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NeedWork Posted on 14/09/2017 08:34
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I wonder how this is going to go.Abolish it for me I despise paying money that ends up in the pockets of liberal loonies like Lineker. That corporation is crammed with his like.Let them rely on Advertisement and sales money like the rest have to do.We will see. My guess is as usual they will vote to keep this disgraceful tax in place.

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bear66 Posted on 14/09/2017 08:42

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I really hope they double it, then the BBC can give us everything Sky and BT does at a fifth of the price as well as all BBC content.
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stethegadgie Posted on 14/09/2017 08:45

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Well, it's all about opinions I suppose.
Mine is, whilst I accept the salaries paid to presenters are ludicrously high and certainly need reviewing, I'd still pay double to what I pay now if I could keep stupid, XXXXXXic adverts of my programming.
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NeedWork Posted on 14/09/2017 08:46
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Bear66: I really hope they double it, then the BBC can give us everything Sky and BT does at a fifth of the price as well as all BBC content.






You think the BBC will match what sky do for the football rights?

[cr][cr] Deluded .
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Truelies Posted on 14/09/2017 08:48

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Hahahahaha a cheaper alternative ??? All that would happen is it would be the same price as sky/virgin and then there would be no alternative to not having it.
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Truelies Posted on 14/09/2017 08:48

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Get rid of it! Outdated waste of time.
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Ticker_Tape Posted on 14/09/2017 08:52

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Id pay a subscription if I had to, I don`t use Sky nor Virgin.

Its a hell of a lot cheaper than Murdochs tripe and offers way more. They would just put a bigger cost to Sky/Virgin subscribers who watch BBC.
If they dont pay they dont watch it[pa]

So Redhearts be ready for an Iron post[:D]
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WoodallServices Posted on 14/09/2017 09:04

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As someone who travels a lot for work and seeing the dross served up around the world, all I'll say is careful what you wish for. If they doubled the licence fee we'd still be getting a bargain If they get rid of the BBC you wouldn't see the programs for the adverts.
NW there's a bit more to TV than football and if you think SKY and BT would be be charging what they do now then your very naive. Although you'd obviously be happy with a media run by right wing fcukwits and Murdoch lick spittle's.
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Paddys_Hole Posted on 14/09/2017 09:21

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As opposed to the left wing fcukwits and Guardian lickspittles[smi]
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FlapJacks Posted on 14/09/2017 09:26

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"Abolish it for me I despise paying money that ends up in the pockets of liberal loonies like Lineker."

Top marks for alliteration. You need to work on your clarity and quality of argument however.
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Ironops Posted on 14/09/2017 09:40

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BBC provides a brilliant service and is worth every penny of the license fee, cheaper than a Netflix subscription, far cheaper than Sky or Virgin.
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This_is_the_guy Posted on 14/09/2017 10:00

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The BBC will never go

It is the propaganda mouthpiece for the establishment

Hilarious that people are still thinking politics in terms of left and right - the agenda is totally changed - you are living well in the past.
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jam69 Posted on 14/09/2017 10:04

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Worth every penny for the radio alone [^]
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LetsGoJoe Posted on 14/09/2017 10:44

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They can keep it in place but it should NOT be enforced the way it is. It should be in the same light as Virgin Media, BT etc.

Not someone reading you your rights on the effing doorstep, taking you to court, fining you , then sending the bailiffs round if it is not paid.

How they have been allowed to enforce it this way for so long is staggering.

It should be a choice and you should be able to opt out of it. You should be able to say. "i dont want BBC channels on my TV" and then they remove them like any other company would.

There are lots of great channels that generate their money from advertising. I would be happy just to stick with those and pay NOTHING to the prawn sandwich munching, overpaid, sending 30 strong film crews all expenses paid all over the world for pi$$ poor shows, b^$tards.
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wilkinson37 Posted on 14/09/2017 10:49

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the BBC is a bargain. Id pay the fee for the radio alone, BBC Tees football coverage is fantastic
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mooghead Posted on 14/09/2017 10:50

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I can't think of anything that is better value for money.
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Rayman Posted on 14/09/2017 11:02

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Three sponds a week. Not broken. No need to fix it.
I do like the idea of studying how much it would need to go up so they could afford the footie mind.
Not everyone can afford Sky TV rates.
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WoodallServices Posted on 14/09/2017 11:20

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Does that mean the BBC were right wing when Labour were in power? Governments just don't like the fact because there is no vested interest apart from the taxpayer who they supposedly represent, that the BBC will openly hold them to account.
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Ironops Posted on 14/09/2017 11:22

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Rayman - quick look on google tells me that the last TV footy rights deal cost Sky 4bn. Revenue from the TV licence was 3.7bn in 2015, so its a bit more than double.

So for double the current cost of a TV license you would get the full Sky footy package.Roughly
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HotshotMFC Posted on 14/09/2017 11:38

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"It is the propaganda mouthpiece for the establishment"

if the establishment is the Labour Party, then you are correct.
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MawTheMerrier Posted on 14/09/2017 11:51

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Get shot! BBC is c r a p
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Ironops Posted on 14/09/2017 12:00
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'Get shot! BBC is c r a p'

Really? So you prefer ITV's low-brow garbage do you? Or maybe you dont watch TV at all, you prefer to read books?
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captain5 Posted on 14/09/2017 12:00

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Those on the left think it's right wing biased and those on the right think it's left wing biased.

I'm sure there's elements of both in individual cases, but that probably suggests that they're doing the right thing.

They're more likely to use more comment on whichever party is in government, because, well, they're the government.
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toxic_bob Posted on 14/09/2017 12:05

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I think the licence fee is far too low. I would willingly sell my house and all its contents to help the BBC.
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Ticker_Tape Posted on 14/09/2017 12:07

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Its worth the 10 times the money, are this mob of RWNJ the scruffiest 2 bob of them all[:D]

They know the cost of everything and the value of nothing.

Why are we plagued by them[pa]
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Jon_Mc Posted on 14/09/2017 12:13

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Well said Toxic Bob - another great quotre from a BBC show.

For myself, I think that quality should be forced upon the population of this country. All in favour here of a license fee that provides excellent value for money.

They can keep trimming the fat off the company though. I don't mind that. Keep Auntie lean and mean.
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Paddys_Hole Posted on 14/09/2017 12:16

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When I 'consume' the BBC (mid-morning) I have a variety of choices.

I can choose from either Feminist Propaganda on Woman's Hour or Feminist Campaigning with Victoria Derbyshire or Feminist indoctrination from Emma Barnett.

Thanks for the diversity Auntie Beeb[^]
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Ticker_Tape Posted on 14/09/2017 12:24

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Mid-morning, what sort of a job is that you have Paddy?
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bear66 Posted on 14/09/2017 12:26

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"You think the BBC will match what sky do for the football rights?"

If they doubled the licence fee, it would raise three times as much as sky plus bt pay for Premiership football rights.

And I'd be paying a quarter of what I do now.

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Ironops Posted on 14/09/2017 12:28

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Sounds like you have a few issues with women there Paddys Hole, nasty divorce was it? Mummy didnt love you?
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jam69 Posted on 14/09/2017 12:31

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There's always men and motors paddy
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Jon_Mc Posted on 14/09/2017 12:32

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...and all I ever read from the Sky Fan Boys is how often they phone up, threatening their favourite TV company with leaving unless they give them another 'special offer'. There is much to smile at in life.
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captain5 Posted on 14/09/2017 12:33

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You could listen to Chris Warburton on 5 Live; Homes Under The Hammer featured Butt Lane this morning, so I'll make sure I use the fabulous iPlayer later for that.

There's plenty of choices.
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plazmuh Posted on 14/09/2017 12:44

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The sky money WAS your licence fee origanally

That was the B elemant in BSKYB

So you have paid for the majority of PAP you

now receive anyway..

This is exactly what Branson intends to do

with the NHS in the long term..

Make you pay Twice for your medical needs..

Much Love
Plazmuh
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BigT Posted on 14/09/2017 13:16

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I never understand the negativity over the licence. If you don't like it, just opt out. You still get radio, and the best dramas and documentaries end up on other services down the line anyway, which can be cheaper (as well as offering additional content and convenience).
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Ticker_Tape Posted on 14/09/2017 13:19

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Paranoia is what the OP and his cronies suffer from.
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mikeyyyy Posted on 14/09/2017 13:30

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"You think the BBC will match what sky do for the football rights?"

why not?

doubling the license fee will increase revenue by 3.75Bn a year.

Sky only pay 1.4Bn a year for their football rights.

If BBC took over the AD Revenue too the service BBC could offer would be FAR superior. (and cheaper than sky TV subscription)
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TheFair86 Posted on 14/09/2017 13:44

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Clearly they aren't going to be able to double the license fee though because 1) there would be hell on and 2) you're assuming that sky wouldn't just up the bid
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Paddys_Hole Posted on 14/09/2017 14:04

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You lot get worse.

Why would wanting a propaganda free BBC mean I have a problem...seriously?
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RC92 Posted on 14/09/2017 14:04

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"Clearly they aren't going to be able to double the license fee though because 1) there would be hell on and 2) you're assuming that sky wouldn't just up the bid"

This. [^]

It may sound simple enough to double the license fee to cover the football rights, but try explaining that to everyone who doesn't have an interest in football.

Sky will have only paid what is necessary to secure the rights; if BBC matched them, Sky would simply up their bid and so on and so forth.

Not all of the 3.7bn would be used on football rights either. If they tried that then BBC's other television and radio divisions would demand greater funding which in turn would trickle down to pay rise demands from employees. All of that 3.7bn would be budgeted to different divisions.
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Ironops Posted on 14/09/2017 14:23

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Since when is feminism propaganda Paddy's Hole?

I get not all the output is to everyone's taste - Im no fan of the One Show myself - but its remit is to cover all bases, so for every Mrs Browns Boys there a Poldark, for every panel show theres a Horizon.

Who else makes stuff as good - even half as good - as the Attenborough documentaries?

Nobody - coz you cant make stuff like that and make a profit out of it.
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FlarPhone_Warehouse Posted on 14/09/2017 14:31

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Its disgusting that to watch ITV you have to pay the BBC licence fee.

Its like making a man who takes the bus to work but a rail ticket for the privilege
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Ticker_Tape Posted on 14/09/2017 14:40

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Never watch it to many adverts.
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Doppelganger Posted on 14/09/2017 14:53

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One weeks programming on Sky Atlantic is better than you will see on the BBC in a whole year.
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captain5 Posted on 14/09/2017 14:58

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Flar, that's a terrible analogy. I buy a Zonal Tube/Rail Oystercard which allows me to use the bus for free.
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Ironops Posted on 14/09/2017 15:06

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'One weeks programming on Sky Atlantic is better than you will see on the BBC in a whole year.'

[:D]
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junos_boots Posted on 14/09/2017 15:07

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I'm fairly sure that the 4000000000 tax payer subsidy the rail companies get means that the man that walks to work is paying for the railways!
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Borocelt Posted on 14/09/2017 15:10

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"Why would wanting a propaganda free BBC mean I have a problem...seriously?"

You don't want a propaganda free BBC though old boy, just like your posts on this board, you cannot stand anyone not fully agreeing with you, or aggressively pushing your own view. So you stamp your feet and squeal about it.
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BeelineBus Posted on 14/09/2017 15:28

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Ironops

Feminism is a political movement so daily, unchallenged advocating/championing of feminism and feminist issues is political propaganda.

fwiw I think that the non-political output (documentaries, dramas etc.)is excellent and the BBC try very hard to make the discrete political output neutral however the topical, current affairs output is usually left wing/feminist.
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Ticker_Tape Posted on 14/09/2017 15:36

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Perhaps that is their audience, if there are enough misogynistic rwnj they will provide output for them.

I can see there is an imbalance in the BBC.
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Paddys_Hole Posted on 14/09/2017 16:16

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borocelt...I can assure you I do want a propaganda free BBC.I believe their charter states that they should be unbiased and balanced.

And as for 'not standing anyone', 'aggressively pushing' or squealing then I think you have me mixed up with someone else.
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Borocelt Posted on 14/09/2017 16:26

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Yeah alright. It's not like you aggressively pursue your own political agenda on here and round on admin with your band of little chums when they don't give you what you want. I must've just imagined your petulant squealing the other day. [:D]
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Torslander Posted on 14/09/2017 17:23

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Back on topic, as well as paying for a wealth of quality local and national radio stations (plus three TV channels, one of the world's best news platforms and occasional educational forays like the micro:bit), the licence fee also part-funds Channel 4. Abolish the licence fee and what are you left with on terrestrial TV? ITV and Channel 5. Love Island and Cruising with Jane McDonald.

[xx(]
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BeelineBus Posted on 14/09/2017 17:30
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If they could just stick to the good stuff.
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TheBoy007 Posted on 14/09/2017 17:32

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I'd keep it as long as they make a commitment to being less bias. The hatred and bile they spout at Cornyn is a disgrace.
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Emmersons_BrazillianDong Posted on 14/09/2017 18:40

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I think the BBC is great but the enforcement and targeting of the poor and vulnerable is disgusting.

Make licence evasion a non civil matter rather than a criminal offence
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r00fie1 Posted on 14/09/2017 18:43

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State propaganda channel forced upon the population who have to pay to be indoctrinated.

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Truelies Posted on 14/09/2017 18:44

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It is a civil matter and is not a criminal offence, that's why private bailiffs are issued and not police, it's also worth knowing the bailiffs court warrant is illegal and not enforcable. They rely on bullying and hard line threats to make people pay.
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Paddys_Hole Posted on 14/09/2017 19:25

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borocelt...seriously, wtf are you talking about you crackpot
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TeessideCleveland Posted on 14/09/2017 19:50
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Not one of yous has suggested actually scrapping the BBC - why?

Why should the government have anything to do what we watch or listen to?
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zorro_mfc Posted on 14/09/2017 20:03

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Whilst I agree the Beeb is far from perfect it does make tv based on content rather than profit and as such we see amazingly diverse range of programs. Look at BBC four yes it's niche and may not rival xfactor anytime soon for ratings but it produces some same fine programs.

The BBC is THE best broadcaster on the planet bar non as it covers an amazing range of media ranges and it's depth of programming is unrivalled.

As above I think it's critics need to be wary and be careful what you wish for.
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