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mickyhoss Posted on 21/05/2020 13:36
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Listen to the end of this Aldi advert and then to thE last bars of music on Half Man Half Biscuit 'Funday in the Park' released 2011, Would they have a case?

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mickyhoss Posted on 21/05/2020 13:39
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SohoFox Posted on 21/05/2020 15:37
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Ending sounds very similar.
Its only a few notes.
Might not pass the "substantial"test.
But a little riff like that is capable of being protected if it is "distinctive" enough.
Did HMHB copy it from something else or lift it? If so they don't have a case.
Perhaps Aldi obtained a synchronisation licence from HMHB's publishing company?
Just remember Jack Parnell wrote the old "ATV" ident tune which was only 3 chords and he earned over a Grand a week from it all the years ATV used it up until ATV became Central.
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Filbo65 Posted on 21/05/2020 16:06
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Think the guy who did the four notes for Channel 4 did pretty well out of it too...
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mickyhoss Posted on 21/05/2020 16:10
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The music was written by Neil Crossley of HMHB, He writes the majority of the music to Nigel Blackwell's lyrics. The producer was Geoff Davies
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SohoFox Posted on 21/05/2020 16:27
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Why don't tell Mr Crossley about the Aldi advert and suggest he talks to his publisher?
Who is the publisher?
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mickyhoss Posted on 21/05/2020 16:36
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I've told Nigel who will pass on to Neil. I don't know who the publisher, I suppose it's Geoff Davies. Proper are the distributors
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SohoFox Posted on 21/05/2020 16:46
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It won't be Geoff Davies.
If you could scan a CD - all the writing in the centre of the disc - I could tell you. Or the reverse of the album sleeve.
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mickyhoss Posted on 21/05/2020 16:55
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No, Just says Probe Plus, Distributor Proper
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mickyhoss Posted on 21/05/2020 19:53
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90 Bisodol (Crimond) Album

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SohoFox Posted on 21/05/2020 20:29
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Very poor information. Looks like this album was made by people who don't know what they are doing and don't understand music publishing at all.
I'm not talking about who owns the recordings. Which appears to be Probe Plus (or whoever).
I'm talking about who owns the copyrights in the underlying songs/musical compositions. Thats where the big money is.
Thats why the Beatles are worth a 1000 times more than Cliff Richard. Cliff never wrote any songs.
I appreciate 2 of the band members wrote the lyrics and the music respectively in HMHB. But either they did a deal with a publishing company or they formed their own publishing company to collect in their royalties for when their music is played on tv or radio or used in adverts or films or tv programmes. Or covered by other artists.
This CD gives absolutely no information about that.
It looks like HMHB have no clue whatsoever about how the music business works under the surface - which is where the REAL BIG money is.
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kendalfox Posted on 22/05/2020 07:05
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Blimey G it sounds a murky business
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mickyhoss Posted on 22/05/2020 07:49
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The band have going for 34 years and have released 14 albums and a few EPs and a compilation album. Their last album 'No-One Cares About Your Creative Hub So Get Your Fcu kin' Hedge Cut' reached 33 in the UK album charts. The founder member's life is comfortable but he donít want that image for the band.
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borebage53 Posted on 22/05/2020 09:10
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"I'll name that tune in 2, Mr O'Connor"!
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SohoFox Posted on 22/05/2020 09:49
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Its not about image, Micky.
Its about setting up a structure to collect what is rightfully yours - fees from radio stations, tv companies, hotels, pubs, advertising agencies, shopping centres, internet music streaming sites etc for playing your music that you have written and composed which is intellectual property that you own.
HMHB have set up a structure through Probe Plus to distribute their records and receive money from record sales.
What I am talking about is just another aspect of being paid by commercial outfits who want to use the music you have written.
Its not murky and its not immoral and its not money- grabbing.
You pointed out that whoever made that Aldi advert seem to have used a few bars of a HMHB song and if they have they should pay for it. The problem is HMHB don't seem to indicate on their records where or to whom that money should go.
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mickyhoss Posted on 22/05/2020 10:10
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Geoff Davies holds all the rights. Proper are involved as well, GD is retiring soon.
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SohoFox Posted on 22/05/2020 10:18
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Who owns Proper?
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SohoFox Posted on 22/05/2020 10:35
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It just looks like the info printed on the album record sleeve/disc is a bit amateurish and mickey mouse.
But I guess thats the way it is.
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mickyhoss Posted on 22/05/2020 10:46
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Deffo Proper

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SohoFox Posted on 22/05/2020 11:54
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Yes they are the distributers of the records. And I guess if Geoff Davies owns all the rightsthen he or his company is the publisher.
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