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zorro_mfc Posted on 12/10/2017 16:32
Are the days of the one club player - over.
 
 
By this I mean the club players that are good enough to be an international but are happy to stay at a midtable side ( is le tissier). As now it seems any player with a modicum of talent is snapped up after a few caps for their nation. By the likes of Man U/man city etc.

I often wonder what would have happened if we had a player like Juno in today's game as surely the vultures would be after him after a few months.

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hard_ Posted on 12/10/2017 16:38

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Am I misunderstanding?
There's loads on internationals at mid table clubs. Loads in the championship too.
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atypical_boro Posted on 12/10/2017 16:39

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"I often wonder what would have happened if we had a player like Juno in today's game as surely the vultures would be after him after a few months."

TBF he only stayed for 18 months.
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hard_ Posted on 12/10/2017 16:42

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Yeah, not sure of the relevance of Juninho. Hardly a one club player.
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zorro_mfc Posted on 12/10/2017 16:43

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I'm talking about key international players like say Stuart Pearce staying forest (Not technically a one team player but was at forest for majority of int career) or a player like Steve bull at wolves.

Look at Everton they are littered with good promising England youth players but what are the odds of them staying at Everton if they each their potential.

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RMD2000 Posted on 12/10/2017 16:43

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"I often wonder what would have happened if we had a player like Juno in today's game as surely the vultures would be after him after a few months."

The XXXXXX are you on about, son? [:D]
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RMD2000 Posted on 12/10/2017 16:47

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Key international players like Steve Bull whose England career was about one year long and about a dozen caps?
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zorro_mfc Posted on 12/10/2017 16:48

Are the days of the one club player - over.

 
im using Juno as an example (not as a 1 club player admittedly) of a great player in the prem not at a top 6 club.

As yes he left after relegation he wasn't poached by another perm club. And he never played for any other prem club either.

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hard_ Posted on 12/10/2017 16:49

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Jamie Vardy, Alan Hutton,Paul Caddis, Craig Conway,David Meyler.

There's loads of internationals not playing for the big four or five.

Don't get what you mean really
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zorro_mfc Posted on 12/10/2017 16:54

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Vardy is a great example of my point look at what happened as soon as his career took off arsenal were straight in.

It's more about having senior England internationals at a club nit in top 6 I just don't think it would happen as it once did.

I used Juno as example to show how a club like us could have that calibre of player, I don't think it would happpen now.

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sasboro1 Posted on 12/10/2017 16:55

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"I often wonder what would have happened if we had a player like Juno in today's game as surely the vultures would be after him after a few months. £

is that the one who came and went 3 times?[:D]
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hard_ Posted on 12/10/2017 16:58

Are the days of the one club player - over.

 
Jack Butland, Leighton Baines, Seamus Coleman
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RMD2000 Posted on 12/10/2017 16:58

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" There's loads of internationals not playing for the big four or five."

Yep, look at Everton players too
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FrozenHorse Posted on 12/10/2017 17:01

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I think fans expectations have made a difference to this. We expect a turnover of 5-6 players a Summer when in the past 2-3 was the norm.

Meanwhile, we get bored of the solid but unspectacular one club pro: if a club doesn’t get promoted in 3-4 seasons, he’ll be labelled part of the problem and needs to be moved on. If the club does get promoted, he’ll be first target for a replacement.

I suppose someone like Leon Britton shows it’s still possible, but it’s very rare
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LeeTublin Posted on 12/10/2017 17:03

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Doesn't Zorro spout some sh!te.
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sasboro1 Posted on 12/10/2017 17:04

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when you get relegated players will leave if they are in demand to be repalced by inferior players. then when you get promoted you sign new playes who you hope are better and the previous players may move on. if you stay safe in the same league for a while then you will see less movement
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zorro_mfc Posted on 12/10/2017 17:07

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That's my issue frozen horse but I'm saying look at Sunderland, as it's quite realistic that two of their players could centre stage next summer as key players Henderson and poss Pickford.

But realistically what are the chances of this being the case had they stayed at sunlun.

As in the past we were a lot more accepting of players like Stuart Pearce not being at a Liverpool or an arsenal.

Southampton are another key club the eng side is littered in their alumni but how many of the present Southampton side would be considered.

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RMD2000 Posted on 12/10/2017 17:11

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"Doesn't Zorro spout some sh!te."

The whole premise of his argument makes no effing sense. Clearly not thought through well enough.
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zorro_mfc Posted on 12/10/2017 17:15
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Are the days of the one club player - over.

 
Ok let me simplify it could a great talent come through say West Brom's academy play for West Brom throughout their career (or the bulk of it) and be an England regular (in a key position).

As was the case with a le tissier, for instance (I now his eng caps were limited but no longer be doubts his talent) .

I just can't see it now as West Brom would be offered silly money and he'd be off to a Man City or a spurs.

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1finny Posted on 12/10/2017 17:20

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In the history of the last 20 years or so there are probably a handful of players who were 'one club' internationals

The OP is about 20 years out of date

What Lee Tublin said [^]
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hard_ Posted on 12/10/2017 17:42
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Are the days of the one club player - over.

 
So you're now saying he has to be an England international Zorro. Which is not what you said originally.

In which case I'd still give you Leighton Baines.
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Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 12/10/2017 18:28

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Baines hasn't been with Everton all of his career.
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hard_ Posted on 12/10/2017 18:48

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No, neither was Juninho, who the OP used as an example.
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erimus74 Posted on 12/10/2017 20:21

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[:D]
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Wordsfailme Posted on 12/10/2017 21:38

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And he's also using Le Tissier who was famously hardly ever selected for England as an example?
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WillMunny Posted on 12/10/2017 22:03
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Are the days of the one club player - over.

 
Ok, so we have Le Tissier, who was a one club man but couldn't be called a regular for England given he had 8 caps over a 4 year span.

And we have Pearce, who was an England regular and spent 12 years at Forest (I won't mention all of the other clubs he played for before and after). But Forest were a pretty big team for most of that period, finishing in the top 10 in the top division 9 times, including 3 top 3 finishes, 2 league cups and an FA Cup final.

And don't even get me started on Steve "never started a top flight league game" Bull.

If they're the best examples you can think of zorro, I don't really see where you are coming from. Which means that the answer to your question is "yes - the days of a regular international spending their entire career at a single non-elite English team are gone - probably by around 50 years". Have you only just noticed? [:P]
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MaggieThatcherRules Posted on 12/10/2017 22:17

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u been on the wine zoro? Its actually making less sense the more you speak [:D]
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zorro_mfc Posted on 12/10/2017 22:49

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I'll agree it's s rather convoluted post ( I should never have mentioned Juno as this muddied the waters) I guess my point is look at Ben Gibson.

Is there any possibility if he wants to stay loyal to his home town club ( as with le tissier) that he coild have a long and successful international career.

This situation was highlighted by the thread bemoaning a lack of variety of clubs being represented in the English national side.

Any way it was just widening the debate no need for the usual abuse.
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bear66 Posted on 12/10/2017 23:13

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Shawcross
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MaggieThatcherRules Posted on 12/10/2017 23:20

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You needed to say "unlike le tissier" in your last post, to really make it work.....
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zorro_mfc Posted on 12/10/2017 23:22

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Shawcross is an interesting one and yes it's an example of sort but he was also a product of these very top clubs I am referring to, given that he came from Man u.


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Derek_Duvall Posted on 12/10/2017 23:29

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It's like Bournemouth. I'm pretty sure if that Cooke and Daniels were part of any team around the top bit, or from London, they would have been capped by now.
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zorro_mfc Posted on 12/10/2017 23:31

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Exactly that derek.

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JLBR2301 Posted on 13/10/2017 00:05
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Are the days of the one club player - over.

 
Bournemouth have shipped goals galore since they were promoted and are always prone to being beaten by very poor sides. Hard to argue they are overlooked due to their club's status when Keane has featured in the last few squads, and Gibson got a call up despite playing in an utter shambles of a team.
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zorro_mfc Posted on 13/10/2017 00:14

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Keane (as with shawcross) is also a product (and ex player) of Man Utd.

Btw Gibson wasn't even given a single minute of game time even in a meany friendly and then subsequent dropped.

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JLBR2301 Posted on 13/10/2017 23:15

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Charlie Daniels is a product of Spurs.
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tryasize10 Posted on 14/10/2017 07:21

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Wow what a post. Does anybody actually know what is being discussed?

If the point regarding Bournemouth is what your getting at, are you asking, does a player need to be playing for a perceived top 4-6 club to play for England?

I'm massively confused 😕
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hard_ Posted on 14/10/2017 07:40

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Exactly what you said tryasize
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