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jmboro Posted on 20/03/2017 09:22
Anyone who thinks that was not an improvement on Karanka...
 
 
Can't have a clue about football as I seen players supporting negredo and players running beyond him.
Crosses coming in to box and more chances created in that game.
Changes made at the right time and not 5 mins before end.
Switching downing out wide whipping crosses in box as there was a part in that game were we looked like we were going to get back in to it and if negredo had connected with that side volley it would have ripped the net.
I feel very positive about the way we played and if we can take that to Swansea we have a chance as we played well and at least created chances.
No way would we have done what we did yesterday under Karanka and at least we had a go
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GibbosArmy Posted on 20/03/2017 09:23

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Do a FAO Adi_Dem
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coluka Posted on 20/03/2017 09:29

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Really [:O]

Changes were made at the wrong time, ie too late, but hindsight is a wonderful thing. initial set up was Karankaesque. Players applied themselves no better than Everton game.

Downing, Clayton and Valdes were excellent, Espinosa, De Roon and Barragan were poor. Leadboots and Fabio were not great either, but tried hard. Much better with 2 up top and greater directness. Shame we waited till 68 minutes to show it. Still Agnew is the new hero for now. Cant believe the hypocracy levels by some
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LOCOMANSIMON Posted on 20/03/2017 09:30

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Vast improvement for most of the game !
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The_GOAT Posted on 20/03/2017 09:32

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How is it hypocrisy? He was never going to reinvent the wheel and come out with 2-4-4 was he? He had two days before Man Utd came to town to try and influence the team in his own guise, without uprooting the whole team and leaving them, potentially, playing not knowing what they were to do.
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coluka Posted on 20/03/2017 09:33

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From some posters not Agnew [:D]
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flute_loop Posted on 20/03/2017 09:37

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A definite improvement on Palace,Stoke and City games. Not much of an improvement, if any, on West Ham and Everton.
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Adi_Dem Posted on 20/03/2017 09:37

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"No way would we have done what we did yesterday under Karanka and at least we had a go"

What, play 4-3-3, lose 3-1 and have 3 shots on target?

Yeah, someone disagrees that there was a step change yesterday and so they don't have a clue about football. [rle]
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The_GOAT Posted on 20/03/2017 09:37

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That's what I was referring to. Most people recognise he had limited time to influence and implement.
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toshoffathebillstash Posted on 20/03/2017 09:39

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Why are we comparing it to the Everton game? a rare half decent performance in months of utter rubbish
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GibbosArmy Posted on 20/03/2017 09:40

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If we played like that against Palace and Stoke we would not have got 0 points from those games.
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toshoffathebillstash Posted on 20/03/2017 09:42

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We scored Adi, thats already an improvement on the last 8 and a half hours of Karanka's reign and against the best away defence in the league
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flute_loop Posted on 20/03/2017 09:44

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Actually West Brom was a decent performance as well.

Unfortunately, I think AK had lost the dressing room, and therefore without change there was only going to be more Stoke performances than yesterday's IMO. However, I've named 3 games since the turn of the year (West Ham, West Brom & Everton) where we have played just as well as we did yesterday.
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toshoffathebillstash Posted on 20/03/2017 09:45

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and we got 2 points
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hopesoboro Posted on 20/03/2017 09:50

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Adi,you're in some sort of denial, but some of your stances in the last few weeks makes it difficult to assess.
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jono_feds Posted on 20/03/2017 10:01

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I think he was reluctant to make the drastic change for the beginning of the game but even then the likes of Gaston and Downing were still far better than they have been for a long time!

Man Utd are a good team and their attackers are much more skilful and faster than Espinado could handle. Had Chambers been playing alongside Gibson it would have been a different story and possibly a different result.

When we switched to 442, Mourinho made changes to cope with what he knew was coming and yet we still scored. Gestede then lost his mobility and we couldn't use movement in the box to create problems for the defence.

The performance was much better than the last few matches. Whether it is going to be enough to keep us up I don't know. We have to go on an amazing run now to have any chance of staying up and I think the best thing we can do now is to just fking go for it in every match.

If we play with intensity and just ping balls into the box, Downing from deep, Traore right down the byline and Gaston with runs inside and into the box we'll create goals and Gestede and Negredo will score them.

If the defence can get back to being less sloppy then we won't have to try and out battle better teams in the middle of the pitch. Just get it out to the wings or lump it up top.
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Marvanelli Posted on 20/03/2017 10:05

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Under Karanka we would never have went two up top in the 67th minute.

He never done it once that early.

So yes, it was already a different approach to what Karanka would have done and we caused them problems and created chances which ultimately got us back in the game.

It was a breath of fresh air to see us go for it at 2-0 down and manage to get a goal.

On another day, we may have even nicked it at the death.

Hopefully we go with the team that finished the game, at Swansea, because with Gestede and Negredo up front and Downing and Traore on the wings, we will cause any team problems.

United ended up with 7 defenders on the pitch come FT...says everything.
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SimonDavidWilliamson Posted on 20/03/2017 10:07

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get behind the team adi you bedwetter
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flute_loop Posted on 20/03/2017 10:08

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AK played 2 up front v palace & Watford from the start of the game.
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Gates Posted on 20/03/2017 10:09

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So people are comparing the performance by a team under a new manager with two days preparation against probably the best home performance this year? And they're coming to the conclusion it was the same? Sounds good enough to me. Imagine what we will be capable of when Agnew has a couple of weeks to work with them!!

I actually thought we showed more yesterday in an attacking sense than against Everton but that's just my opinion.

Adi, coluka and the like can't be wrong. They MUST be right! Just let them get on with it. The majority of us see reality.

[;)]
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bear66 Posted on 20/03/2017 10:10

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"On another day, we may have even nicked it at the death."

Which should have been at least 5 minutes longer. 4 minutes with all the changes / time wasting? Then 20 seconds over the 4 minutes with the brawl, the goal and a substitution.
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chopper Posted on 20/03/2017 10:12

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Sorry did I miss something WE LOST so no it was not an improvement.
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Gates Posted on 20/03/2017 10:16

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If only the game were that's simple chopper. Those who take a keen interest in how it is played and the intricacies involved in tactics, results and performances recognise that its a big more complicated then that.

Ever heard the phrase "we've played worse than that and won"?

[;)]
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sasboro1 Posted on 20/03/2017 10:17

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"On another day, we may have even nicked it at the death."

and on another day manutd may have been 3-0 up by half time.
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bear66 Posted on 20/03/2017 10:18

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Or 1-0 down with some average Boro defending taking place.
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chopper Posted on 20/03/2017 10:20

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not on here for a while[:P]
Some people seen to forget where Karanka took us from and to, but we were always going to struggle in this league with our, what is primarily a, championship squad.
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bear66 Posted on 20/03/2017 10:21

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Some clubs take most of a good League 1 squad to the Premiership and do quite well.
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coluka Posted on 20/03/2017 10:24

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Gates you say he only had 3 days preparation. [:D] Where do you think Agnew was prior to Thursday. Who has been assisting AK for the last two years.

Do you seriously think Agnew was not contributing and approved of the AK way? AK got shot of Higgy asap. You cant suggest Agnew was just doing as he was told and would not dare speak up if he disagreed. Agnew was wanted by Bruce and no doubt others so come on, dont be so naive.
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jono_feds Posted on 20/03/2017 10:25

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Against Palace and Watford we played 352 not 442. The roles of Downing and Traore worked much better as traditional wingers with a couple of options in the box and we've not seen that all season.
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bear66 Posted on 20/03/2017 10:26

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Clear from yesterday he must have disagreed a lot with Karanka tactics.
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toshoffathebillstash Posted on 20/03/2017 10:29

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Why are we still making excuses for Karanka? we have been shocking, Burnley made less signings than us in the summer and have found a way to win games, all we did under karanka was try and fail to stop teams playing.
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ExFootyLegs Posted on 20/03/2017 10:35

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well said Coluka.

To the OP : It's a defeat, same as stoke and all the others...
right now it's all about results and Agnew doesn't have an effing clue how to go out and grind a result out.
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coluka Posted on 20/03/2017 10:39

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"Clear from yesterday he must have disagreed a lot with Karanka tactics."

Not in the first 67 mins it wasnt. He did change it to a different style after that. I accept AK would not likely have done so though.
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Gates Posted on 20/03/2017 11:00

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Col - I thought you were a bit more clued up than that to be honest. If you can't see past the fact "we played the same formation so we played the same way" theory then I'm a bit disappointed.
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coluka Posted on 20/03/2017 11:09

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[:D]

There was effort, but no more than the Everton home game or the WHU or WBA home games

Stoke and Palace were dire and lackluster as were some others obviously. You can not judge Agnew on one game. If that standard is maintained to the season end then fair do's. Karanka had good and bad games clearly. Lets see if Agnew does too though before lauding a change in outlook and style
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The_263 Posted on 20/03/2017 11:10

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Why can't people just eat their humble pie and be done with it.

Gents, Karanka has gone, he failed miserably at the PL level and the football served up throughout his tenure was anodyne to say the least. One up front with 8 defenders is not sport.

He was a beaten months ago, but the Karankaphiles insisted his strategy of not scoring goals and all out defence would pay dividends. The transfers have been shockingly poor and now the incoming manager and Agnew will need to same serious turd polishing to finish the season on a high.

Some of you seem delighted that there was no fillip from the scoreline yesterday against a very expensively assembled sqiuad and one of the best teams in Eirope ( [;)] sound familiar ?)

Try and support the Boro and not your messageboard personas ffs.
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LOCOMANSIMON Posted on 20/03/2017 11:15

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Excellent post 263 !
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SimonDavidWilliamson Posted on 20/03/2017 11:19

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263 [^]
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coluka Posted on 20/03/2017 11:20

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Karanka did indeed fail and in the end seemingly lost the dressing room, therefore had to go.

It is not about Karanka v Agnew, its all about the Boro.

The players assembled by Gibson with help from AK, Agnew, Gill and Orta are simply not good enough. The team lacks sufficient pace and creativity. Our strikers and attacking midfielders are not clinical enough
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myfooty Posted on 20/03/2017 11:21

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"Col - I thought you were a bit more clued up than that to be honest. If you can't see past the fact "we played the same formation so we played the same way" theory then I'm a bit disappointed."

I have to agree with this from Gates.

Coluka do you normally go to the games?

Did you go to yesterdays game?
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boroskel65 Posted on 20/03/2017 11:28

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Shearer saying on MOTD that we need another type of striker, a nippy, speedy type finisher that goes beyond the defenders. Possibly a younger upgrade on Nugent?

I wonder who's fault we weren't looking to bring in one of those? The clue is probably in the term "second striker"!
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Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 20/03/2017 11:30

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There was definitely a tempo change, as with the poor previous manager the change came too late.

We waited until the game had gone.

Hopefully he'll learn quickly, he's seen it happen often enough.
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coluka Posted on 20/03/2017 11:33

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Myfooty. I have attended regularly since 1973 ST holder so hopefully that answers your question. Clearly if you have a different opinion to you, then you dont attend games [?] strange view (shaking head emoji)
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myfooty Posted on 20/03/2017 11:37
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No what is strange is you go to games but you believe that we played the same way as were playing under karanka.
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myfooty Posted on 20/03/2017 11:43

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"Shearer saying on MOTD that we need another type of striker, a nippy, speedy type finisher that goes beyond the defenders."

I noticed like me they suggested trying Traore upfront for his speed.[^]
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Dr_Drake_Ramoray Posted on 20/03/2017 11:46

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Should have appointed Adi Dem. The man knows everything and could have fixed it all by tea time...
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coluka Posted on 20/03/2017 11:48

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"No what is strange is you believe that we played the same way as were playing under karanka."

You ask me if i go to games? Yet ignore my post at 11:09 [:D]

I said it was no different really to some games I listed.

I stated earlier it changed for the better after 67 mins or so when we went 2 up top. Talk about taking things out of context and putting words in peoples mouths [:D]
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7_The_Informer Posted on 20/03/2017 11:49

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OP - nail. head.

The one thing which cost us yesterday badly was Espinosa. He's a shocking excuse for a centre half, for which we have to thank Karanka. Unfortunately, our options were very limited and I think that Agnew couldn't realistically throw in Dael Fry in that game. Hopefully out options in that department will be better for judgement week, starting with Swansea.
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Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 20/03/2017 11:55

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'The players assembled by Gibson with help from AK, Agnew, Gill and Orta are simply not good enough.'

Hasn't taken you long to stick the knife into Agnew [:D]

Karanka assembled the backroom staff didn't he?

Karanka picked the transfer targets.

He's gone, onwards and hopefully upwards.
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coluka Posted on 20/03/2017 12:01
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Not sticking the knife into Agnew at all Corcaigh dont be stupid

Agnew will have my support and I hope he succeeds. The fact that I see his appointment as lacking foresight is no slight on his admirable effort to succeed. I have stated this elsewhere. He cant change the players the club assembled and he will have been involved with in some way. Gibson is the one that needs to think long and hard about recruitment.
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Dibzzz Posted on 20/03/2017 12:02

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Of course we looked better.
And we wouldn't have if Karanka was there.

It's plainly obvious what needs to be done.

When we changed we had them on the ropes, pity we didn't have a few more minutes with that change.

Got to start like that now, the other system no matter how you tweak it doesn't produce goals and we now concede too.

You couldn't have had a more stark example of what works and what doesn't yesterday.
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Marvanelli Posted on 20/03/2017 12:05

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263 - Bang on.

Some posters refuse to accept they were wrong (which in football, even the best get it wrong) and continue to try and justify themselves - which ultimately makes them look like idiots.
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myfooty Posted on 20/03/2017 12:07
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"I stated earlier it changed for the better after 67 mins or so when we went 2 up top."

So do you think Clayton played in his 15 yard patch in front centre backs?

The centre midfielders were allowed play a game of football for a change.

I think if we had Friend and Chambers playing yesterday we would have got a result. It's always going to hard with Barragan and Espinosa playing together.
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coluka Posted on 20/03/2017 12:18

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"So do you think Clayton played in his 15 yard patch in front centre backs?"

No of course not, I think he didnt in some of the games I mentioned either. He did not play against Palace if i remember rightly either
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myfooty Posted on 20/03/2017 12:28

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When was last time you think Karanka never played a midfielder in the 15 yard patch in front of the centre backs?
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bear66 Posted on 20/03/2017 12:31

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"It's a defeat, same as stoke and all the others..."

I went to both games and they were not the same.
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GibbosArmy Posted on 20/03/2017 12:34

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263 again[^]

Some posters just cannot accept they got it wrong. Move on he has gone. The Karankaphiles need to move on[^]

Interesting even the national reaction, the summarisers on BT and a lot of people who watched the game as neutrals thought we played in a more positive way. They must be part of the Karanka-Lynch Mob
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dragged_up_in_whinneybanks Posted on 20/03/2017 13:24

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Two up top has been an obvious requirement for most of the season. Negredo simply can't operate on his own. He was much more involved yesterday and was looking for knock-downs from Gestede. Biggest problem we now face is getting the players to think positively and move the ball forward. Still far too much side to side and back passing yesterday. After months and years of Karanka negativity and brainwashing it is going to require all of Agnew's and Jordan's skills to get this transformation working. International break is a big bonus.
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Jonny_Ingbar Posted on 20/03/2017 13:38

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It was much of the same in many ways, but also there were some signs of encouragement too.

We moved the ball a lot quicker in the final third and we got behind Utd as much as I've seen us get behind any side this season.

Then we got a traditional 442 after the subs came on and we looked likely to get an equaliser, until VV really unlucky slip.

But conversely the back 4 looked exposed too often and we weren't as solid as under AK.

But judged against the last few AK games, it was definitely better.
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zorro_mfc Posted on 20/03/2017 14:39
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I agree with the OP it was a better performance

Every st holder I know have all said this morning it was an improvement we had tempo intent and scored.

I'm honestly at a loss how any boro fan can argue with what we all saw.

As above if Agnew was only just matching the wonderful free flowing brilliance of the Everton game (as it now appears to be) in his first outing. Then he's not doing too badly.
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Tonethemoan Posted on 20/03/2017 14:49

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Boro are NOT the only PL team that play sidewards,dsidewards,backwards.
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Tuncaythefunguy Posted on 20/03/2017 14:57

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Man Utd could have been 4-0 up at half time to be fair.

Only after 67 minutes did we look different. In fact we had more chances v Man City in the first half than Man Utd.
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bear66 Posted on 20/03/2017 14:59

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Or 2-0 down. Dreadful defending for their goal. Great save fro Ramirez and Negredo had an excellent chance that you'd expect an average striker to score from (Ramirez cross).
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coluka Posted on 20/03/2017 15:12

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My footy, your question was about Clayton and was specific, you now ask when he did not play a midfielder in front of the Centre backs.

All teams play a holding midfielder, AK did not make it Clayton specific all the time, others have done the role too as your latter post maybe eludes to. When we have the ball the CB's push up too with play and the M/F drop back in when we dont. The full backs took narrow when the opposition had the ball to compact play in the centre to protect the defence too.

Yesterday when we went 4-4-2 we were more fluid and looked more threatening and I have been saying even under AK that we need to adopt 2 up front. We do however need a holding midfielder though and I do feel they need the freedom to push up and get in or around the box, but you cant over commit as we are vulnerable to pace at the back
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myfooty Posted on 20/03/2017 15:37
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Coluka are you really trying to suggest all teams have a player in they team playing the same holding role that Clayton has been playing this season. If Clayton has played he has played that role under karanka this season. Others have played that role in games when Clayton hasn't played.
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coluka Posted on 20/03/2017 15:49

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I am saying all teams have a holding midfielder. Their exact role may differ though. Clayton has not always been within 15 yards of a CB either. His role though was to be the main defensive midfielder I agree and his job was to protect the defence if possible. Cant see why you have an issue with that tbh.

AK's mistake in my book was playing 3 defensive m/f's most of the time when we needed at least one of the others if not both to be a more creative pacy type of box to box m/f. Unfortunately the club failed to bring any pace in. They brought in Guedioura, I am not sure why he never gets played except as a sub. Even Agnew played the usual 3. He did allow De Roon and Leadbitter to push forward, but they both lack the quality at this level.

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zorro_mfc Posted on 20/03/2017 16:08

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Yes 1 holding mf sometimes even 2 but NOT 3 as we used to play that double up as a back 7.

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Adi_Dem Posted on 20/03/2017 16:13

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The sheer arrogance on display in this thread from the likes of 263 and zorro and the OP is staggering. Amazing that I get accused and pilloried by some of the same posters that are now posting this arrogant, condescending tripe.
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zorro_mfc Posted on 20/03/2017 16:15

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In what way Adi I'm happy to debate any point, I'm just saying what I think.

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Adi_Dem Posted on 20/03/2017 16:25

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"I agree with the OP if you didn't think that was better you should go watch a different sport"

This sort of nonsense zorro. Different opinion = watch a different sport. That's beneath you.
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bear66 Posted on 20/03/2017 16:26

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It was a good game. Even for the neutrals.
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zorro_mfc Posted on 20/03/2017 16:40

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Fair enough I'll retract that.

I was merely trying to highlight how it was good to see a positive approach fit a change and I think we all agree we did enjoy the game if not the result we had fight and a genuine attempt to try something new.

Let's hope we can now build on this
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coluka Posted on 20/03/2017 16:58

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Yes Zorro, we all enjoyed the game if not the result, just as we all said we enjoyed the Everton, WHU and WBA games too.

I appreciate you wanted him gone and in the end, he lost some players so, yes, he had to go.

However, he has done so much for the club in his tenure that some benighted posters turned on him and treated it like a pack of hounds chasing a fox. It was uncalled for and unfair given all he had done at the club. I accept that the football was not always easy on the eye but firmly believe that if AK had been given the pacy creative players needed he would succeed.

Sadly we are left with another rookie to save our season, but I am resigned to relegation and fear next year will be far more difficult than many with SA as head coach. I wish him all the best though and give him my support as I did AK
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zorro_mfc Posted on 20/03/2017 17:33

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Coluka I didn't want him gone at no time did I ever call for his sacking. I wanted him to change to admit it wasn't working and to change it, had he done that I'd have been delighted. But he was never going to as he didn't even as it anything was wrong.

But having said that if he wasn't going to change or adapt we as a club needed to act and we finally did.
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coluka Posted on 20/03/2017 17:36

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Apologies then Zorro, I thought you seemed to be in agreement with the sack him posters over the last few weeks.
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zorro_mfc Posted on 20/03/2017 17:38

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I just wanted him to change but sadly he was too stubborn.

Football is ultimately about goals.
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JLinardi Posted on 20/03/2017 18:25

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He was stubborn in that he wouldn't adjust his system to the quality of the players at his disposal.

I said in a different thread that we seen Man Utd pretty much play karankas system just with better players, that was probably his ultimate vision for us on a lesser scale but he just didn't compensate, or at least not enough for lower quality players.
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Alvez_48 Posted on 20/03/2017 19:01

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Col if you go back through my posts you will consistently see me advocating to change the system.

Every time it looked like he was going more positive I gave him credit but he always refused to make a positive change a permanent change!

That isn't mine or pogs or zorros fault.

Some of us just saw the refusal to learn before others.
Agnes may not be the answer (likely isn't ) but it's the HOPE of a change that makes us positive.
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Ticker_Tape Posted on 20/03/2017 19:46

Anyone who thinks that was not an improvement on Karanka...

 
Let's boil it down to did you enjoy the game more than you usually do.

I must admit I thought the players did too.
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zorro_mfc Posted on 20/03/2017 20:34

Anyone who thinks that was not an improvement on Karanka...

 
[^] ticker tape I think that's a good point.


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jmboro Posted on 20/03/2017 23:39

Anyone who thinks that was not an improvement on Karanka...

 
I enjoyed the one touch football that cut man Utd open at times.
I thought we did play the ball backwards allot but it was good to see us get stuck in and have a go.
When we went 4-4-2 we were more dangerous with downing getting allot of the ball in the box and I feel very positive about rest of the season UTB
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