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LGFOX Posted on 20/10/2019 08:02
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So in 3 different home games this season VAR has saved us and in all 3 decisions weíve been lucky IMO. Itís meant the difference of potentially 5 points taking into consideration that Spurs at 2-0 up would have probably gone on to win. VAR has so far been a good thing for us.
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astleyfox Posted on 20/10/2019 08:19
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Fair dinkum!
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ClaphamFox Posted on 20/10/2019 08:21
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We werenít lucky yesterday. It was a foul.
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LGFOX Posted on 20/10/2019 08:47
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Clapham. Yes youíre right. My point was that if this had been last season that goal would have stood. Weíre Ďluckyí that VAR has been brought in this season.
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ArleseyFoxile Posted on 20/10/2019 08:48
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Didn't stop homer refs giving pens against us at Anfield and OT
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LGFOX Posted on 20/10/2019 09:07
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Thereís a big problem with pens and VAR. Not one pen has been overruled this season. Not one. How did VAR not see that was a pen for Watford yesterday. It was 100% and thereís been plenty of others too.
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borebage53 Posted on 20/10/2019 09:13
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The only way you are going to get a penalty decision reversed is if the referee goes to the pitch side monitor and might have to correct himself. But they don't ever do that and VAR will never disagree with their original decision.It's just not as 'independent' as we would like to expect on penalty decisions but for any other decisions,as ours yesterday was,they seem to get it right.
Taverner last week gave a penalty against Albrighton for minimal contact + exaggerated delayed dive by Mane. Yesterday Taverner missed a clear penalty by Vertonghen on Delafeou with 2 clear contacts on him from behind as he took the ball through.
On the plus side it was amusing to see Dyche turning a deeper shade of ginger when he is angry!
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swabianfox Posted on 20/10/2019 09:14
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Not sure if it means much but let's say the Liverpool penalty hadn't been given, and the goal yesterday would have stood we would have ended up with two draws (two points).

Now we got a win and a loss and three points in total.
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Lozfox1978 Posted on 20/10/2019 10:09
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The refs wonít start using the pitch side screens because they are afraid of the player aggression and abuse they will receive until they do/ when they donít. In rugby the ref is treated with much more respect.
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northleicsblue Posted on 20/10/2019 10:30
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A pen decision was overruled in a game in Germany this weekend.
So it can be done.
In cricket the umpires are more concerned with getting the correct decision than either their own ego or the players and fans responses.
The answer is to have a panel of officials from other sports doing the VAR. Tell them their job is to ensure the correct decision is made according to the laws of football.
That would do the job.
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borebage53 Posted on 20/10/2019 10:44
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Every referee has a yellow and a red card in his pocket which he can use as he deems appropriate if any obstruction or aggression is shown by any players during his running of the game. Largely, so far, I think that players have towed the line very well as soon as a referee points to his ear set and indicates that he is waiting for a VAR decision. Yesterday Evans appealed for a foul as he is perfectly entitled to do and VAR looked at it and made a decision. There was no obvious aggressive behaviour from any Burnley player over the decision and certainly not Chris Wood.
The one good thing about VAR so far, as I see it, is that it has taken any arguments from players to the referee out of the equation. Earlier in the season the Wolves players seemed to take the decision against their 'goal' very well after the VAR intervention.
Managers and players want it to work and are responding to it positively although VAR could be done better and that may come in time.
There is plenty of respect in Football today as was shown by the solidarity of the Haringay and Yeovil players,management and match officials in the face of vile racism at their match yesterday!
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Filbo65 Posted on 20/10/2019 11:16
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I'm keeping track of the VAR decisions, and we're in credit by two at the moment. I tried working out the difference in points, but there are too many variables involved.
It's funny to think that some people feared that VAR would mean we'd have nothing to argue about post-match...
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m4DD0gg Posted on 20/10/2019 11:37
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This is why VAR is good. It helps enforce the rules of the game. Simple as that. How many times in the past have Leicester and other teams been XXXXXXed over by poor refereeing and the pressure placed up on them to award decisions in favour of bigger teams.
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Travs Posted on 20/10/2019 12:20
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I follow Italian football quite heavily (it beats following Cov most of the time)

Donít think Iíve seen a game this season that hasnít had some sort of VAR related XXXXXXup.

Genoa vs Milan had two penalties wrongly awarded after consulting VAR. The Milan one was looked at for 4 minutes while they decided whether it was was deliberate handball or not. If it takes them that long then how can they be sure... to make maters worse they then sent the Genoa defender off for the Ďdeliberate handballí.

The Genoa penalty was a more blatant dive than the Manť one, they looked on VAR and still gave it.

End result, as usual Italian chaos... 8 minutes injury time, 4 players sent off (two of which were on the subs bench).

Atalanta 3-0 up away to Lazio yesterday.... coasting to victory... Lazio player going away from goal, pulls off perhaps a worse dive than in the Genoa game, one gets awarded and they didnít even look at VAR. A minute later itís 3-2, and they equalise in injury time (incidentally a correctly awarded penalty)

Football should be able to be officiated (within reason) the same way on a Sunday morning as it is in the Premier League. vAR makes a mockery of this, and they change the rules to suit VAR rather than for the good of the game...

Farce.
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m4DD0gg Posted on 20/10/2019 12:56
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Lol italian football..........most corrupt league in the world.
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Higher_Power_Fox Posted on 20/10/2019 15:00
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Travs Posted on 20/10/2019 15:08
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Mad dog..... it also has prices, an atmosphere, and in general a matchday experience which XXXXXXes all over anything the Premier League produces...

(I am not doubting the negative sides and corruption... but the Premier League is hardly above reproach either)
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swabianfox Posted on 20/10/2019 15:38
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i think most sports that have introduced technology to decide on contentious issues have benefited from it in the end. Hawk-eye in tennis, cricket, rugby and so on...

Granted, they're not getting it right in each and every case at the moment but I'm sure this will come with time.
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Filbo65 Posted on 20/10/2019 16:11
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So you go to Italian games, Trav?
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Travs Posted on 20/10/2019 16:55
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FIilbo.... I have been to a good number of Italian games, yes.

Probably the most high-profile ones being the Rome Derby, and Milan vs Juve.

Rome Derby was incredibly tense and a superb atmosphere, but the best atmosphere Iíve ever experienced at football was 80000 at the San Siro for Milan Juve.

Also seen the likes of Atalanta, Inter, Bologna, Fiorentina, Hellas Verona. Iíd love to get to some games in the ďDeep SouthĒ as Iíve never been further south than Rome...... Napoli, Lecce, Bari, etc.

No doubt about it, the quality of the stadiums is behind England.... basically huge concrete structures or bowls... and still large moats around the pitch at places like Bologna and Atalanta... but the general experience and atmosphere is way above England.

I tend to try and get tickets in the ultras end, and at most games if you plan in advance this is possible, unless the particular club restricts this with the fan-card.... in the ultra end thereís no point in even attempting to get to your seat, just get in and stand somewhere... I expected San Siro to be a bit commercial but in the Curva Sud every time someone scanned a ticket there were about three people jumping through the gate.

Even at Verona who were 2nd division at the time, with 15000 in a huge 40000 bowl of a stadium, and no real away support to speak of, produced an atmosphere that Iíve rarely seen matched in England apart from some real big cup ties.... at both the Rome Derby and San Siro, I arrived in the vicinity of the ground around an hour before kickoff, and then noise inside was such that I was convinced Iíd messed up the time zones and missed the kickoff..... incredible...

With regards to racism, yes Iíve heard monkey noises at games..... in the Lazio ultras end, but also on a much smaller scale at Atalanta and (if I remember correctly AC Milan), both teams with historically left-wing ultras..... although both groups are more centrally aligned now...

It isnít for some people, youíve got to be organised and knowing a little of,the language helps.... but itís still a world away from the English game in the ultras ends...
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ibbosuk Posted on 20/10/2019 17:29
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Now Liverpool know how we felt 2 weeks ago, what comes around, goes around.VAR not helping Liverpool on this occasion.....WHAT A SHAME...lol.
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LGFOX Posted on 20/10/2019 22:59
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Yes. MOTD2. Klopp going ballistic over the Ďclear and obviousí foul before the Man U goal. Oh I do like Karma
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Filbo65 Posted on 20/10/2019 23:02
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Travs Ė Is the football still as boring as hell?
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Travs Posted on 21/10/2019 08:36
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I donít think itís any worse (or better) than any of the top leagues.

Genoa vs Milan is the most entertaining match Iíve seen so far this season. Iíve seen some terrible games too, but have seen the same in the Premier League.

I think the quality of the top 5 or 6 is probably slightly behind that in England (Juventus excepted)... but i do think the depth of quality extends much farther down the league than in England.... thereís some utter dross in the Premier League, and certainly less of it in Italy.

Really could do with someone breaking Juventusí dominance.... Inter look the real deal this year and have the best chance for years... but behind Juve, itís usually a pretty tight league.
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Adumass Posted on 21/10/2019 09:58
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i've been impressed by the way they used VAR in the rugby over the weekend.

ref gives his decision but then asks the VAR to look at a particular incident.
the VAR guys then give their opinion whilst also showing it on the big screen.
the ref watches the big screen - no running off to the sidelines to watch on a little secret monitor - and either confirms or over rules his original decision.
all of this is done in the open and we hear every word of the discussion.

everyone is fully informed and can see the basis on which a decision has been arrived at.

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borebage53 Posted on 21/10/2019 11:00
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Liverpool don't have a big screen probably because it would need subtitles for all the tourists. Manchester United don't have one either probably because they don't believe any decisions would ever go against them!
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borebage53 Posted on 21/10/2019 11:08
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.........at Bournemouth they have to phone a friend!
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