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hackneyfox Posted on 11/09/2019 12:58
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Makes it even more interesting.

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sixthswan Posted on 11/09/2019 13:01
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This is so embarrassing for the nation. Just resign Boris...
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henry56 Posted on 11/09/2019 13:11
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Interesting. that our Sovereign Parliament and British courts have so much power isn't it ? I thought it was the pesky EU which has it all .
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sixthswan Posted on 11/09/2019 13:18
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I know. Weird isn't it. Here was me resigned to EU serfdom as well.
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Lozfox1978 Posted on 11/09/2019 13:20
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Who gives a flying fcuk what the Scottish courts think. Problem is all the Supreme Court judges are fat chute fro the Lords who are bunch of remainders. This Country is a crock of shiit. Let Corbyn have a go and sink it for good.
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astleyfox Posted on 11/09/2019 13:20
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Well, its a bit faakin late now, innit?
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astleyfox Posted on 11/09/2019 13:20
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Well, its a bit faakin late now, innit?
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mac_ Posted on 11/09/2019 13:25
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Well just bin him and have general election then?
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ArleseyFoxile Posted on 11/09/2019 13:25
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Maybe Boris can go to the European Court Of Justice for help?
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hackneyfox Posted on 11/09/2019 13:25
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Well I've learnt something new today.
Bashing the keys whilst frothing at the mouth leads to spelling mistakes. [;)]
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sixthswan Posted on 11/09/2019 13:27
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I'd imagine you'll continue to see that for the rest of the day and the next for weeks; at least.
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ClaphamFox Posted on 11/09/2019 13:54
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The ruling basically says that Johnson lied to the Queen in order to get her approval for the prorogation. If the Supreme Court upholds the decision (and I have no idea which way they'll go), his position as PM surely must become untenable?
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henry56 Posted on 11/09/2019 13:55
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Heres more interesting stuff .
“Why not publish Yellowhammer ?
Because it will stop Brexit
Why ?
Because the people will realise the potential consequences are too horrific
So why do it ?
Its what the people want”
Brexit is collapsing under its own ridiculous contradictions
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sixthswan Posted on 11/09/2019 14:05
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Whatever the Supreme Court rules (I suspect in favour of the government), the original ruling that BJ has lied to the Queen remains.

Is that enough to make his position untenable?

Would the Supreme Court have to find that it is OK to lie to the Queen, if they refuse to find against the government?
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mac_ Posted on 11/09/2019 14:07
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Oh I see.

It’s not a ‘no deal’ Brexit you’re not happy with?

It’s just Brexit, at last some honesty.
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sixthswan Posted on 11/09/2019 14:08
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Who you talking to?
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mac_ Posted on 11/09/2019 14:08
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Errr so have they got to back work then?
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sixthswan Posted on 11/09/2019 14:11
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You would have thought so. If the advice about prorogation is null and void, then it in law, no longer exists. They should be back at work.

But the government is relying on the Supreme Court on Tuesday...
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mac_ Posted on 11/09/2019 14:12
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The post I replied to, but that doesn’t usually prevent you from sticking your beak in.
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sixthswan Posted on 11/09/2019 14:14
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Ooooh - saucer of milk...
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hackneyfox Posted on 11/09/2019 14:15
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Where and what is the setting to see who replied to what?
Mine just shows posts chronologically.

Out of interest and sticking my beak in, who were you replying to?
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sixthswan Posted on 11/09/2019 14:17
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I have the same chronological setting. I know where to change it, but it never works for me.

Hence the confusion...

Also can't see any posts which infer what Mac was suggesting?
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mac_ Posted on 11/09/2019 14:35
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I was replying to Henry, but if you’d also like to be honest that’d be great.
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sixthswan Posted on 11/09/2019 14:51
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Me?

I've always been honest.

Remain.
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hackneyfox Posted on 11/09/2019 16:27
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Can someone open this link to The Telegraph and cut and paste please.

Farge and Icarus

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ClaphamFox Posted on 11/09/2019 16:44
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Here you go:

Here is how Nigel Farage can avoid being the Brexit Icarus and see us fly out of the EU to freedom
Hunter Dubose

As Greek legend tells it, in a bid to regain his freedom and escape the dominion of a foreign land, Icarus took to the sky, borne aloft by hand-made wings fashioned from wood, feathers and wax. But, enticed by the golden glow of the sun, Icarus flew too high. The sun’s heat melted the wax that secured the feathers to his wings. Icarus plummeted into the sea. He drowned in his own tragedy.

It is a morality tale that Nigel Farage would do well to heed.

To remain relevant now that Boris Johnson has firmly re-positioned the Conservatives as a party of “Leave, deal or no deal, come what may”, Farage must now pivot to become both a Brexit kingmaker – by not contesting safe and marginal Tory seats at the next general election – and a Brexit enforcer – maintaining maximum pressure to ensure that Boris keeps to his word on Brexit. The Brexit Party simply lacks sufficient campaign resources – deep-pocketed donors, experienced ground troops, extensive databases – to successfully compete head-to-head with Boris for pro-Leave Tory voters.

But will the hubris of power and the siren song of his own potential tenancy in 10 Downing Street get the better of Farage?

His ill-considered commitment to a comprehensive election manifesto will divide both his Brexit Party and the electorate. And it sends a decidedly unhelpful signal that he has his sights on a domestic policy agenda and premiership that extends well beyond delivering Brexit.

If he continues down this path, Farage risks becoming a Brexit spoiler, splitting the pro-Brexit vote and becoming an insufficient threat in the polls to ensure that Boris stays on course to deliver a Brexit that actually lives up to the 2016 referendum promise to “take back control”.

But, Farage needs literally only three manifesto pledges in order to keep Boris honest on delivering a proper Brexit and, if Boris fails to do so, to lead the Brexit Party to a resounding majority at the next general election:

1. Deliver a Brexit on WTO terms immediately after winning an election.
2. A caretaker government on all other matters.
3. Call a general election immediately after the UK leaves the EU so that the people can vote for any party and full policy package that they desire for post-Brexit Britain.

Let’s call this the Daedalus Manifesto. Daedalus was Icarus’s father, who built the wings upon which Icarus sought to fly to freedom. He also cautioned Icarus to resist the temptation to soar too close to the sun.

The Daedalus Manifesto is a simple and effective cure for the twin-pillars of the Brexit Party’s inherent existential dilemma.

The first of those two pillars is that, no matter how much the people might desire Brexit, they simply don’t trust a single-issue party – one with experience neither in government nor even in opposition – to manage critical domestic and foreign affairs such as the NHS, education, crime and national security.

The lessons of the 2014 and 2019 Euro elections make this crystal clear. The British people care strongly-enough about leaving the EU that they were willing to hand, first, Ukip and, later, the Brexit Party the greatest share of the UK’s allocation of seats within the EU parliament. Of course, Ukip were and the Brexit Party are fundamentally powerless to actually do anything substantive about Brexit from within the EU parliament; only the UK parliament has that power. So, these were symbolic, pro-Brexit protest votes more than anything else.

However, the failure of Ukip to win even a single seat in Westminster during the 2015 and 2017 general elections and of the Brexit Party to win the recent by-elections in Leave-voting Peterborough and Brecon & Radnorshire following their Euro election success in May reveals that the electorate’s desire for a reliable and proven party at the helm of the British government eclipses its yearning for the UK to leave the EU.

The second of those two pillars is that support for Brexit cuts across the traditional partisan and ideological divide of left versus right. Forging a comprehensive policy prescription that would keep both sides content is nigh on impossible.

Just look at two of the Brexit Party’s current MEPs: Claire Fox and Ann Widdecombe.

For 20 years, Fox was one of the chief activists and organisers of the Revolutionary Communist Party. During that time, she was co-publisher of its magazine, Living Marxism. Fox was also kind enough to feature in Brexit: The Movie, which I produced. Widdecombe is an arch-conservative and former Tory minister and Shadow Home Secretary. She has been outspoken in her opposition to abortion and LGBT rights and in her support for the death penalty.

Fox and Widdecombe are united by their common desire to see the UK, once again, an independent, democractic, self-governing nation. But, beyond Brexit, Widdecombe is the ideological chalk to Fox’s cheese. Good luck on getting them to come even remotely close to agreeing on what the right policies should be for taxation, social housing, NHS reform, education funding, labour rights and a whole host of other topics.

And it would require less spin to make the Earth teeter off its axis than it would for the Brexit Party to successfully sell the same set of policies to voters in Labour Leave strongholds such as Durham and Bolton as to voters in pro-Brexit, Tory heartland regions such as East Anglia and the West Midlands.

Farage has almost-certainly already realised this dilemma.
Calling it a “contract” rather than a “manifesto”, Farage promised during multiple press interviews in April 2019 that a full package of policies would be announced by the Brexit Party after the Euro elections in May.

He then revealed a smattering of random ideas on 1st July at Brexit Party rally in Birmingham. Cancel HS2. Zero interest student loans. Eliminate high street business rates outside of the M25. Free WiFi on public transport. He told the 5,000 adulatory supporters in attendance to expect a snap election in the autumn and told them that the Brexit Party would be ready to fight it.

This was followed by deafening silence on manifesto ideas for over two months until the Brexit Party announced a solitary additional policy on 8th September: abolish inheritance tax. Beyond that, the party has stated no positions at all about the economy, crime, health, education, defence, or any other key area of policy.

With the prospect rapidly looming of a general election sometime this autumn, one can’t help but wonder whether Nigel Farage is struggling to conjure-up a singular message that could unite Brexiteers, one-and-all.

Without a cogent and universal message for national governance and with Boris’s Conservatives now crowding them out of the pro-Leave electoral positioning they once monopolised, it is no surprise that the Brexit Party has experienced a precipitous decline in the polling for Westminster voting intentions. They have dropped from a peak of 20% in June to just over 12% today, according to polling aggregator, Britain Elects.

With each percentage point reduction in the polls, Farage’s mantle of Brexit enforcer has become increasingly-anaemic. If Boris Johnson does not fear losing votes to Farage’s Brexit Party, then there is nothing to keep him from going back on his word to vanquish the much-loathed Backstop from the Withdrawal Agreement or delivering some other form of Brexit-in-name-only.

If the Brexit Party continues to fare so poorly in the national polls, it is all-but-inevitable that they will seek to cling on to relevance by fielding candidates in every constituency in order to maximise their national vote share, rather than leaving safe and marginal Tory seats to the Tories. This, of course, would split the Brexit vote and open the door for Remain-supporting Labour or LibDem candidates to win, even in heavily Leave-supporting constituencies.

And, so, we might well end up with a “Brexit” that surrenders more control than it takes back.

We might end up with no Brexit at all.
The Daedalus Manifesto solves all of this. It makes a clear, simple, compelling proposition to all pro-Brexit voters across the left/right political spectrum:

We will make Brexit happen immediately, we won’t stay in power for any longer than is absolutely necessary to deliver Brexit, we won’t try to tinker with any other policy while we are in power, and you can pick whichever political party you want to run the government as soon as our job is done.

The Daedalus Manifesto is also remarkably in-tune with the national mood music. After over three years of parliament dithering, endlessly, over Brexit, the British people are absolutely fed-up with it all. They want Brexit to be done, so that we can all just move on.

They have also lost virtually all faith and trust in the establishment political class, as a result. And, so, voters are likely to resonate strongly with a Brexit Party manifesto that promises to relinquish control at the earliest opportunity rather than try to clutch hold of power, endlessly, like incumbent political parties would be expected to.

The flip-side of this is that a Brexit Party manifesto with any policies in addition to the three set-out in the Daedalus Manifesto serves no useful purpose at all. Unless, of course, Farage envisions himself lingering in office well-after Brexit is done and dusted. The significance of this would not be lost on the nation’s exasperated electorate.

This, then, is Nigel Farage’s Icarus moment.

Will he fly to freedom by casting aside lofty personal ambition to ensure that Brexit happens and happens properly? Or will the temptation of an extended residence in Downing Street lure him too close to the vainglorious sun, only for him to crash into the sea, dragging the nation’s Brexit aspirations down with him?

The election manifesto he chooses will tell us all we need to know.

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mac_ Posted on 11/09/2019 16:53
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Lols
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TartanFox Posted on 11/09/2019 17:17
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Is this Scottish judgement legal tender down here?
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Drew-Peacock Posted on 11/09/2019 17:24
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Old fogies are frit of Jimmy Crankies mother
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allblu Posted on 11/09/2019 19:23
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A saving grace of remaining in the EU is that if Sturgeon gets Scotland independent (& consequently out of the EU) we could veto them getting back in and then put up a Hard Border!
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Surffers Posted on 11/09/2019 20:46
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The English courts already said it was OK so when does the army move north to invade jockland.
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Nomadic_Fox Posted on 11/09/2019 20:47
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It is 1-1 on court rulings given the High Court said it was not illegal.

A lot of weight being placed on the Scottish Court of Sessions decision while almost ignoring the High Court's decision in England.

As is the UK way, the Supreme Court provides the casting judgement (once all the appeals and counter-appeals are done!)
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Surffers Posted on 11/09/2019 20:51
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This in reality does not matter it was only 4 days the rest is party conferences.
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bnet Posted on 11/09/2019 23:37
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harm injury or loss, which one is it because if its none of them then its not illegal.
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Surffers Posted on 12/09/2019 00:50
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Will the Scottish invade and get as far as Derby again given their Law will be disobeyed by the English.
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Fugazi Posted on 12/09/2019 00:57
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A view that would appear worth taking seriously...

Link: Innit ?
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Surffers Posted on 12/09/2019 03:18
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Just when did the Bull dog spirit turn into the whining serf attitude , 1974 rings a bell.
The posts on here crying the UK cannot do this, cannot do that and are powerless compared to the criminals in Brussels is wearing a bit thin.
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Mistryman Posted on 12/09/2019 08:26
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"Bulldog spirit" joins...

"We can get through this, we've been through worse than this"

"All we have to do is believe"

Same bluster, different day.

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sixthswan Posted on 12/09/2019 09:22
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Boris lied to the Queen, Parliament and the People. Now it looks like he has been lying to Farage, with his team stating that he is "not a fit and proper person" for government - in rejecting the offer of a Tory/BP pact.

There may be trouble ahead...
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Surffers Posted on 12/09/2019 09:44
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Wrong again it's about pride and self determination rather than serfdom .

Since the referendum 1 million jobs have been created and unemployment is down to 3.9% that's equal to before we joined the con market for the first time in 44 years .

The doom and gloom project fear is being proved wrong , grow some and accept the EU is the problem not the answer .
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Surffers Posted on 12/09/2019 09:46
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Try pride and self determination not serfdom .
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Adumass Posted on 13/09/2019 09:50
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"Just when did the Bull dog spirit turn into the whining serf attitude"

i think it left with you, when you turned tail, raised the white flag, and ran away and became an immigrant.
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