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silkmenman Posted on 05/11/2019 16:51
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Heard this rumour. If true, do you support them and agree with them refusing to play at the weekend?
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leedsblue Posted on 05/11/2019 17:10
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It's the last thing I would want to see happen (actually administration, relegation and oblivion is the last thing), and I think counter-productive from their perspective, but I'd understand the players making a stand and I suppose somewhat inevitable it would come to this at some point.
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Askey14 Posted on 05/11/2019 17:14
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Agreed.

It's sad but their options are limited - the club has been in breach of contract repeatedly.
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Silkmen11 Posted on 05/11/2019 17:29
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Good so they should
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oilboil Posted on 05/11/2019 17:48
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I'm happy for them to strike, saves us having to pay them, and so we can last another week.

If they don't play they should be fired, they have been paid (late admittedly) but they have been paid and so they should turn up
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lythamandblues Posted on 05/11/2019 18:19
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The logical approach (appreciate that doesn't always come into play where Macc are concerned) would seem to be to do whatever the PFA suggest / recommend.

If they have come to the conclusion that a strike is the only remaining option, then I presume it needs to be considered.

That having been said, striking this weekend could be construed as counter productive (dependent upon your view as to who would see the benefit) as there is money up for grabs - £12.5k for the BBC coverage, £36k for a win, as well as the possibility of further TV money should there be a replay and / or progress to the next round...
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Silkmen11 Posted on 05/11/2019 18:48
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Dont listen to oil boil think 80% on here now hes abit of a burk...
If you me or anyone didnt get payed or wasnt getting payed you wouldnt go to work ( you'd look elsewhere) and same applies for footballers.. i cant beleive some are still debating it STRUTH
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macchiavelli Posted on 05/11/2019 18:58
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If the players continue to work normally without being paid on time, it just gives AA carte blanche to perpetuate the situation for as long as it suits him.

This needs to be brought to a head now, one way or the other.
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bollingtonblue Posted on 05/11/2019 19:43
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Is it just possible that AA has got himself in to such a personal financial mess that he can't fund the club properly and can't transfer money from overseas sources easily. He can't go public with any of this as his business credibility (if he has any) would be further damaged.
The whole problem for me is that the £millions put in to the club by the Alkhadis some years ago should never have been described as loans as it was clear that they could never be repaid. Trying to recover that money now is what is preventing a change of ownership.
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saltpie Posted on 05/11/2019 19:43
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Oil Boil I have read your posts and some I have agreed with and others disagreed but can see your argument.
Howevwr in this case where you feel a strike by the players would save money is ridiculous.
By playing the game would give the share of gate money, £!2,500 from the television money and potentially £36,000 if we win the game .
In total potentially over £50,000 plus a second round game which would keep us going for longer than your suggestion .
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abu807 Posted on 05/11/2019 20:14
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They are already not training and 4 refused to play at the weekend due to the wages issue. They should 100% strike as it will teach Amar a lesson and make him realise this cant continue.

£50k is a drop in the ocean - what about the £100s of thousands he has stripped the club of?
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metz1984 Posted on 05/11/2019 20:19
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I agree,and as i have allways thought now for the last 18 months and i have stated on here more than a few times now this man is running the club into the ground,i think he has been promoised a big financial pay out if he completes what he is doing right now...
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metz1984 Posted on 05/11/2019 20:20
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So yes i am 100 per cent behind the players taking strike action...
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Littleboroughblue Posted on 05/11/2019 20:25
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I wonder when we have only played one senior game in two weeks why are those players who have not featured in the match day squad are not playing at tranmere tonight. Unless there is a strike it just doesnít make sense?
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Madkev Posted on 05/11/2019 20:35
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Players striking only serves a purpose if AA or the club are sitting on the cash and are just refusing to pay them. If itís a cash flow problem (which in all likelihood it is) it serves no purpose other than hastening the clubís demise and reducing the likelihood the players get paid in the next few weeks.

The loans from 10+ years ago were converted to share capital, so they are no longer debts or indeed loans. This I guess is why AA values the club so highly as he has £3m+ tied up as share capital.

The other c£2m of loans from AA and Ramy ltd have largely been repaid, although from the looks of it he has part done this refinancing the debt with funds from other lenders.

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silkmenman Posted on 05/11/2019 20:59
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Interesting to hear opinions.

Mine is boycott. Back our players and get Amar OUT.

Fully back any players that donít wish to play for free. Itís time to go AA.
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boomer22 Posted on 05/11/2019 21:23
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We need to play this game at the weekend to generate the funds to pay them. This leads to another tIe which could potentially be a money spinner and if so AA WOULDNT HAVE THE EXCUSE OF HAVING NO MONEY COMING IN TO PAY HIS WAY.
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oilboil Posted on 05/11/2019 21:31
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saltpie - I have to admit it had slipped my mind when I wrote my post that this was the cup w/e we were talking about and not just another league game.

You are right, the monies earned from just turning up to the cup game make it a "must happen"
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oilboil Posted on 05/11/2019 21:34
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Silkmen11 - thanks for your constructive views about me - which aren't warranted, helpful or even relevant to the discussion.

I guess I'll settle for the fact that you think I'm 80% Berk (the correct spelling of the word you used in UK English anyway) rather than an obvious illiterate (as proven by your woeful use of language in all your rants)
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Silkmen11 Posted on 05/11/2019 22:17
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Oil boil= pointless me writing anything back i just dont and wont agree with your views.
Good night
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Silkmen11 Posted on 05/11/2019 22:17
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And rants ha ha okay boris
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oilboil Posted on 05/11/2019 22:22
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silkmen - I've got no issues with you not agreeing with me - that's your perogative and it would be boring if we all thought the same.

I don't appreciate you calling me names though
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ohmatthewtipton Posted on 05/11/2019 23:10
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Genuine question for you ďOilboilĒ - Iíve never seen you once comment on a thread to do with on the field activity at MTFC (granted Iím not exactly a prolific contributor/reader of this board myself), yet you seem to be so knowledgeable on matters off it. I imagine you must be a fan, how is it you know so much about the finances at the club?
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dogbert Posted on 05/11/2019 23:19
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100% behind them
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oilboil Posted on 05/11/2019 23:20
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Good question. I don't know a lot about the specifics of the club finances, but I'm an insolvency partner in a very large audit company so I do know a lot about how the process we would go through works.

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Silkmen11 Posted on 05/11/2019 23:32
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Well i will say sorry.



If you buy Amar out[LOVE][:P]
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Silkmen11 Posted on 05/11/2019 23:37
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Are we agreed on one thing that AA cant keep running the club for a million different reasons?
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GrimReaper Posted on 06/11/2019 01:24
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A televised FA Cup game, with all the extra income it would generate, is not the time for the players to go on strike. Cutting off their noses to spite their faces, IMHO.
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macchiavelli Posted on 06/11/2019 07:45
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We will get £12.5k for limited coverage on Sunday (strike permitting!). A full live TV game would bring in £75k, but it would presumably have to take place in daylight, as our floodlights are inadequate.
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Madkev Posted on 06/11/2019 08:08
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Not sure what the obsession is about floodlights but if we had a TV game, the TV guys just bring additional floodlights. This is what they have done on previous occasions when we have had televised games.

I suggest the players need to turn up on Sunday first before we get ahead of ourselves.
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mj87 Posted on 06/11/2019 08:26
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I would play the game Sunday try and win
If wages aren't paid Monday Tuesday then go on strike
I really feel for players and staff
The only extra income we can make is from fa cup going out in 1st round is going to make the problem 10 times worse
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oilboil Posted on 06/11/2019 08:45
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Silkmen11 - totally agree that he can't run the club, I don't think he will voluntarily give it up but he has proven he can't run it time and time again.

I'd by MTFC if I had the cash, but even if I had the spare wonga lying around to depose AA, the amount of money you'd have to keep drip-feeding suggests we are looking for someone who already has 20+ million in the bank (so that the cash needed each year just comes out of the returns they make on their savings not eating into the cash pile)

MTFC will be a better place without Amar, I just can't see it happening as he wants every penny back and no one will do that
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lymeview Posted on 06/11/2019 08:56
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Just picking up on a comment by Littleboroughblue. It is possible that we have not registered our first team squad to play in the Cheshire Senior Cup.
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Askey14 Posted on 06/11/2019 10:21
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AA must realise there are only two choices here: sell the club for at least something and accept you're never going to recoup what you put in.

Or hang on to the club until it finally dies a death and get nothing.

As for the strike being counterproductive -- why should the players think FA Cup money would go to their wages?

The Port Vale gate receipts didn't. The EFL payment didn't. The £180,000 loan taken out by the club didn't.

My view -- the club has taken out a lot of debt and very little of it (as far as I can tell) seems to have been used to pay off other creditors or finance the wage bill. It must have gone somewhere.

Bear in mind AA's history in business -- anyone familiar with the demise of his former company Allied TC ought to know what is going on at MTFC should ring alarm bells.
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Roque_Del_Alessandro Posted on 06/11/2019 10:22
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Strike for the Cheshire Senior Cup tonight by all means,
but NOT for the FA Cup.
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macchiavelli Posted on 06/11/2019 10:26
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I think oilboil is quite right.

I know this isn't much of an incentive, but it is plainly farcical that anyone thinking of putting money into a struggling NL/L2 club would be as deluded as to regard it as an 'investment', with even the remotest chance of recouping any cash they have put in. It really isn't a 'business' in that sense.

Basically, they need to have more money than sense, be prepared to set fire to an Everest of £20 notes, and realize that their only reward is likely to be seeing their team do well, the fans' gratitude, and the perpetuation of 'grass roots' football.

RDA, surely a strike, if it were to happen, should be a matter of principle, rather than which competition we happen to be playing in?
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silkmen08 Posted on 06/11/2019 10:30
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I'm all for the players striking on Sunday, Its the only way to get a message across - Amar would lose 36 grand plus TV money and he would still have to pay the players...
Negative publicity I no but hey.. Amar needs to SELL and SELL now... [^]
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bigcheese Posted on 06/11/2019 11:00
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I am hoping that Amar will sell up to Sealey, reading on twitter the offer made to bury indicates he has enough money to put in. I have a feeling however that should that happen Amar will want to wait until we exit the FA cup in case we have a good run or get a premier league team away in which he could pocket a large amount of cash before he does sell up.
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leedsblue Posted on 06/11/2019 11:26
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From Companies House.

About AMAR NOURI ALKADHI
Amar Nouri Alkadhi holds 2 appointments at 2 active companies, has resigned from 3 companies and held 4 appointments at 4 dissolved companies. Their longest current appointment spans 16 years, 7 months and 27 days at RAMY LIMITED

The combined cash at bank value for all businesses where AMAR holds a current appointment equals £5.6k, a combined total current assets value of £50.9k with a total current liabilities of £4.5m and a total current net worth of £-3.6m. Roles associated with Amar Nouri Alkadhi within the recorded businesses include: Director
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oilboil Posted on 06/11/2019 11:57
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leedsblue - whilst all that is factually correct it only states the value of AA's businesses (of which the majority of that deficit is monies loaned to MTFC in one way shape or form).

It doesn't show private cash or income generated, or indeed any businesses he may hold outside the UK - so whilst it doesn't make good reading it is only one piece of the jigsaw. Just like Sealey, he could privately be very wealthy still
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leedsblue Posted on 06/11/2019 12:07
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Yes that's possible.
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oilboil Posted on 06/11/2019 12:38
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I do however hope that he is low on the readies, as if he's actually rolling around in pound notes that means he has made a concious decision to not pay the players and staff despite being able to.

Not having the money and therefore not paying the staff is one thing (although still wrong), but having the money and still not paying them is just abhorrent
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macchiavelli Posted on 06/11/2019 12:56
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I can dimly remember pound notes oilboil. Green, weren't they? [:D]

I think that fans, players, employees, and anyone that genuinely has the interests of MTFC at heart, are totally sick and tired of the club being used as a pawn in some long term investment strategy by an impoverished businessman.

I don't know how it can happen, but we HAVE to get away from this.
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Roque_Del_Alessandro Posted on 06/11/2019 15:08
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Isnt a televised game an opportunity to get a
"Amar, Pay the Players, or GO!" or similar banner
displayed to a wider audience on TV
and thereby also support the players?
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macchiavelli Posted on 06/11/2019 16:20
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I think our game on Sunday is on a 'single camera' basis, so I don't think there would be much scope for crowd coverage or banners, etc.
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maccman Posted on 06/11/2019 16:43
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BBC now reporting the possible strike. Worryingly,they say it would lead to a ban from next seasonís competition as well plus a probable fine !
Must make this game the worst possible one to target ?
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metz1984 Posted on 06/11/2019 17:22
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Dont care our owner needs to learn the hard way...
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boomer22 Posted on 06/11/2019 18:04
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No it's not a good place to start as it's a home game which generates cash and we wouldn't want to get kicked out next year would we? Would keep the bid alive as well.
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GrimReaper Posted on 06/11/2019 19:05
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Wouldn't want to get kicked out of this year, if we had a choice. Definately would not want a fine. That would be another reason not to pay the players wages. Need to seriously rethink about not playing this weekend and the possible negative consequences on the club.
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Silkmanfwd Posted on 06/11/2019 19:09
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Agreed GrimReaper.[^]
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Dobby Posted on 07/11/2019 07:50
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Thus far Iíve been reluctant contribute to this thread as the whole thing just makes me depressed, particularly some of the more militant anti fans on here.
It strikes me that for the players to miss the cup tie would be a huge act of self harm, we would miss out on the extra revenue and be out of the competition and therefore future potentially bigger revenue making their own payment unlikely. I gather the club would likely be barred from next years competition as well!
After the Kingstonian tie I would broadly support a strike by the players, we cannot continue like this and matters need to be brought to a head soon rather than just sliding into oblivion.
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lymeview Posted on 07/11/2019 08:39
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I would agree with that view Dobby.
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SteveBurr Posted on 07/11/2019 09:09
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There is a section on the BBC Sports page today about this. I really hope we play this game at the weekend and we all support the players and staff on Sunday. It is our chance to voice our disapproval at how the club i love so much is being run especially to a national audience watching online. A win will generate £36000 which is a massive amount of money however will most of this (if we win) be swallowed up elsewhere.Striking for this game will unfortunately in my opinion will be the beginning of the end as we would be expelled from next seasons FA Cup if we are still a club then. What else do the players do this situation has been ongoing from last season and with xmas coming very soon i do feel for them so much.
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LancsMacc Posted on 07/11/2019 09:09
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I agree too Dobby, I wouldn't blame the players if they strike, but hopefully if/when it does happen it'll be after Sundayís game. I've a feeling our calculating owner will pay their wages soon anyway, and the game will go ahead, he has a lot to lose if he doesn't.
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Jesus Posted on 07/11/2019 09:13
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While I think the ramifications for striking this weekend would be a lot bigger than perhaps the players realise... it's this game that will gain the most attention, have the biggest effect and hurt Amar the most.

I completely support this strike (if true) but I just really wish it wasn't this weekend.

Wow. What a sad sorry state of affairs we find ourselves in [|)][DFS]
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Madkev Posted on 07/11/2019 09:44
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Just one other point to consider, any players that do strike leave them open to being dismissed on the basis that i don't think they have followed the law in taking strike action.

From what I can gather, to strike you need to have held a ballot, organised via your union (the PFA) and given notice. It's unclear if they've done the former and they certainly haven't done the latter, hence the uncertainty around whether the game will go ahead on Sunday.

If some of the players are looking to be dismissed so they can find other clubs, well that's their prerogative, but it gives this whole thing a rather different complexion and seems like a somewhat nuclear option causing major damage to both the club and their own reputation.
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Waloc Posted on 07/11/2019 11:10
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Just been broadcast on Radio 5 that MEN is reporting that players (and some staff) have gone on strike,
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Silkmanfwd Posted on 07/11/2019 11:24
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Surely Madkev if the players have not been paid then the club is in breech of contract so I wouldn't think any action taken by the players would be classed as illegal.
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Waloc Posted on 07/11/2019 11:41
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Now being covered by a live BBC reporter.

Groundsman cannot get to ground to prepare pitch because he cannot afford petrol for his car.

Acc to BBC strike stated yesterday
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lythamandblues Posted on 07/11/2019 11:45
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If a strike is confirmed, I wonder if we could end up with the Youth team players fulfilling the Cup tie this weekend?

TythyBlue noted on the 'Tyler James' thread that rather than being an official youth team for a specific club, they are a team that play in the community; but they did represent the club this week in the Cheshire Senior Cup, and played as Macclesfield Town in the FA Youth Cup.

This would get the "owner" off the hook as far as not fulfilling the fixture, whilst - from comments already posted - giving him an opportunity to offload what we all perceive to be people who are standing up for their rights / livelihoods, but which he presumably sees as 'a couple of bad eggs'. [DFS]
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macchiavelli Posted on 07/11/2019 12:20
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Maybe that should be ramyfications, Jesus?

The statement on BBC Sport seems fairly unequivocal.....

'Macclesfield players have gone on strike over unpaid wages, putting the club's place in the FA Cup both this season and in 2020-21 at risk. Players did not train on Wednesday and will refuse to turn out against Kingstonian in round one on Sunday unless they receive October's wages.'

Still time for an '11th hour' payment to avert the problem, of course.

FWIW I would completely support the actions of the staff and players. To say they have been shabbily treated would be a massive understatement.

I think we are way beyond the point of 'enough is enough' now, after no less than 10 late payments.
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imlosingit Posted on 07/11/2019 13:11
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Well done to the players about time this was done....
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leedsblue Posted on 07/11/2019 13:21
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Whatever your view, if the players strike this weekend it will start the end of MTFC.
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Madkev Posted on 07/11/2019 13:32
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Doesn't matter if the club are in breach of players'contracts, calling an illegal strike doesn't solve the problem and weakens their own position.

Hopefully the PFA are supporting and advising them, but if they strike and the tie is awarded to Kingstonian, i can't see many of them playing for the club again, regardless of whether they subsequently get paid.
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macchiavelli Posted on 07/11/2019 13:41
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Not sure why they would want to play for the club again, given that they never get paid on time.

Contracts are a 2-way street. The players agree to play, and the club (owner) agrees to pay. On time, not when he thinks he can afford it.
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Madkev Posted on 07/11/2019 14:04
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My understanding was that once the club stopped paying the players, contractually they are free to find other clubs anyway. This is how Wilson and Evans walked away on frees in the summer and signed for new clubs within hours - the club couldn't hold them to their contracts as they weren't being paid.


Presumably the reason for striking is to try and force AA's hand to pay them and because they do want to remain, not because they want to be released from their playing contract.

Finally I could suggest a few first teamers who are unlikely to find another EFL club in the middle of the season so depends how much value they place on being a football league player and playing in the FA Cup...
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Littleboroughblue Posted on 07/11/2019 17:03
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Wouldnít be surprised if the snake is at the ground with all the sprinklers and hosepipes on full hoping for a postponement to delay the inevitable. Our club has been made a laughing stock by our so called owner
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metz1984 Posted on 07/11/2019 17:09
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He cant face anyone he wants to remain at the club so he can carry on penny pinching,because he cant afford to leave the club,so therefore he must be starved of cash so Mr Amar why dont you just do the simple thing and sell up...
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People saying that the potential income from this tie is reason not to strike. Iíd say that is exactly the reason to threaten it. It forces Amarís hand because he will be acutely aware of that potential income too.
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Speaking to BBC Radio Manchester, local businessman Sealey continued: "We think we can sustain the club, help build it and grow it. Macclesfield is a local club. It's never, in my opinion, going to be Premier League.

"I've been in contact with the chairman and owner and the manager of the football club. I live locally so most of the people involved with the club we've spoken to, including the lawyers."
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Jesus Posted on 08/11/2019 09:11
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Sounds like a very level-headed guy with his ear to the ground and a full understanding on our club and our ambitions.

To have a self-sustaining club that sits comfortably mid table in league two, occasionally putting together a cup run or a play off surge... well, that would be an absolute dream after the past 2 seasons [^][fb][:D]
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