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mac_ Posted on 09/02/2019 12:56
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Whatís gone on there then?

Anyone know?
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bnet Posted on 09/02/2019 14:10
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Just looked it up for you. Here.


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henry56 Posted on 09/02/2019 15:41
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Anyone who takes the grubby little fraud Waxy Lemon seriously needs to have a word with themselves.
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bnet Posted on 09/02/2019 16:42
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why ?
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homes Posted on 10/02/2019 10:28
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23rd Feb?
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mac_ Posted on 10/02/2019 20:25
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ďCannibals.....Ē
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hand_of_jod Posted on 10/02/2019 20:31
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People like Henry are the problem.

Have your opinions about Tommy, Henry, but don't let that cloud your opinion about establishments like the BBC being plain wrong eh ?
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wearthefoxhat Posted on 10/02/2019 20:40
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W'appen?
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Unicum Posted on 10/02/2019 22:13
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Well it's one opinion Henry.

Here's another: he's talking about something that I have long suspected. Something, along similar lines, which Orwell thought was a fact also. (certainly in the way the old left viewed things)

Of course, we might all be absolutely wrong.
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Mustapha_Teabreak Posted on 10/02/2019 22:49
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The BBC is Schrodingers TV channel, being both right and left wing biased at the same time.

The left think it's run by the old etonian brigade who want to keep the status quo and look after their own.

The right think it's a bunch of left wing luvvies out to force political correctness down everybody's throats.

i suspect whichever side one takes is down to which fits one's own confirmation bias.
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bnet Posted on 10/02/2019 23:00
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So you think everyone as confirmation bias then !

l think thats saying that everyone is stupid.
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Mustapha_Teabreak Posted on 11/02/2019 00:13
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I'm saying how can the BBC be both left wing and right wing biased at the same time, it's not possible?

Everybody does have confirmation bias, including me, it's just that sometimes we are aware of it and can overcome it, and sometimes we can't.


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richardvanles Posted on 11/02/2019 01:23
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Can't any of you compute anything without it being left or right? The BBC is the mouth piece of the establishment. If the statue quo of the establishment is threatened the BBC come out in force or hide the news. Regardless as to whether it's Corbyn or Robinson. It's got nothing to do with left or right and all to do with dumbing down folk like you and it's working by the look of things. If only the champions of the 'left and right' realised this the world could be our lobster.
Loads of huge demos going on all across Europe over the week end. Didn't see much on the BBC news about it...
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Unicum Posted on 11/02/2019 05:48
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There you go again RVL. Teabreak clrarly thinks himself superior to many on here, but he hasn't even got his head out of the left/right box.
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Surffers Posted on 11/02/2019 06:56
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Robinson says what most people think but dare not say so the majority of people are infact right wing according to Teabag.

Tommy has zero to gain for standing by his believes , the guy is powerless to change the wrongs in society he's been used by the establishment as a fall guy who is to blame for crap society they engineered so anyone who speaks out is a far right racist not a concerned citizen .
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Mistryman Posted on 11/02/2019 08:23
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Tommy Robinson - "a fall guy".

You'll find in most instances, he's the victim of his own idiocy.
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bnet Posted on 11/02/2019 08:28
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RVL [^]
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northleicsblue Posted on 11/02/2019 08:34
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Do you think he took the name Tom Robinson because he was a big fan of the left wing gay icon Tom Robinson?
Power in the Darkness and all that?
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mac_ Posted on 11/02/2019 13:49
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Anyone any idea if any main stream journalists are talking about this story?
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sixthswan Posted on 11/02/2019 15:29
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Correct me if I'm wrong.

Panorama were trying to fix Yaxley-Lennon up.

Yaxley-Lennon stitched Panorama up.

In the end dishonesty, manipulation, agenda-driven bias and a bit of stupidity have been exposed.

On both sides.
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mac_ Posted on 11/02/2019 15:44
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ďdishonesty, manipulation, agenda-driven biasĒ

By the BBC, thatís ok then.

Glad to see my licence money is being used correctly.
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Mustapha_Teabreak Posted on 11/02/2019 15:50
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unicum, my point is based on what i see on social media, right wingers claiming it's baised against them, and left wingers saying it's biased against them.
none of that has anything to do with TR, but it does explain why his supporters think it's biased if it makes him look bad, just like the lefties think john humphries is a knob when he interrupts 'their politicians' and makes them look silly.

bias exists everywhere not the least of which in ourselves and it colours our view of the world and of the external bias we perceive in others towards us.


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sixthswan Posted on 11/02/2019 16:43
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Objectivity is journalism is utterly impossible. Anything with an editorial and analytical presence has to be subjective.

Fairness and accuracy should be possible though.

Has the Yaxley-Lennon programme been aired yet? If not, then it is impossible to comment on its production.
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Adumass Posted on 11/02/2019 16:49
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i've seen the video where he plays two clips back to sweeney.

the first, sweeney is saying that newsnight having a white working class male as a guest is so rare that he had to go and see it for himself. he compares the rarity to meeting a cannibal. this strikes me as correct - where is the controversy? it IS rare having a white working class guest on newsnight. sweeney seems to be on the same side of this argument as TR himself, about lack of representation on newsnight / bbc.

(by the way, sweeney sounds like he's had a few...he can't even say Amazon correctly, he stumbles over "amazonia"...)

second clip sweeney is stating that the labour party no longer represents working class people, that the party is full of middle class / educated accents and not "working class" accents (i.e. white male).

this lack of representation in the labour party for their traditional core support is something i've read on here many times, so again, where is the controversy?

so far it looks like tommy is doing to sweeney what he complains of himself, having his words twisted out of context. fair enough i suppose, but i can't see this being reported on MSN as a big news item.

i don't know if there is more to come, and will stay my judgement until the 23rd.
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sixthswan Posted on 11/02/2019 17:00
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This is the other side of the coin.

Yaxley-Lennon is just a small-time football hooligan, with a string of convictions for violent and non-violent offences.

Not big news if he's been stitched up by journalists. Good.

The day Yaxley-Lennon becomes a relevant feature on the news; will be a sad day indeed.
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mac_ Posted on 11/02/2019 17:08
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You could be right Adam.

I donít know what else heís got on them, but he seems happy as a sandboy.

Do you think the MSM might have something to say, quite quickly if it was the other way round?

Oh and you canít be serious when you think the geezer thinks meeting a white working class male is akin to meeting some long lost tribe or an alien from out of space. Kinell.
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mac_ Posted on 11/02/2019 17:18
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Itís a sad day then me old comrade.
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sixthswan Posted on 11/02/2019 17:24
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Newsnight is primarily an analysis and interview platform about MPs and political figures.

Not many of these are "working-class" as in the definition of that class as being manual labour.

Of course "working-class" really means that you have to graft for a living, rather than sit on privilege, inherited power or a huge allowance/inheritance.

You're working class if you're in an office, rushing around in the company car, own a business that takes up most of your time etc.

It's most of us...the 94%.
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mac_ Posted on 11/02/2019 17:28
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Is he talking about Danny Dyer?
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Adumass Posted on 11/02/2019 18:00
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given the context, then yes - meeting a working class white guest on newsnight IS akin to meeting a cannibal from amazonia. at least it was when i used to watch it. not watched regularly for about 18 months now.

and yes, i can see msm doing to him whats he's doing to them. no issue there as far as i'm concerned. doesn't make it newsworthy either way, but yes i agree.
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bnet Posted on 11/02/2019 18:05
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Just a thought, do cannibals actually live in the Amazon forest? thought it was Africa and Borneo.
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henry56 Posted on 11/02/2019 19:27
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Ive seen the video in question.The grubby little thug Waxy Lemon or whetever his current alias is ,is shouting and intimidating folks in their workplace in his usual aggressive style. Sadly there are a few deluded idiots who are stupid enough to throw money at the twerp to allow him to maintain his pointless life in some luxury . Heís a parasite of the worst kind, feeding off the insecurity and prejudices of the most vulnerable , bigoted and intellectually challenged . No doubt Surrfers is a fan. Hes not the messiah just a convictrd fraudster and nasty violent thug. Okay ? Anyone in any doubt what I think about Waxy ?
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Unicum Posted on 11/02/2019 19:41
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Nah, no doubt Henry.

That parasite line probably fits to the majority who make a living 'informing' and 'governing', but I accept that you are probably less intellectually-challenged than most of us.
The worst kind, I think, aren't your Tommy's or your Dianne Abbots, but them what give us things like the Iraq war. But again, I imagine that I'm just another mug for thinking this.
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henry56 Posted on 11/02/2019 19:47
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We can agree on that . You can oppose the warmongers and still think Waxy is a different kind of sponger
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bnet Posted on 11/02/2019 20:12
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You don't like him then Henry.
He as practically a million followers on his website so he obviously talks for some of the population and his high profile means he as a lot of influence.
You seem to be knee deep in MT favourite term "confirmation bias".
Just a point, if people like him didn't highlight stuff that the MSM don't, would this be a better way ?
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henry56 Posted on 11/02/2019 20:17
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Millions voted for Hitler . Doesnt make him right . Whatís he highlighted incidentally that everyone didnt know already ?
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bnet Posted on 11/02/2019 20:24
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Quite a lot.

Grooming gangs.

That 15 year old who was treated absolutely disgustingly by the press and government.

The 3 boys murdered in London.

The women from Nottingham being held as a political prisoner by our goverment.

I suppose theres loads more if l was to look it up. I'm sure you could find more if you really wanted too.

I'm not here to defend him but i'm interested to know what one thing you hate most about him.

I've never seen anything that he could be genuinly called racist for.
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Unicum Posted on 11/02/2019 20:36
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Filbert Tyler: "What cover up?"

In response to a TR thread on here. First time FT heard about it was on here via TR.

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henry56 Posted on 11/02/2019 20:39
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Name one child abuser he exposed ? If he cared about vulnerablle kids heíd donate to homeless charities like Doorway or work ir volunteer in child protection . He only ď reports ď what others have exposed and people send him money . His antics outside courtrooms risk the work of those who actually arrest and charge these swines
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Unicum Posted on 11/02/2019 20:55
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Sorry Henry, but I'll disagree with that last line. There were quite a few outside the court when he was arrested. Many of the others were loud and shouting at the culprits as they arrived for sentencing. Others were filming it and live streaming it.

TR was mute in comparison, but only he got knicked.
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henry56 Posted on 11/02/2019 20:59
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Mmm . If true that is clearly wtong , but how do you know ? Sounds like the typical victim card from our Waxy
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bnet Posted on 11/02/2019 20:59
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His antics outside court where legal and he did not jeopardise one single case. He was arrested on trumped up charges and proved this. What he reported was already in the press but the BBC didn't get anyone dumped in prison even though that's what he quoted.

See this is what is annoying, if you don't like his politics (even though l guess you don't really know what they are) you build up loads of part truths and make them into something else.

You haven't called him racist as far as l know, as most uninformed do but thats how you would like to paint him i'd hazzard a guess.
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Adumass Posted on 11/02/2019 21:00
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Which time Unicum?
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Unicum Posted on 11/02/2019 21:05
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2nd. The biggy.

Go and find the clips for yourself. I can't remember who filmed it, but it was out there. Watched by a few on here.
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Adumass Posted on 11/02/2019 21:11
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Iíve seen it. My opinion is that he is an idiot being there, live streaming, that closer to the courthouse, given he was on a suspended sentence for an identical offence.

But we've done this argument before, and I don't think people's opinions of him will change by doing it again 👍
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Unicum Posted on 11/02/2019 21:17
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I know.

But still, all those others filming and live streaming and screaming and shouting. No 1st caution, nothing.
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bnet Posted on 11/02/2019 21:29
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this might interest you

Link: tr
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Adumass Posted on 11/02/2019 21:40
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Kerching... 💰

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bnet Posted on 11/02/2019 21:42
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I see that, but everyone needs funding if they are going to make a difference.
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mac_ Posted on 11/02/2019 22:43
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To be honest, I think itíll be summat about expenses.

No one will give a fíck, and weíll all carry on paying our licence.
Well done auntie beeb.
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fowlpenlooney Posted on 11/02/2019 23:28
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Any one who takes the English establishment on and gets away with any kind of result deserves a bit of credit ,
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richardvanles Posted on 12/02/2019 00:11
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He claims to be a journalist but he's an agenda journalist, his agenda it to get maximum coverage to Muslim grooming gangs. That makes him a racist in my view.
He's never exposed anything or anyone. All he has done is repeat what others have exposed. Anyone would like to give me an example of his exposures and I will guarantee to you here and now I will be able to provide a link to the same story prior to the date he "exposed" it. I reckon he'd crawl over 20 white Christian grooming gangs to "expose" the one Muslim grooming gang. His agenda is the issue as far as I'm concerned.
He's not the brightest, claiming to be a Zionist (I've heard him claim this on at least two occasions) yet admitted on one of those occasions he didnt know what a Zionist was.
That said, he's gained popularity from the masses and is prepared to take on the establishment and claims that he has some real damaging info that will show how the media circus works. Regardless of my personal thoughts of him I hope against hope that this is the case.
On the other side, on the same day we have the Daily Hail running a story about dangerous Corbyn, that he can't tell the difference between Heinz beans and Tesco own brand beans and discussed 20 years about nationalising the banks (as if that's a bad thing)
We've the Socialist workers party trying to whip up a counter demo on the 23rd in Manchester (completely missing the point) which doesn't surprise me as they've been missing the point for the last 40 years and filling their nappies whenever things have got real. Made up of school teachers, (those that can, do. Those that can't, teach) the left screaming about the media Hatchet job on Corbyn. The right screaming about the hatchet job on Tommy Tuna.
Anyone who is happy for the BBC to false report, knowingly make up stories, exaggerate, imply and be anything but impartial on any of those two purely based on their personal opinion on them or their politics is either as thick as pig xxxx or is a fascist of the worse kind. At least the Nazis dressed up for the part.
If you have a television you are legally bound to give money to the BBC and face imprisonment for failing to pay. If they, or any of their employees are knowingly doing anything mentioned above they should be sacked and imprisoned for their actions.
The offers still their btw, name one thing Tommy Tunas exposed. (Let's hope screwing over the BBC is his first real expose)
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Unicum Posted on 12/02/2019 06:53
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Just to add, are we now saying that the only person who can tell the world about the uncovering of a crime is the detective who solved it?

If yes, then we may as well close down all information outlets, news agencies...

Also, when it comes to my understanding the world, RVL has played his part in that with things that he's shared over the years. I'm grateful for it, Certainly I was never going to find it on the BBC. But I'm assuming that he didn't do the original uncovering.

All in all, this 'he hasn't uncovered anything', is a red herring. I'm surprised RVL is falling for it. It's not about who uncovers what. It's about sharing the truth. No matter how uncomfortable it is.

More importantly, it's about sharing the truth when it's been covered up and hardly anyone else is bothering.
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bnet Posted on 12/02/2019 07:21
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I see what you are saying RVL and l think Unicum answers you very well.
On the "owning a tv" point, we are not legally bound to pay this licence fee, we volunteer through mostly being tricked into enterring a contract more often than not unknowingly, same as paying tax and fines for this that and the other. Some know our rights but have to balance things out regarding fighting for whats right and being bothered, knowing that the full power of the establishment will be used against you.
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Unicum Posted on 12/02/2019 07:22
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Just to be clear, perhaps people get lost in the language. "Uncovering", for me, the way it pans out, usually is a collective activity that often takes years. A bit shared here and there.

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bnet Posted on 12/02/2019 07:27
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I don't think l would be aware of the Pakistani grooming gangs if it wasn't for TR, so he is exposing stuff to some at least. How many others can say they learnt about tese animals from other sources ?

l wouldn't be aware of the other things mentioned either so for me and hundres of thousands of others he as exposed them.
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henry56 Posted on 12/02/2019 08:03
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Bnet . There was an award winning BBC series about exactly that !! Please send me money
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bnet Posted on 12/02/2019 08:17
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was there ? l don't watch that much telly but do you have a link as l doubt very much it would be honest.
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saintfox Posted on 12/02/2019 08:21
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Problem of the BBC is that the most informative programs pander to the RW. You watch the news the coverage of Brexit is appalling. There are so many problems being caused by this but so little information is correctly given.
You watch things like Marr and he never asks the pressing questions, it's left to radio shows like LBC to actually make Farage squirm, when May should be being battered for her complete uselessness.
The political programs are heavily RW. Diane Abbott, yes she makes some awful awful mistakes but when she was on Question Time the other day the interruptions she faced (statistically so much worse than any other guest) plus the fact that the new host Fiona Bruce said several complete non-truths at her. No wonder a letter from a cross party Westminster group was sent to the BBC complaining of her treatment.
The only LW part of the BBC are people like Lineker who do it on their own twitter feed.

The problem of people like TR is he has an agenda. He is heavily against Islam. Some of the stuff e says about Islam is again completely false but if you say a false over and over again sadly it gets believed. To follow on the point earlier, over 90% of child groomers in the UK are white but that doesn't fit his agenda does it.


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bnet Posted on 12/02/2019 08:27
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Saitfox, what as he said about Islam that is false ?

90% of grooming gangs are not white, that is complete nonsense even with the distiorted truth that MSM produce most people know where the biggset problem is.

It always looks like i'm defending TR but i'm just correcting lies for the sake of honesty.
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richardvanles Posted on 12/02/2019 08:28
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Bnet, of course you are right regarding contracts we sign up to etc. Some years back I spent a bit of time reading up on the freeman movement. Weighing it up, the lengths you have to go to to try and take back control it's just not worth it. Would send any normal person round the twist. In fact didn't John Harris top himself in the end.
I guess it's really about the term used. Exposing Muslim grooming gangs or passing on info to a wider audience. He hasn't exposed anyone or anything. Not sure he needed to be outside the courts that particular day live on Facebook. What gain was to be had? The gang had been caught, charged and were going through the criminal justice system. Enquiries into any cover ups had been called for long before he threw his hat in the ring. I just think he's a bit of a chancer and a bit of a racist.
That said, the speed in which he was locked up etc etc has sinister overtones for me and we saw what the law can get away with when those 3 fracking protesters were jailed a few months later. (If you don't know the facts on that just google it and the judges links to the actual company that they were protesting about)
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richardvanles Posted on 12/02/2019 08:41
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Saintfox is talking about groomers, lone wolfs, you're talking about grooming gangs Bnet.
Either way I don't know if the numbers are true.
Here in Coventry we've had two grooming gangs exposed and jailed in the past 12 months. Both would be classed as white Christian grooming gangs in Tommys book.
Just saying.
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saintfox Posted on 12/02/2019 08:46
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"Islam is not a religion of peace. Islam is fascist and it's violent and we've had enough! They're chopping our soldiers' heads off. This is Islam. That's what we've seen today. They've cut off one of our army's heads off on the streets of London. Our next generation are being taught through schools that Islam is a religion of peace. It's not. It never has been. What you saw today is Islam. Everyone's had enough. There has to be a reaction, for the government to listen, for the police to listen, to understand how angry this British public are."
Perhaps his most famous quote that is completely anti-Islam.
He calls out an entire religion. Islam's not fascist. He picks on a few quotes from the Quran which are very extreme and then decides to tarnish all Muslims with the same brush.
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saintfox Posted on 12/02/2019 08:49
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Yes Richard, sorry subtle distinction.
Individuals who groom children most commonly over the internet are about 80-90% white, gangs however are about 80-90% Asian

(please note these are very basic %s on me quickly skim reading about 4 different reports)
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henry56 Posted on 12/02/2019 08:50
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It was called Ď4 girlsí and pulled no punches about Rochdale grooming gangs I can assure you . The social worker who risked her job andher life to expose them is the real hero not the self publicising little twerp Lemon making money out of the misery of abused children
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John Harris killed himself, l only found that out a couple of weeks ago. I watched a few videos about hm 8 to 10 years ago and forgot about him. When l heard he was dead l watched some of his newer stuff and its very interesting, well worth alook, particular the history videos.

As for exposing rapists etc, would it be more appropriate to say he as made millions aware of these animals?
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bnet Posted on 12/02/2019 09:22
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Saintfox, he doesn't call out the entire Islamic community, but the point he makes and so does Douglas Murray is that the Islamic community don't come out strongly enough regarding these sub-humans. It makes then appear complacent, even though they on the whole are not. The normal people of this faith, much like in general society don't want to put their heads above the parapette in case they get a reaction from the fanatics, which is understandable.

Edited to say, Thanks Henry, i'll have a butchers later. Don't you think hes helping these poor girls by highlighting their plight ? l don't see him doing it for financial reasons as you suggest, this as been thrown at it by press lies and hes defended that allegation.
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richardvanles Posted on 12/02/2019 10:05
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See Bnet, this is where I have a problem. Why should Muslims be coming out and speaking out about what these abusers are doing? They have nothing to be ashamed about or apologise for. Same as I don't expect Christian's to be coming out in droves whenever a priest or vicar is caught with his hands down an alter boys trousers. Or all tax payers speaking out when we've sold another load of arms to the Saudies or dropped another bomb on some third world country.
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richardvanles Posted on 12/02/2019 10:53
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A couple of points aimed at Bnet and Unicum.
Not having a pop but...
He was joint leader of the BFP who's mission statement was to oppose the islamification of the West, that's pretty much against Muslims in general.
If you were so concerned about Muslim grooming gangs and the cover ups by the establishment why were you not jumping up and down about this way back in 2012 when are very own NSPCC were raising concerns about grooming gang cover ups due to the ethnicity of the said gangs?
That's the NSPCC way back in 2012.
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bnet Posted on 12/02/2019 11:52
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RVL, l don't think being anti-islamisation of the west is against Muslims. I would rather live amongst people l grew up with who have stuff in common, than be an alien in my own area. l genuinly have freinds from all ethnic background (i'm not a racist because l have a black friend ah ah). l also think that if you move to another country, you should integrate but not lose your own identity, like the Irish do. Why ome to a foreign country and try and make it the same as the one you flead ?Theres too many coming in for this to work as they move in and colonise areas and stay put. The europeans immigrants integrate a lot more. By not integrated at all some become insular and that breeds divides. Theres just too much to cope with, how can any country add 10% more people to the National Health service in ten years and expect it to ruction the same. The Highfields was once full of Poles, Irish, West Indians and Indians along with English all these intergrated with each other, the Muslims don't so much because of the numbers. From these colonies comes most of the problems and a independent state almost forms, theres just too many coming in too quickly.

We have lots of bad things going on and by saying the Christians don't lynch the pervert priests is another wrong equal to these Pakistani grooming peadophile rape gangs but its no a reason to stop chasing these animals down. I believe theres a link between the Catholic church rapists and the Muslim rapist, not direct but by the people who allow it to go unpunished. Theres a game in this somewhere because they are saying the illuminati are said to do exactly the same as these two. They say Esther Ransons child line was set up as a gatekeeper, l don't know if its true, l believe all this goes to the top. Look at Edward Heath, Cyril Smith and Thatchell that freak.

As l said, though it doesn't appear that way, i'm not here to defend TR.
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sixthswan Posted on 12/02/2019 12:34
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A few people have hit the nail on the head in this thread.

Most grooming by paedophiles in the UK, is by white British scumbags. Gangs or individuals is irrelevant.

So why does Yaxley-Lennon only target Muslim perpetrators?

Also why are people supporting him appearing at courts and potentially allowing paedophiles to walk free - due to an unfair trial?

Why also was Yaxley-Lennon so supportive of Richard Price (EDL), who was convicted on child pornography charges.

Yaxley-Lennon is basically a melodramatic snowflake, who plays the victim and has learned how to convince the vulnerable; that he is a man of the people.

His pretend born again charade. The underdog fantasy of the geezer who was a bit of a character in the past; but is now maturing into a political entity. FFS. Grow up people.

He is obviously racist, has been involved in racist organisations most of his life and is a thug.

By the way he was on Newsnight, that place where white working class people aren't welcome. The day after Darren Osborne had ploughed his van into innocent people outside a mosque.

Osborne had become indoctrinated and obsessed about Muslims within a month of reading Yaxley-Lennon material and watching his cartoons on social media.

Why does Yaxley-Lennon only focus on Muslims?
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TheAddersFox Posted on 12/02/2019 12:39
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Until I hear him say anything racist then Iím willing to believe he isnít.
Looks like people got to much time in there hands here trying to play the race card again
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bnet Posted on 12/02/2019 12:51
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See this is why l get called a TR fanboy [:P] Sixswans comes on here and tells bare faced lies to fit his argument.


Most grooming by paedophiles in the UK, is by white British scumbags.

Not true.



"He is obviously racist, has been involved in racist organisations most of his life and is a thug."

Show evidence of this, as many others have been ask too and never been able to or even tried. There is none, so thats a lie Sixswans.


Most grooming by paedophiles in the UK, is by white British scumbags. Gangs or individuals is irrelevant.

This is another lie, so this statement knocks your next one out as well. Prove me wrong please. Lie 2 .and 3.

Not got time to pull you uo on the rest of your lies as ive got work to do.

Loved to see you back any of this garbage up. l'll come back to the rest.
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sixthswan Posted on 12/02/2019 13:08
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Mo Farah, CBE. Ten World and Olympic gold medals for Great Britain.

"Mo Farah, the first time I heard Mo Farah come out he said he's made to feel like an alien. No mo, it's because the people from your home country Somalia are backward barbarians!"

and...

Sadiq Khan. Mayor of London. Born in London

"His country, his capital. It's not your country or your capital. You're part of an invasion into our country Sadiq."

Do you live in a bubble? Wake up...
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sixthswan Posted on 12/02/2019 13:19
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Chief Crown Prosecutor for the CPS:

"Yes Pakistani men are disproportionately involved in grooming gangs and this particular model of abuse. And no that is not a racist statement. Neither is it racist to say that when it comes to wider child abuse nearly 90 per cent of those convicted and on the sex offender register are white men."

To follow up on this claim, the CPS were asked to provide extra data (2015/16).

85% White
3% Black
4% Asian
8% Others (ethnicity unknown)
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eastlondonfox Posted on 12/02/2019 13:22
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Yaxley Lennon is endorsed by the KKK says it all really.
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mac_ Posted on 12/02/2019 14:08
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The original post was about exposing the BBC.

No surprise itís turned in to a racism witch hunt.
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ArleseyFoxile Posted on 12/02/2019 14:34
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It isn't though is it?

"Our Tommy and the BBC" is the title of the thread.

And it's hardly a witch hunt. You don't have to go far to find evidence of "Our Tommy" being racist or violent or getting convicted for breaking laws. It's all over the place.

What's wrong with the BBC though?

Plenty of content aimed at a huge slice of the population.

I enjoy it. Watched a couple of Brian Cox documentaries yesterday about how life evolved.

Listened to Five Live in the car at lunch. Maybe catch a couple of match commentaries on a Saturday. Listened to Danny Baker and Fighting Talk on a Saturday morning. Have some good comedy from time-to-time.

Pay my licence fee. I'm happy with it.

I don't like everything on there or agree with every viewpoint given but then who does? And I would sack Robbie Savage given half the chance but I'm guessing I'm not alone in that.

If it makes you that angry don't pay the licence fee and don't watch the content
or listen to it. Simples.
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Unicum Posted on 12/02/2019 15:23
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RVL.

I know that you are not having a pop.
In all honesty, he may well be biased. We all have to like/dislike something. Like I dislike Islam. Personally, I don't think it matters. Even me and you 'specialise' on things that get our goat.

But just playing Devil's advocate, and throwing it back at you....
As you have some sympathy for David Irving.
Do you think he has a personal dislike of Jews?
I'd say yes.
Do you believe that he is lying when he says that he never read Mein Kampf?
Don't know about you, but I am sure he's lying.
Do you think he has something to offer on the understanding of Hitler?
I think both of us would say yes.
Do you think that he has been unfairly treated by the UK authorities?
I imagine that is another yes.
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Adumass Posted on 12/02/2019 15:24
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now THAT is how to take a thread off course [:D]
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Unicum Posted on 12/02/2019 15:27
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'it's turned into a racism witch hunt.'

Yep. As usual. More interested in getting stuck back in the tram lines and flinging labels at each other. It's why reading folk like the gossipy Hackney and the snowflake Mustapha and Filbert is such a total waste of time. *was that enough labels thrown to join the gang? [:D]
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fowlpenlooney Posted on 12/02/2019 18:10
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just as a matter of interest ,when ever these arguments break out again(as they inevitably will)can it be a rule that posters put their occupation at the end of the message EG I think Tommy is very brave to do what he does ,Fowlpenlooney Stone Hand ,(second class stonemason).
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TheAddersFox Posted on 12/02/2019 18:40
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i only scanned through this and wouldn't waste my time reading for more that a couple of minutes but people saying most Paedos are white British, that don't take much working out surely as about 85% of the uk population is white
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astleyfox Posted on 12/02/2019 20:25
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Sixthswan, I think that the whole Muslim debate must be quite difficult for socialists like you. The undeniable facts, such as Islamic predjudice toward non believers, blatant mysogyny, medieaval practices and the primitive savagery taught by its texts, and carried out by many in its homelands and beyond, fly in the face of everything you believe. Despite this, you must defend their cultural right to follow this cult, and deny the fact that it has no place in a western democracy.
Decisions, decisions!
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bnet Posted on 12/02/2019 20:59
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You and every honest person knows dam well them figures are nonsense.

As for calling someone a racist because it fits your scewed political opinion and not backing it up is seriously wrong. Is it slander or libel ?

Kid yourself but don't load your untruths on others.
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Walthamstowblue Posted on 12/02/2019 21:15
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A few years back when the EDL first came to Leicester,whilst walking into town to join the counter demo, me & a few mates bumped into Tommy & a handful of his fans.
For some reason, both him & his cronies assumed my mates were Muslim & started to hurl a stream of racist & threatening abuse our way.

Unfortunately for him & the knuckledraggers alongside, those Sikh blokes could handle themselves, as they soon found out.

So from my perspective, having heard the bile coming from his mouth, there really is no doubt that he is , & always has been a full on racist.
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ArleseyFoxile Posted on 12/02/2019 21:22
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Just watched another Brian Cox documentary with my 10 year old son about Darwin's theory of evolution and how mutations in our DNA have shaped what we and other species have become over millions/billions of years.

Brilliant television from the BBC. On demand.

It really is an excellent resource for entertainment and education.
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bnet Posted on 12/02/2019 21:26
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not doubting anything you're saying, but did you actually hear TR say abusive racist things? It doesn't seem in keeping as much as some would like it to be true, l can understand others around him might as the EDL was like that. I undersand thats why he left so he says. What ever you say l will accept as l wasn't there, obviously, but it doesn't fit really.

You state he was always a full on racist, so you heard or saw him being racist prior then ?
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mac_ Posted on 12/02/2019 22:16
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Anyway back to the point.

At least we know why Sweeney was slurring.

Heíd just spunked £200 of your nanís license fee, showing off, buying drinks.

Oh well, heís been exposed by a nazi, it matters not.
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forfoxsake77 Posted on 13/02/2019 13:09
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Tommy being racist

Link: He describes a taxi as a 'little p*** that drives
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forfoxsake77 Posted on 13/02/2019 22:03
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No comment from the people asking when heís ever been racist.

Odd that.
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forfoxsake77 Posted on 13/02/2019 22:03
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No comment from the people asking when heís ever been racist.

Odd that.
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mac_ Posted on 13/02/2019 22:30
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Bit of a strange round mind.

Double gin and champagne, is that a thing?

Iím going to have that next time bnet offers me a drink.
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wearthefoxhat Posted on 13/02/2019 23:01
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Free your mind then the rest will follow.
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bnet Posted on 13/02/2019 23:43
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ffs77 if you haven't said similar while drunk, then you're a liar.


He says Paki, in the same way we say Frog. Is it really racist, how did the shortened word for a country become offensive ? My family are Paddies and Taffistani's is that offensive ?

Fancy a drink Mac ?
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jabbaranks Posted on 14/02/2019 09:04
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With the very hugest of respect bnet, you're not best placed to deem whether the term 'paki' is offensive as you're highly unlikely to ever be called it.

If the question 'Does the term Paki offend you?' was pitched to 100 Asian folk on Family Fortunes, I'd have a small wager on the top answer being 'yes'.

And no, I've never used the term. It'd make me look like a massive bigoted cnut if i did.

At least we've put the 'Has Our Tommy ever said anything racist' debate to bed. Let's move on eh?
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Club_B00k_Crutchless Posted on 14/02/2019 09:20
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Bnet with the classic only shortening a country line, speaking from his own white perspective.

I'm waiting for the fake offended by being called a Brit next.
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mac_ Posted on 14/02/2019 09:35
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If yer white, yer racist. Fact.

Anyway, everyone happy with BBC expenses?
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sydrock Posted on 14/02/2019 09:47
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Go on then Mac, I'll help you limp over the line!
Robinson and bnet cannot see beyond the end of their noses, sad!
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sydrock Posted on 14/02/2019 09:48
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Congratulations Mac.
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Adumass Posted on 14/02/2019 09:55
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not happy mac, no. but can anyone say they are surprised by it? media luvvies taking the p'ss on expenses is hardly watergate is it.
lets see what else he has.



p.s. i love the timing (on here). the question can anyone prove he's a racist followed by a posters first hand account of him being racist and then followed by a video of him being racist.
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sixthswan Posted on 14/02/2019 10:06
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Because he is racist.
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What can't l see Syd, please enlighten me.

If that's makes someone racist then i'd say that theres 60million plus racists in the UK minimum. The ones who deny this in my book are liars.

I'm obviously a racist according to this thread but l can assure you that i'm not. Lefty t w a ts are allways calling anyone racist when you don't like what someone says and can't pull up any argument.

In my life l would say that the middle class are many times more racist than the working class. You can see the difference on here, lefties are predominantly telling everyone else how bad they are, and correcting the rest morally when they really have no grounds. Hypocrites and liars mostly.
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Mistryman Posted on 14/02/2019 12:42
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Bnet: "He says Paki, in the same way we say Frog. Is it really racist, how did the shortened word for a country become offensive ? My family are Paddies and Taffistani's is that offensive ?"

How did the shortened word for a country become offensive?

Particularly with "P*ki", it's to do with the venom that it would have been said with back in the 60's & 70s to ethnic minorities, alongside the treatment dished out to them.

Evidently some here conveniently choose to forget such incidents ever happened, & then walk around the with a '?' above their head wondering why it's still deemed offensive.

Update on this too - I've heard it mentioned more times in the last 3 years, than in the previous 25. Some people have certainly felt empowered to use it again.
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bnet Posted on 14/02/2019 12:57
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l accept that Mistryman, but it shouldn't be offensive unless you are ashamed of your ethic background. The Pakistanis should claim the word Paki back not use it as an insult. They're using it to claim offence. The word XXXXXX was claimed back, l agree both words should not be used but its not like murdering someone but it is treated almost as bad. Theres degrees, l hate racists like the rest of us but get the balance right, everything that you don't agree with isn't racists.
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ArleseyFoxile Posted on 14/02/2019 13:01
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Question for you Bnet.

What is the definition of racism to you?

Here's what the Collins dictionary defines it as:-

1. Belief in or doctrine asserting racial differences in character, intelligence, etc. and the superiority of one race over another or others: racist doctrine also, typically, seeks to maintain the supposed purity of a race or the races
2. Any program or practice of racial discrimination, segregation, etc., specif., such a program or practice that upholds the political or economic domination of one race over another or others
3. Feelings or actions of hatred and bigotry toward a person or persons because of their race

I define Tommy's behaviour over the years as firmly under no 3. I take it you don't agree?
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bnet Posted on 14/02/2019 13:09
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actually no l don't, point out his actions as per number 3.


Some want to be offended, infact they seek offence out. Call me what you want, l don't get offended generally by much. I do know right from wrong !
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jabbaranks Posted on 14/02/2019 13:16
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Walthamstow's post and ForFoxSakes post for starters. They fit number 3 don't they?

Fair play to you bnet, despite all the evidence pointing firmly towards yer man being a racist, you keep defending him. I think he'd like that.
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Club_B00k_Crutchless Posted on 14/02/2019 13:17
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It's convenient for TR and people like him to claim they aren't racist because Islam is a religion, not a race. You can pretty much guarantee that they don't care much for anyone of different colour to themselves but they hide behind claiming to be against the way Muslims behave.

Then you get the ones who get all defensive when challenged over the terminology they use, rather than listen to the people they offend and think about why.
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northleicsblue Posted on 14/02/2019 13:25
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I'm confused now.
I had just got to understand that it wasn't a left right thing then bnet started it all up again
I think I am clear about our Tommy being a racist now at least
What was the other thing Mac? Oh yeah, BBC. Bunch of right wing cnuts.
Damn.
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bnet Posted on 14/02/2019 17:24
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Jabba, l can see how people who want to paint him as a racist find it easy and convienient to do. I've watched him ask every single person whos called him a racist on air and everyone as backed off as there is no evidence. There is if you lower the bar to that clip, but you really have to admit if thats the best you can do, as every last word he says is scrutinised to the nth. He well might be a racst l don't know but with half the country calling him one there is surprisingly little or no evidence. I would imagine if you where filmed as much as him you would show us more perceived racsism than that.

It just fits you lots boxes, but the proof is not there really as much as you pretend that little clip is enough its not. If that's given you what you want well thats up to you.

For the record, l have never been on a march, never supported anything financially and do not follow except for passing interest. Though l watch you lot constantly twisting the truth because its how you want it to be.
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Same as you Bnet ,I aknowledge that there are many posters on this board who are a lot more intelligent ,more articulate than me , but their intelligence hasn't stopped them being brainwashed to a degree that is frightening
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Brainwashed about what??????? That we deem the term Paki to be something really grim and deserves to remain in 1974??? And that we think Tommy baby is a self serving racist?

If your dictionary definition of brainwashed means 'I don't think like you' then yeah, XXXXXX me, I've been proper Men In Black'd
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Without wishing to sound patronising or condescending (I think I've been accused of both here at some point), it's worthwhile mentioning that having the word "P*ki" shouted at you with the threat of violence should you reply, with hatred & with such force that half of the liquid contents of their gob are aimed towards you, is something no white person will ever appreciate.

And that's why it's disliked.

So Bnet, please put away your "It's only the shortening of a country" nonsense & have a re-think of your opinion.
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you can say "fukc off" in numerous ways and it can mean lots of different things, thats how Paki is used. l agree its used mostly as insulting but not always, but always taken as meaning one thing to the people who are looking for offence. To be honest l think people shouldn't use it in any form because of this. We don't need the word and we'd be better off without it.

lt can be used light hearty in certain situations but its a delicate thing so best left alone.

What you say happened to you is wrong and i'd think that person who did that was a piece of XXXXXX e as you do.

The thing is about this thread and all the others like it, are the people who hate TR and will use anything to back their hatred up no matter if theres any truth in it. It boils down to this every time and l try to put the other side up. lf me and others didn't these distorted truths and lies would become fact.
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Unicum Posted on 14/02/2019 20:11
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People make me laugh. I remember being attacked, late night, city centre for being a 'wog lover'. Great fun. A few of them on to me, with just my girlfriend.

I remember the abuse we used to get, I'd say over 90% from Indians. Tricky, as I lived off Melton Road most of my life.

I remember being about 9. My mate was half black, half white. His older brother calling him "porky" because he was just a bit lighter than he was. My mate used to start crying.

I remember the years I spent with quite a well-known face at football, telling me how he hates black lads. All a bit odd, because he was half black. It was never easy navigating these things. But he's come out of that stage now and when we all get together it's like afekkin coke ad, only with lots of beer and Indian food.

I suppose I could go on forever, so many examples, some of it really bad; really brutal. But then that's the world we lived in.

I can't be bothered to read the comments here. Sorry. I'm bored of the labels, the stupidity, the 'you can't say this and that.' Personally, I don't use the word Paki, but I couldn't give atoss if someone did.

Racism. Real racism is much, much worse than that.

I hope someone enjoys this message. It's not often I revisit these things. But no worries if you don't.
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bnet Posted on 14/02/2019 20:21
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l struggle to put things like that across as well as you Unicum, but l agree with you and we all have had situations like that l think. Probably the ones who haven't are the ones that call"racist" any chance they get.

For me people are people, what ever ethnic background, and l wouldn't allow racism in my company as i'm sure most on here wouldn't. We don't need telling this, we know it, we live it perhaps the screamers don't.
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wearthefoxhat Posted on 14/02/2019 20:22
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Bin there Unicum [^]

The outrage here makes me laugh 😂 at worst cringe [8)]
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its all about their other agenda WTFH, it always goes into a long thread and ends up with TR is a racist !

Thats the agenda -TR and people who have similar opinions and its not right wing or racist.
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Unicum Posted on 14/02/2019 21:09
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Thank you gentlemen. Don't really like opening up on these things. Feel a bit of a caannt.

"We don't need telling this, we know it, we live itÖ.."


Exactly. It's probably one reason why I'm sick of political correctness and identity politics. Divide. Dumb down. Deflect from the issue. "He's said Jehova!"

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mac_ Posted on 14/02/2019 21:40
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Itís the pompous outrage and offence taken on behalf of others that gets me.
I take on board Mistryís valid and heartfelt point, but I also know plenty of Indians who use the word Paki in a derogatory manner.
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Unicum Posted on 14/02/2019 22:05
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Sorry Mystry man, I haven't read your post. Will do later.
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wearthefoxhat Posted on 14/02/2019 22:06
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Exactly Mac, thinking your sticking up for someone who thinks your a joke is the epitome of pompously.
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ArleseyFoxile Posted on 15/02/2019 00:10
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Thing is with all of this that people stoke these discussions with comments that provoke people into responses.

Personally I have seen and experienced racism both towards myself and towards friends. Violent, abusive, the lot. I have been spat on and been beaten up just for being the wrong face in the wrong place at the wrong time. And that's just it. You have no fcuking clue what drives people to post what they post or why someone might be offended by what you write. Or why they have the opinion they have.

I personally find TR and his views on the world abhorrent. That isn't going to change whether people think I'm brainwashed or not. Call me what you fcuking like. IDGAF

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Mistryman Posted on 15/02/2019 06:02
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you can say "fukc off" in numerous ways and it can mean lots of different things, thats how Paki is used. l agree its used mostly as insulting but not always, but always taken as meaning one thing to the people who are looking for offence.

I can honestly say I've never heard it in the sense of just 'eff-off', it's always been much, much worse - with intent, for a particular effect & outcome, & definitely to insult.

The legacy of some words cannot be erased & there should be no effort made to 'claim it back' or some other similar nonsense.

And anyone using it now (regardless of their skin colour or background), IMHO is either being ignorant or an attention-seeker.
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bnet Posted on 15/02/2019 07:53
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Heres an example in my life. My mates of Indian decent, we go back 30 years or so. He regular says to me, as a sort of standing joke say if i'm flogging him something or doing some work for him " go on then rip the Pakis off" or " one price for whites and another for us Pakis".

This is in the way that Spurs fans call their self Yids and black American call each other N word. Its just making light of something that was used offensively being disarmed. I don't agree for one minute of people offending others racial or any other way, but too many people want to be offended by anything.
This is how you deal with it, like adults, not, teacher teacher he said a nasty word, We all get insulted and these insults are all as bad as racist insults, its how you persnally deal with it that counts. You have a role to play, don't ask other people to defend you, do it yourself.

Just look at all these anti-Trump campaigners and Antifa, they constantly cry foul. Deal with it at the root, don't make up silly ditties to sing and just look pathetic, be adults, these snowflakes are building a world of weak weak people who can't care for themselves, the powers that be love it.

When l was 10, a Stoke fan nicked my scarf and l told the copper near me, he said "well go and nick it back then" that was a good lesson learnt.
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Mistryman Posted on 15/02/2019 08:27
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Thanks for the advice Bnet, but I'll pass. Whilst I'm not of Pakistani origin, I'm not going to go around using that word to make light of something.

For me, the way you've described it then means it goes under some form of 'banter' which it certainly isn't - the fact that we have gone back & forth on it even here, proves that.

I wouldn't do it to anyone else, & I wouldn't expect anyone to do that to me. That's how I personally deal with it & that's how I would defend myself.
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bnet Posted on 15/02/2019 08:41
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same here regarding your last sentence, but if its offensive to you, its for you to deal with. Thats the problem people don't deal with there own problems, not saying its right for one minute but its for the person who's been "offended" to put things right so it doesn't happen again. We all get mad with things people say to us, not just in a racial way. l don't like being called racist because i'm not.
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Mistryman Posted on 15/02/2019 08:51
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Yeah, don't think you're going to get the last word on this with that response.

The fact is, I am having to deal with it, but then I get told here that I shouldn't be offended by it.

I'd love to hear your suggestions on how exactly I 'put things right' when the person screaming "p*ki" at me without any provocation on my part sees it as his / her divine right to call me that.

The problem is the other person, not me.
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outfoxed Posted on 15/02/2019 12:57
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I think some people are confusing being offended with understanding why people are offended.

The word Paki doesn't offend me at all, I'm a white British male in my 40's so why would it?

I grew up in the 70's and 80's though and I can remember the hatred and venom that the word was used with so I would never use it.

So either Tommy Robinson is aware of the connotations and the history behind the use of the word and used it anyway, or he wasn't aware of the history of the word and used it not knowing it was offensive to some. The first instance makes him a thick racist idiot, the second just makes him a thick idiot, either way he doesn't come out of it looking good does he?

Bnet, surely even you can distinguish the difference between your friend using the word and a 36 year old white male with a history of violence using it?

By the way, thanks for posting the link to where we can donate to tommy's cause, I've often wondered how someone with a conviction for mortgage fraud can afford a large detached house in Bedfordshire, now I know.
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Mustapha_Teabreak Posted on 15/02/2019 15:25
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don't be offended ...

Link: it's only humour
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Club_B00k_Crutchless Posted on 15/02/2019 15:48
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Well this racist sketch really offended me

Link: Big crisps
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Unicum Posted on 15/02/2019 17:06
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Mistryman. Just read your original posts. If you're saying this is on iys way back and it's used with venom again, then I'm not going to argue with you. No reason not to believe you.

My point was that things were complicated in the past. I suppose it was our generation who grew up together and had to work it all out, and of course, none of us ever could completely.

Mac is right though: I've been advised by Indians to never go to India because it's too "Paki-fied."

Like I said, it's never easy squaring these things. I grew a technique of listening more to what's behind the words. Whether there was real nastiness or not. I definitely can tell when there is. But I accept that it's harder to tell when there isn't.
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mac_ Posted on 15/02/2019 18:03
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Iíve learnt to love everyone me. Itís great.
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Club_B00k_Crutchless Posted on 15/02/2019 21:48
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It's only a shortening of their country's name FFS! Us whiteys know best.

Or maybe understand how someone who is the brunt of it feels

Link: Bloody pakis
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Mistryman Posted on 15/02/2019 22:33
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How depressing. Indians using the word as well.
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bnet Posted on 15/02/2019 22:46
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l didn't say you shuldn't be offended by it Mistryman, unfortunately we all get insulted and have to deal with it the best we can. l must have thick skin!

its a bit snowflakey, blokes talking about being offended to be fair so, fukc this thread off. I nearly said its a bit gay, but l might offend someone, oops sorry, too late[smi]
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Club_B00k_Crutchless Posted on 15/02/2019 23:01
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"That's not an insult. Nothing wrong with being gay"

Joe Root, Feb 2019
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Club_B00k_Crutchless Posted on 15/02/2019 23:04
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The Indian Pakistan rivalry was always a thing when I was a kid Mistryman.
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bnet Posted on 15/02/2019 23:59
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Mustapher, you are a patronising dumb fk basically.
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Mistryman Posted on 16/02/2019 07:12
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Yeah whatever Bnet - thick skin, snowflake, gay, blah blah blah.

Bid you farewell on this one 'cos the 1970s wants you back.
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bnet Posted on 16/02/2019 08:57
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Reality is looking for you Mistryman.
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northleicsblue Posted on 16/02/2019 09:09
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"And cut!
Nice one fellas, that's a wrap"
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Unicum Posted on 16/02/2019 10:01
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NLB. [:D]
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