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Alvez_48 Posted on 14/11/2017 20:16
Why is Joe Hart back in goal?!
 
 
Missed the start is there any particular reason why captain clanger is back in the net?

Decisions like that make it really difficult to support England. Just because the media have poured money into his image his performances throughout the years get repeatedly whitewashed.

Before anyone says he is a good keeper I have YouTube evidence to the contrary.
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Stanley_Downing Posted on 14/11/2017 20:23

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Southgate is determined to play him. Pickford played well against Germany, would have been good to see how he'd cope here.

On the game itself, the insistent praise of every simple 5 yard pass Loftus-Cheek makes is getting annoying.
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borodrew Posted on 14/11/2017 20:23

Why is Joe Hart back in goal?!

 
Pickford deserved to keep his place
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Alvez_48 Posted on 14/11/2017 20:41

Why is Joe Hart back in goal?!

 
It just annoys me that we have some excellent keepers now and they can't get in ahead of the establishment pick.

I remember all the XXXXXX pep got for getting rid but he doesn't have to dance when the media says, instead it was Joe go be XXXXXX in Italy.
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Marvanelli Posted on 14/11/2017 20:44

Why is Joe Hart back in goal?!

 
It took Pep literally a few days to realise how poor Joe Hart is and sent him packing.

Why can't Southgate see it?
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Alvez_48 Posted on 14/11/2017 20:47

Why is Joe Hart back in goal?!

 
I didn't even realise that he was THAT bad in Italy that he made it into the worst XI

Link: Class
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Cooper6711 Posted on 14/11/2017 21:19

Why is Joe Hart back in goal?!

 
Pep replaces him with bravo and has had to spend another fortune this season to then replace bravo.

Southgate picks a load a debutants other night everyone moans.... plays more experienced player everyone moans again. It's just a friendly no need to wet ya pants over it
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Alvez_48 Posted on 14/11/2017 21:28
Edited On: 14/11/2017 21:29
Why is Joe Hart back in goal?!

 
Hes experienced and dire...

And sorry for talking about football on a football forum.

You need me to define what forum means? It is Latin..
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American_Mary Posted on 15/11/2017 00:38

Why is Joe Hart back in goal?!

 
I fully expect Pickford to be first choice by the time the World Cup starts, if Butland had been fit I would have expected him to get the start tonight.
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Banned Posted on 15/11/2017 02:23

Why is Joe Hart back in goal?!

 
Goals conceded tonight NIL

I guess Joe Hart must be Rubbish
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CasinoGrande Posted on 15/11/2017 02:27

Why is Joe Hart back in goal?!

 
Yeah, you guessed right.
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Alvez_48 Posted on 15/11/2017 06:57

Why is Joe Hart back in goal?!

 
Lol good work banned...

It is nice to be reminded of some fans actual knowledge.
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RC92 Posted on 15/11/2017 07:16

Why is Joe Hart back in goal?!

 
Is the point of friendlies not to utilise the whole chosen squad to determine the best team / tactics?

I'm more concerned at the lack of quality going forward when Kane & Alli are out than Hart being in goal. Might be better writing off this WC, taking the kids, then having a real go in 2022.
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Alvez_48 Posted on 15/11/2017 07:29

Why is Joe Hart back in goal?!

 
Classic whataboutery from rc92.

I posted about Joe Hart not Harry Kane.
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Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 15/11/2017 09:11

Why is Joe Hart back in goal?!

 
ďIt took Pep literally a few days to realise how poor Joe Hart is and sent him packing.

Why can't Southgate see it?ď

and replaced him with a far worse keeper.

Itís only cost him £50m to find a credible replacement.
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Marvanelli Posted on 15/11/2017 09:14

Why is Joe Hart back in goal?!

 
[:D] And the obsessed Pep hater returns!

Right on cue Pog [8D]
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BarnesBoroFC Posted on 15/11/2017 09:56

Why is Joe Hart back in goal?!

 
Hello, did someone mention "pep hating"?
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Nero Posted on 15/11/2017 09:59

Why is Joe Hart back in goal?!

 
Hart was a good keeper a few years ago, but he's become a liability now. He cost England badly in the European Championship.

Let's hope Butland and Pickford both have a good season.
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Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 15/11/2017 10:03

Why is Joe Hart back in goal?!

 
Which part of what Iíve wrote isnít true Marv?
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Marvanelli Posted on 15/11/2017 10:07

Why is Joe Hart back in goal?!

 
Just a clue Pog, this thread isn't about Pep or his signings. It's was in discussion regarding Joe Hart.

I merely said it's obvious to a brilliant coach in Pep that Joe Hart isn't good enough, so why isn't it clear to Southgate.

Don't see what you're trying to achieve in this thread...
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sasboro1 Posted on 15/11/2017 10:10

Why is Joe Hart back in goal?!

 
"Why is Joe Hart back in goal?!"

is this a trick question? its a friendly. a chance to give the back up player a game in case the first choice gets injured between now and the world cup.
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sasboro1 Posted on 15/11/2017 10:12

Why is Joe Hart back in goal?!

 
"I merely said it's obvious to a brilliant coach in Pep that Joe Hart isn't good enough, so why isn't it clear to Southgate."

in that case, why cant we pick the man city keeper for england?
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Marvanelli Posted on 15/11/2017 10:13

Why is Joe Hart back in goal?!

 
Think you've missed the point entirely there Sas.
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sasboro1 Posted on 15/11/2017 10:21
Edited On: 15/11/2017 10:22
Why is Joe Hart back in goal?!

 
i havent.

you typed:-

"It took Pep literally a few days to realise how poor Joe Hart is and sent him packing.

Why can't Southgate see it?"

the reality is that man city are probably better than england. and man city got a good keeper too.(they paid £35m for him) england lack a good choice of keepers(same for many positions). maybe if we had better keepers, then southgate could bin hart. i mean the current england keepers play for burnley, southampton, everton, west ham, norwich rather than for teams in the championship league
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hopesoboro Posted on 15/11/2017 10:22

Why is Joe Hart back in goal?!

 
Who is the Man City keeper?
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jack31439 Posted on 15/11/2017 10:24

Why is Joe Hart back in goal?!

 
He is England's best goalkeeper. Only thing pickford has over him is distribution. In a few years pickford may be better. Butland is injury prone. Forster not that good. Hart knows the team, is a good leader and has performed at the highest level. Of course he makes mistakes but what keeper doesn't. His shocking defence at Torino didn't help. I think it's one of the new england trends to bitch about him, must be the next Scapegoat now Rooney is gone.
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Marvanelli Posted on 15/11/2017 10:27

Why is Joe Hart back in goal?!

 
Yes I understand it is a lot easier for Man City to bin Joe Hart because they have the options and resources to go and purchase another goalkeeper regardless of nationality.

My point was that it took Pep a few days to realise Joe Hart isn't good enough, yet Southgate persists with him when it's clear to most fans and pundits than we have a fair few keepers in our armoury and available for selection who are playing far better than Joe Hart. Jordan Pickford, Butland, Heaton (granted Heaton and Butland are currently injured), Forster, to name a few. I even think Foster would be encouraged to come out of retirement if asked.
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Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 15/11/2017 10:29
Edited On: 15/11/2017 10:58
Why is Joe Hart back in goal?!

 
ďJust a clue Pog, this thread isn't about Pep or his signings. It's was in discussion regarding Joe Hart.

I merely said it's obvious to a brilliant coach in Pep that Joe Hart isn't good enough, so why isn't it clear to Southgate.

Don't see what you're trying to achieve in this thread...Ē

You brought Pep into this, not me. ďIt took Pep literally a few days to realise how poor Joe Hart is and sent him packingĒ. Just a clue.

My point was it canít have been that easy or obvious to replace Hart as the ďbrilliant coachĒ that Pep is had the luxury of been able to spend a fortune to replace him, and the initial replacement was much worse than Hart.

Southgate has a limited pool available to him.

For what itís worth Iíd play Pickford.
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wombledon Posted on 15/11/2017 10:29

Why is Joe Hart back in goal?!

 
With the lack of experience in the back 3 at international level and the front 3 of Brazil being their strongest lineup, it's probable Southgate decided to go with an experienced goalkeeper.

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stevie-g888 Posted on 15/11/2017 10:33

Why is Joe Hart back in goal?!

 
To the OP, I'm not a great fan of Joe Hart tbh, but when you say you have YouTube evidence of his poor goalkeeping, there is also clips of his great goalkeeping too......so it just depends what you look for really doesn't it?[:O]

Link: Great saves by Joe Hart!
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Alvez_48 Posted on 15/11/2017 11:05

Why is Joe Hart back in goal?!

 
Lol stevie he literally made serie a worst XI.

He has absolutely loads of blunder videos in crucial games as well

He had great potential 5 years ago now he is just bang average.

Sas come on GK is probably the strongest depth that the england team has!!

To those that say give the backup guy a chance:

1) he shouldn't be backup guy more like 4th choice.
2) hes had plenty of chances to gain experience.
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sasboro1 Posted on 15/11/2017 11:09

Why is Joe Hart back in goal?!

 
"Sas come on GK is probably the strongest depth that the england team has!!"

no its not, have a look at which clubs all the england keepers play for. none are playing for a side in the champions league. either in england or in other league.
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BobUpndown Posted on 15/11/2017 11:18

Why is Joe Hart back in goal?!

 
Why? we were playing one of the best teams in football & needed a solid team.. Hart, not at the best he has ever been, though still a very decent keeper..

Butland.. hardly played & seems a little brittle..
Pickford.. looks a very good prospect: into only his second PL season.. played v Germany..
Heaton.. very decent but injured..
Forster.. unit, but not in great form..
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Alvez_48 Posted on 15/11/2017 11:21

Why is Joe Hart back in goal?!

 
Lol sas peter shilton was on the radio this morning saying we literally have an embarrassment of riches in keepers.

You want your keeper to be regularly tested to playing in a lower team might be a good thing.

Bob you can't complain about forsters form when hart has been dire for 5 years.
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Marvanelli Posted on 15/11/2017 11:21

Why is Joe Hart back in goal?!

 
'no its not, have a look at which clubs all the england keepers play for. none are playing for a side in the champions league. either in england or in other league.'

So you're basing your argument on the fact they don't play for a top 4 team?

You never fail to amaze me Sas[:D]
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Derek_Duvall Posted on 15/11/2017 11:26

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Every time anything about Man City or Guardiola so much as creeps into any thread, there goes Pog. Did Pep sleep with your wife or something?! Jesus! We get it, you don't rate him. Change the record for crying out loud...
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sasboro1 Posted on 15/11/2017 11:34

Why is Joe Hart back in goal?!

 
"So you're basing your argument on the fact they don't play for a top 4 team?

You never fail to amaze me Sas[:D]"

eerr. whats so amazing that the best keepers would be playing for a champions league side rather than a mid table or bottom half prem side.. who would have thought they eh?

its like man city decided to spend £35m on a foreign keeper rather than half that or lower price on an english keeper. its as if all the english champions league side prefer to sign better keepers elsewhere.
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sasboro1 Posted on 15/11/2017 11:36
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Why is Joe Hart back in goal?!

 
"Lol sas peter shilton was on the radio this morning saying we literally have an embarrassment of riches in keepers.

You want your keeper to be regularly tested to playing in a lower team might be a good thing."

the days of england having the best keepers in the world have now long gone. none are playing for big teams in europe, are any playing in any european competitions still?

even costa rica have a better keeper who playes for real madrid
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Marvanelli Posted on 15/11/2017 11:54

Why is Joe Hart back in goal?!

 
'eerr. whats so amazing that the best keepers would be playing for a champions league side rather than a mid table or bottom half prem side.. who would have thought they eh?'

Football isn't that simple though is it?

To discredit a footballer because they play for a lessor team is sheer ignorance.
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sasboro1 Posted on 15/11/2017 12:00

Why is Joe Hart back in goal?!

 
"To discredit a footballer because they play for a lessor team is sheer ignorance."

no its not, the fact is teh england keepers are not that good at the moment. if they were that good they would have been snapped up by big teams playign in european competitions. why do you think all the big teams in england have so many foreign players. its not just an issue with english keepers. we lack real quality across the squad

man city could easily have bought one of the english keepers if they wanted to. but instead they wacked £35m on a brazilian

the days of england having the best keepers in the world are long gone. none of our keepers will be close to being in the top 20 best keepers in the world
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Marvanelli Posted on 15/11/2017 12:09

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You do realise Everton splashed £25m plus addons on Jordan Pickford in the summer?

At the time, they were a team in Europe looking to challenge for the Champions League this season.

No one has said we have the best keepers in the world. No one has said they're close to being in the top 20 in the world. Stop twisting to suit your argument.

And it's not a 'fact' that the England keepers are not that good at the moment. It's your opinion. Not a fact.

But what most are arguing on here is that a great deal of supporters feel we have at least 1 or 2 keepers better than Joe Hart. And on given form, most supporters have a strong case on the matter.
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RC92 Posted on 15/11/2017 12:13

Why is Joe Hart back in goal?!

 
"Classic whataboutery from rc92."
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You've clearly missed the underlining point that of all the problems England have, the goalkeeper position is nowhere near our biggest issue.

We don't have 'excellent' goalkeepers at all. None of our goalkeepers are anywhere near the top goalkeepers across other nations:

Belgium - Courtois
Brazil - Ederson
Costa Rica - Navas
Croatia - Subasic
Czech - Cech
France - Lloris
Germany - Neuer / Horn / Trapp / Ter Stegen
Italy - Buffon / Donnarumma / Perin
Slovenia - Oblak / Handanovic
Spain - De Gea

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Alvez_48 Posted on 15/11/2017 12:14

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You've managed to alter the path of the thread sas lets bring it back.
Regardless of your thoughts on keepers Joe hart is still no where near the best English keeper.
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sasboro1 Posted on 15/11/2017 12:18

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..and everton are struggling down the wrong end of the table..wonder why none of the big european teams decided not to buy him. i mean why didnt man city buy him for £25m and sdave themselves £10m

the reality is that none of the english keepers are near the top 20 in teh world. some of them are messing about in the bottom half of a league. thats because none of the top teams want them because they are not up there with the best.

there must be about 4-5 english keepers in the premier league at the moment. that tells you all you need to know.



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sasboro1 Posted on 15/11/2017 12:21

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"you've managed to alter the path of the thread sas lets bring it back.
Regardless of your thoughts on keepers Joe hart is still no where near the best English keeper."

you asked why joe hart was back in goal, we are still discussing it. ive not altered the path. the answer is that we dont have many decent keepers around. i think there are about 4-5 english keeper playing in the premier league and thats probably as many as there are playing in a top flight league across europe. none are playing for a champions league team either.
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Marvanelli Posted on 15/11/2017 12:24

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..and everton are struggling down the wrong end of the table..wonder why none of the big european teams decided not to buy him. i mean why didnt man city buy him for £25m and sdave themselves £10m

the reality is that none of the english keepers are near the top 20 in teh world. some of them are messing about in the bottom half of a league. thats because none of the top teams want them because they are not up there with the best.

there must be about 4-5 english keepers in the premier league at the moment. that tells you all you need to know.'

All this is simply irrelevant to this thread. Just because none of the big european teams decided not to buy him doesn't mean he's not good enough.

This thread is about Joe Hart and the fact he's getting game time ahead of other English goalkeepers.

Stop changing this thread's topic to suit your argument.
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Marvanelli Posted on 15/11/2017 12:25

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'you asked why joe hart was back in goal, we are still discussing it.'

No you aren't.

You're discussing the difference between top goalkeepers and english goalkeepers.

You're not comparing English goalkeepers with fellow English goalkeepers.
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sasboro1 Posted on 15/11/2017 12:30

Why is Joe Hart back in goal?!

 
"No you aren't.

You're discussing the difference between top goalkeepers and english goalkeepers."

keep up, people are asking why is joe hart starting for england. its because we have so few decent english keepers.(only 4 -5 playing in the premier leagu?). as ive said, they are not playing for big clubs in europe, other clubs have prefered to spend big elsewhere.

people need a reality check and see that there isnt a great choice of english keepers outthere.

some one banged on about pep seeing hart isnt very good. well he was able to spend £35m on a better keeper. sotuhgate cant bin him because there isnt a great choice to pick from (only 4-5 play in the premier league?)
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Marvanelli Posted on 15/11/2017 12:33

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Jesus Christ SAS. It's like braying your head against a brick wall with you.

Fair enough you think we have so few decent english keepers. That's your opinion.

However, Joe Hart isn't playing for a top european club, so where does that come into your argument?

We have Joe Hart, Tom Heaton (currently injured), Jack Butland (currently injured), Forster, Foster, Pickford...all playing (when fit) for their clubs in the top flight.

Of that list available do you seriously think Joe Hart is our best option?
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sasboro1 Posted on 15/11/2017 12:34

Why is Joe Hart back in goal?!

 
"All this is simply irrelevant to this thread. Just because none of the big european teams decided not to buy him doesn't mean he's not good enough.

This thread is about Joe Hart and the fact he's getting game time ahead of other English goalkeepers.

Stop changing this thread's topic to suit your argument."

ofcourse its relevant [:D]

hes getting a game because there are so few good english keepers out there. only 4-5 play in the premier league and none play for any big champions league clubs. there isnt a great choice and what choice there is is not brilliant...think about it..
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Marvanelli Posted on 15/11/2017 12:37

Why is Joe Hart back in goal?!

 
'hes getting a game because there are so few good english keepers out there. only 4-5 play in the premier league and none play for any big champions league clubs. there isnt a great choice and what choice there is is not brilliant...think about it..'

How on earth is this relevant, when Joe Hart isn't even playing for a top European club? Your argument doesn't even make sense.

Because none of our keepers play for a top side in Europe (including Joe Hart) is the reason Joe Hart is playing for England? [:D]..........Is this seriously your argument?
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sasboro1 Posted on 15/11/2017 12:39

Why is Joe Hart back in goal?!

 
"Jesus Christ SAS. It's like braying your head against a brick wall with you.

Fair enough you think we have so few decent english keepers. That's your opinion.

However, Joe Hart isn't playing for a top european club, so where does that come into your argument?

We have Joe Hart, Tom Heaton (currently injured), Jack Butland (currently injured), Forster, Foster, Pickford...all playing (when fit) for their clubs in the top flight.

Of that list available do you seriously think Joe Hart is our best option?"

come on, youi cant be that thick to not figure it out with england keepers!

i will spell it out (again). it may sink in..

1) 4-5 english keepers play in the premier league. that mean you have a good chance of making the england squad if you play for a team in the top flgiht no matter
2) no english keepers play for a champions league side across europe
3) man city prefer to spend £35m on a foreign keeper than buy a much cheaper english one
4) no english keepers will be in the top 20 in the world

"Of that list available do you seriously think Joe Hart is our best option?"

it was a friendly, you give other players a game jsut incase others get injured
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RC92 Posted on 15/11/2017 12:43
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Why is Joe Hart back in goal?!

 
"We have Joe Hart, Tom Heaton (currently injured), Jack Butland (currently injured), Forster, Foster, Pickford...all playing (when fit) for their clubs in the top flight.

Of that list available do you seriously think Joe Hart is our best option?"
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Heaton should be #1 when he's fit, he showed last season he's far better than any of the other English keepers. Pickford should be #2 as a future prospect.

None of the others are any better than Hart, no worse, but no better.
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Marvanelli Posted on 15/11/2017 12:46
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Why is Joe Hart back in goal?!

 
1) 4-5 english keepers play in the premier league. that mean you have a good chance of making the england squad if you play for a team in the top flgiht no matter
2) no english keepers play for a champions league side across europe
3) man city prefer to spend £35m on a foreign keeper than buy a much cheaper english one
4) no english keepers will be in the top 20 in the world

1) So why is Joe Hart in goal?
2) So why is Joe Hart in goal?
3) So why is Joe Hart in goal?
4) So why is Joe Hart in goal?



All you are doing is listing opinions that doesn't give any reasons whatsoever to why you think Joe Hart is starting ahead of other english keepers.

Oh and you never answered my question.

Do you seriously think Joe Hart is our best option?

And if not..Who would you play in goal for England in Russia?
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Alvez_48 Posted on 15/11/2017 13:31

Why is Joe Hart back in goal?!

 
Sas the point of this thread was simply to complain that because he has brand image joe hart is chosen in goal despite there being better options available.

Why should he rest pickford in case he gets injured when joe hart has tonnes of caps already? He doesn't need to gain experience at all. Out of the 5 English keepers in england he is the worst keeper!
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sasboro1 Posted on 15/11/2017 13:46

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"All you are doing is listing opinions that doesn't give any reasons whatsoever to why you think Joe Hart is starting ahead of other english keepers."

why are we goign roudn in circles here. it was a friendly and we have barely 4 english keepers that are anywhere near international or top flight level. its not a great choice

"Oh and you never answered my question."

i hjave done many times already

"Do you seriously think Joe Hart is our best option?"

it was a friendly, a friendly is there to give other plaeyrs game time too.

"And if not..Who would you play in goal for England in Russia?"

well that depends on who ever is the best keeper by the end of the season. russia is a competitive tournament, brazil game was only a friendly about 7 months from the competitive tournament
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Marvanelli Posted on 15/11/2017 13:49

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SAS

You've never answered any of my questions.

A simple yes or no to the above questions would suffice.
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sasboro1 Posted on 15/11/2017 13:50

Why is Joe Hart back in goal?!

 
which questions?, youve asked loads. i answered them above. which one is not answered. wil you keep asking the same questions until i give you the answer you want?
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Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 15/11/2017 13:52

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ďEvery time anything about Man City or Guardiola so much as creeps into any thread, there goes Pog. Did Pep sleep with your wife or something?! Jesus! We get it, you don't rate him. Change the record for crying out loud...Ē

Was there anything untrue that I wrote?
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Marvanelli Posted on 15/11/2017 13:55

Why is Joe Hart back in goal?!

 
Sas, you've never answered either and I've only ever asked two questions. Both of which you have dodged.

'Do you think Joe Hart is our best option?'

A simple yes or no....

If no, then who do you think would be our best option going into Russia...
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Marvanelli Posted on 15/11/2017 13:58

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To be fair Pog, Derek is right in what he says. It comes across that you're obsessed with Pep and when there is any mention of Pep or City on this board, you're straight in to try and slate him/them.

There was another thread regarding Pep a few weeks ago....go bring that thread back up if you want to discuss Pep....again.
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sasboro1 Posted on 15/11/2017 13:59
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Why is Joe Hart back in goal?!

 
"A simple yes or no....

If no, then who do you think would be our best option going into Russia..."

ok, i get it.. a narrow question even though i explained above already.

so in that case i shall then say he is our best keeper and should play in russia. 75 caps proved it.

he he did fine last night. does that suit your argument or can we take into account that it was a friendly last night and the tournament is about 7 months away. i mean who woudl; have thought, using a friendly to give other players game. i mean it not like the final team is nailed down 8 months in advance[8)]

its is funny that people are crying/angry that a manager has picked someone for a friendly game
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Marvanelli Posted on 15/11/2017 14:03

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Ok, so you think Hart is our best option. That is fine.

But using your own argument regarding prices and money...if Joe hart is the best keeper we have. Then why didn't Everton sign him for a fraction of what they spent on Pickford? [8)]
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sasboro1 Posted on 15/11/2017 14:07

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arent everton struggling down near the bottom?

anyway joe hart is still owned by man city who are top of the premier league and still in the champions league.
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BoroBen92 Posted on 15/11/2017 14:07
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Why is Joe Hart back in goal?!

 
I seem to remember City were demanding £20 million to sign Joe Hart.
That's why West Ham only took him on loan.

Pickford has many more years left in the game than Hart, probably easy to stomach spending that much on a keeper when it's a long term investment.
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Jan_Aage_Fjortoft Posted on 15/11/2017 15:08

Why is Joe Hart back in goal?!

 
It does come across as Joe Hart being the new boo boy for the England team. Granted he has made errors but show me a goalkeeper who hasn't? I won't comment on his time in Italy because I didn't really see him play that often but if you play behind a shakey defense it hardly helps the goalkeeper and that's reportedly what they were.

As for why he played - Southgate rates him as one of his three best goalkeepers. Personally I'd agree wih that. If you experiment with the team then you need to get players used to playing with other. He played a different defense than he usually does so it only right that both of his goalkeepers got game time. Maybe if Butland hadn't got injured he might have played instead.

Also Butland has missed a lot of games through injury in the last few years. Can you rely on bringing through too many new goalkeepers in one go when you don't even know if they will be available?

As for Pog - I think it was perfectly valid for him to mention about Pep. Someone said it didn't take him long to see what Hart was but then he went on to pick Bravo who was a disaster for them. He then had to spend a fortune on a replacement. Maybe Pep doesn't get everything right after all.
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Marvanelli Posted on 15/11/2017 15:33

Why is Joe Hart back in goal?!

 
'arent everton struggling down near the bottom?'

They're above West Ham in the table [8)]
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RC92 Posted on 15/11/2017 17:08

Why is Joe Hart back in goal?!

 
"Also Butland has missed a lot of games through injury in the last few years. Can you rely on bringing through too many new goalkeepers in one go when you don't even know if they will be available?"
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It's not his fault, but Butland is hugely over-hyped based on nothing. He's only managed to play over half a season once in the last five years at Stoke.

As for Pep and Hart, I wouldn't assume Hart was dropped because he wasn't good enough. Pep has always gone for keepers that are good at playing from the back: Valdes, Neuer, Bravo & Ederson - only Neuer has ever been world class. Hart doesn't fit that playing style.
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Pogatetz_Ate_My_Hamster_ Posted on 15/11/2017 19:29

Why is Joe Hart back in goal?!

 
ďTo be fair Pog, Derek is right in what he says. It comes across that you're obsessed with Pep and when there is any mention of Pep or City on this board, you're straight in to try and slate him/them.

There was another thread regarding Pep a few weeks ago....go bring that thread back up if you want to discuss Pep....again.Ē

You brought Pep into the discussion, telling us how great he is and how he was able to spot Hart was rubbish very quickly.

All I did was point it that wasnít the whole story, he then took his almost unlimited spending power and bought a far worse keeper who he had to replace the following season. Heís spent around £50m just to replace Joe Hart. That isnít slating him, itís cold, hard facts.

If you Pep fans boys canít take facts never mind anything bordering on criticism thatís your problem.
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Alvez_48 Posted on 15/11/2017 19:40

Why is Joe Hart back in goal?!

 
Pog what are your thoughts on Joe Hart being repeatedly selected for England despite blatantly better options being available pal?
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Marvanelli Posted on 15/11/2017 19:48

Why is Joe Hart back in goal?!

 
'You brought Pep into the discussion, telling us how great he is and how he was able to spot Hart was rubbish very quickly.

All I did was point it that wasnít the whole story, he then took his almost unlimited spending power and bought a far worse keeper who he had to replace the following season. Heís spent around £50m just to replace Joe Hart. That isnít slating him, itís cold, hard facts.

If you Pep fans boys canít take facts never mind anything bordering on criticism thatís your problem.'.

1) I never once said how great he is...so that's a lie. Please read my first comment on this thread.
2) 'It took Pep literally a few days to realise how poor Joe Hart is and sent him packing'...Is this not a fact and is this not what happened??

Like I said, if you want to discuss Pep or City...take it to another thread. There was one only recently, instead of nitpicking on this thread.
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RC92 Posted on 16/11/2017 12:18

Why is Joe Hart back in goal?!

 
"Pog what are your thoughts on Joe Hart being repeatedly selected for England despite blatantly better options being available pal?"
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We probably have two keepers that are better, Heaton who is injured and Pickford who played against Germany.

I'm not even a particular fan of Hart but the rest of the English keepers fall into the bracket of solid / average, at best.
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Alvez_48 Posted on 16/11/2017 12:59

Why is Joe Hart back in goal?!

 
In which case why not play pickford against Brazil...

We know everything we need to about Joe.
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