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rob_fmttm Posted on 08/11/2017 09:50
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I have added the point raised on here last week about away fans not being able to see when people stand - is there anything the club can see.
You will also note at the start of the meeting there will be a short presentation to representatives of the 5 local MPs as well as Mayor of Mbro about the Safe Standing vote results from Boro fans and about the campaign nationally.
I am also reporting back from the national conference I attended about Football Fans supporting Foodbanks. The problem is becoming horrendous and there is a call to football fans nationally to maybe help out.
At Newcastle United fans are bringing 1 ton of food and raising £1k of money every game, Sad to say this is needed to feed the biggest foodbank in the UK in Newcastle.
If anyone has any other big issues affecting lots of fans then post it on here or email me at fmttmadmin@gmail.com and I can bring them up next week.

Link: Standing to Foodbanks
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Humpty Posted on 08/11/2017 12:20

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* Music needs turning off 10 mins before the game starts to allow atmosphere to build.
* An end to the 'plastic' light shows.
* Why do members of supporters groups affiliated with "Mbro Supporters Group" get a block booking of priority tickets?
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hard_ Posted on 08/11/2017 12:39

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Keep the music
Keep the light show
Discounted travel for official travel club. Raised before but never makes the agenda.
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rob_fmttm Posted on 08/11/2017 12:41

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Discounted travel? I don't follow you, sorry.
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hard_ Posted on 08/11/2017 12:44

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The cost of travelling on the official coaches. Can it be discounted.
A comparison with other coach companies will show how expensive it is.
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rob_fmttm Posted on 08/11/2017 12:45

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The supporters groups away priority was addressed last meeting - I posted the reply on here.
It was stressed we are only talking about a handful of tickets. I think Official Supporters Club often get 5 or 6 priority away tickets. Or rather they get priority to buy them.
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rob_fmttm Posted on 08/11/2017 12:48

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We did actually get official coach travel prices greatly reduced last season. I know the buses are still a lot higher than it would cost to hire a bus privately.
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hard_ Posted on 08/11/2017 12:50

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I know Rob. That's the issue is like raising. Why does it cost more than hiring a private coach company.
Can it be raised please?
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LucyBit Posted on 08/11/2017 12:54

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What was the content of the letter to Steve Gibson? (item 2)
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go_nads Posted on 08/11/2017 13:06

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Is there anyway that the lower stair cases in the Northstand could be opened to the upper tiers once the match is over.

At the moment there is a metal bar across, which could have a lifting mechanism fitted. Once the lower tier is empty, a steward could lift the bar, allowing people from the upper tier to bypass the concourse and leave through the corner exit.

The reason I ask is that with people coming into the concourse for the 12 man bar and those who have left to get their pint early, it is a right chew getting down the stairs firstly, as people can't get into the concourse from the stairs and secondly you have to forcibly push through the concourse to get out of the ground.

I appreciate that for most its just the hassle of another five minutes in the ground, but for those unsteady on their feet, it's not pleasant, my old man leaves five minutes before the final whistle just so he isn't caught in the push to get out of the ground - which seems stupid when there is an clear exit that would be easy to egress the stand.

Would also help if for some reason there needed to be an emergency evacuation of the ground.

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rob_fmttm Posted on 08/11/2017 13:12
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Letter to Steve Gibson is on Supporters Forum website front page.
Please click on link below.

Link: .boro.support
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rob_fmttm Posted on 08/11/2017 13:16

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Just changed that link above.
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dragged_up_in_whinneybanks Posted on 08/11/2017 13:25

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Incident on Sunday where the young lad fell down the steps (thread on here about it). Health & Safety concern?
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rob_fmttm Posted on 08/11/2017 13:32

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Oh yes sounds bad that fall.
There is a point on the agenda asking the club about incidents at the match.
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Humpty Posted on 08/11/2017 14:27

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That explanation had holes in it. I don't recall anyone thinking the fans groups got tickets.

The point was why are they getting priority for tickets over fans who pay money to the club in the same manner that then have to go through a lottery process?
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we_shall_be Posted on 08/11/2017 14:45

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as humpty said
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CommanderComcast Posted on 08/11/2017 14:46

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I understand it is a noble cause but why is a football supporters group getting involved with foodbanks? The time given to addressing this issue is less time on sorting the other agenda items. Where do you stop? Homelessness? Depression? Illness?

Sorry if this is heartless but can't the group just get on with trying to sort the issues it was set up to address?
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hard_ Posted on 08/11/2017 14:51

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Is that's no then Rob, about looking at reducing travel costs to away matches. If it can't go on the agenda fine, just say and I won't mention it again when you next ask for agenda items. I mention it every time.
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go_nads Posted on 08/11/2017 14:53

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It's the second time I have raised the issue about opening the lower stair well. It's stupid having to push through the 12th man bar, many who have come from other stands as people are trying to leave, when there is a simple exit out of the ground being unused.
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bigrichardthe3rd Posted on 08/11/2017 17:18

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Bring a question up for me could you please,how come boro walk up prices for home fan's,are dearer than the away suporters price's
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captain5 Posted on 08/11/2017 17:22

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They're the same aren't they?
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bigrichardthe3rd Posted on 08/11/2017 17:26

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£34 boro £30 s,land,£25 all over ground is enough[^]for home fan's
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captain5 Posted on 08/11/2017 17:30

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These are the prices.



Link: Matchday prices 17-18
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EpiphanyProudfoot Posted on 08/11/2017 17:32

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Swearing in front of kids needs addressing.

Literally disgraceful and happens to often.
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rob_fmttm Posted on 08/11/2017 19:44

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Go Nads - alternative ways of Exiting ground is on the agenda. I wonder if this includes your point. I will take note of what you say to bring it up at that point of the agenda.
Travel prices to games. I can ask for some type of breakdown. Club claim no real profit being made above admin cost + hire.
I will ask on AOB about prices.
As for the Food banks point. Am really not with you. It doesn't cost a penny of anyone's money to bring the subject up. The forum was designed to address any fan problems and issues. If we can help another group of people less fortunate than ourselves then why not?
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outmac Posted on 08/11/2017 19:58

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Rob; I was at a Mansfield game recently and noticed coach travel costs for their fans are a maximum of £15 per trip with a lot of trips costing only £10.
Those prices are way below what our club charges.
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rob_fmttm Posted on 08/11/2017 20:00

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They certainly are.
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coluka Posted on 08/11/2017 20:01

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Rob, can you mention the lack of stewarding in car park E after the game please.

It is just a free for all cars edging each other in a game of russian roulette. On Sunday for example there was an orderly queue behind the buses and one idiot decided to form a second queue in his large red 4x4 aside the front bus and lo, loads decided to follow and mayhem ensued.

It is getting worse and increasingly dangerous. There will be accidents before long. Everyone is in a rush and sod you attitude. The stewards are great before game but non existent after.
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myfooty Posted on 08/11/2017 20:06
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Can I suggest that you discuss the possibility of installing a transporter system like the ones used on Star Trek.

It would help solve the traffic and parking problems on match day as well as safe transit to different areas of stadium.
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CheekyNowt Posted on 08/11/2017 20:11

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Why do under 16s have to be supervised by an adult on official coaches now? I used to go at that age.

It is a last resort for some people, which has now been taken away.
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outmac Posted on 08/11/2017 20:16

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Rob , re the 'standing' issue. Hope that the club can do something in relation to those of us that can't stand due to age , disability , young children.
It surely can't be that difficult for clubs to allocate some seats or a small section of seats that only will be sold to those who need to sit. If it's at the front so be it , at least then we would be able to see the game . It's far too expensive to go to games and not be able to see the match. Clubs need to have a bit of 'joined up working.' Being able to sit and see the game at the front is fine by me.
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rob_fmttm Posted on 08/11/2017 20:18

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I presume U16s supervision is down to safeguarding issues. That is the new reality to ensure everyone is safe.
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Free_Subbuteo_171 Posted on 08/11/2017 21:30

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Could the club look at providing free deodorant - there are some really stinky people around that offend my nostrils.

That reminds me.....any chance of a cheese room being installed? Annoys me when the southerners get all the good stuff.

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the_holgate_roof Posted on 09/11/2017 07:40
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Rob, sorry to repeat earlier requests but the travel club pricing is a huge one, especially with the pricing of away match tickets at certain grounds, it is pricing a lot of people out of away travel who don't have alternate methods of transport. Surely the club negotiate the contract with the coach company and like any long term bulk contract, you would expect it to go the other way and actually be cheaper than the indepent single coach bookings, even if a steward is allocated to each coach, surely this could be absorbed into the usual payroll rather than pass this on as a coach costs to fans???
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hard_ Posted on 09/11/2017 07:42

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Holgate [^]
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TheFair86 Posted on 09/11/2017 07:57

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Why doesn’t someone shop around for 3 quotes for a couple of buses and compare to what the club offers?
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rob_fmttm Posted on 09/11/2017 09:13

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The last time the service went out to tender and away from Compass the company Tees Valley went bust mid season and Compass Royston had to step in at really short notice. By memory that could have been for the Sunderland match.
I wonder if anyone else has the ability and flexibility to offer different numbers of coaches throughout the whole season anymore.
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skiprat Posted on 09/11/2017 09:15

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The coach travel is probably more to do with the company that supply Boro buses upping their prices knowing that a multi million pound business is hiring them, than some lad from Stockton on his stag do.
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littledick Posted on 09/11/2017 10:07

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Out of interest, how many Travel Club busses go to away matches ?

Are they always full ?

If there is a 'hardcore' of say 15 to 20 who go on them to every away match, why not organise your own mini-bus.......would it work out cheaper ?
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go_nads Posted on 09/11/2017 11:42

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"Go Nads - alternative ways of Exiting ground is on the agenda. I wonder if this includes your point. I will take note of what you say to bring it up at that point of the agenda."

Thanks. I have no issue at all with the 12th Man Bar and think it's a brilliant idea, but it is a chew for those of us still stuck in the stand trying top get out whilst the concourse is packed, you are then pushing against people still coming into the concourse through the exits who are coming into the bar as you are trying to leave.

The busier the matches are the worst this scrum can be. If we start to make a big push for promotion, it is only going to get worse as the ground fills up.

Getting those lower tier stairs accessible will make it much, much easier.
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TheFair86 Posted on 09/11/2017 19:45

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WiFi in the stadium. It’s usually provided by companies such as the cloud as they get advertising through it. Obviously not needed during the game but find my phone unusable at half time and the entertainment on the pitch is a bit cringe, I want to check scores, watch goals etc
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CheekyNowt Posted on 09/11/2017 21:12

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I just think it is a bit over the top when they’re allowed on other buses and have never heard of any problems.

I suppose it is just the way it is.
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Humpty Posted on 10/11/2017 10:58

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"That explanation had holes in it. I don't recall anyone thinking the fans groups got tickets.

The point was why are they getting priority for tickets over fans who pay money to the club in the same manner that then have to go through a lottery process?"
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rob_fmttm Posted on 14/11/2017 11:13

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A few answers -
Go Nads - the club do want to work with you to ease your exit from the North Stand and it can be done in one area. You might be best to contact Yvonne Ferguson and she will get you details of which point you can exit the stand safely from the top to bottom tier. yvonne.ferguson@mfc.co.uk
Official Coaches - Mark Ellis is absolutley insistant that the club is no longer making any profit whatsoever on matchday coach travel.
He says they hire higher standard buses with better facilities especially welcome for longer haul, they have a second driver and obviously pay congestion charges where relevant but he wants to make it absolutely clear they are making absolutely zero profit.
There are no under 16s on buses because of Safeguarding. I am afraid that is the modern world.
We will have some other good news in our minutes about away travel when they are published. We have managed to make a few significant changes now in away tickets especially as a result of feeding back from this forum to the Supporters Forum with the club. Let's keep this going.
I can also tell you we had a very successful and productive meeting last night with representatives of local MPs on the issue of safe standing. We gave a presentation to them.
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Humpty Posted on 14/11/2017 11:19
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"""Why are members of the forum getting priority for tickets over fans who pay money to the club in the same manner that then have to go through a lottery process?"""
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rob_fmttm Posted on 14/11/2017 11:28
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Humpty - this has been answered and it is not linked to the forum other than several supporters groups mostly those that take buses or organise transport to games are offered half a dozen priority tickets each to away games. It is the clubs right to reward as they feel fit. They reward groups they feel work hard for MFC. But it is a priority to buy not a ticket.
Now we both well know that if there was a proper loyalty system then all this would become irrelevant. And one day we as fans are going to have to have a long discussion about this.
But let's get the facts straight. Middlesbrough can choose to give ticket priority to whoever they want to. They work closely with groups such as Red Faction, 12th man, Official Supporters Club, Disabled Supporters Club, MSS. They offer those groups a handful (and I mean a handful) of priority places for tickets each away game.
On the other hand they now claw back a lot of tickets that in the past might have gone to staff. There is no syphoning off in this way anymore. And all unwanted players tickets go to feed a waiting list for fans.
But this has no connection to the fans forum - just some of those groups are round the table. For instance fmttm doesn't have priority tickets, so I cannot offer you a chance to queue jump. I have an away season card myself.
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Humpty Posted on 14/11/2017 11:43

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Ok. I can live the vast majority of that. My issue falls with the guy that runs it as a closed shop to other supporters that have asked to be involved. There's a blurred line as to who's getting priority access to tickets and it sounds a little servicing.
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billybob Posted on 14/11/2017 16:35

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Did they get 'a handful' of tickets for Eindhoven?

Being in a supporters club doesn't make you a better fan than everyone else. It's not right that you can queue jump.

If that's not an issue for a fans forum then I don't know what is. It's certainly more relevant than a food bank.

But I understand it not being raised. Nobody will be willing to bite the hand that feeds.

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coluka Posted on 14/11/2017 17:41

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The only fair system when demand outweighs supply is either a lottery or a free for all as it currently is. I can live with the current system well enough.

You win some you lose some, it mirrors life. Loyalty systems wont work as people will get them and sell the ones they dont want to go to or cant get to. It would forever make it harder for many people
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littledick Posted on 14/11/2017 17:59

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That must happen at (probably) 30-40 clubs then Coluka, and I've never seen any complaints from them
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billybob Posted on 14/11/2017 19:18

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We had a loyalty system for Eindhoven if you recall. It was based on your season ticket number.

It's a flawed system though when players, staff, their mates and now it seems supporters groups got priority over you. It's self serving at its absolute worst.

But like Rob says, probably not worth raising it with the club, wouldn't want to rock the boat and all that.
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coluka Posted on 14/11/2017 19:31

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Littledick, I understand you point but all you need to do to get priority is be lucky from day one then act as a tout even if you dont go to games you can get priority.

It is flawed. At least by having a free for all you will be lucky sometimes and not others. Say you wanted to attend all games.
Game 1 200 tickets available 300 apply you miss out. All of a sudden 2000 others have prioriy over you.

Game 2 1200 available, 2000 apply 800 miss our

Game 3 2400 tkts, 1200 with full priority, then 800 with lower priority then say 1000 apply with no priority, 400 successful and you miss out again, suddenly 2400 with more priority than you it cant work fairly.

The best time to introduce a fair loyalty scheme is when supply outstrips demand, not the other way round
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littledick Posted on 14/11/2017 19:42

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Correct Coluka...
When supply outstrips demand is ideal starting point.

Those who went to Bournemouth last month should have first dibs on, say, Burton away tickets, when allocation is likely to be low (presumably ?)
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rob_fmttm Posted on 14/11/2017 19:46

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billybob - Eindhoven is well in the past now but has embittered fans for over a decade. I was lucky enough to get a £25 ticket - I had an S and T season card and was one of the handful of fans that had travelled to every game through Europe.
But no there no longer is a ticket grab from the club - what you see with the total number is what we get. The number of priorities to different supporters groups will I doubt add up to no more than 25 in total.
If twe12th men send a coach and along with Red Faction provide much of the colour and atmosphere then half a dozen priority each is going to do every other fan there a favour.
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coluka Posted on 14/11/2017 19:51

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I meant generally littledick. Any scheme would start at the beginning of a season and when announced loads of people will try to buy whatever the first game and many will miss out and my scenario will continue. If the first game was say Brentford or Bournemouth many successful would not need to travel to keep priority they could just sell to a mate etc and keep doing that for all the games they dont want to go to, they might take a hit the odd time, but thats life, to keep priority many would
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Big_Boozer Posted on 15/11/2017 09:32

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Rob, you stated..."We will have some other good news in our minutes about away travel when they are published"

Give us a clue now [:D]
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rob_fmttm Posted on 15/11/2017 10:13

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We are working with the club on getting tickets on sale as early as possible before games.
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PRIORYMAN Posted on 15/11/2017 19:48

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It's good that the Forum is generating some interest and feedback.

Regarding the loyalty system you mentioned earlier Rob you said that one day we as fans are going to have to have a long discussion about this.

In my view that should be sooner rather than later (and ahead of food banks).

We are in a small minority when it comes to not having a loyalty system and there are various ways of doing this already successfully in place at other clubs in all four Divisions.

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chiz62 Posted on 15/11/2017 19:54

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Any chance of some sort of heating being put on in the concourse after the game.
It's freezing in August , now winter is here it's f@cking baltic
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rob_fmttm Posted on 15/11/2017 20:35

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Food banks is an answer to a crisis but I am not sure quite how discussing or organising a response stops us doing other things.
A loyalty scheme is going to be very difficult and divisive issue. We surely will need to tackle it sometime in the future. Firstly we need to get across the fact that it is only a very small proportion of fans that attend over 10 away matches a season. So if you do a points system drawn across one season you should be able to reward those people for their loyalty by priority. But not everyone wants this outcome.
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boro19 Posted on 15/11/2017 22:45

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Why isn't they student or young adults match day ticket prices.
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Humpty Posted on 16/11/2017 10:38

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I don't see how a loyalty scheme doesn't become a closed shop after a certain number of games?
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