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JaySilk Posted on 03/07/2020 15:43
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On OS now
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maccman Posted on 03/07/2020 15:58
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There is no pretence whatsoever that all this is being orchestrated from the Stevenage owner. The EFL are in collusion and determined to kick us out to save their mate. No respect for the independence of the panel who made the decision - corruption laid bare .
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phil_macc Posted on 03/07/2020 16:17
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When the EFL appealed the Birmingham decision they appointed a new panel. Not good. It’s been said so often it’s lost all meaning, but the EFL are a joke.

We’ve now got to put energy into this as well as formulating the financial statement for the end of July.

Timescale wise Birmingham’s appeal took just over a month.
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gtmacc Posted on 03/07/2020 18:02
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Joke of a decision, not respect for the fans or the independent sporting panel they chose to make a decision for them.

Unless tapped up by the EFL i don't see how a decision could change based on the last two disciplinary meeting minutes.

Unless the EFL have something on us they chose not to share last time around.

Just sticks of corruption with the Stevenage chairman doing what he can to change a decision.
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BrokenX Posted on 03/07/2020 19:51
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The EFL's mathematical error in applying the 13 points sanction before the PPG calculation instead of after may prove to be in our favour. The news reports acknowledge that we have effectively already been deducted over three further points for no reason other than the nonsensical way the calculation was carried out. Surely no panel would now cause us to be booted out of the league, as then we would have enormous grounds for a counter appeal. If we still exist that is of course.
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gtmacc Posted on 03/07/2020 21:24
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More details on the appeal on twitter
https://twitter.com/mjshrimper/status/1279126179631501318

Seems to imply it was done on behalf of clubs worried about the punishment not relegating us could lead to cheating in the future, absolute nonsense in our case, going to have submissions from other clubs at the appeals hearing.

Regardless what happens, its going to be a long draw out process of court cases.
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lythamandblues Posted on 14/07/2020 05:57
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As many have already noted, on various threads, it appears that the EFL are determined to rid themselves of Macc 'by hook or by crook' (though some would say we already have one of the latter!).

Not content with deducting an additional 3.16 points by stealth, over and above the 13 point deduction that was officially sanctioned, they then - having initially indicated that the Independent Commission's decision was binding (though as they'd previously appealed a Birmingham City-related decision, this may not have been the case) - appealed the decision, apparently under pressure from one or more of our fellow EFL2 Clubs.

BBC Manchester Sport is now reporting that Stevenage will be attending the appeal.

The charges raised against Macc (I thought by the EFL, rather than by Stevenage) were:

(a) a failure to pay salaries for March 2020 on time contrary to EFL Regulation 67.3; and

(b) an alleged breach of the terms of the EFL’s loan for that purpose, dated 10 April 2020 and contrary to its duty of the utmost good faith under EFL Regulation 3.4.

How do Stevenage have any involvement in either of these matters?

They don't pay Macc's salaries (though it appears that AA doesn't either!); and I can't imagine they were involved in the negotiations between the EFL and Macc re: the loan in April, so how on earth can they have any direct involvement in this matter - the mind boggles...

Of course, all this would have been moot if, when the loan was paid, the glorious leader had paid staff immediately, rather than 'sweeping' for a few days.

Sadly we've come to expect that sort of behaviour from him, it's just a shame that it appears that the EFL are now stooping the same levels...

Link: Stevenage will have chance to be heard at appeal
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maccjob Posted on 30/07/2020 22:46
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Stevenage statement following rejection of their request to be part of Macc appeal hearing - what he said and what he really meant (probably)[:P]



Chairman Phil Wallace said, "I have no issue with the Decision – the EFL remained neutral, as it should - and both ourselves and Macclesfield put our cases forward as to how Rule 96.1 should be interpreted.”

I’m absolutely furious with this decision - we were promised a seat at the table by the EFL to ensure Macclesfield go down and some XXXXXX independent barrister has now stopped that from happening.

“It is an interesting point of law as I don’t believe Rule 96.1 has been tested before, so it was new ground for everyone. As far as we are concerned, we would have preferred Standing to put our view to the Panel, but we are happy to rely on the EFL to fight the Appeal.”

Our useless lawyer has put his feet up since getting us off our EFL charge earlier this year and gave us duff advice. Luckily the EFL are as determined to see Macc relegated as we are so we can rely on them to do the dirty work for us.

"The EFL appeal is primarily based on the strength of how the EFL Board and many other EFL members feel when one Club systematically doesn’t pay its players on time over a season – six times in this case - and yet suffers no consequences.”

Nobody likes Macc, they aren’t part of the old boys’ club.

“Although it is very strange that the outcome of this Appeal will either relegate ourselves or Macclesfield, the EFL Appeal is about whether or not points deductions should be withheld or suspended if those points mean a Club suffers consequences from that deduction, be that missing promotion or the play-offs, or in this case, being relegated.”

This is nothing to do with relegation and whilst it may seem strange that we are the only club asking to be part of the appeal that’s just a coincidence - honest. That’s what my lawyer told me to say to the appeal panel however I now suspect he may not be as brilliant as he thinks he is.

"We do not believe that the consequences of a points deduction should come into any decision about whether or not they are implemented. Panels should be consistent in their sanctions and allow the consequences of those sanctions to be what they are. Further, our view – and we believe the view of a majority of EFL clubs – is that if any club systematically breaches the Rules whilst other clubs abide by them, then sanctions for those breaches should increase, not decrease, the more the Rule is breached. This is not the case in the last Macclesfield case, where the Chairman deducted points but suspended them so that the consequence of that – relegation for Macclesfield – did not take place. If that is the way it is supposed to work then what is the point of a points deduction at all?”

Macclesfield have had 13 points deducted and they are still above us in the table, luckily this season the effect of points deduction is increased under ppg to 16 points. Our dodgy lawyer should have advised Macc town to go straight into administration as this would have sorted out their debt problems and they would only have been deducted 12 points.

Unbelievably even with 16 points deducted Macc are still above Stevenage in the table - we have been the worst team in league two for decades. Despite being so bad I’m determined that Macc should be relegated instead of us.

"For our part, we believe the change we made to the Management Team would have seen us overcome the three points we were behind Macclesfield, with a game in hand, in the 10 games we had left to play, but we accept that we are in this situation through our own making.”

We are on our third manager this season which is also how many games we have won in the league. Our cunning plan was to have five more managers in the last 10 games and that should have resulted in 5 more wins according to our Director of Football.

"We understand that the Appeal will take place in two weeks time and that both ourselves and Macclesfield will know which League we will be playing in next season, shortly thereafter. This long delay hasn’t been good for either ourselves or Macclesfield as neither of us can sign players for League Two if we are in the National League and vice versa.”

The EFL left it until the last day of the 14 day appeal window to launch their appeal so this catastrophic delay is completely down to them. This has had a disastrous impact on the players and staff of both clubs, not to forget the stress and mental health impact that it has caused. I can’t criticise the EFL however as we are hoping they will do us a favour when the appeal is heard so let’s just leave it there.

“However, no matter what the outcome of the EFL Appeal is, we will start next season with a new Management Team, new players, new enthusiasm and a completely new approach to the way we do things at the training ground and on the pitch."

We have been signing players anyway and hope to get two or three new managers in before the next season starts just to be on the safe side. Our completely new approach to the way we do things on the pitch may involve actually winning some games but there are no guarantees.

Link: Stevenage statement
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bollingtonblue Posted on 31/07/2020 13:05
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Stevenage have just signed Tyrone Marsh who was judged by us not to be up to League Two standard when we were promoted a couple of seasons ago. Looks to me as though Stevenage have accepted that they will probably be in the National League next season, unless of course they see him as a reserve back up player.
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lymeview Posted on 31/07/2020 15:26
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I thought Marsh was quite a useful player, versatile. To be fair it is difficult to assess our players during the last couple of seasons as they were only being paid spasmodically - not great for morale.
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bollingtonblue Posted on 11/08/2020 12:46
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Well it's the 11th August and the appeal panel should be meeting. Maybe we will know our fate later today.
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Timberland Posted on 11/08/2020 14:44
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Maybe. More likely I suspect is that they will produce a written judgement setting out their decision and the detailed reasoning behind it, as they've done for previous hearings. That will take a few days.
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gtmacc Posted on 11/08/2020 14:58
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The Wigan decision pretty much happened straight away, i guess because it was in their favor.

Maybe no news is good news, I'm sure the EFL will be so delighted and tell us straight away if they get their way as it will kill off another club to add to their growing tally.
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