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bendit_like_suddick Posted on 10/02/2019 15:37
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I see SKY is trying to give this scumbag some Political creedence by repeatedly asking his opinion.

Agenda driven cr @p or common sense?

Coming from this tool, I would deem the former. I wonder how much Brexit would affect his investments?

Manipulative and untrustworthy and this tw @t thinks he has Political stature. He should never ever have a Political platform again, and shame on any Network that gives him one.

Link: Your opinion is worthless
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fixitian Posted on 10/02/2019 15:40

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We're gonna find out, that's for sure.
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Shandypants Posted on 10/02/2019 16:08

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If only we had a leader of his stature right now. The country wouldn't be in this unholy mess
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bendit_like_suddick Posted on 10/02/2019 16:23

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So Iraq wasn't a mess? Im sure hundreds of servicemen/women's families would disagree, wouldn't you.

How did he do with the economy in the end or unemployment?

Weak politician manipulated by Campbell and Mandy.

His opinion means diddlysquat, and to encourage it by SKY is an affront to decent, intelligent people.

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scratchingshed Posted on 10/02/2019 16:31
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Iraq was a mess but imagine a dictator like Hussain had he still been alive today? Would be another Assad in Syria murdering thousands of his own innocent men women and children.
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bendit_like_suddick Posted on 10/02/2019 16:34

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Scratchers - I agree.

However, the invasion was illegal, manufactured by an egoistical shoitehead.
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scratchingshed Posted on 10/02/2019 16:39
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Yes he acted on it he had to being the PM but more ill informed intelligence i’d Say b_I_s.

Not the first PM to make mistakes and certainly won’t be the last.

Let’s not forget he got voted in power (twice) and brought Labour back from the dark ages (in his good years) 😮
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bendit_like_suddick Posted on 10/02/2019 16:40

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True [^]
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ArchibaldKnox Posted on 10/02/2019 17:09
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As Labour leader, Blair won three general elections, 1997, 2001 and 2005. Ten years as PM. A lot of Labour supporters wish they had an election-winning guru like that now. Sadly, the current leadership seems determined to repeat the Foot years.

Although he had his faults, and Iraq was the single one that sent him into decline as a politician, Blair made the realpolitik decision to stay as closely aligned with the USA as possible after the cataclysmic events of 11th September 2001. Even though, politically, he disagreed with G.W.Bush on most other things. At the time it must have seemed the sensible thing to him, although the million people marching against war should have been a warning. But he was not able to extricate himself from the path to war, unlike Harold Wilson who refused to get the UK involved in Vietnam. And the post-war Iraq went disastrously with a power vacuum that led to widespread fanatical terrorism.
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rektseasider Posted on 10/02/2019 17:15

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Scratchers

I think you’re dead wrong.

Without the Iraq war ISIS would have never have formed. Assad realises all his jihadists from prison to go and fight the infidel s. Once that died down, like a heat seeking missle they locked on to a new target. Back to Syria to form their caliphate.

Incidentally, if Gaddafi hadn’t been toppled I’m not sure the Arab spring would have gained much potential which in turn led to the Syrian civil war.

On the flip side you’d still have two brutal dictators in charge. Which is worse? Who knows.
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SirHarryThomson Posted on 10/02/2019 17:16

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Blair helped to sort the Northern Ireland situation. Bet the Labour Party wish they had a leader of his ilk now.
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glasshalffull Posted on 10/02/2019 17:21

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Does anyone seriously think a Tory Government would not have followed the Americans into Iraq though?
They are generally even more up the Yankee’s backsides than Blair was.
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bendit_like_suddick Posted on 10/02/2019 17:21

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SHT - actually Bliar did hardly anything to sort the NI situation out. He was detested by both sides of the Divide.

The architect was the sadly departed Mo Mowlem who earned their respect.

The horrible little Man took the credit.
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fcblackpool Posted on 10/02/2019 17:24

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Rek, ISIS formed before the Iraq invasion.
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MACSEASIDER Posted on 10/02/2019 17:26

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I'd rather 1 Tony Blair than 100 of the chithouses currently in the House of Commons.

In his heyday he was excellent. Even staunch Tories liked him.
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scratchingshed Posted on 10/02/2019 17:27
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Rektseasider what about ISIS in Syria? It wasn’t just formed in Iraq after it crumbled.
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KuriousOranj Posted on 10/02/2019 17:29

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Easily the best PM in my life time. He's right about the EU and Brexit and it's hard to disagree with anything he's said over the last two years, We could do with someone like him to sort this mess out!

John Major is another ex PM talking sense.
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leamingtonbytheseaside Posted on 10/02/2019 17:30

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Minimum wage
Independence for the Bank of England
Sure start centres
Tax credits
Education Maintenance Allowance
The Building Schools for the Future Programme
The Good Friday Agreement
Constructive relationship with Europe
Devolved parliaments for Wales and Scotland
Low inflation
Low interest rates
Low unemployment (real jobs)
Historic levels of spending on education
Historic levels of spending on the NHS

You can moan all you want but compare the period 1997 to 2007 with 2010 to 2019 and the domestic situation in particular is striking and embarrassing.
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Chunkylad Posted on 10/02/2019 17:42

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Best prime minister in my remembrance time. Best years of my life and the only period of time I remember where people felt genuinely positive about their futures (barring the rich who always did).

War on Iraq sickened me but he surrounded himself with politicians who got things done as you can see by the list above (as any CEO should) and the comparison to the ineptitude of the last ten years is stark.

For all of his horrific character flaws, he led a government that delivered.
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bendit_like_suddick Posted on 10/02/2019 17:46

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Nige on holiday?
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scratchingshed Posted on 10/02/2019 17:49

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I’am pretty sure the Labour Party and it’s supporters would swap Blair for Corbyn right now.

I know this one would. [^]
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seasideone Posted on 10/02/2019 17:51

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The ONLY time in my life I ever voted labour was when he stood against Major.

The way they went about the Iraq war was wrong, BUT, I do not regret us getting rid of an evil dictator, who used chemical weapons against his own people and thought rape was ok to keep woman in their place.

The main mistake they made was the reason they went in, BUT in reality they should have finished it off first time instead of stopping at the border!
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Shandypants Posted on 10/02/2019 18:30

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He was sold a dud on Iraq by the US. Blair towers above Cameron who shockingly gambled the future of the country to put his own party in line, backfired badly. The excellent BBC series 'inside Europe 10 years of turmoil' is worth a watch, the likes of brown, Blair, major etc are decent people compared to this shower
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SeasideGoat Posted on 10/02/2019 18:35

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How much of Brexit is down to Bliar?

Mass immigration to "rub the right's noses in diversity", the whole mass of ultra-PC multicultural bulls***.

Bliar created a culture that said to (mainly) white working class men "this isn't your country anymore, you don't belong here" and Brexit is a reaction to that.
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bendit_like_suddick Posted on 10/02/2019 18:36

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'Broken Vows' is a more definitive tome, and shows Bliar for what he really was, and it certainly isn't 'decent'.

Knowingly, without a shadow of a doubt that there were no WMD, and again knowingly proceeded to risk Service Personnel lives for his own ego, mainly to sustain his bromance with that thick t w@t Bush.
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SeasideGoat Posted on 10/02/2019 18:37

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Shady,

Watch Robin Cook's resignation speech on YouTube.

Bliar knew there were no WMD in Iraq, but he pretended there were anyway because he thought he was right.
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rektseasider Posted on 10/02/2019 18:39

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So if ISIS formed before the Iraq invasion why had we never heard of them?

Because they’re numbers swelled with mainly Syrian jihadists who had honed their skills in Iraq.
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rektseasider Posted on 10/02/2019 18:42

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Blair was a awful prime minister.

Spend spend spend spend spend spend spend.

Way over what the country was capable of sustaining.

And then people wonder why the country dipped into recession and is now in austerity measures.
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leamingtonbytheseaside Posted on 10/02/2019 18:55

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You seen ‘the Big Short’?

Didn’t think so. [rle]

I think there may have been other reasons.....

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Ladron_Grande Posted on 10/02/2019 18:55

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Said it before and it's worth saying again, the best Prime Minister in my lifetime by a country mile. Minimum Wage, Tax Credits, Human Rights Act, peace in Ireland, rebuilding nearly every school (and hospital) in the country, great public services, great healthcare, university for all not just the rich. Police, Fire Service and Armed Personnel numbers at healthy levels.

As for the war in Iraq - what about Afghanistan, the other Gulf War, Syria and the Falklands for that matter? Our country has been at war more than it hasn't and most of them years under the nasty party. The Tories have murdered thousands of British men, women and children with their evil austerity policies.
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glasshalffull Posted on 10/02/2019 19:02

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Not true Rekt. Labour’s financial record was pretty good up until the financial crisis, which was not of their making.
The banking bail out obviously blew a hole in that, but was pretty successful in preventing a total collapse in confidence and the economy.
Austerity was a political choice by the Tories not a necessity and slowed the economy down massively for several years, and has massively increased our National debt, despite improving the fiscal defecit.
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bendit_like_suddick Posted on 10/02/2019 19:03

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L_G - Police numbers started the decline under Labour and suffered horrendous problems with upgrading equipment.

Granted, numbers are incredibly low under the Tories, but Labour under Blair certainly didn't do the Service many favours.

Also lets not forget that horrible Dingle's idea to flood the Country with immigrants in order that they added to the Socialist 'vote pool'. Clever, but ultimately has caused this Brexit mess, due to voters making it their primary concern when voting.
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AndrewDuncanSmith Posted on 10/02/2019 19:10

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I wonder what he has been promised by the EU to stop the British Exit on March 29th that man uses politics to increase his own wealth.
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rektseasider Posted on 10/02/2019 19:16

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You’ve got to be joking glass.

Just in the frame of this thread. Two absolutely pointless wars that gained us nothing and increased violence here in Britain and around the world.

We were led in to those by Tony Blair. Hundreds of British Service personnel died for nothing I can see which is the biggest tragedy. But please tell me how much both those wars have cost in monetary terms this country. You can’t honestly tell me Labour in those years were good with money. Laughable.

LG I’m not a fan of the conservatives but the statement about Tory austerit “murdering” thousands. Honestly you’re as nuts as that cat fella.
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seasideone Posted on 10/02/2019 19:19

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I think many people struggle to see past the colour of their political party. I have voted for all three main parties but would say my beliefs are middle to right which makes me more Tory than any other.

In short I believe in rewarding people for doing well and helping people who genuinely need it. I also believe in standing up for the worker, but the unions had far to much power in the past.

I believe in a free at point an public NHS but also understand that sometimes private sector can do better and cheaper.

I for one think all political parties are rubbish these days and I have for a while, I just think on balance we are usually better under the Torys. TM has an impossible job and if I am honest Momentum frighten me.

However, I am glad Labour where in power for the credit crunch, not because it makes them look bad to some, but because Darling was a very very good COTE. A Tory would have more than likely let the banks go - which would have been a disaster.

Some of the financial products at the time were so complex nobody understood them, and that was criminal in my mind - not enough people have ever been held to task over this although some have.

On the subject of borrowing for growth - so far on this planet it has never worked long term, you have to pay your debts!
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ribble Posted on 10/02/2019 19:24

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'I’am pretty sure the Labour Party and it’s supporters would swap Blair for Corbyn right now I’am pretty sure the Labour Party and it’s supporters would swap Blair for Corbyn right now'

Shed, Blair is detested by large tranches of the Party, certainly those on the far left, and with some good reason. His rehabilitation is unlikely any time soon.

Personally speaking I won't ever be able to forgive him for Iraq. That was a momentous error, the ramifications of which are still very much with us today. But he's right about the EU.
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Don_K_Lasher Posted on 10/02/2019 19:29

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I voted for Blair

And Leamington's list is about right.

In one of his victory speeches was magnanimous admit he was inheriting a stable economy thanks to Major.

Whether he lied to Parliament or not, anybody who denies that taking Hussain out did not leave a vacuum taken by ISIS is kidding themselves.

But it's fine saying that in retrospect.

I take issue with
'Constructive relationship with Europe'

Major, Blair in particular then Brown dug us into this hole that we're struggling to climb out of.

All done without consulting the electorate, how ironic he's promoting the Peeeeeeples Vote now!

Time for him to wind his neck in.
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scratchingshed Posted on 10/02/2019 19:35
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If Blair was responsible for murdering thousands what was Churchill responsible for?

I disagree on both accounts by the way but to blame the PM in a time of conflict is both despicable and the easy way out. [V]

I don’t recall Maggie Thatcher having the finger pointed at her for having a war 6,000 miles away on some Islands that no one had heard of back then.
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rektseasider Posted on 10/02/2019 19:38

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Scratching,
Churchill isn’t above criticism, he made some daft decisions.

You’re not comparing the 2003 invasion of Iraq to WWII. Are you?
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scratchingshed Posted on 10/02/2019 19:44
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Of course I’am not but as I’ve said before Blair made this decision on Iraq on poor intelligence.

They should have invaded Iraq in the first gulf war then we wouldn’t have had this second farce of a war.
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glasshalffull Posted on 10/02/2019 19:44

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Rekt I certainly agree with you about those wars and their cost, both human and financial.
No doubt they detracted from what else could have been achieved in those years, but I stand by their financial record up to the financial crash.
The Tories have historically run the biggest defecits over the last few decades. I know this is counter intuitive, but it is true, and most likely due to their deflationary austerity type policies, and less tax on the richest.
Agree with Bendit to the extent that allowing immigrants from new EU countries before we needed to was a massive error and big factor in the referendum.
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bendit_like_suddick Posted on 10/02/2019 19:47

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Poor Intelligence?

He was advised there were NO WOMD, but still decided to invade.

Subsequently, no WOMD were found.
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Don_K_Lasher Posted on 10/02/2019 19:47

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Both counts Shed?

No doubt you'll be familiar with the phrase - "He who never does owt never drops a b0ll0ck" , and Blair dropped some whoppers!!!

- Mex has written many a verse applauding Blair's influence on our 'integration' with the EU!! - So who did dig us into this hole we can't climb out of. Donald Tusk?

- So where was the plan to prevent ISIS et al from taking over IRAQ? There wasn't one!


You need to take off your Labour Tinted Glasses Shed.
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scratchingshed Posted on 10/02/2019 19:49
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Yer I should start voting Tory and be happy knowing not only have they devided the country they’ve fcuked the whole country up good and proper over Brexit a complete and utter shambles . [V]
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leamingtonbytheseaside Posted on 10/02/2019 19:50

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Can I just say that I don’t necessarily agree with everything posted tonight on this thread but refreshingly it hasn’t degenerated into the usual slanging match.

Seasideone/ghf and Don have all given considered and constructive posts.

I really don’t think the divisions between us are as great as currently advertised.

Perhaps, we are all Lib Dem’s at heart?
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Usernameusername Posted on 10/02/2019 19:53

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Bendit with his usual “Labour rubbish, Tory wonderful” diatribe. Bliar, Comrade Corbyn, Silliband, etc, etc, Labour root of all evil. Cameron and May strong and stable, Tories doing good for all.

FFS man are you really so stupid, gullible and conditioned that you cannot think for yourself?
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leamingtonbytheseaside Posted on 10/02/2019 19:57

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Think I spoke too soon [rle]
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bendit_like_suddick Posted on 10/02/2019 20:03

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Ah, my stalker has appeared on cue.[^]

Do yourself a favour and actually read my posts properly. That way you will ascertain that I actually provide some intellectual content, unlike your efforts which display anything but.

I also wasn't aware that constructive criticism is construed as diatribe, a word I only tend to use when a poster such as yourself ventures unerringly on the 'personal' angle.

However, thanks for your input.[:D]
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Usernameusername Posted on 10/02/2019 20:10

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If you think your input is “intellectual” then you prove my argument [^]
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tangerinemoss Posted on 10/02/2019 20:18

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"Spend spend spend spend spend spend spend."

Real figures show that in the early days Labour paid back enormous amounts of our national debt, matched only by the amount paid back by Thatcher. The difference, of course, was Thatcher sold off what we already owned, whereas Labour did it the Keynsian way by growth.

Up until the World Banking crisis, despite the right wing nay sayers slagging off every budget, Labour balanced the books across each cycle. Post crash, they took a very deliberate political decision to continue with National Capital projects to soften the landing, which they did. This made sure we avoided doing an Iceland or Eire.

Best PM of my adult lifetime by a country mile, this list above is staggering, compared to the other no marks who have been PM. What gets forgotten in all the anti Blair Iraq rhetoric is that mass graves containing tens of thousands were found by the Allies post invasion, yet it is claimed that we were not justified. maybe we should have continued to stand aside and let him continue to slaughter his countrymen. The disaster of Iraq was America treating the post war recovery as a business opportunity for their paymasters, this caused all the continuing conflict because it was run by businesses for profit rather than diplomats for the people's good.
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MACSEASIDER Posted on 10/02/2019 22:00

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Absolutely spot on tangerinemoss.

The Blair years were fantastic. We were "Cool Britannia". And we were cool.

We had a moderate PM who lead with a modecum of charisma.

It's bizarre how some people cannot let go of the victorian politics their parents instilled in them.

Any conservative PM would have gone along with Bush Snr into Iraq. They are lying if they said they would't.

The most obvious legacy on the Fylde Coast from a Blair government is secondary schools.

They all got an upgrade. Sports halls, classrooms and modernisation across the board.

Since then only shameful government.

Austerity - whilst the Eton lads made millions the rest of our islands were put into hell.
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glasshalffull Posted on 10/02/2019 23:56

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Nice post tm, thank you.
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eagleeye Posted on 11/02/2019 17:25

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I cant believe there are so many Blair supporters,he ruined the labour party,not improve it,voted labour all my life till he got in,not voted for them since,only interested in his own agenda,wish him all the worst,smarmy pillock[8D]
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cabbie Posted on 11/02/2019 17:47

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So you prefer to support a labour party when it's in opposition then rather than actually in government eagle eye
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Don_K_Lasher Posted on 11/02/2019 18:42

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MAC

My old school and sixth form and was completely demolished and upgraded to a brand new facility in 2014.

Previously 45m was made available in 2010, nowt to do with Blair.
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TangerineNige Posted on 12/02/2019 06:35

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Blair is a national disgrace and embarrassment.
Bankrupted the country like all Labour governments leading to years of hard times and took us into illegal wars. Should be locked up in the Hague rather than spouting on Brexit.
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