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poultonbus Posted on 20/04/2017 20:28
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And some "Out-dated-lefties" & Remainiacs think we don't need to control "movement of people" from the EU Continent[rle].........🚌
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Lytham_FY8 Posted on 20/04/2017 20:30

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And some will jump on anything to push an 'out-dated-righty' agenda.

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poultonbus Posted on 20/04/2017 20:35

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No! FY8 Mate!
Just another "tragedy & lose of life" and it just has to stop!!
"Something's Got To Change" (In My Opinion)....🚌
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pondman Posted on 20/04/2017 20:36
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Trigger happy, moi?

First reaction to wag a finger at groups you disagree with in this country?
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poolcat Posted on 20/04/2017 20:37

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PB is right again. All 52 year old men called Adrian should be rounded up and sent back to Kent. That should solve it [^]
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Plumbs Posted on 20/04/2017 20:40

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I thought Paris was in France and not vice versa?

Someone wasn't listening to Mr Baker [smi]
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poultonbus Posted on 20/04/2017 20:43

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I don't disagree with anyone already in this country that is a "done deal" it's EU members not controlling their borders that's the problem that's why we have to get out (In My Opinion)[rle]....🚌
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poultonbus Posted on 20/04/2017 20:43

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Plumbs[:D]
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SEASIDE2016 Posted on 20/04/2017 20:50

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I'm with the Bus here.

It's a tragic loss of life and nothing to do with any agenda.

Time for others to recognise the obvious problem.
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MACSEASIDER Posted on 20/04/2017 21:03

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They can keep trying but Paris is, and always will be the City of Light.
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mexboroseasider Posted on 20/04/2017 21:09

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Most terrorists these days are Muslim - correct.

Most Muslims are terrorists - wrong.

Bearing in mind there are billion or so Muslims in the World but only 10,000 terrorists that means about 0.00001% of the population (well I was crap at Maths but you get the general idea....).

But hey ho that's no reason we shouldn't jump to simplistic, knee jerk policies and stigmatise a whole religion/people.

I once met an idiot from Manchester; that must mean everyone in Manchester is an idiot. Makes sense to me.
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poultonbus Posted on 20/04/2017 21:12

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Sorry Mex, not sure where Muslims have been mentioned so far on this thread?....🚌
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SouthportSeasider Posted on 20/04/2017 21:15

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"Bearing in mind there are billion or so Muslims in the World but only 10,000 terrorists that means about 0.00001% of the population (well I was crap at Maths but you get the general idea....)."

Put it that way, 10,000 terrorists doesn't sound that many and there's room enough in this world for more. [rle]

Care to point me in the direction of where you got a figure of 10,000?

Link: Was It Here?
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mexboroseasider Posted on 20/04/2017 21:18

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Oh sorry. Silly me. I was under the impression that because most of the recent terrorist incidents in France were perpetrated by Muslims the OP was all about controlling immigration because that allows terrorists in "by the back door".

Delighted to hear it wasn't.

So who do you want to control? Now that you've ruled out Muslims and immigrants.
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SouthportSeasider Posted on 20/04/2017 21:21

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I didn't rule out anyone.
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mexboroseasider Posted on 20/04/2017 21:22

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Southport. I think it was Black Swan but to be honest I didn't go off and fact check before posting on a football forum.

My point was you can't condemn a whole group because of the actions of a tiny minority of that group.

Another example that will go down well with the feminists.

Owen Oyston is a rapist. Owen Oyston is a man. Ergo all men are rapists. We need a policy to control all men.
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poultonbus Posted on 20/04/2017 21:23

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Mex, as one of the more logical posters on here I don't really know why you are "rearing-up"[:O]
I know you didn't like the "democratic" Brexit vote result but surely you have the "vision" to see its becoming a more "dangerous-world" and German/French "apathy" is a significant contributor to it........🚌
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Wizaard Posted on 20/04/2017 21:25

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Every Islamist attack in this country has been conducted by people born and bred in this country. Tighter border controls means they stay here.

FACT
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pondman Posted on 20/04/2017 21:25

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It`s hardly syllogism is it?

Tragic incident happens in France.

No details of perpetrators mentioned in O/P.

So admonish "Remainiacs" and "Lefties" who don`t agree with "controlling movement of people".

Doesn`t work, does it?





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poultonbus Posted on 20/04/2017 21:32

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"If" true Wiz, why let more potential "threats" by keeping borders open??!![rle].....🚌
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mexboroseasider Posted on 20/04/2017 21:33
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PB. Didn't think I was rearing up. More just pointing out some of the illogical thinking that's having an effect on policy making these days. What policies?

Well Trump's failed attempt to ban all Muslims from travelling to the U.S. on the grounds a tiny minority of Muslims are terrorists. Or indeed calls by Farage for a similar ban on immigrants to the UK for the same reason.

Edit to add: on the basis that most recent terrorists in the UK have been home grown (not just Muslims but white, right wing neo Nazis), and following the same logic, that must means most Brits are potential terrorists. Why isn't Trump banning all of us?
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Wizaard Posted on 20/04/2017 21:36

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Because it's not a threat.

7/7 bombers. Home grown
Lee Rigby murderers. Home grown
Westminster Bridge. Home grown.

Not a threat from abroad. Never has been except in the fevered imagination of Daily Mail readers.
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Cagey Posted on 20/04/2017 21:36

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Interesting reaction to any possible terrorist incidents. Right wing anti immigrants eager to blame Muslims & the intellectual high ground elite accepting it & rising above the right wingers. ( in their minds)
Maybe we should wait until the blood dries until we tweet & post & pontificate . And that includes me.
Terrorists & the media win again .
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fixitian Posted on 20/04/2017 21:44

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Its "where will it all end" you lot need to worry about.[:P]
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MACSEASIDER Posted on 20/04/2017 21:44

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Not this country Wiz. I assume you mean that they are born within the country they have attacked.
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whitstabletangerine Posted on 20/04/2017 21:47
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I am not surprised this has occurred in France, thought there might be a La Pen moment an incident that might strike a chord in certain quarters.
As for home grown terrorism, well keeping tabs on 500 returning jihadists that have gone to the Middle East to fight for ISIS or similar will probably keep the security services busy as they will return as some have done already but via Holland and Belgium thus keeping a low profile in an effort to return unnoticed.
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Lytham_FY8 Posted on 20/04/2017 21:47
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In this country all the attacks have been lone XXXXXXs who are clearly mentally disturbed and attaching themselves to a 'cause'.

I'm not sure that has anything whatsoever to do with immigration has it? ISIS and their ilk breed on fear anyway and changing policy is giving them what they want, reactionary tub thumping is a victory for them.







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mexboroseasider Posted on 20/04/2017 22:03

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Whits is right (as he so often is). We should be focusing on, and investing in, targeted, intelligence driven and effective security measures. Not stupid, ineffective and possibly even counter productive "ban 'em all" policies that make it look as if you're being tough on the terrorists; when you aren't.
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MarkAdam22 Posted on 20/04/2017 22:17

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They should bring back hanging,not capture them give them accommodation three meals a day gym and a tele.
Hang them.
The amount of terrorists that are being monitored is beyond a joke,just bring them in and end them.
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Cagey Posted on 20/04/2017 22:27

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I think Lytham & Wiz are right on this . It's nothing to do with immigration.
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MACSEASIDER Posted on 20/04/2017 22:59

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Lytham and Wiz are never wrong......[rle]

Whilst actually the reality may lie somewhere in between.

Home grown self styled terrorists maybe British / French / German born. But their ideology - (utter feckwitted barmpottery as we know it) - is born and encouraged via social media. In fact - you might say that the state of the world is lead my media / social media.

I was going to carry on typing but I can't be XXXXXXd.

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giro Posted on 20/04/2017 23:32

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Poultonbus,

In what way does leaving europe make the UK a safer place?
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phill49 Posted on 20/04/2017 23:51

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It isn't a tiny percentage most Muslim's deep down hate none believers.Sick of do gooder who haven't a clue talking bile .I urge you to spend some time in a area heavily populated by Muslim's and then you will sea what real racism and hatred is.It is a fact Muslim's do not want to integrate.A recent study has finally made the news about this but it was short and not repeated because we cannot say anything even when it's the truth as the racist shouting idiots appear .These everything's rosy in my village types are going to have a lot to answer for .I urge them to spend a few days in Nelson where I had family it's horrific
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Lytham_FY8 Posted on 21/04/2017 00:00

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'Lytham and Wiz are never wrong'

Not true Mac, I remember the day I was, it was a Wednesday in 1997......

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Ragnar_Lothbrook Posted on 21/04/2017 03:26

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I may be wrong and feel free to correct me but I thought that net migration had actually risen since the Conservatives came to power?

As has the structural deficit for that matter.

Soundbites are great aren't they? As long as the right sort of politician is coming out with them. People believe any old chite as long as it's packaged in the right way and spun along by the media in a sympathetic manner.

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Tikataka Posted on 21/04/2017 07:05
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Isn't Conservative policy to limit immigration to 100k p/a? And May consistently failed to meet targets throughout her period as Home Secretary - in fact it grew on her watch. So immigration will continue as a fact of life after the GE/Brexit regardless of who or what you voted for. And take any stated targets with a pinch of salt, because they're never met previously. That's right wing politics - largely empty rhetoric.

May also come up with the dim idea of using intelligence sharing as a tool of negotiation in Brexit. Another position they'll probably need to climb down unless government feels comfortable jeopardising the safety of Brits holidaying or in residence on the continent.
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Ragnar_Lothbrook Posted on 21/04/2017 07:22

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From the Office of National Statistics:

'Immigration was estimated to be 596,000 in YE Sept 2016, (down 23,000 (not statistically significant) from YE Sept 2015); comprising 268,000 EU citizens, 257,000 non-EU citizens and 71,000 British citizens.'

Mmm, bit different to the 100k cap eh?

The Conservative Party - Tough on immigration.
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Don_K_Lasher Posted on 21/04/2017 07:59

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Mex is right there isn't a direct link between terrorism and Immigration but there is a link to the immigrant Muslim communities and second or third generation Islamists holding a British passport.

On the other hand turning a Blind eye to or even defending the growing existence of salafist/fundamental Islam in the UK by people ingrained in left wing dogma, is inflammatory and irresponsible.

Both sides confuse the argument by discussing peripheral issues like general border control or the majority of Muslims.

If the agreed problem is Radical Islamist Nationalism in the UK or EU imho it's time we should confront it, and stop confusing it with religious freedom or freedom of movement.

Please Note:I DKL resigned as the self elected AVFTT Prime Minister and will not be taking part in the June election
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pondman Posted on 21/04/2017 08:06

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In the interest of balance, lets not forget that it was a Labour PM (Blair) who changed a long standing policy on immigration and asylum, letting in huge amounts of immigrants during his terms in office. The Tory government prior to that had followed the restricted policy that was in place from the early 60`s.

The 100,000 target was a silly sound bite that was unenforceable, and immigration per se is not necessarily a bad thing.
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Curryman Posted on 21/04/2017 08:16

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'Not a threat from abroad. Never has been except in the fevered imagination of Daily Mail readers.'

Wiz, I'm surprised you have fallen into the trap of painting everyone with the same brush, ie:
All Daily Mail Readers are brainwashed fools;
All Muslims are terrorists;
All Brexit Out voters are racist;
All Guardian readers are educated and well informed;
All immigration is bad.

I could go on but won't.[rle]

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