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hard_ Posted on 19/06/2017 19:22
Connor Mahoney
 
 
Latest winger linked to us.

Out of contract at Blackburn, under 20, with an estimated compensation value of 250,000.

Anyone got any information on him?
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SmogOnTheTees Posted on 19/06/2017 19:24

Connor Mahoney

 
About to sign for someone else.
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amc55886 Posted on 19/06/2017 19:26

Connor Mahoney

 
"Apparently" hes making a decision on either us or Nottingham Forrest.

20 year old so hes no spring chicken [:P]
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amc55886 Posted on 19/06/2017 19:30

Connor Mahoney

 
"Likes to run at defences has pace and can cross a ball.. Need to toughen up a bit though."

Words of a Blackburn fan on twitter.

Couple nights out in Boro will toughen him up.

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JLinardi Posted on 19/06/2017 20:46

Connor Mahoney

 
Funny how a few people are wondering if he's got the u23s to develop when he's only a year younger than traore who is expected to be the finished article.
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Torino Posted on 19/06/2017 21:16

Connor Mahoney

 
Is Traore your son ?
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JLinardi Posted on 19/06/2017 22:00

Connor Mahoney

 
No I'm his agent
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sasboro1 Posted on 20/06/2017 11:17

Connor Mahoney

 
sell traore for what we can, save 40k a week and take a punt on this lad. far cheaper option and probably got as much chance of making it as traore
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hopesoboro Posted on 20/06/2017 11:20

Connor Mahoney

 
You're such a happy chappy sas.
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Ironops Posted on 20/06/2017 11:23

Connor Mahoney

 
Sas is right
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go_nads Posted on 20/06/2017 11:35

Connor Mahoney

 
Take a punt on a player who has been released by a side relegated to the third tier of football?

What do we do, if he shows glimpses of talent, but the rest of the side are poor, the coach is so defence minded that attacks are rare with no onus to support the attack?

What if in a vey poor side, where nobody has good statistics, being the lowest scorers in the country, where a former Spanish international striker and England winger are poor, he also has poor statistics?

Do we ship him out and start again?

You keep going on about 40k a week, like it's your money, the club can afford it.
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coluka Posted on 20/06/2017 11:46

Connor Mahoney

 
You dont try to smash a league by taking punts
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sasboro1 Posted on 20/06/2017 11:50
Edited On: 20/06/2017 11:51
Connor Mahoney

 
"you're such a happy chappy sas."

not at all. it makes sense. traore is supposedly worth 8m+ on 40k a week. mahoney wil probably cost under 1m and a fraction of the wages.

i've seen thread on here complaining that we dont look further down the leagues and so here is an opportunity that is relatively not very expensive. he can continue to develop his game
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sasboro1 Posted on 20/06/2017 11:56

Connor Mahoney

 
"you keep going on about 40k a week, like it's your money, the club can afford it. "

you think the money comes off a tree? we need to slash our wage bill to realistic levels of being in the championship. traore is signed up until 2020. we need to get a better return on that wage. it wont just be him who the club might want to offload to slash wages.

downign and traore on a combine wage of about 90k a week is a very poor retun considring how poor they were last season. can we rely on them to fire us back up. downing was averagein our promtion sason. 90k a week could cover 4 very good championship players
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canyoudigit Posted on 20/06/2017 12:00

Connor Mahoney

 
He hasn't been released by Blackburn,they were desperate to keep him,he has turned down their contract offer and wants to move on to better things,going for a young lad with a lot of talent for a relatively low free is surely a no brainer
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go_nads Posted on 20/06/2017 12:28
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Connor Mahoney

 
"you think the money comes off a tree? we need to slash our wage bill to realistic levels of being in the championship. traore is signed up until 2020. we need to get a better return on that wage. it wont just be him who the club might want to offload to slash wages."

We need to compete in this division, you are advocating getting rid of a player who has not been given an opportunity in a decent side, and replacing him with a player who is in the exact same position but played at a lower level. Can you not see the hypocrisy?

Mahoney was 25% of a midfield that was unable to keep Blackburn up last season, your argument on another thread was that Traore was 25% of a terrible midfield, therefore he isn't good enough.....

You just cannot accept that Traore can't be judged yet. If the club came out and said we can't afford him, that's fair enough, he has to be sold, but we are being told that we are in a good financial position.

If we are in such a position that Adomah was sold, and his replacement bought, but we cannot afford him, the season we go down, questions again need to be asked at the clubs lack of foresight.

I don't know much about Mahoney, but if he is a good player, he should be added to the squad, the midfield was short last season.



"downign and traore on a combine wage of about 90k a week is a very poor retun considring how poor they were last season. can we rely on them to fire us back up. downing was averagein our promtion sason. 90k a week could cover 4 very good championship players"

Really? You honestly think 20k a week will cover promotion chasing ATTACKING midfielders? That might get you a defensive midfielder looking to be in the midtable/payoff's.

You also need to consider that if we are looking to get promoted and established, we need to be looking at players capable of holding their own in the PL. 20K will not get that attacking wise - we found that out last season.

Downing can go for me, should have gone last season, such a terrible buy.
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sasboro1 Posted on 20/06/2017 12:37
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Connor Mahoney

 
"We need to compete in this division, you are advocating getting rid of a player who has not been given an opportunity in a decent side, and replacing him with a player who is in the exact same position but played at a lower level. Can you not see the hypocrisy? "

we will compete. traore is basically too expensive player for what he returns. we are now in the championship. we can reinvest the wages and transfer fee on 3 very good championship players(or some very good loan players) who will make us stronger than just hoping traore can have more than 1 good game a season. basically we can get a lot better value elsewhere

mahoney, is a player with potential for the future at the fraction of the price of traore. he doesnt have to be a first team regular at his price. he can go out onloan or allowed to develop without the pressure.

traore 8m value, 40k a week.. you expect a real return on that to get us back up.

mahoney 1m fee 5-7k a week. a player for the future perhaps and still leave 7m and 30k a week to bring in 2 very good players.(permanent or onloan)

for promotion you need that consistency from players. you wont go up relying on players who perform once very 10 games. thats what it was like with ledesma..etc
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wombledon Posted on 20/06/2017 12:45

Connor Mahoney

 
If he's signing, it will be for the U23 side, with a view to development into the first team if he's good enough.



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go_nads Posted on 20/06/2017 12:46
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Connor Mahoney

 
Do you really think any young player, in his first season, could have come away from last season with any credit? Just answer that one question. We were poor attacking wise in the promotion season, Karanka's philosophy and style of football was just so poor offensively.

3.5 million will not buy you title chasing attacking midfielders unless you unearth a hidden gem. 15K a week will not tempt decent attacking players to the club.

You want sure fire, top 1-2 championship, attacking players, those players are also going to be wanted by lower league PL teams, so your going to have to pay PL wages. 40k+ is the going rate.
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sasboro1 Posted on 20/06/2017 12:52

Connor Mahoney

 
i'm sure we could pick up a creative midfiedler who is more consistent than traore at a cheaper wage. we jsut cant rely on a player to put in 1 good game ever 10 to lead us to promotion.

one thing we gained under karanka leading to promotion is that you need consistent players, players who can sustain a high level for 90% of games. if you have a more players who are inconsistent then it becomes very difficult to get the whole team firing as one at their peak often enough. this is why we need craetive midfielders who can score and create. because you cant jsut rely on 1-2 players to bag all the goals. other players have to be capable of chippingin with a few.

so if we have downing and traore playing. that limits us on who in midfield can chip in with goals. add in a defensive midfielder like clayton then tha leaves 1 or 2 positions for midfielders who can score.

fans cmpalined we didnt score enough last time we got promotion, so we need some goal scoring midfielders
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Dr_Drake_Ramoray Posted on 20/06/2017 12:55

Connor Mahoney

 
After Rhodes, it seems that Traore is Sas's new pin cushion. I wonder who'll be next.
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sasboro1 Posted on 20/06/2017 12:59

Connor Mahoney

 
"After Rhodes, it seems that Traore is Sas's new pin cushion. I wonder who'll be next."

i think its pretty obvious why we need to sell traore. if he had performed last season (like all our creative midfielders should have) then we wouldnt have gone down.

traore is the one everyone talks about, the rest of the creative midfield should go too. but no one talks about them.

lets be honest here, stick with downing and traore and we will at best be aiming at the playoffs. the only one i wouild keep is ramirez, because of what he did onloan, but his attitude stinks so get rid of him too.

do people reall want to keep some of these failed players and putting faith in them to get us back up?

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allied_assault Posted on 20/06/2017 13:02

Connor Mahoney

 
Your opinions sas about Traore are based on one season for us?
I respect your views on football in general but I can't help but thinking that this Traore will go on to be something special and we will be kicking ourselves for years to come for not persevering with him.
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sasboro1 Posted on 20/06/2017 13:08

Connor Mahoney

 
"Your opinions sas about Traore are based on one season for us?"

same as those who want to build a promotion season around him. he was the same at villa. anyway, you cant expect to get promoted if you build a team around players who turn it on once every 7-10 games

if you genuinely think he will be something special then stick a sell on clause into the transfer. but remember going up should be the priority because its 100m a season. that would still dwarf a potential 20m fee for traore in the future. i think there is a bigger risk we could end up stuck with him rather than worth a fortune. if nothing changes for him in the championship then we cant move him on.

we really need to build a team for promotion with player who can sustain it and be consistent. we wont go up if we rely on few players who are inconsistent. we have been there previously with these sort of of players
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Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 20/06/2017 13:09

Connor Mahoney

 
'sell traore for what we can, save 40k a week and take a punt on this lad'

it's like 1981 all over again!
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go_nads Posted on 20/06/2017 13:19
Edited On: 20/06/2017 13:23
Connor Mahoney

 
So you chose not to answer the one question I put to you, I think that speaks volumes.

People choose not to mention the rest of the attack because as far as most people are concerned they can go.

Downing, shocking purchase and was lucky not to have more hostility thrown at him the final match of the season - he will onloy get worse.

Ramires was a disgrace and will be lucky to find another decent club.

Negredo will be off to find another sucker club to pay his inflated wages, living of past glories (or hints of past glories).

Fischer no one will mind if he stays or goes, there is potential, especially at a lower level.

Bamford, most will be happy with and see how he plays this season.

Gestede - Meh, strange buy, file along with the Watford player we bought.

We have to keep some players

"i think its pretty obvious why we need to sell traore. if he had performed last season (like all our creative midfielders should have) then we wouldnt have gone down.2 - it isn't obvious.

How should he have perfomed, as a young player, in his first season, playing under a coach set up not to concede at all costs. In a misfiring attack, surrounded by misfiring players, picked on past reputations. Last season was a car crash, Juniniho in his pomp could not have rescued that mess.
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boro19 Posted on 20/06/2017 13:27

Connor Mahoney

 
Don't feel.like he will make it in the premiership we need players who can make the step up.
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Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 20/06/2017 13:39

Connor Mahoney

 
The thing with Traore is that he COULD develop into a world class player, or at least one which is worth tens of millions of pounds.

But equally, he may never realise that talent and potential - he's very young and his potential will be reflected in his price.

As opposed to someone like Admoah, who - at 27 - was pretty much as good as he was ever going to be.
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sasboro1 Posted on 20/06/2017 13:42

Connor Mahoney

 
is this your question, ive kind f answered it previously

"Do you really think any young player, in his first season, could have come away from last season with any credit? Just answer that one question. We were poor attacking wise in the promotion season, Karanka's philosophy and style of football was just so poor offensively."

basically 8m and 40k a week on an expensive project is too much for a club trying to get promoted. time to cut our losses and reinvest in players performing now. you might have a point if he chipped in with a couple of goals and assists. but all we see is dribblign with no end product. our creative midfield was so poor that we were relying far too much on traore. if had better quality he would have either been loaned out or making appearances from the bench.

even fischer seems to have more end product

but the bottom line is that we went down with a side very poor creativity and lack of goals. we cant afford to stick with the same creative players, it has to change. not just traore but the creative side. downing will be hard to shift but we can unlock funds if we can shift troare and ramirez.

but something has to change and we just can be relying on downign and traore again. the clubs interst is more important than an inconsistent player

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go_nads Posted on 20/06/2017 13:43

Connor Mahoney

 
Exactly..He is a player with potential, In just cannot fathom out how certain posters can completely dismiss the attributes he has and rely on statistics to try and back up the argument that he is useless.

There are few attacking players who would have come out of last season with any credit, under the way we were set up with the players we had around them.
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JLinardi Posted on 20/06/2017 13:50

Connor Mahoney

 
I don't get why you keep bringing downing up when people talk about traore? You must have said at least 10 times in various posts "if we stick with downing and traore", nobody is suggesting we stick with downing, most people just want to see what traore might do at a lower level, given the potential he has I don't think it's a bad idea.
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go_nads Posted on 20/06/2017 13:50
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Connor Mahoney

 
"basically 8m and 40k a week on an expensive project is too much for a club trying to get promoted. time to cut our losses and reinvest in players performing now. you might have a point if he chipped in with a couple of goals and assists. but all we see is dribblign with no end product. our creative midfield was so poor that we were relying far too much on traore. if had better quality he would have either been loaned out or making appearances from the bench.

even fischer seems to have more end product

but the bottom line is that we went down with a side very poor creativity and lack of goals. we cant afford to stick with the same creative players, it has to change. not just traore but the creative side. downing will be hard to shift but we can unlock funds if we can shift troare and ramirez.

but something has to change and we just can be relying on downign and traore again. the clubs interst is more important than an inconsistent player"

Traore did not costs 8million first of all. What did he cost, was it a straight swap for Adomah? I can't recall.

Traore was brought in with an eye to the future and he still should be thought of in those terms to some degree. His wages when he was bought were considered fair, why should that change now, as a "project" player?

Nobody is saying that we should keep the attack as it is, no one is saying that Traore should be the onus of the attack.

We will buy attacking players, hopefully decent ones and that they perform better than last season and I would hope, offensively better than the promotion season.

Next season should be used to develop Traore further, if he looks like he isn't good enough get rid then. We should have enough of a budget to be very competitive without getting rid of players with this much potential.


I have no idea why you keep going on about Downing.
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sasboro1 Posted on 20/06/2017 14:01

Connor Mahoney

 
"Traore did not costs 8million first of all. What did he cost, was it a straight swap for Adomah? I can't recall. "

i think the deal was seperate from adomah. reported fee around 7m

i agree he was brought in with an eye for the future. we should have had better players to keep us up and let him continue developing away from us relying on him in the first team. now we have been relegated the landscape has changed. we need players to perform now and cant afford to carry expensive players who have no consistency. promotion is the aim now. we need players who can be consistent to a high level

how would you feel if we could shift traore and then persuade villa to sell adomah?
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JLinardi Posted on 20/06/2017 14:04

Connor Mahoney

 
How do you know the plan wasn't to bring a more established rw alongside traore?
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go_nads Posted on 20/06/2017 14:06

Connor Mahoney

 
I think that would be a backward step, when we sold Adomah we already needed another right winger. We sold him so needed two, we brought in a player for the future. One of the many decisions that made no sense last season.

So how much did we get for Adomah and how much did he cost?
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TheFair86 Posted on 20/06/2017 14:07

Connor Mahoney

 
Have to assume that Traore's fee was up to 7m with adding rather than straight cash, most deals seem to be structured that way

Honestly cant comment on this guy but looked at his stats and 4 starts and 10 sub appearances, 3 assists. may be one for the future but doesn't seem like something thats what we need right away?
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sasboro1 Posted on 20/06/2017 14:11

Connor Mahoney

 
"ow do you know the plan wasn't to bring a more established rw alongside traore?"

you could be right, get someone in who is upto the level required. traore arrived ina storm but then faded and really struggled towards the end of the season

"may be one for the future but doesn't seem like something thats what we need right away?"

mahoney-
i think that would be the plan, he wont be an expensive signing, worth investing in and stick him in the u23 to start with and see how it goes.
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go_nads Posted on 20/06/2017 14:14

Connor Mahoney

 
I had a quick look, Adomah cost 1million and it's reported that his fee to villa was 6million. Traore was bought from Barcelona for 7 million, so if we got him for that, his total cost will have been 2million.

2million is fair enough, De Penna was similar wasn't he? So he isn't that expensive and can be used as a backup, sub and see how he gets on in the Championship with other funds being used to bring in a more established option if necessary.
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JLinardi Posted on 20/06/2017 14:17

Connor Mahoney

 
Explain this sas.

You say Mahoney is one for the future who should go in the u23 development team. Yet you expect traore who is only a year older to be the finished product?
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