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Ron_Ipstone Posted on 11/03/2018 11:01
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It is over 22 years since the offside rule (Law 11) was clarified (or amended) to state that to be in an offside position is not in itself an offence, and a player is only penalised when he becomes active in play. This has been defined (amongst other things) as touching the ball, so a player in an offside position only commits an offside offence when he touches the ball, at that point the linesman (assistant ref as they like to be called) puts up his flag.

So far so good.

But why do certain of our fans (the same people every week) get upset when the linesman waits for the player to touch the ball? Happened yesterday and the linesman got called an idiot, but he was only apply the rules as interpreted since 1995.
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jefft Posted on 12/03/2018 10:40
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Exactly! There were several of them around me on Saturday, and just didn't seem to grasp that the 'assistant ref' has to wait to see what the 'offside' player is going to do next.
It is one thing running back with your hands up acknowledging that you are in an off-side position, and another if you then turn and start chasing the ball down.
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Nigel_Shaws_Right_Boot Posted on 12/03/2018 13:02
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Between August and May anyone dressed in black carrying a flag is fair game [^]
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boomer22 Posted on 12/03/2018 13:15
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Yes they may as well have a red breast! You are not offside however if you are in the penalty area and get barged over when you receive the ball at a corner.
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Ron_Ipstone Posted on 12/03/2018 13:49
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Thank you Boomer22, that's another issue some of us have with the assistant referee. Some folk thinks that it is his duty to overrule the referee whenever the latter makes a decision adverse to Macc.

In fact under Law 6 the AR should only signal for a foul when he is closer to the action than the referee or the referee is unsighted.

In the instance you state the referee will be positioned on the edge of the penalty area and therefore closer to the action than the AR. If the ref has a direct line of sight then it's his decision to award or not award a penalty. The AR should not wave his flag.
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bollingtonblue Posted on 12/03/2018 14:10
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But was this rule change about offside a good thing or was the original rule that anyone in an offside position when the ball was passed forward was Offside. It was simpler.
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Ron_Ipstone Posted on 12/03/2018 14:29
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There's no doubt that the old rule was simpler and easier for the linesman to implement and the paying spectator to understand.
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graham73 Posted on 12/03/2018 16:06
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And, in some instances, fairer.

If a player attempts to pass the ball to someone in an offside position, provided that he doesn't move towards the ball, then he is not offside. However, a player can run from a non-offside position to receive the ball. Are the authorities saying that defenders should compute all of this in a split second?

Equally, forwards gain an advantage in that they can be in an offside position in the middle of the field, watch a ball go wide, and then still have an advantage over the covering centre halves in the next phase of play when the cross comes in.

The lack of offside rule has worked in hockey, and,in general, in football but there are exceptions.

However, I'd be all for the notion that players should be able take free kicks and corners to themselves. And whilst we're at it, moving the free kick forward ten yards for dissent should also have been introduced in football many moons ago!
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jefft Posted on 12/03/2018 18:07
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I agree with penalising 'dissent' like this (moving the ball 10 yards nearer). With some teams it would end up over the goal line even before the free kick is taken.
What about awarding a free kick to the defending team if the ball is clearly outside the corner quadrant when a corner is taken? Some of these corners are taken with the ball inches beyond the line. To get rid of any 'interpretation' of what part of the ball is on what part of the line, I would say the ball must rest on the middle of the line. It seems a pedantic point, but some players seem to relish that they are 'getting away with it'.
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boomer22 Posted on 12/03/2018 20:13
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Thank you too Ron I am sure that the ref could well be unsighted when he is trying to look though a tangle of bodies legs and arms at a corner whereas the linesman has a much clearer view of the near post where the offence could well occur having to look no further than the first two players. It is reassuring to know that amongst the great unwashed and brainless there is always a sage who can detach himself from the partisan fever of the moment.
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maccjaj Posted on 12/03/2018 20:26
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Well said Boomer.
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Ron_Ipstone Posted on 13/03/2018 06:24
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They have tried moving free kicks forward to penalise dissent, kicking the ball away etc. but it did not find favour, especially with non-Rugby playing countries who could not get their heads round the concept.

The rules do provide that a player shall be cautioned for dissent etc. but the refs are reluctant to apply this sanction with full vigour.

Link: Free kicks
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bollingtonblue Posted on 13/03/2018 08:06
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It seems that standing in front of the ball to prevent a quick free kick being taken is normal practice and goes unpunished all the time. An immediate yellow card for this offence would stop this practice immediately. Why is this not done?
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graham73 Posted on 13/03/2018 08:56
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Probably because every coach, at almost all levels of the game, has responded to weak refereeing of it by telling a player to 'stand over the ball' the moment that they give a free kick away...
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