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Big_Nothing Posted on 16/07/2017 17:11
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The minutes of the Middlesbrough Supporters Forum meeting show that the club have decided that they don't believe enough expat fans would pay the £110 subscription fee for the service to cover the "significant fee" the club would have to pay the EFL to provide the service.

Have to say i am massively disappointed. The vast majority of clubs in the EFL almost all of which will have considerably smaller budgets and fan bases have paid the fee to be able to provide this service to their fans.

We as a club will be obliged to provide streams of our home games for opposition clubs iFollow service and any away game against any of the clubs involved will be shown on theres as well.

Almost every single one of our games will be available to watch for fans outside the UK, just not our own fans because we won't stump up the cash for fans thats lives have taken them outside of the UK.

Think I'll probably send an email letting them know how i feel about it for all the good it'll do.

Cheers MFC, thanks a fcuking bunch. [V] [V]
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picol Posted on 16/07/2017 17:26

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Frustrating that [V]
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The_Lizards_Jumpers Posted on 16/07/2017 17:27

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Think I'll probably do the same, but as you say expecting no change in their stance

I already pay for a season ticket, even though I live in California, and would happily pay another £110 to be able to watch live games.

However it seems the club are continuing with their smalltime, localized model of support not even imagining that someone could dare to leave the TS postcode and thus able to support the club from afar.
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canyoudigit Posted on 16/07/2017 17:31

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Does that mean we can watch away games on sportsmania if the home team have opted into the ifollow service?
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Jostler Posted on 16/07/2017 17:34

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I've just emailed the club to ask.

I don't even live abroad, but I might like to move to Canada in the next couple of years so setting a precedent.
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wartle Posted on 16/07/2017 17:35

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MFC in middle finger at fans shocker.

I'd have been more surprised had the outcome been the other way.
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Chappy112 Posted on 16/07/2017 17:38

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Well that's XXXXXX annoying but not at all surprising with this club.
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Teessider74 Posted on 16/07/2017 17:42

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Another disgruntled expat here.
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boro19 Posted on 16/07/2017 17:51

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The problem is it didn't cover the matches we are on Sky meaning you will miss a quarter of games anyway.
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7_The_Informer Posted on 16/07/2017 17:58

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Well based on my correspondence with the club, which I put o here a few weeks ago, I am not surprised in the slightest.

However, I think the reasoning is incorrect. If they bought into iFollow, then they'd be buying into the standard EFL website hosting/design which they don't want to do. However, they have been told that they could use the iFollow feed, for a fee. I just think that they are too technologically inept to do it. As well as incredibly small minded.

I think that it is a pretty damning indictment of the state of the club.
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parmoboro Posted on 16/07/2017 18:03
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From a Sportsmania access point of view it may not make much difference that Boro have opted out. As was mentioned in the OP Boro are obliged to provide streams of our home games for opposition clubs signed up to the iFollow service. Therefore if e.g. Burton Albion are signed up to iFollow then their away game at the Riverside will be streamed and, in theory, Sportsmania could get access to that stream all being well. You'd probably get a Burton Albion commentary but so what! So if, and it is a big if at the moment, Sportsmania can potentially access all club streams via iFollow then it doesn't really matter if Boro are signed up or not. The only occasions it'll be problematic is when two clubs play each other who aren't signed up to iFollow.
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uncle_rico Posted on 16/07/2017 18:06

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Boo Monk out! Or maybe Steve Gibson! Do we still hate Gaston? Has Downing left yet? Booooooooo!
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7_The_Informer Posted on 16/07/2017 18:07

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It could well be all the talk on these and other fora about illegal streams that have had the club thinking that no one will pay for it.
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Amer_Out Posted on 16/07/2017 18:16

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Another disappointed expat here. I always check our fixture list before booking my annual trip back to UK so I can watch a few Boro games. When you think of the huge amounts the club is willing to burn on crap players and staff you'd think they would be able to lose a few grand as a goodwill gesture to overseas fans, who, like me, have spent thousands themselves on supporting the club over the years. Like others, I'm disappointed but not surprised. MFC has always had a very small-time mentality behind the scenes.
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poo_from_the_top_of_a_wardrobe Posted on 16/07/2017 18:20

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As a season ticket holder who has lived away from the area since I was 18 this doesn't surprise me one bit! Gibson and the club are small minded and never look outside The Teesside area when taking decisions on things such as tickets, merchandise and beam backs. They wrongfully assume as a MFC fan you live in Boro. This can be incredibly frustrating. In terms of digital marketing the club is also years behind and the decision to reject ifollow is no real surprise and shows a lack of understanding of the opportunities available and how audience habits are changing. It would seem that EFL are thinking too big and ahead of the club on this one, which is a credit to them really. MFC has always been an amateur setup and I guess this is probably the result of the club being run as a hobby rather than that of a serious business.
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boro19 Posted on 16/07/2017 18:29

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The problem is they would have to do the work themselves they want a TV company like in NBC for the premiership to provide everygame. But with this they will have to pay and provide the stream themselves.
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poo_from_the_top_of_a_wardrobe Posted on 16/07/2017 18:32

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The club film every game for the tv screens around the stadium so I doubt that's it?
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Jostler Posted on 16/07/2017 18:37

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I can't believe I'm going to ask this with all threads that get floated around, but how does Kodi / Sportsmania work? I've never really paid attention to previous posts
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GraftLikeNegredo Posted on 16/07/2017 18:50

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Sportsmania have already said they will probably find it very difficult to provide the streams for ifollow matches and it will be unlikely that they are showing them, certainly not for a good while anyway.
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polly Posted on 16/07/2017 18:55

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Seems to me like they ain't got a clue what there on about if teams in lower divisions opted in to ifollow who have a lower fan base than us then how did these clubs think it was worth the money .also they don't need to opt into ifollow they can do there own thing like derby villa Leeds have done that way they have more control over the product if that's what there worried about as for boro fans getting value for money we have been snubbed by sky and the 3 pm foreign game for a lot of weeks our game v Bolton will be live on foreign screens that's it so the service would be great for overseas boro fans I no that Leeds are showing there games on a 5 pound a match basis so looking at this there is no reason why we couldn't do the same absolutely clueless once again get your finger out mfc
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Buddy Posted on 16/07/2017 19:07

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Am I right in understanding that this product will show all matches to people watching (or appearing to watch) outside the UK, but not to those presenting as UK-based?

That seems - don't know, can't put my finger on it. Odd. Imbalanced. And presumably indicative of how they want the next broadcast contract to go if it works.
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MrIsaac Posted on 16/07/2017 19:20

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"I can't believe I'm going to ask this with all threads that get floated around, but how does Kodi / Sportsmania work? I've never really paid attention to previous posts"

You buy a device (I use an Amazon Fire TV box) and install Kodi onto it which in effect is the operating software.

After that you can install addons such as Sportsmania, open an account and then watch any sporting event that they are streaming.

You do need to educate yourself about the basics but this is easily done via YouTube clips and Facebook or Twitter forums.
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rob_fmttm Posted on 16/07/2017 19:26

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Serious question. What do you think the level of demand would be from exclusively foreign based Boro fans for ifollow?
Could anyone come up with any kind of guesstimate of numbers that might sign Up?
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andforthisreason Posted on 16/07/2017 19:32

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Surely impossible to predict that number Rob. But I have a season ticket and will go to around 1/4-1/3 of away games and I'd have purchased it for that price! Think £110 is very reasonable for that and would have attracted a lot of subscribers
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Jostler Posted on 16/07/2017 19:32

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Cheers Mr Isaac [^]
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polly Posted on 16/07/2017 19:35

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Isn't that looking at it in a negative way though if you put a difrent spin on it it wouldn't be hard for boro fans who live at home to sign up to it there's plenty of easy ways to do this it's better for the club then than people signing up to iptv i.e. Sportsmania based apps at least boro fans would pay the money to the club instead of some dodgy service its small minded thinking by our media side at the club and like I said earlier they don't no what there talking about
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jack31439 Posted on 16/07/2017 19:37
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I'd at least go to the effort of linking the minutes of the meeting!

The reason outlined for not taking up the service (whether or not I agree with it) are as such;

Only available to fans outside of UK and Ireland.

Costs a minimum of £110 per subscription.

Up to 46 games a season, as any live games would not be shown via this service.

HD quality but at most grounds only single camera broadcasting.

Basic Package comes with no commentary.



Link: Boro Minutes
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dooderooni Posted on 16/07/2017 19:43

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Maybe we're not planning on hanging around in the division? Or more likely we're just continuing our parochial attitude.
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vanguard Posted on 16/07/2017 19:47

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Im glad as i will be at most away games so dont feel like a fraud havin to watch it on a dodgy channel
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7_The_Informer Posted on 16/07/2017 19:49

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It's difficult for us to say here, Rob, but I'd be interested to see to what levels MFC went to gauge support for the service and if anyone would pay the money. If they had looked into it and found on,y 100 people would sign up then that's fair enough I some ways.

My guess is that they made no effort whatsoever. They have my details on file and also I contacted them earlier in the summer about it yet I haven't heard anything.

This is beyond shoddy it's just ridiculous.
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rob_fmttm Posted on 16/07/2017 19:49

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Would we get hundreds or even thousands of foreign based fans - it is exclusively for those living outside UK signing up for £110 a season?
You do not get any game that is on tv at home or abroad for that subscription fee. You get one camera on the half way line. No commentator. No replays.
Does it buffer, like people experienced v Oxford?
Is everyone on this thread based abroad?
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jonny_greenings_sock Posted on 16/07/2017 19:57

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Really strange and frustrating attitude.

I'd hazard a guess that the expat fanbase would be the group of supporters most able and likely to afford this service, since the vast majority will have moved for better-paid work.

I'd have happily paid £110 to be able to watch all the games without hassle and would have felt good about contributing some money to the club, even though I live abroad so can't buy a season ticket anymore. I'll also happily find the games illegally for free now the club aren't giving me that option. Shame, would honestly rather have paid.
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poo_from_the_top_of_a_wardrobe Posted on 16/07/2017 20:04

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For £110, surely every serious expat fan would sign up?

So really for it to stack up the club would just need to understand the number of expats we have?

When you look at the other clubs signed up without our fan base it makes no sense.

My thoughts are this decision has probably been made based on a fear of this service affecting attendances at the Riverside in this country.
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rob_fmttm Posted on 16/07/2017 20:08

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jonny - Boro were having to pay a fortune to opt in to ifollow. They would need to know that hundreds of fans were up for the subscription.

I get the impression that they are frustrated with the product on offer.
£110 - but no guarantee of number of games - they are not allowed to broadcast games showed on domestic or foreign tv. I heard a story that the number was actually 12 games for one Championship team last year. We won't be that bad but what if we go to the top of the league?
Second - having only one camera and that positioned on the half way line, no action replays and commentary. That seems to be 20th century to me.
But you know what if you think there are large numbers prepared to pay living abroad then it might influence them. You never know.
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polly Posted on 16/07/2017 20:10

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Rob why hasn't the club done there own thing as the other clubs have done who opted out of I follow all the points the club raised at the meeting about the production and comentray of the I follow service is the main reason other clubs done there own thing to produce a better quality service derby are having a pre match build up show and an after match show comentators multiple cameras at home that's why the bigger clubs opted out of I follow .we are so far behind the times it's embarrassing as for the money issue Leeds are doing 5 pound a game it's just small mindedness by the club again
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poo_from_the_top_of_a_wardrobe Posted on 16/07/2017 20:13

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Rob - why didn't the club do a pre registration to understand numbers rather than making assumptions?

The product may have limitations but £110 is reasonable. That is money that will now just end up in other streaming services pockets.
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rob_fmttm Posted on 16/07/2017 20:15
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For the record there were other matters discussed at that meeting that I am totally at loggerheads with the clubs position on.
But I think Boro want to offer their own digital service - they have wanted their own website for years. They wanted to drop paywalls and offer as much as they could for free but I know it sounds bizarre but in some ways EFL seem far harder to deal with than the Premier.
EFL are looking after all their members of course. But as fans why do we have far more advanced notice of games being switched in the Premier than the EFL for instance?
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7_The_Informer Posted on 16/07/2017 20:17

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So I know of over 100 Boro fans in the US which must mean that there are many times this which I don't know about. Would every Boro fan sign up, no, but I would say 25% of them would.

How many are needed for Boro to think that it's commercially viable?

For crying out loud, Barnsley have signed up for it. I know the one Barnsley fan in the US that anyone is aware of, so the potential is certainly there.
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poo_from_the_top_of_a_wardrobe Posted on 16/07/2017 20:23

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I think take up would be higher than 25%.

If the issue is production quality then I assume the club plan to roll their own product in time for the start of the season? Yea right. They wouldn't know where to start. They've only just started using social media properly.
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rob_fmttm Posted on 16/07/2017 20:26

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Most of the clubs that have signed up have opted to take EFL digital service. It was over 50 - Barnsley might be on that list.

I wonder how we can gauge the true demand from abroad? Do we think there would be hundreds interested? Boro will know how many people look at their website from different countries.
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boromike85 Posted on 16/07/2017 20:30

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There would also be many people within the UK that don't or can't go to the games that would subscribe anyway. At present, there is no way to watch these matches without being there or even to get a decent highlights package. This would allow people to put some money into the club and see the matches they can't go to. I know those people aren't legitimately their intended audience but why not let them anyway.

Short sighted, small minded and living in the past really. Every single game was available last season for free. Many people signed up to sportsmania etc to see them. Did it affect revenues in any way? We sold out, or close to, most games home and away. This is a chance to capture that group of fans which I imagine is what the other clubs have done.
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polly Posted on 16/07/2017 20:34

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Excactly boro Mike
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Buddy Posted on 16/07/2017 20:37

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But the club can't take those people into account, because they would be watching through some sort of VPN or proxy, which can't form part of the business model.
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poo_from_the_top_of_a_wardrobe Posted on 16/07/2017 20:38

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Great most Mike [^]
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polly Posted on 16/07/2017 20:41

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And another thing why are we the only club worrying about how much we have to pay the efl for the service anyway we're not XXXXXXing Poundland
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BobUpndown Posted on 16/07/2017 20:48

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if the minutes of the meeting are correct it isn't worth £110.. 1 camera.. only non Sky games.. & only to none UK clients..
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uncle_rico Posted on 16/07/2017 20:50
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All these people who use kodi (or similar) both in the U.K. or abroad hardly pay anything, if anything at all, anyway.

Seems like this is just another excuse for people to be disgruntled and a stick to beat the club with?

The phrase "can't do right for doing wrong" springs to mind.


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polly Posted on 16/07/2017 20:56

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That doesn't make sense as the club can make money from people buying there service instead of watching for nothing on kodi
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yobbo1 Posted on 16/07/2017 21:01

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According to the minutes we will be paying 45 pounds for audio commentary next season. If the choice is that or video for 110 pounds, then the choice is obvious!
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glover_elbow Posted on 16/07/2017 21:03

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Rob what are these other issues you are at loggerheads with the club about. Can you enlighten us
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mexicanman Posted on 16/07/2017 21:05

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I was looking forward for to this to happen. Bummer.
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polly Posted on 16/07/2017 21:10

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Leeds offering 5 pound a game how many boro fans would take this option up
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Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 16/07/2017 21:13

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Having travelled to many different countries for work over the last decade or so, one thing stands out for me. The number of Boro fans I've shared offices with, pints with and televised Boro matches with.

If you know anything about Teesside you'd know how far its workforce have had to travel since the early 80's.
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rob_fmttm Posted on 16/07/2017 21:14

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glover - yes - we asked the club if they would do a reciprocal deal for away fans with Ipswich Town. To pin the cost of away tickets at £25 for these fixtures. Ipswich have done this deal with a small number of other EFL clubs.
Boro declined.

Link: Ipswich away cap
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dooderooni Posted on 16/07/2017 21:16

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Unless the club are going to provide their own service then they are essentially encouraging fans to seek out illegal sources.
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dragged_up_in_whinneybanks Posted on 16/07/2017 21:26

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Small-minded, parochial response from the club. As people have said, many teessiders over the last 50 years or so (me included) have had to leave the area to find work, but have continued to be fanatical supporters of the club. This is a kick in the teeth for them
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Emmersons_BrazillianDong Posted on 16/07/2017 21:26

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"All these people who use kodi (or similar) both in the U.K. or abroad hardly pay anything, if anything at all, anyway.

Seems like this is just another excuse for people to be disgruntled and a stick to beat the club with?

The phrase "can't do right for doing wrong" springs to mind."

So Boro are right on this one and the other 95%+ clubs are wrong?
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boro19 Posted on 16/07/2017 21:30

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From the clubs perspective the cost of Ifollow for 1 season may be too much because as soon as we are in the Premiership every single match is available to watch online for free because of the premiership international broadcast deal.
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buffaloboro Posted on 16/07/2017 23:22

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I for one would have paid. They should have tried to fit a few years to assess the take-up. Maybe they are basing the numbers on old boro+ data?
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Cleveleyssmoggie Posted on 17/07/2017 09:01

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Ipswich have ripped us off for years, so I can fully understand MFC's position as Ipswich will only bring a tractor load so it would make business sense.
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BoroLadDownUnder Posted on 17/07/2017 09:32

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This is such a blow for every overseas Boro fan.

Having spent the last year in Australia watching the Boro every weekend live and in good quality through a streaming service through my mobile provider (Optus Sport), this option is a great idea.

Between iFollow, the live televised games through BeIn and live updates via FB/Gazette, watching Boro abroad should be a top experience.

Anyone think that its got to do with keeping up Boro+ Radio Suscribers to listen to Maddo and BBC TEES?
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LeFlem Posted on 17/07/2017 09:44

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This is can do no wrong Gibson putting the supporters first before profit! I have losing faith in Amer oh sorry Gibson
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kenna Posted on 17/07/2017 09:52

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This does not surprise me whatsoever. [:(!]
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TheFair86 Posted on 17/07/2017 09:58

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It doesn't surprise me seeing as many people say they use kodi cos it's free, some would pay £110 but many would just want it to be free still

It's a basic package with no commentary as well so that would drive costs higher or persuade more people to stream instead as its weird watching with no commentary
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weemoby Posted on 17/07/2017 12:20

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Please forgive my ignorance on this, but is there any update on radio commentaries for those of us outside the Radio Tees catchment area?

The Boro+ service is no more, so what is going to replace it?

Thanks in advance!
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atypical_boro Posted on 17/07/2017 12:43

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I've just actually started a thread on that weemoby. Boro want to make it free but the EFL won't let them.
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Borocelt Posted on 17/07/2017 12:49

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Of course they did. Just like they charge anyone living outside a Teesside postcode to listen to BBC commentary via the website (or did for years, that may be gone this year).

I'm not surprised at all. This club has been anti fan for years, and it's run by out of touch cretins.
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atypical_boro Posted on 17/07/2017 12:51

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Borocelt, that appears to be an EFL regulation rather than something the club wanted to do, according to the meeting minutes. I'd imagine all clubs did it.
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captain5 Posted on 17/07/2017 13:50

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Cleveleyssmoggie -don't understand what you mean about Ipswich.

Ipswich will now charge US more to go to Portman Road just because Boro won't take up the reciprocal deal.

They've essentially made 1K + Boro fans pay more because they won't offer a discount to a few hundred Ipswich fans.
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rob_fmttm Posted on 17/07/2017 13:51

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That is the case. Boro wanted to drop the paywalls on their new website. They wanted to offer audio free along with lots of video replays and interviews etc.
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BarnesBoroFC Posted on 17/07/2017 16:16

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What the actually fcuk.

Yes there would be no commentary, but it's safe to assume there would have be sound. I got by okay without commentary at the riverside.

Looks like they don't want want our money, as I for one won't be paying for radio, if video is an option for overseas fans of other teams in the championship.
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BarnesBoroFC Posted on 17/07/2017 16:30

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Actually according to the EFL iFollow website the stream could include a commentary, it would be down to the club to organise it.

"What commentary will be used on iFollow?

Commentary to accompany games on iFollow is managed by EFL clubs. Please contact your club should you have specific questions on your club’s commentary."

Rob, did this just come down to cost?
Didn't we just get a windfall from being in the premier league?

Bitterly disappointed by all this.
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boromike85 Posted on 17/07/2017 16:32

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Part of the package already includes the radio commentary. It doesn't take a genius to sync the 2 together as a worst case scenario.
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polly Posted on 17/07/2017 16:36

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The company called neulion will have a central hub we're all the live streams go to then each game can have its own comentray from there I've wrote numerous posts on here bout the services that are on offer just wish the people who are having these meetings on our behalf actually new what they were talking about
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boromike85 Posted on 17/07/2017 16:45

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I think part of the problem is that there is no representation for fans that live outside of Teesside. All of the people that attend the meetings are people like Rob who live local and go to every home and away game. While they might be aware that people might have issues they have no experience of them which is fair enough but it means they are mostly ignored.

I think there has to be some acceptance that not every Middlesbrough fan does or even can attend every game (or even want to). There's a huge section of our support that live outside of the area that the club seem not to even acknowledge. This can be seen in their substandard approach to Boro+ over the years and the ridiculous £6 delivery charge on any order from the club shop which prevents me from buying anything as it's such a rip-off (not even next-day delivery, that's £10).
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Big_Nothing Posted on 17/07/2017 16:48

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The club aren't willing to shell out for it, plain and simple. Which considering so many other smaller clubs with smaller fanbases have, is a disgrace.
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rob_fmttm Posted on 17/07/2017 16:56

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Supporters South are part of the Forum set up - I invited them in. Unfortunately for the first time they were not able to attend the meeting. They usually do this by skype link or send a proxy to the meeting.
I really think foreign fans disappointed by this decision should try and get a survey together of how many would be willing to subscribe to a tv service.
There is a big group in USA and Australia both on facebook - that would be my starting point.
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polly Posted on 17/07/2017 17:00

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Rob it's embarrassing your trying to justify the club not doing it every other club will be doing this so why are we so special in not doing it we are so out of touch it's scary
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whinneybanksaint Posted on 17/07/2017 17:04

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Polly.. i just wish you could spell properly yer thick chunt!!
Its where and knew ffs... embarrasing [xx(]
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polly Posted on 17/07/2017 17:19

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Don't go on spelling you should be XXXXXXsssed off aswell it's a joke
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rob_fmttm Posted on 17/07/2017 17:21

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I argued that there was a lot of interest in the service on fmttm. They had seen the threads.

You need to come up with some sort of figure of how many people outside the UK would subscribe to a service. Even a poor one with one camera.

Polly are you yourself inside or outside UK?
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polly Posted on 17/07/2017 17:22

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I'm the only person on here who nos what the product is going to be obviously no one at mfc has a clue it's obvious in all the things being spoke about at the meeting
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Chappy112 Posted on 17/07/2017 17:27

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Why do the fans have to come up with a figure for interest? Don't the club do their own research ffs? They come across as proper amateurs when it comes to off the field things.
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polly Posted on 17/07/2017 17:28

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I'm from the USA or sometimes Brazil can I ask again what difference does it make to the club whether people buy it behind a vpn and watch in the U.K. Or abroad mfc still get the money so the argument is pointless about how many people would subscribe how many do you think burton will get
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atypical_boro Posted on 17/07/2017 17:35

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Chappy, whose to say the club haven't. I'm pretty sure if the club felt they could make money from it they would do it, they obviously feel it isn't commercially viable for whatever reason. Yes there's an argument to say they should do it anyway to help fans who live abroad, but that makes any survey pointless.

I would imagine our decision is something to do with the club not being on ifollow enough because we expect (or hope) to be on Sky regularly, and so they feel its a waste of money as there won't be many takers.

Or maybe its cos they know everyone will still just subscribe to sportsmania or similar for much less money, in which case, who could blame them? Maybe they've been tipped off that Sportsmania will show the games?
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Chappy112 Posted on 17/07/2017 17:39

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So 95% of clubs signed up for iFollow and yet Boro with one of the biggest fanbases and probably some of the most fans abroad in the EFL decide not to?

Your point about being on Sky doesn't make any sense, you pay the £110 at the start of the season, how would fans know how much we are going to be on Sky?

And from what I gather there's a high possibility that Sportsmania won't be able to get these streams anyway.
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rob_fmttm Posted on 17/07/2017 17:40

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They said they have done the research - go prove there is demand for it.

It absolutely has to be evidence from outside UK. The EFL would go crazy otherwise.
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38Red Posted on 17/07/2017 17:53

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If I were the club I would worry that ifollow could impact home attendances. People could effectively subscribe (via VPN) to live coverage of all games at the Riverside other than those on TV anyway. Some would choose to do so rather than attend in person.
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polly Posted on 17/07/2017 17:56

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What rubbish I'll watch illegally like everyone else would much rather give my money to the club even if sportsmania based products have the matches most boro fans would pay for a legit service as you no the product would play better clueless
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Emmersons_BrazillianDong Posted on 17/07/2017 19:26

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38 Red how are attendances last season when record numbers were watching illegally?

Rob you're a good guy and you're right in the best way to change their mind would be to gauge interest from abroad. A quick survey from the respective supporters groups (who use social media regularly) might at least give them something to think about.

But the club have shown disregard for their fans on this one and when smaller clubs can do this it looks even more arrogant. Add their dismissal of a reciprocal agreement capping away tickets at £25 and it shows how much of a community club they are.

Don't get me wrong it's always a difficult balance to strike between helping fans and not running the club like a charity but they shoot themselves in the foot an awful lot.
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Jostler Posted on 17/07/2017 19:48

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Just got this reply from the club

"Thank you for your email regarding the iFollow service being implemented by the EFL.

At this stage, the club has neither opted-in or opted-out of the service and the suggestion that we have opted out seems a little premature. Once we have seen a full proposal of the service the EFL plans to offer fans – and the capability and reliability of the service - we will discuss fully and make a decision from there.

One thing that may be of interest to you for the new season is that we are in the first phase of launching a digital platform that will see an increase in our free-to-air video content and a vastly improved new-look for our website.

A second phase will be launched at the start of the season which will include an all-new matchday offering which will transform the way we currently cover our matches via www.mfc.co.uk.

Thanks again for getting in touch,

Kind Regards"


so may not be dead in the water yet!
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Chappy112 Posted on 17/07/2017 19:52

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That's the same reply someone else got a few weeks ago I think. Probably just fobbing you off.
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LeFlem Posted on 17/07/2017 20:49

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Rob, does it always have to be about profit? How about the fans who can't get to see the Boro and live or work abroad? Does Gibson care about these people or just £!
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Borocelt Posted on 17/07/2017 21:00

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I think it's perfectly clear from the second he hiked prices when we were promoted. Of course it is.
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BarnesBoroFC Posted on 18/07/2017 00:34

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I agree with Chappy. They are deliberately being ambiguous in that email. They literally say nothing substantial, which is quite impressive given they wrote 3 paragraphs.

It can be read in multiple ways, but it points more to them streaming an audio commentary. I could be wrong, but given how they are overcharging fans within the Teesside area, I won't hold my breath in regards to any perceived acts of kindness for those abroad.
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7_The_Informer Posted on 18/07/2017 00:43

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Jostler, that is the reply I got a few weeks ago, word for word.

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buffaloboro Posted on 18/07/2017 02:08

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Can't someone in this site with a basic knowledge of Survey Monkey or something like that set up a quick questionnaire? Maybe the gazette could be contacted to run the story for those ex-pats who don't access this site?
I am not a computer whizz but I'm happy to help out
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The_Lizards_Jumpers Posted on 18/07/2017 03:15
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I'm going to be deliberately provocative, but if you live abroad then MFC doesn't really care about you.

Let's put aside any sort of romantic notion that MFC cares about anything other than revenue (note not profit as Gibson to his credit more than subsidizes the club). However as an overseas fan how much do you contribute to the club on a yearly basis ?

I'm guessing the number of overseas season ticket holders is in the 10 - 20 range, and so for the rest of you it may be a shirt once a season or a match ticket whenever you're "home" for Christmas or a visit

Therefore what's the driver for the club to please you, if you accept it's all about revenue?

That is probably the reason we'll not see any sort of concession made on this, there simply isn't the appetite from the club to please their overseas fan base if it's going to cost them anything.

Harsh, but looks like the way it's going, and I say that as someone stuck in California without a way to watch this seasons matches.
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The_Lizards_Jumpers Posted on 18/07/2017 03:26

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Ok, here's a surveymonkey. If enough people complete it then I'll send it to the club in the hope they may reconsider.....

Link: Surveymonkey
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El-Guapo Posted on 18/07/2017 03:38

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100
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LeFlem Posted on 18/07/2017 05:29

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Lizard you are probable correct but does all the years supporting the Boro mean nothing? I think the heart has gone out of the club and Gibson isnt doing much to get it back.
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BarnesBoroFC Posted on 18/07/2017 07:34

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Lizard jumper, I can agree with a lot of the points you make, and thank you for setting up the survey. I have posted it on my Facebook, and messaged some friends.
Hopefully others will do the same.

If you haven't already, I will stick your survey up on CoB as well.

In response to your question, one insentive for the club would be all of us that use BoroHD+ living overseas, would quite likely (in my eyes) sign up for an official streaming service.

We also have random fan groups in China, etc. Who might sign up to it too.
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LeitrimBoro Posted on 18/07/2017 07:44

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I'm not surprised about this development.
Mr. Gibson's 'A local club for local people' approach is naive at best.
Remember this is from the chairman who said people in Stockton support Sunderland.
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captain5 Posted on 18/07/2017 08:49

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I think what's been said in the last few posts is probably correct.

Rob - I saw there was a reference to Boro Pride in one of the previous sets of minutes. Was there any detailed discussion of that or was it just a no, not bothering?
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Cleveleyssmoggie Posted on 18/07/2017 08:50

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Why after Jostlers email, are people still being "outraged" over a decision that has not been made?
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atypical_boro Posted on 18/07/2017 08:59

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"Harsh, but looks like the way it's going, and I say that as someone stuck in California without a way to watch this seasons matches."

Probably correct Lizards, it is clearly all about revenue rightly or wrongly, but then again if you're a Boro fan living in Skye or Cornwall you are just as badly off, and the EFL aren't offering any service for these people to watch games where these people live. They're expected to fund and drive x hours and stump up £XX for a ticket. In fact the EFL won't even let them listen to it for free.
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boromike85 Posted on 18/07/2017 09:27

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Last season we were available to watch every single minute of every single match in many countries all around the world. The exposure is huge but the club do nothing to try and capture those fans.

Other clubs do. Even Sunderland have a decent following in Africa because of pre-season tours etc. As a club we seem happy to only have fans that live close enough to get a bus to the game.

We will have picked up new fans last season, it happens, for whatever reason, despite how terrible we were but they won't hang around if they can't see us. The club needs a major re-think of how it interacts with it's long-distance fans.
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rob_fmttm Posted on 18/07/2017 09:39

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It was a No from the club to Boro Pride. I remember part of the answer was that there are so many people with season cards that having a Boro Pride doesn't get you much advantage any more for away tickets.



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captain5 Posted on 18/07/2017 09:44

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It also got us a discount on home match tickets as well.

Shame. It's one hell of a way to encourage us to go to away games instead of home ones.

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Big_Nothing Posted on 18/07/2017 11:01

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"Why after Jostlers email, are people still being "outraged" over a decision that has not been made?"

Because that's the same wishy washy email they sent out before they confirmed the opt out in the meeting mentioned in my OP. It's a kop out email.
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buffaloboro Posted on 18/07/2017 12:50

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Lizard , I'd agree that we shouldn't expect a business to be too emotional . That said, the argument for the club in developing this could be thus:
1 - info re possible revenue streams ( foreign based fans (.
2. - the chance to develop more £ from said data base
3- development of brand awareness and loyalty ( the brand of the boro that is).

I wouldn't expect a subsidy but I'd be shocked if this wasn't looked into in some way .
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Big_Nothing Posted on 18/07/2017 12:53

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We shouldn't expect a business to be too emotional...

Fair comment but why has almost every single other club in the EFL stumped up the cash for this for their fans abroad? The ones who haven't opted in have negotiated the ability to provide their own service which will have involved a fee to the EFL.
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buffaloboro Posted on 18/07/2017 14:17

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Big nothing, idk ? Maybe boro ser themselves as a premier club where , to some degree, the £ flows regardless?
Even if they gave the project to a MBA student I'm sure there must be some value in at least making us foreign based fans part of the ' model'. I've two young kids and they were kindly bought full boro strips but when it's all man city, XXXXXX etc in the local sports shops if they decide to get into footy it's going to be hard to keep them with the boro if they can't watch the games.
Thus that's 2*60 years of revenue down the swanny
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Big_Nothing Posted on 18/07/2017 14:41

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It's as angry as I've been at the club in some time. It's the fact the option is there in black and white and the club don't want to or can't be ar5ed to go with it and their reasoning is poor at best.
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Peartree_productions Posted on 18/07/2017 15:04

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I feel the same Big, it shouldn't be an issue. Personally, living in Sweden I'll get a fraction of the games for four times the cost without ifollow... And no one cares about production values, fair enough if they don't want to rival derbys match day experience bonanza, just go with the single camera and we'll all be happy. Chuffed even.
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Big_Nothing Posted on 18/07/2017 15:13

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I can honestly say that I'd be commending the club, shouting from the tree tops how happy I am with the progressive and considerate choice they'd made if they opted in. We live in a global world, yes, my heart is still with the boro though and I love watching us play. It will never beat having a few pints with the lads and going to the ground, the atmosphere of a live game but it will let me keep up to date with how players are doing and form my own opinion on our performance as a whole rather than relying on 2nd hand accounts and handpicked highlights. Thoroughly p!ssed about it.
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polly Posted on 19/07/2017 15:05

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Only Boro v shef Utd live on sky and the Bolton v boro game picked for international live coverage so I'd say it's looking like good value for money for overseas viewers if we opt in
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polly Posted on 19/07/2017 15:05

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Only Boro v shef Utd live on sky and the Bolton v boro game picked for international live coverage so I'd say it's looking like good value for money for overseas viewers if we opt in
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Big_Nothing Posted on 19/07/2017 19:25

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The club are now saying they have received new information and it is under consideration. Best be quick [xx(]

Link: Update
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Juan_Sheet Posted on 20/07/2017 23:52

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There would also be many people within the UK that don't or can't go to the games that would subscribe anyway.

Yes i would be one of them I'm here in Essex & my business is open weekends so i have to be here most of the time.

I do get to the London based away games & a few home games when I'm back visiting family.

The games i can't get to i watch on Kodi not because its for free but because its the only place i could see the games.

In this day & age with technology now surely football clubs should offer a TV season Ticket make it the same price as a season ticket at the ground I would gladly pay if i had the option to.

This wouldn't stop me getting to as many games as i could watching it on the telly would never ever replace being there.

I would far rather do that knowing I'm giving my money to the club than some faceless media company.
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Big_Nothing Posted on 21/07/2017 00:04

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Unfortunately Juan i feel that would be viewed as illicit. The line that's been drawn in terms of broadcast rights is the UK border and people within the UK are expected to stump up if they wanna see the Boro. I agree with that to an extent but at the same time i don't think it would compromise attendances in the way they think it might. A tough one.
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BarnesBoroFC Posted on 22/07/2017 00:24
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Hoof for the weekend.
Any movement on this, Lizards and Rob?

Thanks again, and like some posters above, if the expense grows I too would be more than happy to chip in.
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