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TheCraftyOldFox Posted on 10/08/2019 14:23
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Hung himself ..... Wonder if things will get interesting for individuals such as "Randy" Andy now ? .... Seeing how the likes of him have been getting away with it ? ..... [rle]
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bnet Posted on 10/08/2019 14:29
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suicided, not a surprise as he had a very big can of worms with the lid half off.
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Unicum Posted on 10/08/2019 14:52
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Operator.
Obviously, another one of them coincidences....
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bnet Posted on 10/08/2019 15:27
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doesn't take a lot of working out does it !
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sabredunce Posted on 10/08/2019 15:52
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How does that happen, he was on suicide watch. A lot of powerful people breathing a sigh of relief.
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jackieguaccamole Posted on 10/08/2019 16:05
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Is he dead though, or just been shipped off to the secret nonce island..
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jackieguaccamole Posted on 10/08/2019 16:06
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I reckon Trumps doing a pretty good job of rounding up the noncey f*ckers. Hillary next..
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wints Posted on 10/08/2019 16:32
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Suicide you say. Mmmm.
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bnet Posted on 10/08/2019 16:49
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They say that there 120,000 sealed inditements, Epstein was one of the first to start them being acted on. There will be hell of a lot of evidence supplied by him before he died or was relocated. Draining the swamp !

The Clinton Foundation will be one to look forward too.
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Unicum Posted on 10/08/2019 22:55
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I see now that heís dead, the beeb desribe him as 'discraced'. Caaaaants. Utter caaaants. Fkyour adjectives and give me objective, brave and deep journalism. You utter caannnts.
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harwichfox Posted on 10/08/2019 23:02
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Convenient death, already on suicide watch, at one of USAs best prisons, means trump and Co won't have have the embarrassment of a trial.
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Unicum Posted on 10/08/2019 23:12
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And by the way Harwich, you with silly absolutes, you're a caaannt too.
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FlemingtonFox Posted on 10/08/2019 23:28
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RIP, are you XXXXXX kidding me! If half of what he is accused of is true I hope he burns in hell for all eternity.
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FlemingtonFox Posted on 10/08/2019 23:29
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So XXXXXXed-off I posted twice!
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harwichfox Posted on 11/08/2019 02:14
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Too intellectual for you Unicum this view is shared by the FBI? AND a top US barrister defending R Kelly says he was housed in a 360 degree transparent cell and that it would have have been pretty difficult to not see what was going on he reckons they left him to it check your facts before you make your childish remarks. XXXXXX
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ClaphamFox Posted on 11/08/2019 08:45
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To be fair, nobody was more surprised by Epsteinís suicide than himself.
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sexual_Kermit Posted on 11/08/2019 09:08
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He was Arkancided by the Clintons, no doubt.
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Unicum Posted on 11/08/2019 09:22
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Harwich. The only thing you're interested in is the apparent surface of matters. But even then, it's only a small part of the surface and will only ever be that which fits in with your biased slant on things.

You're predisposed to always come up with the same stuff no matter what you look at.

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ibbosuk Posted on 11/08/2019 12:22
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Very powerful peopleCould not allowed him to live, if some people want to say he took his own life while the guards were on a toilet break thatís fine, but it does not really matter does it. ?[:o)][rle]
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hackneyfox Posted on 11/08/2019 23:25
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Thereís an awful lot of XXXXXX out there.

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hackneyfox Posted on 11/08/2019 23:27
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As he was found semi conscious and with injuries to his neck a few weeks ago it seems unlikely that it was murder.
People being paid to look the other way is another thing.
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glosfox Posted on 12/08/2019 11:32
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Type in "Clinton Body Count" the list is jaw droppingly long!!
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Unicum Posted on 12/08/2019 12:36
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Well then, thanks for the facts Harwich. So glad to know that at least you have the facts. And from the facts that you have, no doubt you'll get other facts. You're great.


I suppose it's because you're intellectual.

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Tubebar_Rich Posted on 12/08/2019 14:38
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Don't mess with the Skull and Crossbones boys... How long until they get Donald??? Wouldn't be surprised if they put him there to take the biggest fall ever. #BiggerPicture
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mac_ Posted on 12/08/2019 16:15
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You crazy conspiracists.

Auntie Beeb has put the conspiracy theories to bed.

Phew.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-49312746?intlink_from_url=https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/topics/cl7003r72r4t/jeffrey-epstein&link_location=live-reporting-story
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bnet Posted on 18/08/2019 08:39
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Some Leicestershire names in Epsteins black book of associates. The Duke an Duchess of Rutland plus a Mr and Mrs Murray-Phillipson and a Kate Murray-Phillipson. Loads from London and quite a lot from the west country, probably the Cotswolds area.

Was looking for the usuals like Vaz and Janner !
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hackneyfox Posted on 18/08/2019 10:05
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Thatís right all those conspiracies must be true because the BBC said they arenít.

Think what they were highlighting was the fact that the vast majority must be wrong as they are so diverse.

Strange he didnít claim someone had tried to murder him in the same prison. Perhaps he kept quiet because they threatened to murder him.[;)]
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sabredunce Posted on 18/08/2019 10:11
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Can't speak for mac_ - but the point seems to be the BBC will question things to a length, they'll criticise a government - as they come and go.
But never the state [:O]
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TheCraftyOldFox Posted on 18/08/2019 10:34
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Vazz and Janner organised their own agendas ..... [rle]
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Unicum Posted on 18/08/2019 10:48
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I can't speak for the beeb. But two things: I like the angle sabre. It's well-put and often confused. You've chosen the word 'state'. I reckon you could choose a number of other words, but the linguistics don't really matter.

I don't know if what you are saying is always true, but their non-reporting on Savile and other such beauties like what our elected reps were doing secretly meeting at Bilderberg for all those decades, probably backs you up.

But besides the fact that the Beeb obviously isn't always wrong... (I think what we have with them is also a mixture of a tepid culture of its own making, developed over a period of time and in which its employees must tick the boxes to stay on board. And to be quite honest, ignorance and a willingness to play to the gallery and ridicule.) None of this bodes well for its continued support from the people it sponges off.

Second point, some people here love conspiracy theories. Not because they're interested, but the more the merrier. The wilder, the better. Just so they can laugh, dismiss them all and feel secure that none of it is happening, and in some cases, feel intellectualy superior to others. It goes like this: you think JFK was done in by more than one person, therefore you believe Elvis was a lizard.

This latter bit is played out on here all the time.
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foxinabox Posted on 18/08/2019 13:26
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'You've chosen the word 'state'. I reckon you could choose a number of other words, but the linguistics don't really matter.'

Yes, they do. What is the 'state' but lots of individual people, who somehow know more than the rest of us about lots of things that have to be kept secret. How else would you describe them? I'd be interested to hear the other words you'd choose.

Now, who actually belongs to this 'state'? Clearly not the government - the government and all opposition parties have their own particular way of messing things up.

I can't believe that there are people like Chris Grayland or Priti Patel who once inside No 10 shake off the mask and become ruthless operators devoid of any mercy and with a flourish known only to television dramas reveal their true reptilian selves.

So who is it then? The civil service? The Royal Family? The heads of intelligence departments? George Osbourne? The bankers? The freemasons? The Knights Templar? The Jews?

It all doesn't make sense. You would think that the Illuminati might make a better job of running the world than they in fact do, instead of pooling their resources to protect VIP paedophile rings.

They can't all be paedophiles and one would expect a certain amount of whistle-blowing to go on - unless they've been promised certain death if they reveal any secrets about the group. Maybe you believe that.

It's like trying to have a dispute with the Christians, if you try and make some sense out of what they say, despite the fact that they're dealing in half-hidden parables and things that contradict each other, you will only get that amused smile of 'you don't understand, the world is more complicated than you think. I don't know how to explain it to you, but you need to have faith'.

Faith in what??
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bnet Posted on 18/08/2019 13:46
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some of us are trying work it out, by doing so a lot of things reveal themselves.

Peado rings are about control, plus there's a lot who believe there sacrificial evilness going on. We will probably never know.

The simple way to try and unwind it is start by accepting that the illuminati are real, l believe they are, l also believe that they are not actually top of the tree. Some say its a French family, l can't remember their name but it begins with S. Some say that its Rome. These are the levels above the banks/pharma/oil owners. Theres also people who say its devil worship.

The Freemasons are the bottom of the support pyramid with the Illuminati above them, also the Knights Templar's and the Rosacruxia amongst others.

If it doesn't interest you then don't think about because you will never get to the bottom of it, and if you think youve certain things in place you get all the idiots trying to be clever.

Theres a million things that point to things being so ever day if you think about it, thats if you want to think about !

Too many coincidences just look at what all the POTUS and were they came from, plus our PM's really. Why is the geometry so important ?
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foxinabox Posted on 18/08/2019 14:37
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'Peado rings are about control'.

Of course they are. The thing you get wrong about paedophiles, I suspect, is there's a lot more of them than you think, and it's getting worse due to porn. Not necessarily child-porn, but mainstream porn too.

Now, I can conceive of why you pursue VIP and Muslim porn-rings because it's much more interesting, but it doesn't bring you any nearer to why men are generally not trusted any more to have any unsupervised contact with children.

Not only that, but many men would go out of their way not to have any unsupervised contact with children for fear of being thought of as paedophiles no matter how fleeting that observation may be.

That, I think, is the main problem - a growing division between children and men. That is important to all of us, in a real-life sense, not pursuing VIP's who might or might not be paedophiles.

It's surely time to classify 'paedophilia' as a disease that people have no control over rather like depression. Only that way could you eventually have people seeking treatment for it. I don't know what, other than that, is the answer.

I don't know what to say about the rest of your post, but fine with me if you want to believe all that.
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bnet Posted on 18/08/2019 15:47
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l don't pursue any peado rings, where did you get that from.

also who said l believe all that ?

This is what you get when you share things, i'm not telling anyone anything is true. lt just seems if you don't like something that's being talked about it gets misrepresented as an easy option. Trust me l read loads on this and i've formed opinions, these opinions are mine and l don't need to prove why l believe things. l was asked and l responded without going too deep. The mason thing for instance is not known at the lower levels but the higher you get the more is revealed. So people don't believe what we are pumped, me being one of them. Have you ever met or heard of a honest politician ? well that should be enough to question how and why if the answer is no. Ive just read how the goverment kept the giving up of UK sovereignty in the '70's under Heath away from the public as they say we wouldn't understand it and it would take 30 years for us to catch on. The the nearlly 50 year old document as now been published.

Edited to add, look at what is said about Heath and kids aboard the Morning Cloud and how the German goverment had him in a corner. You don't have to believe it but its a possibility !
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foxinabox Posted on 18/08/2019 16:10
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I take everything you say about trying to display your beliefs on a message board - if people don't believe what you say then they try and twist your words in their own particular way.

I have tried not to do that, but subconsciously I may have done. You do have a greater interest in paedophile rings headed by Muslims or VIP's though, you can't deny that, however much you try.

'Have you ever met or heard of a honest politician?'.

I guess Theresa May would be an honest politician. We've just had to replace her with the most untrustworthy politician you could hope to find, in the sense that it suits our purposes. I don't know what to make of that [;)]
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Unicum Posted on 18/08/2019 17:04
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I think you are running ahead of yourself. If you think, and I'll speak for sabre and he can disagree if he wants, but if you think that he has just written that he thinks the BBC, for example, specifically works for the illuminati. Well, no. I never read it that way.

But at the same time, there are power structures, and people at all levels, buy into them. Don't like the linguistics of 'state'? Okay. A policeman has bought into 'the status quo', 'the system of how we do things', 'the structures of society', 'control'.

We all buy into it. Take out a pension or buy a house and it's the same. We all have a vested interest in order, in the law being applied equally, in things working in a way for our benefit and our neighbours. It's why the common man has a strong sense of justice. And why he gets annoyed by people higher up enforcing justice on us, but breaking it with impunity for themselves.

Go up the levels in a society, why shouldn't vested interests still apply? Irrespective that most people at higher levels are probably decent people. For some the interests are probably more based on keeping things: power, wonga, influence and control. Then factor in all the horrible shiite that people think and do and how they club together, intrigue and cover for each other. What's the mystery?

There's no big 'conspiracy theory' in this.
The football hooli loves his clothes and status. Those at higher levels.... Savile loved his knighthood, dodgy handshakes and was covered for life.

Anyroad, I stand by my thoughts on the Beeb. They're not really interested in incisive, balanced journalism. Their narrowness, I think is mainly born out of the culture that they've created. But I might be wrong. Bilderberg is an interesting one. I mean how is it possible they failed to report on it.....

For 50 fkking years???
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bnet Posted on 18/08/2019 17:25
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well l do deny l have a greater interest in muslim or VIP peado gangs, i'd exercute all of them. Its just that these two groups are more prolific and in peoples minds than the individual animal. If we spoke about Buddy Able from Blaby not many would know about him would they !
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foxinabox Posted on 19/08/2019 12:11
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Sabredunce said 'BBC will question things to a length, they'll criticise a government - as they come and go. But never the state.'

This sounds good, I'll give you that, but it doesn't really mean anything. You try walking up to no 10 sometimes and saying 'Can I see the state? And be quick about it, too, I haven't got all day'.

I am not sure what you mean about the policeman, are you saying it's a good or a bad thing that he buys into all these control functions? I'm assuming that you think it's a good thing, because he wouldn't be much of a policeman otherwise.

'It's why the common man has a strong sense of justice' - surely this applies to everyone rich or poor, it's just that people have their own ideas on what that justice consists of. Justice is fluid when it comes from ordinary people rather than the law. I wouldn't rely on it.

You talk about vested interests and how they apply to the top level in a society - alright, fair enough, but hasn't the whole advance of civilisation been largely how we respond to this?.

There's always going to be selfish people who like power because it gives them the opportunity to be more selfish, whether it is in terms of money, privileges or sexual freedom. To rail against this is largely a cry into the void. You could execute the plutocrats, as Stalin tried, but another bunch of plutocrats come along to take their place.

The rest of us write on message boards, join protest groups, hammer the Beeb who can't do a thing right because they're beset by special interest groups and also the pressing need to make money.

Yesterday morning I got thoroughly annoyed during 'The Papers' when both the presenter (wtf) and both of the main guests were arch-remainers - what that added up to was a ten-minute party political broadcast against the Government without anyone there to supply some balance.

However, I don't blame the Beeb for this, not really, it's just a question of some harrassed producer with the clock ticking who had to find some people prepared to get up on Sunday morning and come along prepared to spout politics for ten minutes. It's just irritating, that's all. Expecting the BBC to come out with some 'incisive, balanced journalism' is a triumph of hope over experience. They do manage it sometimes, that's all we can expect.

Bilderberg? I'm not sure the BBC haven't covered this in as much detail as it's possible to in a room to which no journalists are allowed. I don't think 'The Economist' and the 'New Statesman' have done any better.

Personally, I'm not seriously bothered about Bilderberg. You may be, but that's up to you. Don't forget the press themselves who have created the conditions for Bilderberg to happen, it's an opportunity for 'the great and good' to meet together without suffering the attentions of the press (The press may wail about this, but you try and get in to one of their editorial meetings, you'd get thrown out of there very sharpish).

Either that or it's some kind of elaborate practical joke that the plutocracy play on the rest of us by staging an all singing and all dancing villian.con and casting us as the minions, but I would have my doubts about that as the higher people go in the world the more they seem to lose their sense of humour, if indeed they had any in the first place.

There are surely better ways than meeting up in a hotel to plan the further disintegration of society, which is going on quite well irrespective of anything that Bilderberg might do. Other people might disagree - I would have no problem with that.



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sixthswan Posted on 19/08/2019 13:36
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Try intepreting the mural by Per Krogh, in the Security Council Chamber at the United Nations.

Security Council Resolution 666 will help you to join the dots in how the United States took over oil control in the region, under the guise of humanitarian aid.
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foxinabox Posted on 19/08/2019 14:19
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I hadn't considered Norway to be one of the world's leaders in provoking dissent and disharmony. They give us a marvellous Christmas tree every year. You are going to have to explain that further.

Security Council Resolution 666 was not opposed by the Russians or the Chinese, both of whom would be expected to turn a blind eye to human suffering (that's fair enough), but whose diplomats are quite savvy enough to make a considered view of US oil control and what it means. Again, you might have to explain that further.

Please don't get like Mac. Being too cool for school might suit him, but it doesn't suit you.

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sixthswan Posted on 19/08/2019 14:46
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I've had a long fascination with the imagery of that mural. Can't remember suggesting that Norway has anything to do with it? Regardless of the nationality of the artist.

It has some very interesting imagery though the mural. Of all the artworks in the world; the one that depicts many elements of Revelations and order from chaos - is the one that the Security Council sits under.

This artwork is open to interpretation by all. I see it as a bit dark and creepy. Others will see it as dark into light. What do you think?

Resolution 666 does not stand alone as a document. It references other Resolutions and others stem from it - with an instrinsic link to things such as Oil For Food, using starvation as an instrument of war and controlling oil supplies in and out of Iraq.

Again my intepretation and probably would require too much of an involved discussion for a football forum.

I find the mural and the UN Resolutions very interesting. Especially their potential links to Bible references.

Personally I think religion is hogwash and just sun worship, with some nice and nasty additional prose.

But who knows whether there are forces out there that are trying to drive us toward prophesy?

Not trying to be too cool for school. Just putting it out there. Fine if you want to shoot it down.
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foxinabox Posted on 19/08/2019 15:11
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There was some discussion about whether Trygve Lie, in his role as Secretary-General, was too pushy in his desire to hang the mural in the Council Chamber, also some discussion about how Norway financed it.

I don't know the mural well enough to have an opinion about it, presumably you would have to see it in real life as opposed to on a laptop. I am interested in what you say about it's Christian origins, and that's the first impression I had from reading about the composition of the panels.

This thread is moving further and further away from Jeffrey Epstein, and that's just as I planned it with the Rosicrucians. Oh yes! (Sinister laugh).
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