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mac_ Posted on 07/11/2019 10:27
Right Wing Brexit
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Turned it in to that very nicely ainít they?

Theyíre not giving it up easy.

Fíck the EU
Fíck the NWO.
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Surffers Posted on 07/11/2019 10:36
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Apart from 17.4 million sane people who else has supported Brexit.

The BBC , No .
The Labour Party ,No.
The Lib Dims,No.
The SNP, No.
The treasonous 20 bench crossing Tories ,No.

Boris Johnson has never been right wing unfortunately but he is the last hope of democracy.
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TartanFox Posted on 07/11/2019 10:39
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sixthswan Posted on 07/11/2019 10:41
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Brexit is left wing too.
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Surffers Posted on 07/11/2019 10:44
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Brexit is all about not being ruled by a foreign power, the left would give the country away just to destroy the UK .
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sixthswan Posted on 07/11/2019 10:50
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It's the old Horseshoe Theory again.

Those at the right are pro-Brexit, because it offers an opportunity for more wealth (for the elite, not the ordinary person) and deregulation.

Those at the left see the EU as a neo-Liberal organisation and would want to see it fail.

The right and the left are very similar, in that they see the EU as opposite to what their idealogies dictate.

Good luck with smashing the EU and the NWO.
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mac_ Posted on 07/11/2019 10:54
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Only racists and little Englanders want Brexit.

Have you not seen the telly news?
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Surffers Posted on 07/11/2019 10:56
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The people who voted leave see Brexit as regaining the country for those born in the UK and not funding the basket case EU economy's while UK poverty climbs .

Stopping Brexit is stopping democracy, the UK needs democracy more than Brussels .

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ClaphamFox Posted on 07/11/2019 10:57
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Many folk who voted for Brexit insist it wasn't about immigration/free movement. They hate being labelled as anti-immigration/right wing because they claim it has always been more about sovereignty - ie, not being ruled by a foreign power. Fair enough - I don't like the idea of being ruled by a foreign power either. The problem is, if we leave aside free movement for a moment, I'm struggling to think of many EU laws that we're currently forced to live under that we're likely to abandon once we leave. Can anybody help me out?
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sixthswan Posted on 07/11/2019 11:00
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We are already a sovereign nation.
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Surffers Posted on 07/11/2019 11:01
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The FOM of movement is an EU law,you must try harder .


16 Asian Pacific countries have now formed the biggest free trade area in the world twice the GDP of the EU with no Brussels to rule over it.
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sixthswan Posted on 07/11/2019 11:04
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It is always amusing to see someone completely misunderstand and misread a post.
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Surffers Posted on 07/11/2019 11:05
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If you cannot control who comes into the country you are no longer a sovereign country .
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mac_ Posted on 07/11/2019 11:06
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Did you have a small smirk to yourself, when you realised you were too clever to be understood.?
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ClaphamFox Posted on 07/11/2019 11:06
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Sorry Surffers - let me clarify. I know that FOM is an EU law. But lots of people who voted for Brexit say it's not really about FOM, but rather independence/sovereignty, etc. I'm just curious to know what EU laws apart from FOM we'll abandon when we leave.
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Surffers Posted on 07/11/2019 11:09
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Try the right to sign our own trade deals without EU interference.

Maybe the right to set the VAT rate without the EU directive that it has to be above 15%.

The right to support British industry with government funds .
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sixthswan Posted on 07/11/2019 11:17
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Hi Mac. It wasn't me that was misunderstood. Also it wasn't you I was referring to. No smirks either.
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sixthswan Posted on 07/11/2019 11:20
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For me it comes down to this. Which is the best deal for the UK? Not in idealogical terms. In real, economic terms. For the average person.

Boris Johnson Deal
No Deal
Remain in the EU
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dirtybollard Posted on 07/11/2019 11:20
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Try parity. Why do so many EU countries have higher rates of pensions for their elderly than we do given that we pay more into the EU than we get back? Even if it was all about the fear of being swamped by immigrants and losing our own culture who can blame them? Those same worries are being felt across all of the EU states. Crime rates attributed to the immigrant influx are being exemplified across France and Germany too. It's not just the British who have had enough of this social engineering, try asking the German public and in particular the Italians Greeks and French.
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ClaphamFox Posted on 07/11/2019 11:22
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Do you actually think we'll get better trade deals than the ones we currently have? Why?

Do you think that VAT will go below 15%? If the UK wants to drop it below 15%, why is our current VAT rate 20% - 5% above the EU minimum?

Do you believe British industry will be subsidised more than it is at present? Do you think subsidising failing industries is a good thing?

If you really believe all these things, fair enough - there's logic to voting for Brexit. I fear you might end up being very disappointed by life in post-EU Britain though - or at least you would if you lived here.
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sixthswan Posted on 07/11/2019 11:29
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If Brexit happens. The Brexiteers are in for a huge shock, as each reason why they supported it; becomes a huge disappointment.
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TartanFox Posted on 07/11/2019 11:31
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Genuine question, who decides the UK pension rates, age etc... Is it the UK or the EU?
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dirtybollard Posted on 07/11/2019 11:34
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Yes, but do you believe the EU operates in a democratic form? When did you get to vote for the president of the EU? When did you get to vote if you wanted the freedom of movement of EU members without any checks? The fact is you didn't get to vote at all. If those concerns over basic democracy make me a right-wing person than go ahead label me I'll wear it with pride.
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sixthswan Posted on 07/11/2019 11:40
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The UK decides it's own pension rules. Nothing to do with the EU.
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ClaphamFox Posted on 07/11/2019 11:44
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Of course it doesn't make you right wing. I also think the EU doesn't score highly on the democracy front. I'm just curious to know how, in practical terms, we can expect life to change for the better once we leave. It strikes me that in most areas that people really care about - public order, crime, defence, education, health - we pretty much set our own laws without EU interference. The EU DOES have a major influence in areas such as workers' rights, trade, safety standards, etc - but you could make a strong case for saying that things have improved in all these areas because we've been in the EU. I'm just trying to figure out which EU laws that make life worse in the UK we will be getting rid of as soon as we leave.
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sixthswan Posted on 07/11/2019 11:50
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Agreed Clapham. As well as the laws we would need to get rid of; I repeat:

Which is the best deal for the UK? Not in idealogical terms. In real, economic terms. For the average person.

Boris Johnson Deal
No Deal
Remain in the EU
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dirtybollard Posted on 07/11/2019 12:02
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I agree Clapham but we were sold the idea originally as a common market, not political union and certainly not EU laws. What we will gain from our departure is our freedom to trade with who the hell we like and our governments will be free to pass and act on any laws they see fit.

Had they have tried to have a referendum back in the '70s as to whether we wanted to join an EU state as opposed to a straightforward common market the answer would have been a resounding no.

No one but a fool can but realize the EU is all about political control over its states, the trading is just a cover nothing more. For instance, would we have under any circumstance thrown our borders open to people who have no right to be here other than being a member of the EU? you know we would not have done that.

We should have been worried when they even invented a flag and an EU anthem ( controlling behaviour reminiscent of the NAZIS ) In short what exactly do we get from the EU considering the amount of money that we pour in?
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hackneyfox Posted on 07/11/2019 13:00
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NAZIS invented flags and anthems?????

Priceless, now need to wipe my keyboard and screen.
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mac_ Posted on 07/11/2019 13:16
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The left/right my dadís bigger than you dad boneheads start again.
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sixthswan Posted on 07/11/2019 13:28
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Back to your original point Mac. Brexit isn't a right wing thing. It's a left wing thing too. Also centrist. The right-wingers just seem to be the ones with the loudest voices.
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mac_ Posted on 07/11/2019 13:44
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Thatís what Iím getting at pal, I know.

The media are portraying it as a right wing thing.

Entrenching it that if you want Brexit, you are rabid right wing racist.

Deflection and manipulation.
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sixthswan Posted on 07/11/2019 13:56
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The problem is that Brexit emerged from the right-wing of the Tory party. From the ERG and Eurosceptics, who are invariably right-wing.

They are running the show now. Even though Boris is not really right-wing and his boss Dominic is a Tory hater.

So the whole things seems right-wing inspired and right-wing led. Which is very different from calling the average person who supports Brexit; a right-winger.

Many are not - at all.
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dirtybollard Posted on 07/11/2019 15:53
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First of all Hackney, I realise your reading of the English language has never been your strongest point, but I shall reiterate just for you . I said A flag and anthem pertaining to the European community. Which part of that statement confused you?

And as for labeling Anyone who voted out since the referendum as a rightwinger, that is squarely on the shoulders of the losers who in their desperation at actually losing a democratic vote chose not to cede the point but to try to overturn that democratic vote by any means possible, including smearing anyone who actually stood up to them as Fascist rightwing and racist.

They are on here in plain sight, the usual hand wringing brainwashed souls who simply can't understand that they may not be the brightest star in the sky and everyone else must be stupid. Well, kiss you ars* goodbye to all that we are now going to blow you away with another democratic vote that you won't be able to argue with.[:D]
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sixthswan Posted on 07/11/2019 16:01
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The problem with Brexit.

Whichever version you can think of; is that it either won't be over for many more years. "Get it done" is utter trash. Years of negotiation ahead...

Or; it won't happen at all...

Or it will happen after many years and then will be overturned by Article 49.
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dirtybollard Posted on 07/11/2019 17:04
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There is no problem with Brexit, never has been except to the losers.[rle]
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Unicum Posted on 07/11/2019 20:01
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I agree with Sixthswan and Foot and Benn and Corbyn and Galloway.... Wanting to leave the EU came from the Tory party.
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dirtybollard Posted on 07/11/2019 20:09
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Wanting to leave came from the British public as expressed in the leave result. The referendum came from the Tories ( which they never in a million years expected the result we gave them ) Don't blame the tories for giving us a referendum, blame the EU for making us hate them so. [^]
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RoyalBerkshireFox Posted on 08/11/2019 06:51
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Assuming the Uk leaves the EU soon it will give the UK Government a real headache as they will have lost their scapegoat to blame for all that is wrong with life.
Wonder who they will find for a new scapegoat?
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sixthswan Posted on 08/11/2019 09:20
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I blame the Tories.
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dirtybollard Posted on 08/11/2019 09:21
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Well according to some on here it will be Corbyn's problem as they actually think he is going to be the next pm.[:D][:D]
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sixthswan Posted on 08/11/2019 09:31
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I blame Corbyn then. He's only given himself six months to sort it out.
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