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foxinabox Posted on 15/04/2019 15:29
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Too little, too late. Here in Folkestone most of the private rent landlords won't take anybody on DHSS. This started as soon as the government began to take away benefits from people, particularly the mentally and physically handicapped, and the shrewder landlords worked out that they wouldn't have enough money to pay their share of the rent.

It didn't matter as long as nobody was earning enough money to qualify for a rent increase while the economy was flatlining. That's now no longer the case, and the landlords have put up the rent by £100-£150 pcm, which is beyond the pale for most people who don't have permanent jobs.

I know landlords who have invented bogus repairs to the fire escape or entrance hall in order to evict whole blocks of people, who then have nowhere to go. The people with children will be looked after by the council, more or less, but young men (and women) are increasingly being forced out of accommodation into the street, where they are vilified.

I look after Brendan, and Dani, and I give them every time I see them enough money, food, drink and drugs to get them through the day, but that's all I can do. To say that they need a job is a triumph of hope over experience. I can't see Dani as a check-out girl in Lidl however much I try. Brendan's numerous convictions for actual or grievous bodily harm would narrow down his prospects for employment somewhat. They're still people, nonetheless, and they won't go away.

Some people are not designed to have a job. That's alright, as far as I'm concerned, as long as there's not too many of them. But if we don't want them begging in the high street, which has enough problems already, then for God's sake give them council flats or housing association flats. I'm in despair at the government policy over this, and any attempt to restrain the private landlords will only make them worse.
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Drew-Peacock Posted on 15/04/2019 15:48
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The situation you describe is a social issue and shouldn't be left to the private sector, as you say a council flat would be ideal.
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sixthswan Posted on 15/04/2019 15:48
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Such a difficult thing to solve, but I'm a great believer in the idea that very few people are unemployable.

Perhaps something like a non-military civilian service scheme is needed?

People may oppose this, because of the concept that it can create people who appear to be the property of the government.

But it could also offer employment, qualifications, self-respect, self-worth, a positive contribution to society and less free time, need or inclination toward nefarious activities.

Unlikely to ever happen though, when the ruling party believes in less state involvement in lives - and prefers to allow some individuals to descend all the way to the bottom.
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hackneyfox Posted on 15/04/2019 16:01
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Very public spirited of you FIAB, shame the government are so mean spirited.
C4 News story last night about the number of kids turning up at school with worn out shoes and hungry before the day starts. They feel excluded before they get out into the big wide world.
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foxinabox Posted on 15/04/2019 16:07
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Here they've invented a job that they call 'Town Sprucer'. This consists of several old men with beards who do no work, other than pick up various pieces of rubbish for a quarter of an hour and then retire to the cafť. I'm not sure what good this does, other than get them out and about for a bit. They've even got a car, which adds to the senselessness of it all.
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Deepcutfox Posted on 15/04/2019 16:13
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Spot on, FIAB. My wife and I do the same with a number of homeless in Windsor. Their life stories are quite hard to listen to and often show that a mixture of bad luck and bad choices can soon produce the spiral that leads to the street.

Windsor and Maidenhead Council are a disgrace and have periodic "street cleansing" operations when they often try to persuade those there to go to god-forsaken hostels in London.

The whole homeless situation across the UK is both tragic and disgraceful and we should all be ashamed that it is tolerated.
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ClaphamFox Posted on 15/04/2019 16:23
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A habitable home is a basic right, especially when children are involved. Its provision for the poorest and most vulnerable should never be left to the vagaries of market forces and the private sector. That's a fundamental mismatch of need vs provision. More and better quality council houses are needed for people on low incomes or vulnerable in other ways. These new laws will drive thousands of private landlords away from the market, so I hope there are plans to massively upscale and upgrade social housing across the country.
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foxinabox Posted on 15/04/2019 16:31
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Thanks for the responses. Deepcut, I'm worried about 'street cleansing' some of which has been going on in the local area, and I am concerned that I haven't seen Brendan or Dani for three weeks. It really shouldn't be like this.
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hackneyfox Posted on 15/04/2019 16:31
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I think you no that isn't going to happen anytime soon Clapham.
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Drew-Peacock Posted on 15/04/2019 17:04
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The problem for some private landlords is there are people renting houses who are just a pain in the rrrse and avoid paying their rent because they can. Hence everyone get tarred with the same brush and peole get lost in the system

One of the biggest users of Bailiffs in the UK are local councils though
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wearthefoxhat Posted on 15/04/2019 17:07
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Think it's been mentioned before but the Fins have got it sussed, big problem we have here is the general public mostly view the homeless as scum and are ignorant to the financial, mental, abuse issues that the majority have suffered even to the point of inflicting it themselves.

Link: Housing for everyone!
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sixthswan Posted on 15/04/2019 17:25
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The resistance to this Finnish example would be that it discourages people to work.

Though it could be tied into a national strategy and local implementation of good quality homes and work that benefits society; for all.

It will never happen in the UK though, because it would mean that government and other organisations would have to accept their part in the failure of homelessness.

Also the state would try to tender such a solution out and at that point it would begin to fail.

The UK government is no longer for all of the people, sadly.

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haardaarss Posted on 15/04/2019 17:45
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Here we go again. Whenever a problem is identified the response is to swing the pendulum the other way so you solve one problem but create another.

So we have private landlords badly misbehaving. But how many, out of all the private landlords that exist? Making it very hard to end tenancies simply sees the landlord losing interest in spending money on maintenance or acquiring further properties to let. As properties become vacant they are sold off.

So tenants will be more secure in their flats - but a swiftly decreasing number will have flats.

You could argue that landlords are making money out of the needs of others, but so are cafe owners and shoe shops. It's called business.

The Finnish model seems to "work" only because the taxpayer has to dip deeper into his/ her own pockets. Which is all well and good until the legions of the bone idle see an easy route to free housing and screw it for those in genuine need.

Just look at tax credits. The genuine claimants are easy targets for a government who increasingly find it impossible to weed out the scammers and lean too heavily on the genuinely vulnerable to try to keep a lid on the welfare budget.

Some people in charge who should know better need to think things through.
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SohoFox Posted on 15/04/2019 18:21
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Foxinabox - Is it really a good idea to admit to supplying homeless people with drugs on a public forum?
See penultimate paragraph of your original post.
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Filbo65 Posted on 15/04/2019 18:35
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Quick straw poll...
Any private landlords on here?
Any prejudices against renting to the needy due to past experience or other reasons?
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foxinabox Posted on 15/04/2019 19:00
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I just want them to have as good a time as possible, in the circumstances. Drugs I supply when I've got them, more usually it's a big bottle of cider, tobacco, food and whatever money I've got.
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bnet Posted on 15/04/2019 19:04
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l am, and l try to pick decent people but fail quite often, looks are deceiving. l've tried to help people who are in difficult situations. Last year l rented a flat to a eastern european couple with a 5 year old. I had already decided to rent the flat to someone else, but they begged me and gave me very good reasons why this flat would help them to get on in life. These pair of cnuts want throwing in the sea, fukced me for £2k, stole the neighbours post and parcels and didn't have any regards for the residents in the other 3 flats. Did the same for 2 your lesbians who couldn't get anyone to rent to them. Nice enough gils but l lost 3 months rent and had to pay the council tax.
The government are now bringing in a stop to you evicting bad tenants by altering the rules reggarding section 21's (eviction notices).

I'm selling of all of mine with the exception of a few that will give me an income as l get older and more decrepit. Its a s h i t game.

On the accommodation point for the down and outs, i'd like to do something. I'm building a few flats but i'd like to incorporate a few small self contained units as temporary accommodation. I've also got an idea for prefab garden rooms that will help people short term. If this works they will fit in terrace house back gardens and be constructed in 2 or 3 hours.
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SohoFox Posted on 15/04/2019 19:09
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Foxinabox - only a piece of advice. But you have admitted to a criminal offence.
Possession of a controlled drug like blow is not normally taken too seriously.
But supplying (even giving away) is a whole different ball game.
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bnet Posted on 15/04/2019 19:11
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if you give the beggers money, people say "they will only spend it on drugs". l say they can do what they want with it. If its late l sometime get them a MacDonalds but thats poison anyway but aleast its warm and almost food.. Its a problen that will always be there but heroin etc wipes them out unfortunately. I think there needs to be small units for them a few miles out of town, so that the ones who turn up have made an effort and it'll spread them around the community where they might be able to integrate, when theres no chance while they hang around city centres.
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Oadlad Posted on 15/04/2019 19:11
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There's nothing wrong with private letting in principle but as in everything which is self or lightly regulated many will take the ****.
When you cut spending on police, benefits, education, prisons, roads, health and affordable housing for an ideology of low taxation there are political and social consequences.
And while this stuff about 'scammers' and the 'bone idle' sort of talk is used it justifies and defends the approach.
In fact about half a billion in benefits are not claimed every year.
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foxinabox Posted on 15/04/2019 19:21
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Soho - they'll have to prove it, though. Advice duly noted.
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SohoFox Posted on 15/04/2019 19:56
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Do you want to amend your original post (take out the drugs reference) and I'll delete my posts?
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SohoFox Posted on 15/04/2019 20:02
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I would sooner suffer shyte interest rates rather than risk renting a gaff to faacking shytebag caants.
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foxinabox Posted on 15/04/2019 20:04
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If the police can be bothered to seek out my ISP then let them. I'm only talking about some weed, which in my mind ought to be legal anyway.

Thanks for the offer, though [smi]



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SohoFox Posted on 15/04/2019 20:08
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OK fair enough.
I can only advise.
Probably me being ultra cautious.
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DagenhamFox Posted on 15/04/2019 20:17
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Iím just going into the game. Iím almost finished renovating a house into a 4 double en-suite HMO.

I expect Iíll get a bit of grief but Iím going to do it all through a letting agent which I hope will take away some of the hassle.
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SohoFox Posted on 15/04/2019 20:27
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You will need a licence from your Local Authority.
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DagenhamFox Posted on 15/04/2019 20:55
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I know Soho thanks though. Thatís pretty much the next thing I have to do.
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wearthefoxhat Posted on 15/04/2019 20:58
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We've got the girlfriends niece lodging as her mum is incapable of looking after a plastic plant, suggesting she worked the streets to pay her way made them both howl with laughter as you can imagine [:D]

G if the old bill took any notice of this message board half of bentleys would be banged up [rle]
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Surffers Posted on 15/04/2019 21:02
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It's easy to exploit the rental market because of the demand based on no control of population growth,FOM is making the poor homeless.
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SohoFox Posted on 15/04/2019 21:02
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That could be fun.
I'd love to visit - if only to rip the piisss.
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billsballbag Posted on 15/04/2019 21:18
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The growing number of people living on the streets should shame every one of us.
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SohoFox Posted on 15/04/2019 21:28
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Why should I feel shame when I pass at least 20 dossers out of their heads on Spice on the way from New Walk to the San Carlo on a Satdi night?
Why is it my fault?
I pay tax on my pension and investments as demanded.
I pay VAT on everything I buy that is Vatable.
And I pay Council Tax on my gaff in Leicester.
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