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GibbosArmy Posted on 07/12/2017 11:57
Bernie Slaven on the calls for Monk’s sacking
 
 
“There’s a lot of pressure on Garry Monk right now because Boro are not winning games - but he needs time.”

“I hear a lot of people moaning about poor quality football and poor results and saying he should be sacked. That’s crazy talk.”

“There were people saying he should go after 10, 12, 14 games - but no-one was saying the same about Aitor Karanka at that point and his football was poor fare and results were patchy too.”

“Managers need breathing space to get the team playing with the style and shape they want. That may be frustrating for fans but sometimes that takes longer than you think - especially if you are trying to get them playing creative football.”

“Monk wants to build an attacking, entertaining brand of football and that is hard. It is far more difficult than getting a team to set up with two banks of four, sit deep and shut up shop. Anyone can do that.”

“But if you want to attack, get bodies forward and look for the killer creative pass in the opposition half, that is far more tricky. “Monk is trying to get the balance right up front and drill the team to be more enterprising and that’s not always easy.“
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Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 07/12/2017 12:02

Bernie Slaven on the calls for Monk’s sacking

 
Fantastic player for us, clueless pundit.

Karanka did more with Mowbray’s squad than Monk is doing with his own expensively assembled one.

It was personal between him and Karanka and he can’t hide it in this article, very dismissive of the fantatsic work Aitor did in making us a functional team again after the mess he inherited.

As for Monk trying to find the balance, I give you Traore on the left and Downing on the right.
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r00fie1 Posted on 07/12/2017 12:03

Bernie Slaven on the calls for Monk’s sacking

 
"Breathing space"
"Need time"

An experienced Manager may have been more competent in achieving attacking football and winning games without dragging the club two steps backwards first - losing the fans, alienating experienced quality players and showing an amateur approach to substitutions and team selection.
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Derek_Duvall Posted on 07/12/2017 12:10

Bernie Slaven on the calls for Monk’s sacking

 
I give you Adomah on the left, Stuani on the right. And that came from the messiah Karanka.
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American_Mary Posted on 07/12/2017 12:12

Bernie Slaven on the calls for Monk’s sacking

 
Every great manager knows that without a solid platform you will achieve nothing in terms of league position, get the fundamentals in place and then look to expand, the Robson relegation season is a great example of how no matter how good your attack is if you're not organised you ultimately fail.
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sasboro1 Posted on 07/12/2017 12:18

Bernie Slaven on the calls for Monk’s sacking

 
"“There were people saying he should go after 10, 12, 14 games - but no-one was saying the same about Aitor Karanka at that point and his football was poor fare and results were patchy too.”"

took karanka's 6th game to get us winning again and sort out the defence,
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Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 07/12/2017 12:23

Bernie Slaven on the calls for Monk’s sacking

 
“took karanka's 6th game to get us winning again and sort out the defence”

He got more points in his first 14 games with Mowbray’s squad than Monk has.
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nowthen Posted on 07/12/2017 12:23

Bernie Slaven on the calls for Monk’s sacking

 
Apparently anyone can sort out a defence too [:D]
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wilkos_perm Posted on 07/12/2017 12:35

Bernie Slaven on the calls for Monk’s sacking

 
"I give you Adomah on the left, Stuani on the right. And that came from the messiah Karanka."

So we didn't pick up points playing that way? Or an inswinging cross from Adomah on the left didn't ever get tucked away by Stuani arriving from the right? We played that way in some of our best performances of the season.
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bear66 Posted on 07/12/2017 12:39

Bernie Slaven on the calls for Monk’s sacking

 
We did. Worked well and helped the left hand defensive side.
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uncle_rico Posted on 07/12/2017 12:39

Bernie Slaven on the calls for Monk’s sacking

 
I like Bernie, but he has an agenda. He was extremely critical of Karanka despite what he achieved. Don't forget Slaven was banned from the stadium for a while, despite his claims that "it was all just a joke".
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tom_mate Posted on 07/12/2017 12:41

Bernie Slaven on the calls for Monk’s sacking

 
"but no-one was saying the same about Aitor Karanka at that point and his football was poor fare and results were patchy too.”

Not relevant at all, there is no comparison with what Aitor inherited and what Monk's come into.
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nowthen Posted on 07/12/2017 12:44

Bernie Slaven on the calls for Monk’s sacking

 
Brighton away was Albert on the left and Stuani on the right.

What an awful performance that was!!

Link: Brighton 0 Boro 3
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uncle_rico Posted on 07/12/2017 12:47

Bernie Slaven on the calls for Monk’s sacking

 
They were undefeated all season and every one thought it would be easy for them. We absolutely tore them to pieces.

Also, hadn't Mourinho just been sacked by Chelsea and was in crowd?
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Hignett21 Posted on 07/12/2017 12:48

Bernie Slaven on the calls for Monk’s sacking

 
The same Bernie Slaven who would encourage unrest under Rioch, Todd and Lennie whenever he didn't get his own way.

Fantastic goalscorer, hypocrite of the highest order.
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Heine Posted on 07/12/2017 12:49

Bernie Slaven on the calls for Monk’s sacking

 
Karanka also played Traore on the left so you can't really blame Monk for trying it but what you can question is that when it clearly wasn't working and we needed quality delivery into Gestede he took Downing off and replaced him with Johnson switching him to the left in the process
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Derek_Duvall Posted on 07/12/2017 12:54

Bernie Slaven on the calls for Monk’s sacking

 
I was making a point Nowthen that Karanka also played players out of position. He can do no wrong at the minute though. You pick out the Brighton game.... it was brilliant. What about the one nil home defeat by Watford; the televised one?!

I know you hate Monk and you beatify Karanka but a bit of balance would not to amiss.
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nowthen Posted on 07/12/2017 13:05

Bernie Slaven on the calls for Monk’s sacking

 
Albert didn't play against Watford. He'd been sold to Villa.

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wilkos_perm Posted on 07/12/2017 13:11

Bernie Slaven on the calls for Monk’s sacking

 
But in the modern day a right footed player playing on the left in an attacking role is normal, possibly even the norm. And Stuani had a lot of success in that role on the right between September and January of the promotion season. The team was functioning, so it's not really a scenario you can knock the manager for. When the team isn't getting results it's fair to ask these questions
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dragged_up_in_whinneybanks Posted on 07/12/2017 13:11

Bernie Slaven on the calls for Monk’s sacking

 
B*llocks from Bernie here. How much time did the Wolves manager need FFS? There is clear evidence that Monk is failing to meet expectations on every single front.We can still get in the play-offs but only if he goes now and we get a proper manager in before the transfer window.

Obviously no love lost with Aitor eh Bernie?
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nowthen Posted on 07/12/2017 13:15

Bernie Slaven on the calls for Monk’s sacking

 
If you were gonna bring up playing a player out of position then it would be Dean Whitehead starting ahead of Ryan Fredericks, he gave 100% but was extremely flawed at RB.

Fredericks is a quality RB in the championship.
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JLinardi Posted on 07/12/2017 13:19

Bernie Slaven on the calls for Monk’s sacking

 
The difference is karanka had us in the top 4 spots in touch with the teams around us pretty much all season in each full season and his teams scored more goals than this one.

And comparing karankas start to monks is just ridiculous when you compare the teams each one inherited. As for 'poor fare' football wtf do you call this garbage we're currently watching?
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Adi_Dem Posted on 07/12/2017 13:20

Bernie Slaven on the calls for Monk’s sacking

 
"I give you Adomah on the left, Stuani on the right. And that came from the messiah Karanka."

This is a cracker. Comparing something that was tactically well executed and thought out with Downing right and Traore left is genius.

Thanks Derek!
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GraftLikeNegredo Posted on 07/12/2017 13:36

Bernie Slaven on the calls for Monk’s sacking

 
“He got more points in his first 14 games with Mowbray’s squad than Monk has.”

Eh, than Monk has what?

Are you suggesting Karanka got as many points as we have now in 14 games?
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Derek_Duvall Posted on 07/12/2017 13:39

Bernie Slaven on the calls for Monk’s sacking

 
Welcome Adi Dem. You thought Stuani on the right was good huh?!

Keep on patronising. That's what you do best. Tit...

No point anyone else having an opinion on here is it? You really are something aren't you. You must be a hoot at parties...
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wilkos_perm Posted on 07/12/2017 13:47

Bernie Slaven on the calls for Monk’s sacking

 
Stuani played on the right all through our best run of the season and got some important goals arriving late in the box.
He then lost his place as a regular when his form dipped. Seems fairly reasonable. It's about the overall functioning of the team. At the moment we aren't functioning, so it's fair to critise team selection. When we won 8 in a row in the promotion season in a team including Stuani on the right then there was no real vaild criticism of tactics.
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Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 07/12/2017 13:52

Bernie Slaven on the calls for Monk’s sacking

 
“Are you suggesting Karanka got as many points as we have now in 14 games”

Karanka’s opening 14 games (with Mowbray’s squad) - 22 points

Monk’s opening 14 games - 20 points
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nowthen Posted on 07/12/2017 14:05

Bernie Slaven on the calls for Monk’s sacking

 
I guess Monk has a better record after 20 games? Though with this squad, so he should!
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wilkos_perm Posted on 07/12/2017 14:12

Bernie Slaven on the calls for Monk’s sacking

 
Just looking at the results from that season I reckon AK got 28 points in his first season after 20 games vs our current 29. Has a bit of a bad run between 14 and 20 games, then picked up again.
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redwurzel Posted on 07/12/2017 14:43

Bernie Slaven on the calls for Monk’s sacking

 
I think its fair to expect Monk to hit the ground quicker than AK. Monk is not new to management and Monk had the Summer to mould his squad and a sizeable budget.

I am not saying Monk should go, but I was expecting close to 2 points a game from him by now.
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Adi_Dem Posted on 07/12/2017 15:54

Bernie Slaven on the calls for Monk’s sacking

 
Stuani on the right was, objectively, good in our promotion season. By any metric you want to use. Adomah on the left was part of a deliberate tactic in certain games so that he could deliver an in swinging cross to the back post where Stuani was. Objectively that worked on a number of occasions.

That is not, by any standards, the same as the disastrous and senseless use of Traore on the left whilst Downing was on the right.

You compared the two situations. I told you it was silly to do so. No need to get upset about it. You’re perfectly entitled to your opinion. As I am to mine.
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boroskel65 Posted on 07/12/2017 16:09

Bernie Slaven on the calls for Monk’s sacking

 
Anyone could've made the pigs ear that Monk is currently making - the groundsman or the tea lady!

Slaven is setting the bar extremely low for Monk to hurdle, and the bugger is still tripping.
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RC92 Posted on 07/12/2017 16:26

Bernie Slaven on the calls for Monk’s sacking

 
"I give you Adomah on the left, Stuani on the right. And that came from the messiah Karanka."
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Agree with half of this.

Adomah can work well on the left, I believe Villa have him playing on the left at the moment and he is in excellent form. However, Stuani is not a right sided midfielder, but he was the best and most intelligent striker we had on the books. We would have been more effective going forward having Adomah on the left / right and bringing in another natural winger with Stuani up front. How many goals did we actually score from Stuani making a run from right wing? Two? Possibly three?

Can't complain too much as the tactics took us up, but we seriously strangled some of our attacking players.



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bear66 Posted on 07/12/2017 16:33

Bernie Slaven on the calls for Monk’s sacking

 
Did Stuani play many games other than on the right? 16 goals he scored altogether in league and cup.
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sasboro1 Posted on 07/12/2017 16:38

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i think stuani would be a better option on the right than johnson and traore. he'd chip in with a few goals atleast
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nowthen Posted on 07/12/2017 16:40

Bernie Slaven on the calls for Monk’s sacking

 
I think he played two games as the centre forward, both in the league cup. Oldham and someone else.. can't remember.
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parmoboy Posted on 07/12/2017 17:03

Bernie Slaven on the calls for Monk’s sacking

 
I remember us going on a six game unbeaten run through December where we won five and drew one, giving us some hope that we could push for a play-off place. I've just looked back at our results from when Karanka took over and we went on a run where we conceded just five goals in twelve games. Amazing really considering the amount of goals we'd be leaking under Mowbeay.
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MawTheMerrier Posted on 07/12/2017 17:10

Bernie Slaven on the calls for Monk’s sacking

 
Bernie is right. A manager needs time. Monk should be given the whole season at least and perhaps the whole of his contract.

I do realise that in the Skyland we now live in, fans want instant success and won't agree with me or Bernie.
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Tuncaythefunguy Posted on 07/12/2017 17:24

Bernie Slaven on the calls for Monk’s sacking

 
Compare Monk and Karanka all you want but Karanka wins hands down.

Karanka was working with a squad that looked poor.
Karanka had no pre season
Karanka had to wait over 2 months for a transfer window.

If Karanka took over this squad now, we’d be certain to get in the play offs at least. We’d have a pattern of play. We wouldn’t concede 3 goals in a home game.

Monk should have come in and started a solid foundation. Instead he went top heavy on forward players that don’t fit together.
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Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 07/12/2017 17:49

Bernie Slaven on the calls for Monk’s sacking

 
Perhaps he's referring to the start of last season, in which case he's spot on. I remember asking at the end of September about the state of the side and should Karanka be moved on by the end of November should things not improve.

I was shot down at the time, despite the rather obvious lack of tactical ability. People pointed the away win at Sunderland and a couple of draws, and that our goal difference wasn't as poor as teams below us. We were being completely doninated, we crawled over the line at the SOL, and what a side they proved to be.

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Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 07/12/2017 17:56

Bernie Slaven on the calls for Monk’s sacking

 
We were in the Premier League last season.

Huge difference.
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Tuncaythefunguy Posted on 07/12/2017 17:58
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Bernie Slaven on the calls for Monk’s sacking

 
You can’t compare Monk in the championship to AK in the premier League CTC.

By November AK was doing well in the Premier League with a very limited squad. It would have us 13th in the Premier League today. We should have won at arsenal, West Ham and was robbed v Leicester.




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parmoboy Posted on 07/12/2017 18:00

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It says it all that we're almost halfway through the season and he doesn't even know his best formation, let alone his best side.

I literally have no idea what the team will be this Saturday, and I'm certain he won't want to go with the same side that performed so poorly at Bristol.
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big-eggo Posted on 07/12/2017 18:38

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swapping Albert for Adama plus cash was hardly a master stroke from AK. Easy to spot the winner in that piece of business.

Add to that, that Steve Bruce is playing him up top and he has hit 12 goals this season. Now that kind of whiffs of another opportunity missed.
Stuani up front is also proving to be a bit of a hit currently in Spain.
Suggests to me that AK was missing plenty of opportunities on the attacking front.
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1finny Posted on 07/12/2017 20:13

Bernie Slaven on the calls for Monk’s sacking

 
On balance I agree with Bernie

Ref Albert - another player who gets better the more time we have to forget how many poor games they had for us.
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HolgateCorner Posted on 07/12/2017 20:31

Bernie Slaven on the calls for Monk’s sacking

 
The Albert love in is becoming an embarrassment for some posters.
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Indeedido Posted on 08/12/2017 10:44

Bernie Slaven on the calls for Monk’s sacking

 
Monk OUT
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The_263 Posted on 08/12/2017 17:33

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Gibson obviously has Slaven in his back pocket.

Comparing anodyne over structured football to an amorphous team of individuals is silly. There is a compromise
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