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Fola Posted on 08/10/2018 10:23
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Here we are again...

Predictions?
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TheMadFerret Posted on 08/10/2018 10:24
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Darren Ferguson[LOVE]
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HerbertSomersal Posted on 08/10/2018 10:31
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The saviour that is Brian Horton
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macchiavelli Posted on 08/10/2018 10:41
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We will have to pay off MY, but our owner is probably hoping that DW/NH come up with a couple of decent results while they are 'caretaking', so he can punt one or both of them upstairs with minimum expense.
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maccman Posted on 08/10/2018 10:41
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Please not Horton !! I'd like to see a youngish up and coming appointment. We need to think beyond this season because the task of keeping us up may already be too difficult. We can't do much to change the players until January and you can't see the owner giving the new manager much cash to use even then.
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silktown Posted on 08/10/2018 10:46
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Steve Watson ? [;)]
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TogetherAsOne Posted on 08/10/2018 10:46
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I would like to think that there was something results based in MY contract so that we aren't stumping up a load of cash to pay him off.

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TogetherAsOne Posted on 08/10/2018 10:48
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Ian Brightwell
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TheMadFerret Posted on 08/10/2018 10:52
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Lee Clark?
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crazyface Posted on 08/10/2018 10:58
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Big Sam. Always THE man for a crisis!!!
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Fola Posted on 08/10/2018 10:59
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My dream would be a Matthew Tipton as the number 1 and Whitaker as the number 2.

Tippy has been manager for a few years now in Northern Ireland and was interviewed for the job before Yates got it.
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silkmen08 Posted on 08/10/2018 11:05
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Need someone that's strong and will stand up to MB
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Fola Posted on 08/10/2018 11:11
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Kevin Nolan?
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JH23 Posted on 08/10/2018 11:12
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Sir John Askey [LOVE]
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TheMadFerret Posted on 08/10/2018 11:33
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Michael Brown[^]
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Ron_Ipstone Posted on 08/10/2018 11:37
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Eddie Mclaughlin [^]
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WillMill Posted on 08/10/2018 11:41
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Since Keith Alexander died our choice of manager has been awful. John only got the job because he was a cheap option after King had overspent. Of the old favourites suggested only Steve Watson would get on my shortlist.
Perhaps we will have learned that choosing someone that would be friendly with the bosses is the last thing needed.
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Fola Posted on 08/10/2018 11:47
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Sky bet odds:

Danny Whitaker or Neil Howarth - 2/1
Gary Johnson - 6/1
Michael Brown - 8/1
Russell Slade - 11/1
Brian Horton - 16/1
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saltpie Posted on 08/10/2018 11:57
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Taking Danny and Neil out of the equation none of the favourites inspire me.
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Ron_Ipstone Posted on 08/10/2018 12:16
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Fancy any of these Saltpie? A list of the runners in this hotly contested race as per BetVictor:

Jay Saunders2/1
Danny Whitaker4/1
Neil Howarth8/1
Russell Slade12/1
Chris Kinnear12/1
Michael Brown12/1
Gary Bowyer14/1
Kevin Nolan14/1
Darren Ferguson16/1
Richie Wellens16/1
Paul Ince16/1
Kevin Wilkin16/1
Richard Money16/1
Nick Daws16/1
Brian Horton16/1
Steve Davis16/1
Lee Clark20/1
Sol Campbell20/1
Owen Coyle20/1
Steven Pressley25/1
Gary Caldwell25/1
Alan Stubbs25/1
Billy Davies25/1
Paul Lambert25/1
Steve Cotterill25/1
Dougie Freedman25/1
Ian Holloway25/1
Mark Warburton25/1
Mick McCarthy25/1
Simon Grayson25/1
Paul Heckingbottom25/1
Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink25/1
Brian McDermott25/1
Dean Saunders25/1
Luke Gerrard25/1
Lee Carsley25/1
Dave Jones25/1
Craig Bellamy25/1
Jack Lester25/1
Michael Collins25/1
Sam Ricketts25/1
Dean Austin25/1
Russell Wilcox 25/1
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spoons Posted on 08/10/2018 12:19
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Let us hope they don't go back for Jay Saunders!
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saltpie Posted on 08/10/2018 12:26
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Ron of the first 10 in that list I would go for Gary Bowyer He's had experience of managing with both hands tied behind his back before and done OK.
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congychef Posted on 08/10/2018 12:38
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Amazed tippy not on the list !!!!
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Paddysboyz Posted on 08/10/2018 12:59
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Good shout Cheffie [^][:D].

Kind regards

PB [smi].
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Silkmen11 Posted on 08/10/2018 13:14
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The new manager has to have FOOTBALL LEAUGE experience as a No1.... Tippy /whit /Howarth no unfortunately.
Head needs to rule heart here.! Let’s hope for a good one this time. 🤓
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imlosingit Posted on 08/10/2018 13:20
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Gary Bowyer 4 me..
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The_Boss Posted on 08/10/2018 13:27
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The ones on that list that I'd take are far down it at 25/1+. No chance we could attract people like Mark Warburton, Simon Grayson etc.

Of the ones near the top, I'd rather we took a risk on Tippy.

Owen Coyle would be an interesting one. Steve Cotterill too, but doubt either would come.
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Ron_Ipstone Posted on 08/10/2018 13:28
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I am sorry, but IMHO all the gaffers mentioned above are clueless and tactically inept.
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TheMadFerret Posted on 08/10/2018 13:39
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Do you believe a new manager will be announced sharpish? Or do you think Whit will be given time to see what he can do first?
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boomer22 Posted on 08/10/2018 13:56
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Think it will be a long and tortuous process taking even more valuable time and games up. Interviewing and hiring aint quick, I've done it often enough to know.
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maccman Posted on 08/10/2018 14:06
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Give the job to Ron Ipstone. He seems to always have superior knowledge to everyone else on here.
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chelmo Posted on 08/10/2018 14:36
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I'm sure they'll give DW some time and see how the results go, keeping Danny on in the role would be the cheapest option for Blower.
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Fola Posted on 08/10/2018 15:13
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Updated odds:

Jay Saunders - 7/4
Michael Brown 8/1
Danny Whitaker or Neil Howarth - 10/1
Kevin Nolan - 14/1
Joaquin Gomez - 14/1
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macc1997 Posted on 08/10/2018 15:40
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please be Ince
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Silkmen11 Posted on 08/10/2018 15:48
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INCE for me me too
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TheMadFerret Posted on 08/10/2018 16:05
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Luton 1st Team coach Joaquin Gomez keeps getting a shout?!?!
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MaccsBygraves Posted on 08/10/2018 16:28
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Would much rather an ambitious young manager than the usual ‘rent-a-manager’ who once got Yeovil to 7th place etc.
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londonroadblues Posted on 08/10/2018 16:55
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Gary megson
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silkmen08 Posted on 08/10/2018 17:04
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londonroadblues.... LOL..

Andy Kilner [:D]
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pauljames Posted on 08/10/2018 17:04
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There is no place for sentiment here. A decision has to be made whether we need Danny Whitaker most on the pitch or in the dugout, ignoring the fact he's currently injured. We all know what a massive influence he has on the field, but he's a completely unknown quantity as "manager". We should not be setting him up to fail. Our football league status is slipping away and some sensible, rational decisions need to be made-quickly.
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fursie Posted on 08/10/2018 18:45
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My choice would be Steve Watson. Knows last season's players and would hopefully get a quick response.
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Littleboroughblue Posted on 08/10/2018 18:56
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I hope we don’t fall into the same trap again. Jay Saunders has no league experience I just don’t think it will be right for us but now we will be paying offf MY we will not be paying a manager with the required experience
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saltpie Posted on 08/10/2018 19:34
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Whoever gets the job , let's hope the lesson has been learnt about giving out lengthy contracts.
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JH23 Posted on 08/10/2018 20:05
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Nolan would be an interesting one, would probably want too much money. Watson wouldn’t be a bad shout and hasgood contacts to get players in.
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bollingtonblue Posted on 08/10/2018 21:13
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I'd be happy with Watson but please not Ince. That would be a big expensive mistake.
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Paddysboyz Posted on 09/10/2018 00:32
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I genuinely don't think that Watson would be in with a shout with the current hierachy at the club [:O].

Kindest regards

PB [smi].
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bollingtonblue Posted on 09/10/2018 02:15
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Am presently in Peru where they are very keen on football. Should I start looking for a new manager here? Paddington Bear could possibly help.
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fossey Posted on 09/10/2018 08:34
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I just want a manager with a backgruond of defence with danny.I certainly dont want nolan because as we know notts county were even worse than us when he got sacked
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Fola Posted on 09/10/2018 08:45
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I'd be happy with Nolan. Young manager with contacts and did well at Notts before this season.
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jimjam37 Posted on 09/10/2018 09:15
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Michael Brown all day long, forget the port vale shambles i know what he was working with and the politics behind the scenes. he is on the door step and he will be extremely cheap and is the perfect fit.
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Fola Posted on 09/10/2018 09:35
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https://www.kentonline.co.uk/maidstone/sport/saunders-for-macc-again-191140/
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Fola Posted on 09/10/2018 09:37
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A few snippets picked up from Brown's only managerial job at Port Vale:

"Having scored just one goal in their final seven games, Vale were relegated at the end of the campaign after finishing one point short of safety"

"Vale suffered their worst start to a season in 50 years at the beginning of the 2017–18 season, going a club record six games without scoring a goal as they sat bottom of the table in September following six consecutive league defeats."
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Nigel_Shaws_Right_Boot Posted on 09/10/2018 09:42
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from that list I'd take Ian Holloway all day long
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Fola Posted on 09/10/2018 09:42
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Bet Victor Odds:

Jay Saunders - 1/1
Michael Brown - 6/1
Danny Whitaker - 10/1
Steve Davis - 16/1
Gary Bowyer - 20/1
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jimjam37 Posted on 09/10/2018 10:21
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it is easy to break things down this way and say he is crap. but the facts are and i was part of his backroom staff at vale and quite simply he inherited 80% of the squad where players had played abroad in equivalent leagues to National North, along with players who had once been at the top but were very much at the end of the days. Bruno was to blame for the mess and not even pep could have done anything as we all know you cant polish a turd or in this case several turds.
Michael was the most organised, well prepped and amazing man manager i have seen and i have worked with many managers. we have to look at the facts moving forward we have no money we have to pay MY probably 1 year of his 3 years, along with his back room staff. we will need someone with massive connections and i know Michael can phone the very top managers and get players in from the likes of Man city, Leeds , Cardiff, and many championship teams.
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Fola Posted on 09/10/2018 10:23
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Fair enough! He must be up there as he's high up with all the bookies [^]
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gettoit Posted on 09/10/2018 12:44
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Jay Saunders presumably up there again because he was first choice last time and is now unemployed?
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jimjam37 Posted on 09/10/2018 13:06
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Good shout but i just feel what we need now is someone who has worked the football league, and more importantly can call top clubs top managers as its pretty simple to see these current lads are not good enough with the exception of 4-5

I still think Michael Brown
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pjs1980 Posted on 09/10/2018 13:25
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Paul Ince for me. Knows the club and has saved us from a pretty much identical position before.
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bollingtonblue Posted on 09/10/2018 14:03
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Ince is a proven poor manager and a bit of a prima dona. He would be a very bad choice and only saved us last time with a huge budget made available to him to sign players.
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gettoit Posted on 09/10/2018 14:09
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Ince's last good season was the one after he kept us up. Hasn't done much since.
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leedsblue Posted on 09/10/2018 14:59
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Players went on a good run under Ince in the lead up to the Chelsea game which no doubt is what was motivating them. Went a bit downhill after that I recall.
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lymeview Posted on 09/10/2018 15:16
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I don't remember Ince signing that many players, apart from Murphy.
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bollingtonblue Posted on 09/10/2018 15:29
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I think we had over 30 players on the books for the second half of the season under Ince. I think it was the most expensive season ever for MTFC. That was in the time that the Alkhadis were happy to bankroll the club to keep us in Div 2.
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macchiavelli Posted on 09/10/2018 15:33
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Was it under the tenure of Ince that we appointed a fitness coach? I seem to recall that having positively beneficial affects.
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WillMill Posted on 09/10/2018 16:35
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Is Craig Bellamy worth a shout?
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metz1984 Posted on 09/10/2018 16:44
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Let's not forget Ray Mathious was a back bone during when Ince was manager,he learnt Ince the trade and without him did nothing...
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Paddysboyz Posted on 09/10/2018 17:07
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Danny Whitaker and Nelly Howarth (or another expereinced assistant) MUST be given to at least Christmas to turn this nightmare around. Danny will have 100% fans backing which is crucial in this against all odds mentality for this season [^][:D].

Kindest regards

PB [smi].
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silktown Posted on 09/10/2018 17:16
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Ray Mathias is 71 and too long out of the game, my favourites would be Michael Brown or Steve Watson.
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fursie Posted on 09/10/2018 17:17
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PB I agree with thee on most things but not that. I think in order to make the big change required someone from outside with a fresh perspective is needed.

Also given the transfer window and lack of budget it needs to be someone who is a excellent coach and motivator. Would like to see a great coach somewhere given their first opertunity in management.
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crazyface Posted on 10/10/2018 08:21
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We need a man who knows this league inside out and knows how to turn a failing club around. none of the current front runners fit this so need to be discounted and wait (but not too long) for the right man to send his CV in. [:D]

PB. Heart ruling head. DW does not need to be dumped into his first job in management in this situation. Remember how this affected SJA?
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macchiavelli Posted on 10/10/2018 09:05
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As a lifelong Macc fan it seems to me that we presently have a 'deckchairs on the Titanic' situation.

Although all our close season signings got a thick coat of positive spin (of course), we have proved time and again this year that we are not up to the challenge of L2 football, and I think that is a problem much deeper than changing formation or personnel, or even manager, can solve within the existing squad. I genuinely think we are snookered unless and until we can improve our overall player quality.

No question in my mind that Danny W is Macclesfield through and through, and I just hope that his loyalty doesn't suck him into what I see at the moment as an impossible task without a major investment in playing resources.
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saltpie Posted on 10/10/2018 09:43
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I can see your point Macchiavelli, results and points wise we are out of our depth, however were we any worse than Mansfield Cheltenham Notts County or Forest Green?
A bad mistake and debatable refereeing decision were costly in the last two games.
We have to stick together now and give Danny and Neil a chance and support them.
I'm not saying everything in the garden is rosy and hopefully we will still be in touch by the time the injuries have cleared and we can push on to safety.
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crazyface Posted on 10/10/2018 10:01
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We need an experienced man NOW. Contracted until the end of the season, with a 2 year extension granted upon delivering survival.
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imlosingit Posted on 10/10/2018 10:15
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i agree with Macchiavelli post,most of the current players we have just arnt leauge standard,so it would take a special manager similair to JA to turn things around,looking back at the 98-99 season this time of the season we had won about 3 games,so the way things are looking it will more or less take somebody with that special touch to turn things around,not saying its impossible though but lets not kid ourselves its not looking good...But we can only hope Danny and neil can turn it around who knows..
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Fola Posted on 10/10/2018 11:26
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Updated odds:

Jay Saunders - 11/8
Micheal Brown - 4/1
Danny Whitaker - 10/1
Steve Davis - 16/1
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crazyface Posted on 10/10/2018 11:55
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Saunders in not the man.
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bollingtonblue Posted on 10/10/2018 12:41
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We need a manager with League experience and good contacts in the North of England and Midlands. Saunders does not fit this profile. If Whittaker gets an instant uplift in results then I would be tempted to try him for at least a month.
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4evermacc Posted on 10/10/2018 13:41
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How about Nicky Cowley ?

Must be ready to step out from brother Danny's shadow now, and would surely welcome the opportunity.

Has great knowledge of the lower leagues is young and hungry for success.
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4evermacc Posted on 10/10/2018 13:43
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alternatively I am v surprised to note the absence of Paul Scholes on the list.
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TheMadFerret Posted on 10/10/2018 14:15
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You know what I would take a punt on Nicky Cowley.
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Fola Posted on 10/10/2018 14:35
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I would too but no chance he’ll come here
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Smoky2 Posted on 10/10/2018 14:36
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As mentioned higher up I am going for Micheal Brown.
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Silkmen11 Posted on 10/10/2018 14:44
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It will be some one XXXXXXe
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Silkmen11 Posted on 10/10/2018 14:52
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Some one who works with nothing and who doesn’t want a lot of money because the OWNER won’t pay it. I’d love a big name or some one up and coming or an experienced head. The appointment could get afew more fans threw the door it’s important. But I don’t have any trust in the club
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TheMadFerret Posted on 10/10/2018 14:58
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I would really like Nick Bianchi to come in and take over the chairman role and Askey would of been ideal with him but as it stands he could be a good appoinment.
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jimjam37 Posted on 10/10/2018 15:03
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great shout everything about Nick is class and then Michael brown in as Manager would be for me spot on.
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Silkmen11 Posted on 10/10/2018 15:14
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Are you mad that ship has sailed your abit behind the times [:I][B)]
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silkmen08 Posted on 10/10/2018 15:46
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Nick is a class guy and hes one of the reasons MTFC got promoted last season - it is a shame that Nick isn't on board because i believe that he could of taken our club far.

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metz1984 Posted on 10/10/2018 15:54
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I agree with that about Nick silkmen 08.it would be a great new start for us.but obviously wishfull thinking. For the time being anyway.
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jefft Posted on 10/10/2018 16:02
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José M might be looking for marginally less stress.....
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fossey Posted on 10/10/2018 16:28
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not on the betting list this ia a long shot how about John Terry whose agent is my ex post Elite Management
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hoof_ball Posted on 10/10/2018 21:09
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The only thing JT would bring is a decent connection for Chelsea loanees... if any are left after Derby!

Wouldn't mind Darren Ferguson, local and good contacts. Only downside being he got doncaster relegated [DFS] but he does know league 2 as got them straight back up.[fb]
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boomer22 Posted on 10/10/2018 22:05
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DF would be a good choice. I would interview now alongside the ongoing games and assess how things are going then appoint if needed rather than wait for signs either way then start the process.
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imlosingit Posted on 10/10/2018 22:43
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i wouldnt bother..
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bollingtonblue Posted on 10/10/2018 23:15
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Jose Mourinho has no League 2 experience and his English is pretty poor. We can do better than him.
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Paddysboyz Posted on 11/10/2018 01:14
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Paul Bona is no mug who does not suffer fools gladly, and he was behind the scenes at MTFC during some very turbulent times.
Paul is an ardent supporter of Danny as am I [^][^].

Much like Paul, I would much rather see a Silkmen legend fight our battle against relegation than someone with no previous affiliation to my beloved blues [8D].

I am Silkmen til I die [:D].

Kindest regards

PB [smi].
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Silkmen11 Posted on 11/10/2018 07:38
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Sorry pb it’s not fair on Danny he’s still a player with no experience of managing , and is still playing very well for his age . It’s just an easy option again, yet again.. money saving, problem passing, no ambition. It needs someone who is used to being in this problem or with a lot of manigerial experience. Keep Danny in the staff..!!!
I don’t see why people always want an ex macc palyer to be manager.. Askey was a freak experience of promotion, a one off , a mirical. [DFS]
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macchiavelli Posted on 11/10/2018 08:15
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Understandable, particularly among the long-term and committed fanbase, that heart can rule head in this kind of situation.

There has been some debate about the usage of the term 'Silkmen legend' recently, but IMHO Danny W genuinely falls into this category, and I think it's natural that fans see him (or someone like him) as our potential saviour in the current crisis, as opposed to what they view as 'journeyman' appointments made by those in power with more of an eye on what it will cost, than what it may achieve.
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Fola Posted on 11/10/2018 08:41
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Still think it's a little too early for Whitaker and he's still our best player!

Kevin Nolan for me. Local and will have contacts all over the country and a big name is draw the fans in.
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saltpie Posted on 11/10/2018 09:34
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I don't often agree with Silkmen 11 but do on this occassion.
John had many years of experience in various managerial posts at the club before he got success.
One thing I disagree with Silkmen 11 it wasn't a mirical but a miracle(it won't let me do a smiley thing).

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macchiavelli Posted on 11/10/2018 09:36
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Have one on me! 🙂
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TheMadFerret Posted on 11/10/2018 10:22
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To be fair we should of acted quicker and got Keith Curle in!
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Silkmen11 Posted on 11/10/2018 10:39
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Saltpie pal I ment , Miracle as I a player coach manager for one club doing the unbelievable.👍
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jimjam37 Posted on 11/10/2018 12:09
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i have been told by a very good contact Michael Brown is now leading contender and will be offered the role as soon as Saturday
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MenorahTableofShowbread Posted on 11/10/2018 12:14
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Useful clarification by silkman11 above [;)]
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Fola Posted on 11/10/2018 12:25
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We will see JimJam.
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The_Boss Posted on 11/10/2018 12:54
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I really hope it's not.
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Silkmen11 Posted on 11/10/2018 12:57
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Me too, he’s not done nothing at all vale fans aren’t best pleased with his tactics when he was in charge. Hope it isn’t
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crazyface Posted on 11/10/2018 13:01
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Ditto that !
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Fola Posted on 11/10/2018 13:03
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I wouldn't mind him to be honest. Footballer who played in either the Premier League or Championship his whole career. Will have good contacts and knows how to win. He's local too and will have a point to prove after Vale. Sounds like he's used to crazy owners.
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Fola Posted on 11/10/2018 13:04
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He won't ask for a huge wage either.
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TheMadFerret Posted on 11/10/2018 13:10
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Completely agree Fola. Doesn't have to be a long term view. I imagine he will come in with sleeves rolled up and want to crack on and stamp his mark back on EFL2 football as you said, POINT TO PROVE.
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jimjam37 Posted on 11/10/2018 13:10
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But as i said in a earlier message i worked with MB as part of his backroom staff and he inherited 90% of players who had played at national league level and below, and the big names were near the end of playing. as the saying goes you cant polish a turd.
One thing i can say is he is the best ive seen with man management, and has amazing contacts and we are skint lets be honest so we cant go and sign its going to be quality loan signings and i know 100% big teams big managers will loan him players. he will be very cheap and lives 5 mins from the ground.
Please trust me pep wouldnt have turned things round at vale
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Fola Posted on 11/10/2018 13:14
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The predicament he had at vale sounds the same as here though. Players who aren’t good enough.
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jimjam37 Posted on 11/10/2018 13:16
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Absolutely bang on Fola the owner at vale is a XXXXXX just like ours. MB is solid , a no nonsense manager who demands 100% every single day.

He would bring in a excellent backroom again all massively experienced and all would be cheap as financially they are ok.
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jimjam37 Posted on 11/10/2018 13:18
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No FOLA as the difference here is he will have enough time to look at things then work the magic in january and at vale he didnt get that chance.

here he will be able to look at, then lliaise with his contacts he has such as man city, leeds, cardiff, sheff utd , portsmouth and many many more.
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imlosingit Posted on 11/10/2018 13:21
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It doesn't matter who takes the job nothing will change with the current club set up..don't want brown either..
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jimjam37 Posted on 11/10/2018 13:22
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TRUST ME if we appoint the Maidstone lad we will be down by christmas. we cant be nice Macclesfield and give a lad a chance as we wont get a 3rd chance t repair and stay up.
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Silkmen11 Posted on 11/10/2018 13:39
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Jimjam37, get ya jimjams on it’s time for an early night..!![;)]

The guy doesn’t have much to off in managerial terms that’s a fact.
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crazyface Posted on 11/10/2018 14:27
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Well jimmy jams, you've convinced me. [sad]

It's gonna require a lot more than hard work to sort this mess out. Does this fella have a magic wand? Coz he's gonna need one.
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jimjam37 Posted on 11/10/2018 15:03
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HAHA in my pjs and ready for a story haha
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imlosingit Posted on 11/10/2018 20:50
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Brian Laws...
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Fola Posted on 12/10/2018 08:39
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New odds:

Danny Whitaker - 6/4
Jay Saunders - 3/1
Michael Brown - 6/1
Richie Wellens - 12/1

Looks like somebody knows something about Whit. Very risky move in my opinion. Wouldn't be my choice.
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macchiavelli Posted on 12/10/2018 08:45
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Not rocket science, Fola.

It's our owner who knows something about Whit. i.e. He is dedicated to the club, the appointment will make some fans happy, and it will cost him a lot less than the others on the list.

I have the greatest respect for DW, and I really hope his loyalty isn't taken advantage of in the current crisis to simply take the cheap option.

He, we, and the club, deserve better.
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Fola Posted on 12/10/2018 08:47
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True. Cheap option again. We can't have our best player also being our manager- surely won't work. [sad]
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jimjam37 Posted on 12/10/2018 09:01
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In my opinion tonight is key, if we get stuffed they go for MB if we play well and draw or win i think they take the easy option of whittaker, which is a massive risk and the wrong choice. we will not get a 3rd chance to repair.
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macchiavelli Posted on 12/10/2018 10:34
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I think whoever takes up the hot seat at present is largely being asked to 'make bricks without straw', in terms of the overall quality of the current squad.

If I were a prospective new manager of MTFC, I would be wanting some cast iron assurances from the owner that resources were in place to strengthen considerably what I had to work with.
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fursie Posted on 12/10/2018 11:36
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I think we are all making a major assumption. That DW wants to be a manager. He may not want to go down this route and as far as I am aware hasn't been involved it coaching until this stage.

DW may be just doing the club a service by holding the reins until someone is appointed.

Danny is one of my favourite ever Macc players and I would love for him to be a great Manager like Sir John was. But I think we need to remember that it didn't work out for JA first time around and he had way more coaching experience that DW by that stage having been reserve, youth team and assistant manager.

We need an external candidate who is a good coach and motivator. Most of all someone who can get the best out of limited players like JA did.
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Ron_Ipstone Posted on 12/10/2018 11:44
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I don't think so. Askey last game as a player was at the end of the 2002-03 season and the following season he was assistant to David Moss until the latter was sacked in October 2003 when Askey took over as manager.

I would say pretty much parallel with DW except that Neil Howarth is also an assistant and DW is still playing.
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Fola Posted on 12/10/2018 11:55
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When Askey first took over, he wasn't ready and was rightly removed. DW needs more coaching experience before becoming a manager.
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fursie Posted on 12/10/2018 12:35
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Didn't JA become a coach alongside Steve Wood quite a few years before this?
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maccman Posted on 12/10/2018 13:39
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Anyone coming in should demand the right to make 2 or 3 signings before January. You can still sign anyone not currently under contract elsewhere and ,I suspect there are ways round getting those who are under contract to move.You see players being released from their contract only to sign for someone else almost immediately.
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imlosingit Posted on 12/10/2018 23:26
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Brian Laws for me.not managing at the moment.but not a yes man& doesn't XXXXXX about either.and if your out your out..played under Clough so what do u expect..
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Fola Posted on 14/10/2018 18:36
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Updated odds:

4/5 - Danny Whitaker
3/1 - Jay Saunders
6/1 - Michael Brown
8/1 - Neil Howarth
16/1 - Darren Ferguson
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Fola Posted on 15/10/2018 08:41
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If the bookies are anything to go off then Whitaker will be getting the job. He's a brilliant player and the style of football was better the other night but this is too big of a risk in my opinion. If he wasn't our best player I'd say give him the job, just can't see a player/manager role working. Looks like we're taking the cheap route and we're already falling away from the pack. All that hard work it took to get promoted, I hope we don't just throw it away. Darren Ferguson would be the shout for me- break the bank for him and he would keep us up!
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Fola Posted on 16/10/2018 09:16
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Look who has come into the running at 12s.

5/4 - Danny Whitaker
3/1 - Jay Saunders
5/1 - Michael Brown
12/1 - John Askey
14/1 - Steve Davis
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macchiavelli Posted on 16/10/2018 09:31
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[:D] Out of the frying pan into the fire, and then back into the frying pan? I don't think so.
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imlosingit Posted on 16/10/2018 10:48
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Absolutely no Chance of JA coming back under this current set up regarding the powers that be I know that for a fact..
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congychef Posted on 16/10/2018 17:46
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You can have Neil aspin if you want !!! [:P]
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macchiavelli Posted on 17/10/2018 08:49
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Has the vacancy even been advertised yet?
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imlosingit Posted on 17/10/2018 08:49
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Send Aspin back to Salty..
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Fola Posted on 17/10/2018 12:13
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Looks as though all bookies are now certain that the job is Whitaker's with nobody else coming close.

If we lose against Carlisle, would you still give Whitaker the job?
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leedsblue Posted on 17/10/2018 12:29
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I don't think the future of MTFC should rest with DW, but one thing in his favour is that the players want to play for him (at least that's what they've said publicly).
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lymeview Posted on 17/10/2018 17:41
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It would be very difficult for Whit to take on the manager's role while still playing.
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zelem Posted on 17/10/2018 20:18
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John Askey!!! And this time pay him his bonus when he keeps us up !!

Please not Michael Brown!!
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Fola Posted on 18/10/2018 08:58
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Danny Whitaker to be announced after Saturday's match no matter the result.
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macchiavelli Posted on 18/10/2018 10:00
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If we lose on Saturday, (and I desperately hope that we don't), we would be appointing DW on the basis of 'played 2, lost 2'.

If that happens, is it logical, or done simply on the basis that Danny is hugely popular with the fans, and would be a cheaper option than pulling in an outsider?

Of course, a win on Saturday could radically change the perspective.
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Ron_Ipstone Posted on 18/10/2018 10:21
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And the latest odds are:

Danny Whitaker1/2
Jay Saunders4/1
Michael Brown6/1
Neil Howarth12/1
Darren Ferguson16/1
Richie Wellens20/1
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Waloc Posted on 18/10/2018 11:02
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I have never met Danny W.

I have always admired his work on the pitch.

Not sure if he is yet ready to manage.

Appointing him to manage a sinking ship would be unfair and could blight his whole potential managerial career.

I really think we should look elsewhere for now for someone experience to mentor him
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macchiavelli Posted on 18/10/2018 11:19
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But that would cost money, Waloc.
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saltpie Posted on 18/10/2018 11:20
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I have no problem with Danny getting the job but wonder if this means his appearances will be more restricted.
Possibly someone can put me right but I cannot think of another player manager in the football league at present.
If as speculated Danny is given the job I think that someone with management experience should be alongside him.
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macchiavelli Posted on 18/10/2018 11:49
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Seems to me that we will unsurprisingly take the cheap option, i.e. appoint Danny and hope for the best.
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crazyface Posted on 18/10/2018 12:35
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Agreed
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Fola Posted on 18/10/2018 14:08
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Darren Ferguson out of nowhere to 3/1. Second favourite behind Whitaker.
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Smoky2 Posted on 18/10/2018 14:33
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That would be a great appointment
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Fola Posted on 18/10/2018 14:40
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Darren Ferguson with Whit as his assistant would be my dream. Would be a pull for players, he has contacts within the game, he lives local because he wants to be near his dad, we will get more fans come to watch us- with him being Fergie's son, I am sure this will get a few United fans over.

No brainer for me, if he wants it, we should do all we can to make sure he gets it. Would be a great manager for Whit to learn off too.
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Smoky2 Posted on 18/10/2018 14:45
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Exactly - if anyone could keep us up he could .
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maccman Posted on 18/10/2018 15:22
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Whoever comes in will need a guarantee of some financial backing in order to bring in some better players . That's if the aim is to avoid relegation. If DW gets the job , my expectation is that we're basically writing this season off and looking long term back in the Conference.That's not to say I wouldn't be supportive of that appointment but surely it's unrealistic to expect him to keep us up, especially as he won't be given the same funding as an Ince or Ferguson.
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Waloc Posted on 18/10/2018 16:49
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Ferguson plus Whit seems promising to me
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Fola Posted on 19/10/2018 08:57
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As much as I love Danny Whit, I think if we give him the job it is pretty much a sign from the powers that be that relegation has been accepted already. Club legend, keep the fans on side and down the leagues we go.
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macchiavelli Posted on 19/10/2018 09:27
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I am inclined to agree. Digging us out of the hole we have dug is going to require some serious investment now if we are to have any chance.
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pauljames Posted on 19/10/2018 09:43
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As I said in a previous post when this story was gathering pace, if this happens, we could be hanging DW out to dry. His influence on the pitch is unquestionable, however what he can bring from the dugout very much remains to be seen. One thing is crystal clear, when fit, he cannot be expected to fulfil both roles. This aside, a decision needs to be made pronto to at least give that "someone " a fighting chance of turning this around.
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onthemoss Posted on 19/10/2018 10:43
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The club has a proven record in turning unknown young players into successful players. With JA it has proved an unknown manager can be just as successful.

Likewise the club has proved almost unmanageable by other than a small number of special individuals.

Parachuting in another stranger will offer no more guarantee of success than promoting a special person with a special bond to the club, no matter how inexperienced the latter is.

In either case however, a successful fight against relegation will cost money. As usual this will be down to AA; and rightly so, because again, at least in part it seems, he has contributed to the mistakes made.
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Fola Posted on 22/10/2018 10:47
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Would be nice to get a statement from Blower on how this search is going?
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The_Boss Posted on 22/10/2018 13:24
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According to minutes of SST meeting with Blower, they're not even at the point of deciding if a new man is needed or to go with Danny & Neil
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That meeting was kept quiet wasn't it?
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1. What were the objectives agreed with Mark Yates as we started the season?

Mark - the objective was to finish 22nd in the league or above i.e. to stay in the League. At least to get through 1 round in the League and FA Cups. Finances were in place for these. As previously stated the club works £1 in and £1 out.

“In hindsight is cutting the cloth working”?

Mark – Adamant that the club should not get into the financial mess of previous years by overspending. The player budget was in place at the beginning of the season and this was based on what John Askey had requested. This still places us in the bottom few clubs financially in the league. Money earned from West Ham game had helped but when there is any excess money this is used to pay short term loans/debts.



2. Are there any plans to run a reserve team?

Financially it is not possible to have a reserve team. However we do have agood under 18’s team.



3. Who was behind the decision to have players’ food served after games away from the McIlroy suite? Do the players prefer to mix with the supporters?

Mark - This was the decision of the manager.

Bob - Having spoken with Danny he had explained that he personally had found it difficult to come across due to extra commitments.

Comment was made by Marie that she felt this was decision was detrimental to younger fans, as a number of them used to wait in the suite to get autographs etc. after the game from both teams. Also wasn’t this something to the club should be encouraging as they are the fans of the future. Marie also pointed out that money had been made available to have a designated area under the McIlroy for young fans to use and possibly meet players but this was still not up and running despite all the equipment being purchased nearly 2 months ago.

Mark explained that due to issues with personnel this had not been able to be completed and as Kevin Green has only been in post for 4 weeks it was anticipated that this would be done in the near future.



4. Which players were signed after John Askey left and before Mark Yates joined? Who made the decision to sign them and what was the reasoning for this?

Mark – Despite rumours there was only 1 player signed before Mark Yates took up post. That was Koby Arthur who had asked to stay from last year. Talks were in place with Mark Yates on any other player the club were looking at.



5. Has there been a consortium with a substantial offer put in a bid to buy the club? If so why was it rejected?

Mark – As far as he was aware there has been no approach to buy the club since 2014/15.



6. What are the owner’s intentions for the future of the club?

Mark - The owner has always stated his commitment to club. He would not consider selling the club to anyone who would not be good a custodian of the club, with a commitment to keeping the club as a viable going concern.



7. Last season was Amar a positive, neutral or negative contributor to Club Finances?

Mark - Amar only took money out to repay short term loans.



8. Has there been any commitment to inject Capital into the Football Club from the owner this year?

Mark – If the club needs it, either pushing for promotion or struggling against relegation Amar is willing to inject money into the club as open loans. He is not willing to let the club to “go under”.



9. Have all the players and John Askey been paid their bonuses for winning the league last season?

Mark – Yes, all contracts have/are being complied with.



10. What is the current financial state of the club and what is its current debt Position?

Mark - The club is in the best position financially since taking up the position of Chairman. The debt is the lowest it has ever been. But the challenge is always intra month working capital needs.



11. Did Mark and Amar want John Askey to stay?

Mark - Yes everything was done to try to keep John at the club. Everything John had requested had been agreed to try and keep him. But the club could not meet what he was offered by Shrewsbury, nor was it asked to.



12. What is the list of tasks that still need to be accomplished to meet League 2 requirements?

Mark - Firstly thanked the SST and Lotto for the money provided to ensure the insulation in the McIlroy suite was done and hopefully meant it would be warmer this winter.

The floodlights are one of the main things that need to be looked at, as this means that we cannot have any televised night games until they are upgraded. The improvement should be completed by April 2019 but the club has requested that this be extended to the end of the season due to issues with telephone masts etc. that need to be taken into consideration.



13 Does the Chairman feel responsible for the fact that a number of people/volunteers have left the club over the recent years?

Mark - People leave for various reasons for which he has no control over and is unable to go into specific reasons for most who have left.



14. What do the club expect from volunteers, who are also supporters. Do they

consider that volunteers should not question or comment on club activities etc.?

Mark - If people are employed by the club or on match days the club would expect a certain code of conduct. There is a code of contract being drawn up by the club.

Discussion took place around this issue by various members of the committee. It was pointed out that without such a document being made available then volunteers as opposed to paid staff could not be held to follow it. Once this is available then volunteers can made an informed decision if they wish to volunteer. It was pointed out that the club does depend on a large number of volunteers to run various events away from match days which generate income into the club.



15 Are you happy with the marketing of the club at the moment? Are the club happy with the number of diners at games? Has there been a full list of sponsors for the recent games?

Mark - The price increase could be one of the reasons that the number of diners has decreased. This is something that the club is looking at.

There has been a change in the post of Commercial Manager and he needs to be given some time to settle into the role.



16. Could the club be more transparent? There has always been, and continues to be, a dirge of rumours which are not complimentary to the Owner, the Chairman, the Manager and the club. These rumours are often exacerbated and, like "Chinese whispers", get the wrong message.

Mark – There will always be rumours on Social Media and he felt that whatever was said in response to them, it would either not be believed or be replaced by more rumours.

Bob – I have been answering e-mails from fans with regard to issues around the general running of the Club.



Mark was then asked if there was anything further he wanted to add?

Mark wanted to clear up the rumours about Elite Management. Mark stressed that he was not an investor in Elite Management. This Agency had been used in previous season as they were considered to be the best non-league agency. A number of the current squad (five) are represented by this agency but there is no way that the club are influenced by this agency to play certain players. This is purely the decision of the Manager and his team. Mark indicated that they have always proved to be a decent and honourable agency in all the involvement the club has had with them.

In some circumstances if a club plays a loan player then the cost is decreased, however that does not determine team selection.

He also stated that in no way had he been responsible for picking the team.

Mark expressed a wish that the fans get behind Neil and Danny in the interim period while the decision is made whether or not to look for a new manager.

Mark was thanked for answering the questions raised.
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metz1984 Posted on 22/10/2018 17:22
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That seems a good hint we won't be looking 4 a new manager then..
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Nigel_Shaws_Right_Boot Posted on 22/10/2018 22:12
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shouldn't the above be on a thread of its own?
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I think that the plan A of AA and MB was basically to do nothing and just hope that results improved, even marginally, with DW at the helm, thus giving them the credibility they needed to point to the improvement, and promote a man they know is massively popular with the fans, at minimum financial outlay.
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Fola Posted on 23/10/2018 11:22
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Yes by the sounds of it, they haven't even started looking for a new man.
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crazyface Posted on 23/10/2018 22:38
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Well they'd better get cracking. THumped 5-0 at home is disgraceful.
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maccman Posted on 23/10/2018 22:47
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I really can't see anyone making a difference with the current squad we've got. Desperately poor recruitment this summer , has-beens,untried kids ,and others released by sides from the bottom end of League 2.
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saltpie Posted on 23/10/2018 22:50
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I wonder who would want to come , any potential manager watching that wouldn't touch the club with the proverbial barge pole on tonights "performance" or lack of it.
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JH23 Posted on 23/10/2018 23:00
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A new manager won’t fix this, the players aren’t good enough.
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metz1984 Posted on 23/10/2018 23:03
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Players well most of them apart from Stephens lowe Fitz and one or 2 others just aren't good enough..it will need a dam good manager to get the best out of these
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metz1984 Posted on 24/10/2018 01:34
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Can't leave Danny with all this on his shoulders,we need to approach Brown who I believe has good contact's..beggars can't be chooses
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macchiavelli Posted on 24/10/2018 06:58
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Agree with metz and JH. Quality is woefully lacking. IMHO present squad would finish maybe halfway in the NL.

(Another good win for JA's Shrewsbury last night. Norburn and Waterfall among the scorers(remember them? 🙂)).
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Fola Posted on 24/10/2018 08:30
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Updated manager odds:

Danny Whitaker 2/1
Darren Ferguson 3/1
John Askey 8/1
Jay Saunders 9/1
Michael Brown 11/1
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macchiavelli Posted on 24/10/2018 09:19
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Not sure why Danny W would be appointed on the basis of 'played 3 won 1 lost 2', if those appointing simply had the best interests of the club at heart, and weren't just counting the pennies?
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leedsblue Posted on 24/10/2018 10:15
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We need a new manager in place before Cambridge next Saturday.
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Fola Posted on 24/10/2018 10:27
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Get Darren Ferguson in before this weekends match!
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metz1984 Posted on 24/10/2018 10:30
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Askey will not work under blower,so why is he on the list like Leeds blue has put it we need a manager ASAP.and Saunders won't come to live in the north.so it's got to be brown
No use giving it to danny..
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onthemoss Posted on 24/10/2018 10:45
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MB has reported that AA would provide extra funding for a promotion push or a relegation battle.

Over to you AA.
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Fola Posted on 24/10/2018 15:30
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Odds changed again:

Danny Whitaker 1/1
Darren Ferguson 3/1
John Askey 6/1
Jay Saunders 14/1
Michael Brown 16/1
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macchiavelli Posted on 24/10/2018 15:35
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That would seem to have very little to do with logic, and everything to do with finance.
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Waloc Posted on 24/10/2018 16:15
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And it will be a disaster
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JH23 Posted on 24/10/2018 16:26
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Of those on that list I would have Darren Fergusson, but I can’t see us paying him what he wants or him wanting to work with our current set up.
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MenorahTableofShowbread Posted on 24/10/2018 21:45
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SJA will have told SAF about the "ownership model" at Macc. SAF will have told his son.
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metz1984 Posted on 25/10/2018 01:21
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U can bet your bottom dollar he would..club is now an absolute joke..
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crazyface Posted on 25/10/2018 11:06
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Nice to see DF in the running. Could be a great appointment. I'm sure he'd take a lot of pursuading, but something along the lines of,

"Sure Dazza mate I'll loosen the purse string a tad to get us out of this mess I've created and we'll look again at the finances next season. I'll get rid of that blowhard fella. That'll be a few quid to spend. What's your dad doing at the mo?"
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poynton_yella Posted on 25/10/2018 18:27
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Paul Hurst has suddenly become available!
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jimjam37 Posted on 25/10/2018 20:21
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Can the administrator tell me why my opinions on this specific thread have been removed and who has requested
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metz1984 Posted on 25/10/2018 22:19
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Jim Jam, I don't know about that,but now I wouldn't mind Brown having a go at the job
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maccman Posted on 27/10/2018 10:05
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Is the club actually engaged in the process of appointing a new manager ? Seems to be no indication anywhere that this is happening .
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chelmo Posted on 27/10/2018 10:20
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Paul Hurst is an interesting option. He might be persuaded to take the job until the end of the season?
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macchiavelli Posted on 27/10/2018 12:17
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It is (I think) 19 days since the departure of MY was announced.

I have not seen anything published thus far to indicate that we are actively seeking a replacement.

Not expecting any confidential disclosures, but perhaps our supremos might condescend to let the fans know, at least in general terms, what steps they are taking to fill the vacancy?



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metz1984 Posted on 27/10/2018 12:59
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It's a disgrace keeping fans in the dark this long,but at the same time can't see one been appointed..
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boomer22 Posted on 27/10/2018 17:43
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Think they are looking to do things on the cheap but clearly that isn't working. It will be a long lead time to get interviews and then keep offering the job around. Christmas here we come out of the cup and adrift at the bottom.
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TheMadFerret Posted on 29/10/2018 11:18
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Surely we can't go another week without a new manager? Its all very quiet, does anybody have any interesting information from inside the club?
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TheMadFerret Posted on 29/10/2018 11:27
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martyn irvine suspended on sky bet????
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leedsblue Posted on 29/10/2018 13:20
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MY was sacked 3 weeks ago but the writing was on the wall well before that so in terms of planning for the future what on earth has the club's hierarchy been doing?
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macc_blues Posted on 29/10/2018 13:20
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If that happens this place would go into meltdown!!!
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LancsMacc Posted on 29/10/2018 14:16
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It took the club ages to appoint MY, and they couldn't have got it more wrong. It's looking like a similar process this time around, which doesn't bode well. However it wouldn't surprise me at all if they've only just started looking!
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Fola Posted on 29/10/2018 14:41
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Quote from the SST minutes: "Mark expressed a wish that the fans get behind Neil and Danny in the interim period while the decision is made whether or not to look for a new manager."

Signalling they haven't even started looking. This club is so XXXXXX amateur.
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lymeview Posted on 29/10/2018 16:41
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And so rumour becomes fact.
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saltpie Posted on 29/10/2018 17:48
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Fola in fairness the minutes were on the 10th October, Mark Yates was sacked on the 8th, Danny and Neil hadn't had a game then.
Things could had have changed in the meantime
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Dobby Posted on 30/10/2018 08:14
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Be fair, the Club has to be scrupulously confidential. Like with anyone applying for a job, if you are already employed you obviously don't want your current employer to know until you have accepted the post. Even if unemployed you wouldn't want your name bandied about and then be seen to fail to land the job. Everything is speculation, we won't know until it's happened. These things take time, Peter Crouch as player manager in the January window !!!!
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Fola Posted on 30/10/2018 09:00
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It is now pretty obvious that the duo of Whitaker and Howarth were the club's first choice. The cheap option once again.

Howarth needs to go. Don't care if he was once a good player for us- the defence is the worst it has been for years! He was useless with Yates and he's useless with Whitaker!
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crazyface Posted on 30/10/2018 10:08
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Agreed.
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macchiavelli Posted on 30/10/2018 12:20
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Dobby, I agree about the confidentiality aspect, but why have our owner and chairman felt unable thus far, several weeks after MY's departure, to disclose that they are even looking for a new manager?

If we have to wait until January for an announcement, we will be dead and buried. We may be Bury'd on Saturday the way things are going.

We need some action on this and we need it now, or it will be too late.
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mosster Posted on 30/10/2018 12:27
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I'm sure there's plenty of half decent unemployed managers out there who would take the job to-morrow if given the chance. Gary Bowyer and Kevin Nolan to name but two.
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crazyface Posted on 31/10/2018 10:23
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I like this thread. Under my name is the words "New Manager"

LOL[:D]
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silktown Posted on 31/10/2018 10:42
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Do you "fancy it" ? [;)]
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Fola Posted on 31/10/2018 11:02
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Looks like we won't be getting a new manager before this weekend. [V][V][V][V][V][V][V]
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metz1984 Posted on 31/10/2018 16:44
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This thread now looks odds on to beat the famous EDL thread of August 2011 which I think was 235..
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lymeview Posted on 31/10/2018 20:35
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Whit has the respect of both the fans and the players. Would it be such a bad idea to give him the job?
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bollingtonblue Posted on 31/10/2018 22:44
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The key for me is who can attract a few better players to Moss Rose in January. If Danny Whitaker can do that he could be the right choice, if not we need someone who can.
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macchiavelli Posted on 01/11/2018 07:00
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No pun intended, but the bald facts are that, under Danny's temporary reign, it's.....

P4 W1 D0 L3 F2 A8 Pts3 GD-6
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Dobby Posted on 01/11/2018 08:20
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Machiavelli, as always your posts are good common sense, although I do think it's a little harsh to judge Danny on his record for the past four games when he can't even play himself.
The last time everyone was yelling for something to be done we ended up with Yates. The point I'm making is that there is no point in getting somebody for the sake of it, they have to be certain he will improve on the current situation and that will be tough for anyone, especially before January.
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lymeview Posted on 01/11/2018 08:29
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Take the 0-5 result away and we have lost 0-1 twice, both away from home. Against Tranmere Rose hit the inside of the post before they scored. At Cambridge Stephens hit the crossbar before they scored.

During that period we were without Lloyd, Durrell, Evans, Whit himself, Arthur and Ponticelli.
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Fola Posted on 01/11/2018 08:35
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Have to agree with macchiavelli here.

DW can surely not get the job after these results. The player/manager route will not work. Whitaker on the pitch and that clown Howarth on the touchline- we're screwed.


We need a new man in or I can't see us getting anywhere this season.
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macchiavelli Posted on 01/11/2018 08:56
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I have the greatest respect for Danny W., and it would be interesting to learn his thoughts on the current situation, and whether he has any ambitions in management longer term, or whether the current situation has simply been thrust upon him.

His commitment to the club has been unquestionable.

The point I am trying to make is that, regardless of who is in charge, if we just bumble on into January losing 3 games out of every 4, we will be so far behind the pack, that it really won't matter who is in charge. They may face an impossible task.

If we are to survive in L2, we need wins and points on the board, and we need them now, before t'other side of Christmas.
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saltpie Posted on 01/11/2018 09:33
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Obviously we have to start picking up points and not relying on other clubs around us also losing or dropping points.
At present we are a couple of wins from safety and that is easier said than done.
Hopefully the worst case scenario by the time the transfer window opens is 5 or 6 points adrift (obviously 5 or 6 points clear would be better) and then we can strengthen if the owner keeps his promise.
I can't help thinking(possibly wishful) of two seasons ago when Newport were 11 points from safety in March and survived.
So all is not lost yet.
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Silkmen11 Posted on 01/11/2018 09:51
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I don’t any more because it does my sweed in can’t be doing with the way the club is unfortunately I know I’m not alone!!! I feel sorry for you hard core lot - the club doesn’t reflect the loyalty back .
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Dobby Posted on 01/11/2018 09:59
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Macchiavelli, I agree with everything you say but the real point is, who is going to make the changes required to improve?
Danny did provide the first win and I hardly think 4 games, with half the squad injured, is long enough to judge anyone. Give me the name of the paragon who will do so much better with the current squad and their injuries.
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LancsMacc Posted on 01/11/2018 10:13
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We'll probably need an experienced manager in asap, our better midfielders all match fit to start games this month, at least 2 or 3 league standard players joining in January, and be no more than 6 to 8 points adrift of safety. It's going to be very tough, but those that have landed the club in its current situation have a duty to do everything possible to get us out of it.
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blues_bro Posted on 01/11/2018 10:34
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Agree with BB above. Depends if Danny (or Neil) have the ability and contacts to attract players in January. They may have the coaching and man-management skills. Also, can Danny cope with playing and managing?
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Fola Posted on 01/11/2018 10:42
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Howarth is getting a very easy ride here. He was Yates' assistant and had been for years. He would of had say on the recruitment in the summer. Our defence is the worst it has ever been and that is his speciality. If DW is on the pitch, it leaves NH on the sidelines, the man who has been a key-part in this horrendous season so far. He should of gone with Yates. Just because he used to play for us, he's getting a very easy ride here.
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macchiavelli Posted on 01/11/2018 10:49
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Dobby, I think that 'half the squad injured' is pushing it a bit, but I take the point that we do have some key players unavailable, and frankly, I think that even Jose, Pep or Mauricio would have a big problem turning what we presently have, into a consistent winning side.

I tend to agree with other posters on this board that the damage was done pre-season, when, despite ladling on copious amounts of positive spin when the signings/loans were made, the overall quality of the squad has proved to be not even close to the standard required for L2.

The other point I would like to make is that it will be very difficult, even if the money is available, to attract quality players to a 'basket case' languishing several points adrift at the bottom of L2 in January.
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Silkmen11 Posted on 01/11/2018 10:55
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Spot on macca 👍
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Last year and again this year it has been reported by MB that AA's financial strategy for the club is £1 in and £1 out; other than in the circumstances of a promotion push or a fight against relegation.

The questions are:
when does the fight against relegation start?
has planning for a relegation fight started yet?
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Dobby Posted on 01/11/2018 12:03
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Macchiavelli,
Once again I agree with every word of your latest post. The trouble is that it doesn't offer any solution to our problems. It is very easy to be negative in the current circumstances.
You were advocating an immediate appointment of a new manager yet you doubt that even Jose, Pep, or Mauricio could cope with it.
I doubt that our dubious leaders would be able, with current resources, to appoint anybody who would do better between now and January than Danny, so let's give him a chance.
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crazyface Posted on 01/11/2018 12:54
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After making a balls of the selection in the summer, maybe, just maybe, people are being consulted, finances are being checked, to ensure survival. For that it is what it's all about this season.

Hands up all who believe this? No me neither. Probably hoping DW has a magic wand and is still looking for it.
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JH23 Posted on 01/11/2018 13:16
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The only positives will be Callum Evans, Elliot Durrell, Ryan Lloyd and Danny Whitaker returning to full fitness, as I think all 4 would make our current starting XI stronger.

The question is whether that is strong enough to pick up a couple of wins. Evans, Durrell and Lloyd are not meant to be too far away, but Danny I think is about 3-4 weeks away.
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we could do with picking up someone like Rickie Lambert right now. I'm sure we are looking.
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macchiavelli Posted on 02/11/2018 08:24
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I wish I had your certainty that we were even looking, WillMill.

Since MY departed, I have not seen any indication whatsoever that our 'dubious leaders' have even the remotest inkling of a plan to get us out of our current predicament.

'Will we appoint Danny W?' Silence. 'Have we advertised the position? Will we be interviewing? Silence. Have we even acknowledged that we need a new manager? Silence.

Don't the fans who will no doubt be courted to stump up for 2019-20 Season Tickets deserve, at least, some basic information?
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Fola Posted on 02/11/2018 08:47
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I agree macchiavelli- amateur as ever.
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lymeview Posted on 02/11/2018 12:06
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It is a difficult decision. In theory Yates seemed a reasonable choice - He took Cheltenham to the League 2 play offs twice and last season saved Solihull from relegation. Can we find/afford a manager with a better track record?
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Lymeview,
You are right it is a difficult decision, close to impossible. A Manager coming in now would have to have near genius skills plus the resources to strengthen in January in order to stay up. How many people fit that criterion that we could possibly afford? Or are even available? None.
For me the only realistic option is to keep Danny in place and hope that when he gets one or two of the injured players back he can start to foster the kind of team spirit and confidence that took us to last years title. It's a long shot but then what isn't now?
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Apple_Macc Posted on 02/11/2018 14:03
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AA has confirmed Danny wanted the managers job in the summer however a decision was made to appoint an experienced manager with whom Danny could work with.

Danny’s got the job now following MY’s departure so perhaps the fans screaming for the owners to make an appointment might now allow Danny time to show what he can do.
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Smoky2 Posted on 02/11/2018 14:25
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Reading the owners comments Danny is obviously going to be in charge until January , and what happens then will depend on where we are then - so let’s get behind him until at least then ..
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JH23 Posted on 02/11/2018 16:46
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I don't think anyone has been 'screaming' for a manager and I don't think anyone has not supported Danny after all he has done for the club.

I think everyone has stated their concerns about the quality of the playing staff at his disposal. The section of AA's statement that reads 'the current playing squad certainly have what it takes' or words to that effect. Whilst he has to say this, on current performance, they have not shown this to be true and we desperately need Lloyd, Durrell, Evans and Whitaker back on the pitch.
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Fola Posted on 03/11/2018 17:57
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We never conceded 4/5 goals a game under Yates. DW isn’t the man for the job.
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phil_macc Posted on 03/11/2018 18:12
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I’m not sure that’s entirely fair. Remember West Ham.

Also we never won under Yates.
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boomer22 Posted on 03/11/2018 18:43
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We never had such a crap midfield under Yates.
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Fola Posted on 15/11/2018 16:41
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Surely with the transfer window only lasting 1 month- it would be wise to bring in a manager beforehand then they can assess what areas of the squad needs strengthening/ who they like etc.
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fossey Posted on 16/11/2018 08:27
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thats richie wellens out of the picture gone to swindon
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silktown Posted on 16/11/2018 09:32
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Phil Brown ? [rle]
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Fola Posted on 16/11/2018 09:57
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Look at the quote below from the Notts County chairman. A chairman that has made mistakes but wants to make amends. Our owner could take note!!!

""Make no mistake, I do not want this to drag on. Securing our League Two status is now our primary objective - we have to be realistic and treat our current predicament with the seriousness it warrants."
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boomer22 Posted on 16/11/2018 10:38
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The Notts chairman is alive and uttering, ours could be on planet Zog for all we know.
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macchiavelli Posted on 16/11/2018 11:17
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Can't see any indication whatsoever that those in charge of MTFC have any inclination to appoint a new manager this side of us all singing Auld Lang Syne.

They are clearly happy for 'this to drag on', and are just hoping against hope that results will improve even marginally to justify their inaction.
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metz1984 Posted on 16/11/2018 13:07
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They are doing it on the cheap,they don't care it's obvious
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Silkmen11 Posted on 17/11/2018 16:52
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Time for one, and manager I mean because Danny I’m afraid just ain’t doing it... The club is in risk of going back down it’s a big deal no one sees it.
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boomer22 Posted on 17/11/2018 17:16
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Phil Brown would be a good catch if they can pay him.
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imlosingit Posted on 17/11/2018 17:27
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they need one ASAP.cant go on like this its now very embarrasing..
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Silkmen11 Posted on 17/11/2018 17:38
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WHERE IS THE AMBITION
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imlosingit Posted on 17/11/2018 17:40
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thats just it silkmen 11 there isnt and there wont be with the current powers that be..[V]
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Silkmen11 Posted on 17/11/2018 17:57
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And twitter account was way out again this week talk sport had the game in a different flow to how the maccs twitter feed was saying [:O]
There down now no chance of saying up
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imlosingit Posted on 17/11/2018 18:00
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7 points adrift,miracles do happen but in this case i very much doubt it now.this problem should have been dealt with as soon as MY was given the push...
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imlosingit Posted on 17/11/2018 18:01
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just think in about 3 seasons we will have our good old little derbies bavk v Buxton..
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Littleboroughblue Posted on 17/11/2018 18:29
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Firstly I love our club. We are sinking faster thAn the titanic. We are a ship without a rudder can the owners not see what every fan knows. Get a manager this week!
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imlosingit Posted on 17/11/2018 19:47
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they dont give a flying XXXXXX about the club the players the fans need i go on..
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bitternloco Posted on 23/11/2018 12:10
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The Daily Mirror website is reporting that Sol Campbell is currently in discussions with the club with a view to taking over as the next manager - not sure whether this is fake news or not?
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