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borebage53 Posted on 20/02/2020 09:01
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........news breaking now!
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borebage53 Posted on 20/02/2020 10:09
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Now being reported as 11 dead,including the suspect, after a gun attack on 2 shisha bars in Hanau,Western Germany!
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Surffers Posted on 20/02/2020 10:12
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To quote Ms Merkel "We can do this " she's improved Germany no end.
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sixthswan Posted on 20/02/2020 10:14
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Far-right German nutter.
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Surffers Posted on 20/02/2020 10:24
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Germany has far right nutters I thought it was a wonderful peaceful leader of the EU .
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borebage53 Posted on 20/02/2020 10:25
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Nine left dead and five with life threatening injuries in two Turkish shisha restaurants. Then the perpetrator,named only as Tobias R by the police,went home and shot his 72 year old mother before killing himself!
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sixthswan Posted on 20/02/2020 10:26
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Perfectly normal to conflate an organisation and country of millions of people; with one crazy individual.

Some nut shooting up a shisha bar, is representative of everyday life in Germany. You are so right. Very right, I suspect.
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Surffers Posted on 20/02/2020 10:33
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So Adolf killed millions on his own , well that's cleared up hey.
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sixthswan Posted on 20/02/2020 10:49
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Who is Aldof?
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Surffers Posted on 20/02/2020 10:53
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Yer grandad , how many guesses do I get?
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sixthswan Posted on 20/02/2020 10:55
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Well you mentioned the person. So you tell me who it is?
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Surffers Posted on 20/02/2020 10:58
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Your eyes playing up yet again or maybe your memory which has let you down many times.
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sixthswan Posted on 20/02/2020 10:59
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I don't care that you changed what you typed. But who the hell was Aldof?
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Surffers Posted on 20/02/2020 11:03
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You got mental problems, don't answer that its obvious you do.
Not a far right follower are you?
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sixthswan Posted on 20/02/2020 11:15
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How strange?
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Surffers Posted on 20/02/2020 11:25
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Time to kip been a long day these fly in fly out days are killing me .
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Walthamstowblue Posted on 20/02/2020 22:04
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In that case, carry on
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harwichfox Posted on 20/02/2020 22:57
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The sick mind of Suffers who probably thinks Hitler was misunderstood.
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TheCraftyOldFox Posted on 21/02/2020 06:54
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Far Right ? .... The BBC will be smothering it with attention .....

Latest grooming gang in Huddersfield jailed for hideous crimes against underaged girls ... Not a mention on the BBC ....
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bnet Posted on 21/02/2020 07:54
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can Muslims be "far right" ?

what s far right is it facist ?

Its it telling people what they can and can't do ?

if thats the case, its a facists ideoligy/religion !!!!!
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dirtybollard Posted on 21/02/2020 08:51
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He was far-right in terms of actually carrying out the attack but you can bet a lot of Germans feel the same as he did.
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Adumass Posted on 21/02/2020 10:48
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this gang crafty? the one that was reported on the bbc two days ago? ffs.

just cos you get a facebook post telling you its not on the bbc, doesn't mean its true...

Link: link
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Mistryman Posted on 21/02/2020 10:55
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"He was far-right in terms of actually carrying out the attack but you can bet a lot of Germans feel the same as he did."

And just like 80-odd years ago, doesn't make it right, does it?
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ArleseyFoxile Posted on 21/02/2020 11:10
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I don't think so Dirty B.

99.99999% of people don't have murderous thoughts based on nothing but hatred.

I think that's a much safer bet.
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dirtybollard Posted on 21/02/2020 11:33
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Misery I come in peace. Of course, that doesn't make it right. If my post hinted at that then I apologise.

My point was if your government sanctions social engineering vis a vis mass immigration with people whose ethnic and religious background have nothing in common with the indigenous population's culture then you are asking for trouble.

Add to that those immigrants then go on to commit acts of religious led violence against the indigenous population then you will reap what you sewed.

Read the bigger picture as to why this sort of thing is happening, open your eyes to reality. It is the German governments and by proxy the EU's fault for this. I have lived in Germany and have relatives there. They can't believe what has happened to their country, and though they would condemn what this man did they also understand what drove him too it.
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dirtybollard Posted on 21/02/2020 11:41
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Arlsey-----99.99999% of people don't have murderous thoughts based on nothing but hatred.

So what percentage of Muslims do you think are acting on your arithmetic?

Islam has a holy book that openly exhorts its followers to murder anyone who is not a Muslim. Maybe you need to read the Quran and re ivaluate you comments?
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ArleseyFoxile Posted on 21/02/2020 11:45
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99.99999% of Muslims don't hate either.

The same percentage.

Most religions have sections that do that. They are medieaval texts after all. It's all in the interpretation. If I'm interpreting the message you are presenting it's that if you read the Qu'ran it automatically turns you into a murderous terrorist.
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hackneyfox Posted on 21/02/2020 11:57
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DB
Perhaps you can help as clearly you must have read The Quran.
Where do I find the phrase 'Man was created single in order to show that to him who kills a single individual it shall be reckoned that he has slain the whole race.'
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dirtybollard Posted on 21/02/2020 11:59
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Yes I have read the Quran ( know you, enemy ? ) I don't see any other religion in the world going around murdering in its name, do you?

I thought the whole point of following a religion is that you agree with its thoughts and dogma? Else what is the point of following it at all?

you follow Leicester city but if all of sudden you read in its matchday program that you have to go out and kill other clubs fans would You? no of course not you would dump LCFC immediately.
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dirtybollard Posted on 21/02/2020 12:12
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Hackney I really don't want to do this, but do you want me to quote the horrendous passages from the Quran in respect to how they view nonbelievers and what the Quran says must be done to them? (nonbelievers ie you and I ? ) Followers-only becomes radicalized if the holy book they are reading preaches radical actions. It's a disgusting piece of work and has no place in a civillised society.
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ArleseyFoxile Posted on 21/02/2020 12:12
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They aren't murdering in the name of religion.

That's what you are being told by people with an agenda. They want you to think you have an enemy.

In reality they are no better than the terrorist who shot up the shisha bar. He read lots of material and concluded that certain people deserved to die in a mass murder in the same way mentally ill Muslims read texts and interpret them as a call to murder and hatred.

I'm not a fan of religion either just for the record but recognise that it can be a force for good if the best bits are used and interpreted correctly.

Some of the bible is crazily murderous and incites to mass murder in the same way the Qu'ran does.
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dirtybollard Posted on 21/02/2020 12:45
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You really are naive though I'm sure a decent person. So shouting Allahu Akbar before committing these murderous attacks has nothing to do with Islam?

It's no engaging in whataboutery in relation to other religions ( I agree they are all XXXXXX ) but no one is shouting Jesus is great while blowing up children at a pop concert.

Would you follow a religion that tells you you must kill anyone who does not believe as you do? if so why? and if not why try to defend a relgion that does so?
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ArleseyFoxile Posted on 21/02/2020 13:22
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For me shouting Allah U Akbar before murdering is an indication that the person committing the atrocities is not in control of their own thoughts. It's a pathetic attempt by terrorists to justify their actions.

Whataboutery is quite important here in my eyes as it shows to me that all terrorists are the same no matter the reasons they attritube their actions to. The terrorists who commit mass murder in the name of the far right don't exactly hide their reasons for doing it either do they? Anders Breivik is a case in point and so is Brendon Tarrant. Mass murder is heinous whichever way you look at it. IMHO it's a myth that a religion is to blame. It's the interpretation of that religion that is the issue for me.

I don't follow religion. And I don't defend them either. But I can't agree that Muslims believe they must kill everyone because some outdated nonsense is written in their holy text.

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dirtybollard Posted on 21/02/2020 13:44
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Yes but you defend their right to follow a religion that espouses violence against fellow human beings indeed defend it.

Rather hypocritical wouldn't you say?

And please saying that shouting Allahu Akabar has nothing to do with Islam.
religion is like saying the German Sieg Heil had nothing to do with fascism.

If I were a Muslim I would demand those evil commands were taken out of the holy book instead of supposedly ignoring them.
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ArleseyFoxile Posted on 21/02/2020 13:59
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I do defend people's rights to live as they please, yes and Modern Islam doesn't espouse violence.

The overwhelming majority of religious people pick up on the positive messages in their holy texts rather than the medieaval violent parts of it. I would contend that if they didn't then there would be a hell of a lot more people running around killing people.

The phrase Allah U Akbar is a peaceful phrase when used correctly. For me it is meaningless when used to justify terrorism.
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dirtybollard Posted on 21/02/2020 14:13
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Right so if I wrote a book that told it's readers to go out and kill anyone who did not read or believe in that book, but called it a religious book I'd get away with it would I ?

You know the answer to that, don't you?

Incitement to violence springs to mind.

But then I could just say it's ok they can just ignore that bit where I said go and kill someone. Freedom of choice and all that?
Stop trying to defend the undefendable.

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ArleseyFoxile Posted on 21/02/2020 14:23
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You know that you wouldn't get away with it so why are you asking me the question?

These books are medieaval. They weren't written 10 years ago or even a hundred years ago. They were written thousands of years ago.

99.9999% of Muslims, Christians, Sikhs, Buddhists and Jedi don't take the murderous bits seriously as they aren't relevant to modern life. As I said before it is down to your interpretation.

I don't remember defending anything by the way. What did I defend apart from the right of people to go about their lives as they please?
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sixthswan Posted on 21/02/2020 14:28
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Which verses in the Quran, advocate rucksack bombs and live beheading videos? I can't find them?
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Drew-Peacock Posted on 21/02/2020 14:40
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Dead beheadings are a bit pointless
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dirtybollard Posted on 21/02/2020 14:46
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Which bit in the Quran said women have to dress head to toe in Black with just an eye slit to look through? or walk behind their husband or sit in a separate part of a mosque away from the men? or have no equal rights for that matter? see we can all pick and choose.

As for beheadings and bombings, they are just a method of murder, the message in the Quran just says to kill all infidels, the method doesn't matter but the commands sure as hell do.
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sixthswan Posted on 21/02/2020 15:00
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You're making the point for me.

The Quran doesn't tell women to dress in black with small slits to look out of.

Nor is the walking behind and separation in mosques based on gender, in the book.

Those are all misintrpretations of scripture; or societal and community constructs, created to control and protect.

There also isn't anything saying that infidels should be killed. The reference is to idolaters and specifically a tribe that was persecuting early followers of the Muslim faith in the 7th century.

Even then, the Quran offers the chance for members of this tribe to repent for the persecution they will inflicting and to promise to keep the peace.

This teaching has been completely misunderstood, taken out of historical context and used by aggressors in the Middle East and beyond; to grab power, spill blood and wreak havoc.

You could misinterpret the Bible. Taking "an eye for an eye."

There are infinite ways this could be understood. The punishment fits the crime. A Muslim kills a Christian. So kill a Muslim. No different to the nutters in ISIS and elsewhere.
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ArleseyFoxile Posted on 21/02/2020 15:09
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Yes we know that there are messages in the Quran that say that. And we know there are plenty of oppressed people in Islam. I'm not comfortable with that aspect of it either if I'm being honest. But to claim that all Muslims live by all of these rules isn't true.

Have you read Deuteronomy in the Bible. That has a few instructions on killing Infidels in it.

It was all the rage 2000 years ago apparently. They preferred using stones to bombs back then
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sixthswan Posted on 21/02/2020 15:19
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There are some cracking rules in the Bible.

If two blokes are having a row, if one of their wives grabs the other bloke by the genitals; he is allowed to cut off her hand.

In one particularly disturbing scene, some boys were calling a bloke "baldy." He asked the Lord to curse them. Two bears appeared and mauled 42 boys to death.

Deuteronomy 21:18-21 allows the stoning to death of a son who is being a bit mardy.
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ArleseyFoxile Posted on 21/02/2020 15:27
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My 11 year old calls me all kinds of names.

Is there anything I can use in there on him?
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dirtybollard Posted on 21/02/2020 15:31
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Oh lord, not the whataboutery argument again.

Look I detest ALL religion but at the moment I only see one religion being used to murder people all over the world and yes you guessed it, it's Islam.

Maybe you should go and tell the parents of those children blown to bits at a pop concert that it wasn't that loving peaceful religion Islam that it was done under the name of.

You keep burying your empty heads until the next atrocity done in the name of Islam and just hope it's not you or your children eh?[:(]
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ArleseyFoxile Posted on 21/02/2020 15:44
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In my eyes it wasn't Islam that it was done under the name of. So maybe I won't be telling them that.

And yes I thank you for your concern. Let's hope some nutjob doesn't kill me or my kids
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dirtybollard Posted on 22/02/2020 00:04
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Oh in your eyes eh? that's alright then. And you call me a nut job, Jesus Christ you really are a special kind of weirdo.[rle]
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ArleseyFoxile Posted on 22/02/2020 00:41
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I didn't call you a nutjob.

But you called me a naive, hypocritical weirdo.

Whatever, call me what you like.

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Surffers Posted on 22/02/2020 04:58
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Ok the real nutters try this

The Quran contains at least 109 verses that speak of war with nonbelievers, usually on the basis of their status as non-Muslims. Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called 'hypocrites' and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter.

ISIS based their murderous ways on the teaching they read in the Quran, no one lives by the Bible anymore but the Muslims are medieval in their outlook.

Still posting total bollix then sixth prat get an eye test it may help.
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