in my mouth everytime he receives it to kick...
And his goalkeeping doesn't stand out above Dimi for me...
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wartle Posted on 08/12/2017 08:33

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He needs 10 games starting as a Number 10 behind Assombalonga.

Give Braithwaite and Traore 10 matches as well. Then letís see what happens.

This constant tinkering isnít allowing the team to gel or get any form.
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Witcher Posted on 08/12/2017 08:42
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He isn't a number 10 as long as i have a hole in my XXXXXX, his attributes have nothing in common with a number 10

He either plays centrally as a poacher , or comes off from the right hand side in a narrow set up so he can shoot with his left foot

So basically in a 4-4-2, or coming off the right in a 4-2-3-1, never in a million years can he play number 10 or even worse as some fans suggest on the left wing
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Witcher Posted on 08/12/2017 08:53

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'Difficult to play well with 5 minutes pitch time here and there. Probably pretty galling as well to see the likes of Fletcher very often selected ahead of you.'


I'm pretty sure the coaching staff at the club are not picking or choosing him based on his 5 minute cameos, but more on

A.the effort he puts in when training
B.As he isn't a very versatile player, he can only really fit in the team in positions the manager feels are already covered without dismantling the teams overall shape
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festa5 Posted on 08/12/2017 09:24

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"Palace, Burnley and Norwich didn't fancy him."

It's becoming a bit of a tired argument this. Aside from the fact that these sides were all at a completely different level to where we are now, the fact that other managers haven't picked him doesn't mean he can't possibly be any good.

Isn't it better to judge him on his performances? You know on what we've seen with our own eyes? Because based on that he still looks like he's a very good player.

I wonder sometimes if some of our fans are capable of watching a game and forming their own opinion based on that. Instead they obsess about statistics, past records or what pundits might say.
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LeeTublin Posted on 08/12/2017 10:25

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To be fair far better managers than Monk also didnt fancy him so to start calling people idiots is a bit harsh.
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Indeedido Posted on 08/12/2017 10:29

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A classic from Witcher here about Bamford;
..."he can only really fit in the team in positions the manager feels are already covered without dismantling the teams overall shape"

Have I missed something here, as I cant make head nor @rse out of Monk's shapes?

I've had a good think about it too Adi and it is true "only an idiot" is spot on.[^]
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bear66 Posted on 08/12/2017 10:30

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To be fair, he has looked very good this season and two leagues better than players that have started in front of him.
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Bootlebarth Posted on 08/12/2017 10:32

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What overall shape, I can't see what that mey be do you have better glasses.
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Jam! Posted on 08/12/2017 10:56

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To play in the number ten position you need to be good on the ball, look for space, have the ability to pick a pass that can unlock a defence whilst also having an eye for goal.

Sounds like Paddy to me.
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Nobby_Barnes Posted on 08/12/2017 11:11

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You don't just become a bad player overnight.

He hasn't been given a chance [V]
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TheFair86 Posted on 08/12/2017 11:25

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No, but you can over a few years.
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bear66 Posted on 08/12/2017 11:30

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THat's true, but he hasn't.
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Tacker Posted on 08/12/2017 13:15

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A mate put a great post on Gazette comments yesterday calling for the 3-5-2. Made a lot of sense, we've got 2 great wing backs not really being utilized and ample amount of centre backs to play 3 along the back.

2 up top would give Assombalonga a lot more chance to be a poacher rather than searching for the ball.
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dragged_up_in_whinneybanks Posted on 08/12/2017 14:11

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It's quite easy. He needs a run of games to prove himself. Unfortunately, not going to get it with Monk. Never mind we still have Fletcher ....
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wilkos_perm Posted on 08/12/2017 14:17

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Tacker we tried it vs Brentofrd and we were awful (think it was Brentford anyway). Plus Fabio not being left footed is a major hindrance for a wing back, and Friend is well out of sorts
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allied_assault Posted on 08/12/2017 14:35

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Agree with wartle [^]
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skiprat Posted on 08/12/2017 14:37

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While I would agree that I personally would play him (although that's without seeing him in training), he's definitely not made much of the limited time he has had on the pitch.

Villa in the cup aside he's been as poor as the rest of them.
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jiffy Posted on 08/12/2017 14:56

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Ill state right now that I wish Bamford could recapture the form from his previous spell but frankly when he has been on the field recently he hasnt exactly demanded he be made first choice has he?
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wilkos_perm Posted on 08/12/2017 15:01

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I'd totally agree Skiprat. I'd play him, but like you, I don't the case for doing so is as clear cut as people are making out.
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streetwise Posted on 08/12/2017 16:48

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Playing a past Championship 20 goal a season man is a no-brainer, especially when Monk's alternative is likely to be Fletcher, Gestede or Tavernier.
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Nobby_Barnes Posted on 08/12/2017 16:54

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It's absolutely clear cut...

Is Bamford a better player that either Johnson or Traore ?

YES, AND IF YOU CANT SEE THAT YOU ARE AN IDIOT [^]
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wartle Posted on 08/12/2017 17:00

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I'd argue that his cameos his movement alone has been light years ahead of players picked before him, thus allowing him AND OTHERS space.

He's looked sharp in link up play and tried to play a few killer balls which again the majority of our team wouldn't have seen.

Pick an 11 and stick with it for 10 games. At least allow them to get some rhythm going.
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Glasshalfempty Posted on 08/12/2017 17:41

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Clearly if you are not a Pom Pom carrying Bamfordette you are labelled an idiot on this board. No arguments or debates to be had - no professional football managers opinions to count - no feedback or opinion from the manager and coaching staff considered - blind blinkered self opinionated bully boys who call people idiots because they dare to disagree with them. Can write on a stamp what they know about football - now (Pom Poms up)Give us a P - P (Pom poms down)give us a A -A keep practicing boys.
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coluka Posted on 08/12/2017 18:42

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Yep it is idiotic not to start him and give him a good run of games.
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Abel_Tasman Posted on 08/12/2017 18:48

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If managers like Sean Dyche think he has the heart of a pea then you have to worry that heís struggling to carve out a career - and to demand he has a run of games even though you donít know his mental state, his training form and fitness levels is a little bizarre.
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Greenandblack Posted on 08/12/2017 19:16

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Bamford has had s few starts hasn't he? He played a few games early on and at Bournemouth too. He didn't do anything in those games did he?

By all means give him another go, but 10 games? We'll be into the last third of the season by then.

Prove he can do it by the turn of the year or offload him in January maybe?
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coluka Posted on 08/12/2017 19:19

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Hardly bizarre when Monk has felt he has been near enough to have been on the bench then come on and looked better than what was on before in 3 of the last 4 games [?]
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Easy_ Posted on 08/12/2017 19:22

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He was our best player in the home games against Burton & Sheff United at the start of the season and he looked lively when he came on against Wolves in the opener. He then had a bit of a quiet game against Forest and has barely started since.

Give this lad consistent starts and he'll find his rhythm.
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OPEO Posted on 08/12/2017 19:50

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Just what is it that you idiots disagree with? Pretty obvious you never attend games. Everyone he comes on the pace picks up. He gives 100%. He is a very well spoken learned lad and Monk is an cretin for leaving him out. Just my opinion like.[}:)]
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RC92 Posted on 08/12/2017 20:39

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"Playing a past Championship 20 goal a season man is a no-brainer, especially when Monk's alternative is likely to be Fletcher, Gestede or Tavernier."
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People may dislike him but Gestede is as much of a proven goalscorer in the squad as anyone, if not more so.
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Easy_ Posted on 08/12/2017 20:43

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I think Gestede adds an extra dimension to our attacking play. I just don't think he should be starting. Great to have on the bench, particularly at this level.
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sheriff_john_bunnell Posted on 08/12/2017 22:19

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"He needs 10 games starting as a Number 10 behind Assombalonga.

Give Braithwaite and Traore 10 matches as well. Then letís see what happens."

This is correct.

Not a number 10? The pass he played through for Assombalonga disagrees with you. Played very well on the right of the three under karanka. And is smart enough to mix up his play and play on the shoulder from time to time.

unlike traore who should always play on the right. fewer decisions to make.
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TheFair86 Posted on 09/12/2017 00:28

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ĎPlaying a past Championship 20 goal a season man is a no-brainer, especially when Monk's alternative is likely to be Fletcher, Gestede or Tavernier.í


Erm

You realise Bamford has never scored 20 champo goals. He got 17 for us that season. Behind .... gestede on 20
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Indeedido Posted on 09/12/2017 00:43

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...and voted THE player of the season in the Championship that season.

Bamford has consistently looked better than the team this season.
Only an idiot would not play him.
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redwurzel Posted on 09/12/2017 00:50

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Bamford seems to play better off a target man or as a target man - Gestede I would guess is his best suited partner.
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T_A_D Posted on 09/12/2017 03:16

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streetwise: "Playing a past Championship 20 goal a season man is a no-brainer, especially when Monk's alternative is likely to be Fletcher, Gestede or Tavernier."

Er, I'm not a huge fan of Gestede, and it is not indicative of who the better player is, but only one of Bamford, Fletcher, Gestede, or Tavernier has scored 20 goals at Championship level.

It is not Bamford.
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bear66 Posted on 09/12/2017 08:04

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They're goals per game are almost identical for Blackburn and Boro. Overall, Bamford has a better league scoring record than Gestede.
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OPEO Posted on 09/12/2017 09:15

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Yes but lets look for the negatives[:o)]
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Adi_Dem Posted on 09/12/2017 09:53

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Yes, only an idiot (which is clearly what Monk is) would leave Bamford out of the 11.

I prefer to ignore the really lazy and fundamentally flawed argument that he hasn't been picked by all of these different managers, the myth based on nothing but guesswork that he has 'the heart of a pea' and other nonsensical such stuff.

I much prefer to focus on the player that I've seen playing for us. I could easily point to his previous performance in our play off season but I really don't need to. With only one or two exceptions, when he has been on the pitch this season we have been a much better side. Couple that with the fact that he is very clearly better than the players being selected ahead of him and that our results and performances are so poor and it really does become a no brainer.

Giving him a single game or a few minutes here and there is equally ridiculous. He needs a run of games. You'd have to be an idiot as a manager not to give him that run.
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Indeedido Posted on 09/12/2017 10:25

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Unfortunately Adi, we do have that complete idiot in Monk.
One match today, if he doesn't get a brace at least then numbnuts will drop him as fast as he can.
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coluka Posted on 09/12/2017 10:28

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Adi, Indeedido - [^]
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Adi_Dem Posted on 09/12/2017 15:54

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Half time. Bamford playing just behind Britt. Did someone really say that he couldnít play in the number 10? I thought that was pretty ridiculous before today but the first half has confirmed it. He has been really good here. Everything that he was first time around is still there. Touch, intelligence, awareness and movement. The player we had hasnít gone anywhere, he just needs time on the pitch. Heís just shown in 45 minutes why it is absolutely beyond belief that he hasnít even been in the squad some weeks. Ridiculous.

Bamford and Downing the pick today. Brilliant from Stewy for the goal.

Still not a great performance this but we have been the better side and made a better start than we have for a while, Derby aside.
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paulwilko10 Posted on 09/12/2017 16:02

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I thought we were up for it first 45,but to say Bamford is one of the best in the pitch is ludicrous. He's created nothing, I think howson is playing better than Bamford.
Braithwaite also.
But my comments won't ring true with the I love Bamford brigade.
He hasn't been bad, but please do not get too excited about that performance so far just to back up your hatred of monk and your love for Bamford.
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the_holgate_roof Posted on 09/12/2017 16:10

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like we were saying..... Bamford...[^]
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ipad1977 Posted on 09/12/2017 16:16

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Cheers Paulwilko [^]

In future if you want that to happen you can save yourself a whole load of typing by simply saying he's gash...[8D]
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Harbottle Posted on 09/12/2017 16:16

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Heíll be dropped next match then.
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paulwilko10 Posted on 09/12/2017 16:58

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If you are all absolutely honest, you would see the whole team played decent today. Bamford was just one of them.
We seemed more up for it than usual.
Of all at need is Bamford, then monk may aswell **** off
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Boro_Legend Posted on 09/12/2017 17:03

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Good team performance. Solid. Good effort from the front four. Mr M sleep better tonight. Now do Millwall.


What how we end up dropping Paddy next game.

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bear66 Posted on 09/12/2017 17:19

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Bamford and downing the pick of the team today but a good team performance overall. Better balance, more fight and more quality. I agree with wilko, just get rid of monk and play Bamford (and Leadbitter)
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the_holgate_roof Posted on 09/12/2017 17:23

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he'll probably think Paddy is too lightweight for Millwall...
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Adi_Dem Posted on 09/12/2017 17:28

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Do you even know what you're saying here paul? Don't take my word for it. Listen to the radio and what Maddo is saying about Bamford, read twitter or even just look at the standing ovation Bamford got as he went off.

He was top quality today and will get even better given game time.
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paulwilko10 Posted on 09/12/2017 17:32

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In sorry Adi, I just don't get the love for Bamford.
I think he is a decent player, but the way people go on they would think he is the only player in our squad that can get us up.

He, and many others turned up today. We all know that won't happen every game.
He scored a very good goal but it is ridiculous that Bamford is getting the plaudits when there are equally as good, if not better performances there today.

I genuinely hope he starts to turn it on because he will enhance our season.
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OPEO Posted on 09/12/2017 17:43

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Paul you are the leader of the clowns. Bamford is head and shoulders and torso and legs ahead of the rest of the team. To the rest of clownatelle I give you [:D][:D][:D][:D][:D]
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Adi_Dem Posted on 09/12/2017 17:45

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"there are equally as good, if not better performances there today. "

Like who?
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bear66 Posted on 09/12/2017 17:47

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It's about balance. Bamford, leadbitter and Ayala the spine of the team that could get us over the line.
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OPEO Posted on 09/12/2017 17:50

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Bamford was such a threat Mick McCarthys instruction to his players probably had the line, kick him off the pitch. He must have been fouled a dozen times.
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Adi_Dem Posted on 09/12/2017 17:52

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Lost count of the times he was fouled. Barely put a foot wrong today. Should have had an assist too if Britt had finished.
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Nobby_Barnes Posted on 09/12/2017 17:54

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Downing ***
Bamford**
Leadbitter*
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bear66 Posted on 09/12/2017 17:54

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After a 600 mile drive last week, today was a team performance to be proud of.
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Tuncaythefunguy Posted on 09/12/2017 18:08

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People keep saying heís not strong enough. Today he looked as strong as anyone.

He looks weak, his running style is a bit unorthodox but that is a cloud over what a fantastic footballer he is.
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