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bnet Posted on 08/10/2019 20:27
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Camped out there and attacking people buying meat. Theyve also set up stalls flogging veg, which if normal people started fly pitching they'd get nicked. Been told that its going to kick off with the traders as they've had enough of these loon's. My mate said you can't even go and buy a burger alone without the risk of violence.
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hackneyfox Posted on 08/10/2019 20:54
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Risk of violence, really?
Can you find anything to support that?

I thought they were rather brave/stupid pitching up there as the risk of violence was more likely to be from some bloke covered in blood and carrying a cleaver.
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hackneyfox Posted on 08/10/2019 20:56
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I note that your message actually mentions that the porters may kick off so seems any violence is only going in one direction.

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bnet Posted on 08/10/2019 22:04
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No, l was just talking to my mate who buys there daily, the loons are nuts. The word is that they where going to switch the cctv off and explain to the loons its not good messing with peoples livelihoods.
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sydrock Posted on 08/10/2019 22:27
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Hackney, get real, these people are trying there best to disrupt the lives of others who want to work, get to work and/or live their lives without risk or danger.
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jackieguaccamole Posted on 08/10/2019 22:36
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Stop being a c*nt Hackney..
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northleicsblue Posted on 08/10/2019 22:44
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Sad fact is vegans are right
We need to stop eating meat
Farmers and butchers donít like to hear this
This is the front line
The E-R mob there must be either hard or brave or very committed
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jackieguaccamole Posted on 08/10/2019 22:58
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Why do we need to stop eating meat?
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northleicsblue Posted on 08/10/2019 22:59
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To save the planet
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bnet Posted on 08/10/2019 23:02
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don't you mean "to save the cows " ?
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jackieguaccamole Posted on 08/10/2019 23:02
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How does us not eating meat save the planet?
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bnet Posted on 08/10/2019 23:04
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plants produce oxygen so if we eat plants are we fukcing summot up ?

anyway l like cows they taste like beef.
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Surffers Posted on 08/10/2019 23:43
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It's been suggested meat causes bowel cancer one of the major cancers that kills millions world wide so its infact saving the planet by keeping down the population in the Western world.

Mr Gates wants to rid the world of malaria the greatest killer in the 3rd World, hes off his trolly these people have 8 or more kids who all need some kind of meat.
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dirtybollard Posted on 09/10/2019 07:30
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What a sad act society we have become whereby someone's personal beliefs are being forced on others. If someone accosts me in the street and tells me I must not eat meat or I will suffer the consequence of their displeasure I am going to resort to violence on those said people. It is, unfortunately, the only language they understand. I fully support the Smithfield workers if they too have to fill these cretins in. A meat cleaver can be very persuasive in such circumstances.
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northleicsblue Posted on 09/10/2019 07:57
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Jackie, in the words of the wonderful bnet, google it you fcking idiot
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dirtybollard Posted on 09/10/2019 08:00
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Oh yes, let's all believe what google says eh? you're the fvcking idiot.[rle]
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ClaphamFox Posted on 09/10/2019 08:19
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I'm a vegetarian in principle. One day I'll get around to being one in practice again.
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hackneyfox Posted on 09/10/2019 09:34
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How am I being a c*nt Jackie?

Just meant to believe everything bnet posts without question?

Can we not question any of his threads?
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jackieguaccamole Posted on 09/10/2019 09:41
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I think if you knew the half of what bnet has been through you wouldn't say the stuff your saying and secondly, we all have different opinions, stop trying to force them on others..
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outfoxed Posted on 09/10/2019 10:03
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Jackie, you and I have no idea what anyone that posts on here is going through, it's not fair to pull people up on something like that, especially in defence of someone that told a poster to kill themselves when they admitted to suffering from depression.
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Drew-Peacock Posted on 09/10/2019 10:10
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Cows are vegetarian, what's the issue?
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ClaphamFox Posted on 09/10/2019 10:23
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"we all have different opinions, stop trying to force them on others.."

Wouldn't a social media platform where people aren't allowed to force their opinions on others be a bit like a tennis court where people are banned from using rackets and balls?
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hackneyfox Posted on 09/10/2019 10:39
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Jackie
I know what bnet has been through.

Does that mean he's allowed to post anything and not be questioned?
He's perfectly capable of looking after himself. He's no snowflake.

Where am I forcing my opinion on anyone, I just questioned his claim that the protesters were getting violent, a claim that can't be backed up anywhere.
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jackieguaccamole Posted on 09/10/2019 10:57
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We both know those protesters are annoying c**ts, thats what they do, they antagonise people until they react and then scream assault. They're idiots..
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hackneyfox Posted on 09/10/2019 13:38
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Ooh be careful jackie, you're acting like a c*nt and disagreeing with bnet who claimed that it was the protestors who were making threats.[;)]
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bnet Posted on 09/10/2019 14:49
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outfox, that was reverse psychology or tough love, l didn't really want him to kill himself he wanted to confide in me l think but l don't do that so really l probably told him to man up in other words. FFS he was depressed because his misses left him, surely there was an upside !

Bare in mind it was in a night club on a Saturday night[smi]

Anyway you'll be please to know he didn't and l sold him a Merc.
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hackneyfox Posted on 09/10/2019 15:37
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scoops Posted on 09/10/2019 15:46
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Been in town today and thankfully not many of them causing too much disruption over Olympia way.

Unfortunately these people are often the loonie lefties whoíve got faaack all better to do than annoy everyone else and disrupt their life.

I couldnít care less whether someone eats meat or not as it doesnít even register on my list of things that actually matter .

And some of them are deluded if they think eating meat contributes significantly to climate change .

Also, Iíve not seen a single one of the loonie drummers who can keep time and arenít even close to a half decent paradiddle .

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dirtybollard Posted on 09/10/2019 16:05
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They all need netting and herding to the nearest abattoir. Getting rid in a humane way is the least we can do.
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scoops Posted on 09/10/2019 19:23
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I would like to see them kettled and then herded into the Thames en masse.

It would bring me deep joy and could even become a new sport !
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northleicsblue Posted on 09/10/2019 19:44
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Some tools on here today
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hackneyfox Posted on 09/10/2019 20:09
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Not difficult to search and find that reducing meat consumption and flights helps to combat climate change.
Have we reached the point where we want to Ďround upí any protesters who we disagree with. Yes I know most are just looking for a reaction when they post but it never used to be like this.

This has never been a country of extremes, Brexit has changed that, hopefully not permanently.
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bnet Posted on 09/10/2019 20:16
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but there's no man made climate change, yes theres polution but the rest is rubbish.
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northleicsblue Posted on 09/10/2019 20:18
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Surffers Posted on 09/10/2019 20:47
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People make pollution and the left wing prats on here do zero to reduce it apart from moaning.
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scoops Posted on 09/10/2019 21:38
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Brexit hasnít caused us to be a country of extremes. Itís maybe given the loonies another reason to protest , cause havoc in the city and play the drums badly.
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wearthefoxhat Posted on 09/10/2019 21:53
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I remember a time when Hackney was protesting that his neighbours had built a fence that was his responsibility but he was stressed that they might have encroached on an inch of his land, middle class socialists Iíve sh!t em.
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bnet Posted on 09/10/2019 22:10
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have you seen the daft fukcers dancing, now i've got 2 left feet these tv vats have got 3.
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hackneyfox Posted on 09/10/2019 22:35
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dirtybollard Posted on 10/10/2019 09:48
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Of course Hackers it doesn't get more extreme than citizens choosing to ignore democracy including MPs.What do they think we are going to do throw up our hands and say fair enough you have caused such a stink about your disagreement of us leaving the E.U that we will now choose to ignore our own democratic rights and let you have your way? Similarly, these filthy unwashed jobless brainwashed cretinous loons are a symptom of a fractured society whereby these minority parasites think that if they cause enough problems to fellow citizens they will get their own way ( whatever that is ) They won't and we will leave the EU too. They need spraying with Anthrax.
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RoyalBerkshireFox Posted on 10/10/2019 13:30
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...these minority parasites think that if they cause enough problems to fellow citizens they will get their own way ( whatever that is ).

Aren't you perfectly describing Boris Johnson and his ERG chums there?
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hackneyfox Posted on 10/10/2019 13:37
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We all know you're only after a reaction DB, you're meant to do it without making yourself look a complete knob. [;)]
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dirtybollard Posted on 10/10/2019 15:40
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Berkhead they are not the majority though are they? The majority were the voters who voted out and the minority were sad acts who lost the referendum but are too stupid to realise it. Let me re wind it for you, Johnson is in power through democracy. Now I know that sounds like a dirty word to you but millions of British people have died to defend that ideology. If you think we as a majority are going to let you and your ilk steamroller and take away our democratic rights you are in for a big shock. think on.[;)]
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dirtybollard Posted on 10/10/2019 15:45
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Hackers I'm not looking for a reaction at all. I stand by every word I say. I know that worries you and so it should, because to dismiss me and democracy would be a very serious decision for you and your liberal fantasists. The consequence is the keyword.
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Filbo65 Posted on 10/10/2019 20:21
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I reckon social media has played a huge part in the development of extremes Ė and the inability by many (if not most, these days) to even consider the opposing ideas or views [|)]
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RoyalBerkshireFox Posted on 10/10/2019 23:59
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Typical Brexitter. Resorts to name calling and playground threats. No substantial arguments just shouting down and insults. Democracy is a sham. It can be used to describe either side of the argument. In 3 years maybe people have seen the error of their ways and changes their opinion. Maybe not, but if so why are Brexitters so afraid of a second referendum? Boris has only been elected by his party members. No one voted in his puppet masters. Hardly democracy in action is it?
Think on indeed!
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Surffers Posted on 11/10/2019 01:07
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RoyalBerk why should anyone believe in a 2nd referendum if the first is not carried out.

The fact is both major parties ran on a leave mandate until a GE that stands and is democracy.

The only threats are coming from Brussels and extortion.

Juncker was appointed by a few leaders Boris won a vote by 160,000 party members, the EU is a sham no other trading organisation has a Brussels or would entertain it, stop being a serf.

Who voted for the 60,000 EU puppets or the micky mouse Presidents and commissioners.
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Bruin Posted on 11/10/2019 01:59
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Don't normally join in politically motivated threads, mainly because I don't need others to believe I have an opinion either way. I like to be seen to be even-handed.

Do not understand the above post. It's a mess.

'Democracy is a sham.It can be used to describe either side of the argument.' Yet you implicitly stand by only one side of that argument paying no regard (not even lip service) to the other. So democracy only works one way and it's a sham because the other side of the argument bested your side? (Ie it would not have proven a sham had 'remain' won the day at the ballot box; you would not have posted; it would have been a victory for all, who in your one-eyed view saw sense).

Political leaders' election by party members of whatever hue has been entrenched in British politics since Robert Walpole and absolutely is part of our democracy. Tell me, who exactly are Boris' puppet masters? And I will tell you who voted them in.

'...the error of their ways..' How arrogant are you? Those people (a majority don't forget) voted how they saw it. Who are you to deliver pompous, quasi-educational objection to their choice?

What gives you the impression that 'out' voters are so afraid of a second referendum? I don't think they are. I would however say that Jeremy's reticence to agree to a general election is nothing whatever to do with parliamentary procedure but borne totally out of fear and certain knowledge that he would lose that too.

Out of sheer curiosity and for no ostensible reason, I have conducted a microcosmic survey of my own which suggests that not only have all those who voted to leave dug in their heels and would reinforce their opinion at Ref mkII, but a surprising amount who voted to stay EU members would now express the other way in the name of what they see as democracy.

Yes, it's true that the BBC managed to find turncoats among leavers. But a worldwide organisation with resource such as they have must, if those people are there, have surely found more reliable folk to support their agenda with greater gravitas than the interviewed Alf & Gertie who live in a mobile home in Peterlee, justifying their reversal with such as: 'I voted out coz I don't like all them foreigners and coloured folk over here sharing my benefits, but I'll be 67 next year and get my pension and they reckon that it'll be worth nowt if we leave without a deal, so I want to stay in now.'

And that's about the best that they seem able to come up with, but more sinister is the way that people like that are held up as typical leave voters in effort to demean the credibility of the whole genre.

Yes, young man, talking of puppet masters Auntie Beeb has been pulling the strings of a massive cross-section of our electorate and are apoplectic that it wasn't enough. Maybe, just maybe, you're the one who needs to think on.

BLUE ARMY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Surffers Posted on 11/10/2019 03:28
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If there is a prize for the best and most interesting post, Bruin wins hands down.

Far to real.
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Unicum Posted on 11/10/2019 07:36
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We should all know one basic truth: democracy can only work if we accept democracy. That means accepting a democratic decision no matter what your opinion is. Of course, you can live to argue another day, but the fundamental still applies: the democratic decision has to be accepted and IMPLEMENTED.

If not, then why should anyone ever accept any democratic decision from that point on?

It's that simple, but as always on here, a lot of people show that their own personal bias is too strong to resist.

Other than that, this thread is mental. Someone should print it out and frame it.
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billsballbag Posted on 11/10/2019 08:26
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Bruin's spot on.

If you can't see both sides of the argument in any debate you should deservedly be on the periphery of it.

I find it amazing how people that I know very well make a judgement on other people's thoughts when they wouldn't have a clue what their lives are like.

There's plenty of middle class pseudo intellectual sneering about people voting leave which puts my right off my cornflakes.
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bnet Posted on 11/10/2019 08:53
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best explanation on the thread and backed up by the posts that follow. Well put Bruin.

I've said that l didn't vote, and explained the reason quite a few times. Basically l didn't know enough either way to make a choice, l also wasn't really interested.

The when out won l thought, what are these people doing not accepting it and trying to ignore or overthrugh it. I then took a side,and that was because one side were no accepting a democratic vote, no other reason. They must be wrong as they won't accept democracy !

l started looking into since then and realised how ridiculous the EU is and how naive and idiotic that the anti-democrats are. l'd say stupid, but l would wouldn't l. The more l looked at it the more l was convinced, and the more l read people like Sixthswans 'opinions' the more it compounded this. l honestly know people who voted stay who are now leave and l honestly hardly know any remainers. l don't know if this is general across the country but l suspect it is. l also find that these undemocratic sorts are the ones causing all the trouble, telling all the half truths, using non facts as facts and regurgitating complete lies. What else is anyone to believe with all this totally B S fear mongering from one side!
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RoyalBerkshireFox Posted on 11/10/2019 09:17
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Thanks Bruin. I'm more than happy with what is at last a measured and respectful response with well made points. I haven't got time to respond now but I just wish the rest of the threads could be conducted in the same tone.
I'm resigned to us leaving and what will be will be. I am not convinced of the validity of most of the arguments for leaving are valid. Time will tell if it was the right thing to do and one half of the country will be proven wrong.
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Surffers Posted on 11/10/2019 11:10
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Well said Royal to understand both sides shows real maturity.

I have great repect for my country of birth and know the people are stronger than the
EU mafia.
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sixthswan Posted on 11/10/2019 11:29
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Bruin.

A post about only seeing one side of the argument; which then proceeds to do just that.

Including a "microcosmic survey", which "proves" that there are now more "Leave" voters.

Also an "even-handed" analysis of the BBC. You know, that organisation which is heavily infested by Tories.

Boris's puppet masters are Dominic Cummings and the hedge fund Brexiteers who have been bankrolling him. None of them have been elected.

You definitely need to think on.
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dirtybollard Posted on 11/10/2019 11:57
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It all comes down to the question do you believe in Democracy. It is the basic fundamental heart and soul of this country and one that was exported around the world. The reason? because it was and is still seen as the fairest way for all it's citizens to have a say in the way their country is run via an electoral system. The alternatives? communism, dictatorships, military juntas, Fascism, all have been tried and all failed with terrible consequences to the ordinary citizen. Yet we have a section of our society who have never had to live under such appaling political setups denying democracy's very existence in this the cradle of freedom and democracy. The referendum vote was plain and simple in or out yet they see fit to belittle and smear the majority voters intelligence and scream and shout like petulant children who did not get their own way. If the vote had gone the other way do you think we would be having this ridiculous situation we are now in? All of this rancour and division is the result of one section and one section only, the losers who simply will not accept that they lost. You should hang your priverliged heads in shame.[:(]
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foxinabox Posted on 11/10/2019 12:11
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Good post, Bruin.

You say that the BBC is biased towards remainers, however that's also true of ITV, Sky News and Channel 4.

The problem is that the Government are trying to negotiate with the EU, and such a negotiation is by it's very nature secret (despite leaks on all sides designed to make their position look better than it is).

This is no good for rolling news, who require a constant stream of updates, and they will get this by interviewing the Labour Party, the LibDems, the SNP, Leo Varadkar, the DUP and the whole Brussels set-up whom they persist in regarding as grown-up politicians as opposed to the Conservative Party, who have split themselves apart on this whole issue much like the rest of the country.

Do I want more interviews with Boris, Gove, Williamson, Priti Patel, Javid, Raab, Rees-Mogg and the rest of them? No, because they will put their foot in their mouth and swallow it. Every word by them is strictly analysed to the nth degree, therefore it's best for them to just get on with their jobs and remain silent as far as possible. They're just trying, as far as they can, to uphold democracy.

The same does not apply to the various opposition parties who are scrambling for as much airtime as they can get in order to criticise Boris and the whole Leaver movement.

It seems like every move Boris makes 'is treated with anger' by the opposition parties. That's the headline, cue interview with John McDonnell, cue interview with Nicola Sturgeon, who can be relied upon to give us all the information that we already know, i.e. John McDonnell would do better than the Conservatives at negotiating a deal that would be better than Theresa May's deal and then unaccountably run a second referendum to appease Labour voters, and Nicola Sturgeon doesn't want Brexit at any price.

I can only hope that the electorate won't be fooled by this. The biggest danger, in my view, is the otherwise unlamented Paul Dacre being replaced as editor for the 'Daily Mail', which has shifted it's position from 'no deal is better than a bad deal' and allows Peter Oborne to spread his 'no deal would be a disaster' on the comments page day after day. The Mail is the key to undecided voters, in so far as anyone can possibly be an undecided voter at this stage.



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sixthswan Posted on 11/10/2019 13:33
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DB.

Democracy is currently underway. It is a shame that the ERG wouldn't support the Withdrawal Agreement, when they had the chance. Especially as Brexit was their idea.

I'm happy for the Referendum to be acted upon and the UK leave with a deal that suits us.

That is what is currently taking place. That is democracy in action.

Have you been sleep-walking the last 3 years?
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brizzlfox Posted on 11/10/2019 16:09
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We should consider eating less red meat - we don't need to stop altogether. Global demand for red meat has been soaring in recent years (particularly in societies with fast-growing economies like China).

More red meat requires more cattle (which create a lot of greenhouse gasses anyway - particularly methane) which requires more high-protein feed to generate bigger, 'meatier' cattle.

Since the BSE/vCJD scare farmers switched to soya-based feeds to provide the protein. In order to meet higher global demand for soya-based feeds more and more rainforest (particularly in Brazil) is being cleared to allow more land to grow it...I think that's their "beef" with it...
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LeicesterRino Posted on 11/10/2019 16:20
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We should develop blue cows
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dirtybollard Posted on 11/10/2019 19:19
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Sickone I'm wide awake and on to the likes of you.[;)]
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Bruin Posted on 12/10/2019 04:16
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Well, sixthswan Iíve taken your advice and Iíve thought on. I read and like a lot of your work. Some of it (esp the political diatribe) doesnít resonate with silver bells but I always enjoy being entertained. You are clearly a well-read fellow and not only on this subject, though this appears to be your hobby horse. Sadly it seems, that your fanaticism to see Brexit fail, despite your protestations to the contrary are manifest - a burden which you donít carry well.

Mine wasnít a post about only seeing one side of the argument, it was a reply to a post ostensibly about democracy which took three quickfire Ďleaveí-bashing sentences to get there.

I suppose it depends upon from which side of the fence you sling your shilo as to how your perception allows you to interpret a balancing point of view. For thatís what was intended. Redress.

I deliberately used the word Ďmicrocosmicí to describe the fact that I had only conducted a personal survey among approx 30 Ė 40 friends/colleagues/family to gauge their stance prior to the referendum and their feeling afterwards. Purely for personal curiosity, no more than that. There was no mention nor claim of proof in any quarter; that must be your hang up.

If you believe that the BBC or any other major broadcasting station (as mentioned by foxinabox) is not heavily rife with anti-establishment presenters such as Laura Kuenssberg; Emma Simpson; Rita & Sami Chakrabati; Jon Snow; Krishnan Guru-Murthy, or that their never ending focus on the humanitarian side of life rather than quality news being the correct path for such programmes and is what I (we) tune in for, then you havenít really grasped their agenda and as such your assessment fades to grey.

Re puppet masters: Dominic Cummings was appointed by Boris. Are you suggesting the tail is wagging the dog? Woof! Woof! And anyone I know who works anywhere near hedge funds finds Brexit a most distasteful dish altogether. There is though, one on these boards who will explain hedge fundery[smi]; its affiliations and its loyalties, much better than me.

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