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FatBastard Posted on 19/04/2017 17:32
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Food for thought



Link: Read it and weep
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Farehamisblue Posted on 19/04/2017 17:48
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No surprises there then.
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SOPompey Posted on 19/04/2017 17:52
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interesting the highest % voted to increase season ticket prices by 40.

That would raise about half a mill per annum.

That would pay the interest on a 25 year mortgage of about 9,000,000. That would pay for a few repairs would it not?
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muschi Posted on 19/04/2017 17:56
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"Ultimately, it will be our shareholders and members who will vote to decide whether this, or any other bid for the club, is successful."

Members?
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City_View Posted on 19/04/2017 18:08
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No great surprises although attitudes towards ticket prices seem at odds with willingness to buy further shares. I guess many will have responded before The News carried the interview with Eisner.
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DeepBlue Posted on 19/04/2017 18:17
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Which bit made you weep ?

All the responses are pretty much as expected I would have thought.

Hopefully Eisner will read it and take on board the fact that if he wants to win the PST vote he has got to do more about giving some real power tp the PST/HNWs.
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kentpompey Posted on 19/04/2017 18:20
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Well if he doesn't the deal will hit a brick wall . There needs to be compromises on both sides .
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oi_oi_saveloy Posted on 19/04/2017 18:51
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The toilet cleaner knows what it's all about.
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DeepBlue Posted on 19/04/2017 19:08
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Maybe. But there shouldn't any 'sides', other than what is best for the club.

If he calls our bluff I suspect the attraction of his money will still enable him to win the day, but it will tell us something about the character of the man.
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Pompey23 Posted on 19/04/2017 19:38
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Eisner wants 100% ownership and the PST want to hold on to abit of power.

Something has got to give... Just hope the PST don't compromise what is in the best interests of the club, 1/3 who answered the survey were not even season ticket holders!!

Shame the fan owned club doesn't listen to 11,500 season ticket holders but just have to trust that 51% of shareholders vote for what's best for PFC and not themselves.
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exgaffer Posted on 19/04/2017 19:42
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Most shareholders are also season ticket holders.

Those who dug deep to save the club should get the final say.

Without them there would have been no club to buy a season ticket from.
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stubby Posted on 19/04/2017 19:49
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Ex Gaffer
Just to clarify they all don't have season tickets
Out of the 1529 respondents only 934 were season ticket holders
151 didn't attend home games
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exgaffer Posted on 19/04/2017 20:04
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Well over half are season ticket holders then Stubby.

I repeat, without the shareholders there BE no seasdon ticket holders would there?
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Pompey23 Posted on 19/04/2017 20:27
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My concern is the views of some shareholders certainly on here but also now from the survey don't reflect that of many season ticket holders.

A fan ownership model is almost entirely reliant on the customers (season ticket holders). Anyone who has been to FP in the last 18 months will understand the pressure & expectations that are always put on this team and the resulting poisonous/lack of atmosphere that comes with it. Those Shareholders who think long term League 1/2 existence under our current ownership plan is the way forward need to get real, once season ticket sales drop that is game over. I would also question those fans willing the club to take long term loans to repair the stadium, it is obvious that under our current ownership we can't finance stadium repair without severely compromising our competitive edge, hence the board have been actively looking for outside investment.

The PST deserve eternal praise for what they achieved, but what they want (a stake) isn't going to happen,surely we can all see that, so will 51% think with their head?

This Eisner guy isn't Gaydamak senior, Al Mirage, Al Fahim or Chanrai! His CV stands up against some of the best business men on the planet, so I can only guess this negativity amongst certain shareholders stems from a hunger for control, in which case it turns me away from you lot.

Yes be cautious and wait for all information laid out before deciding but vote in the best interests of PFC and its fans.
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FatBastard Posted on 19/04/2017 20:30
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An ST guarantees you a seat for all home games..nothing else.
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exgaffer Posted on 19/04/2017 20:34
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'Yes be cautious and wait for all information laid out before deciding but vote in the best interests of PFC and its fans'.

This is starting to get ridiculous.

Why would people who shelled out their hard earned to save the club, with no thought of ever seeing their dosh again, do something that wasn't in the best interests of the club?

We are fans who were prepared to put our money where our mouths were ffs. We're not absentee landlords or something.

Without us there would have been no season tickets to buy would there?
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stubby Posted on 19/04/2017 20:43
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S O P
As many house owners have found to their cost.
Paying interest only mortgages means at the end of the loan period you dont own your home
So pay only the interest on 9 mill how will we repay that original 9 million Maybe our kids in 25yrs time will have to put in a few hundred with no return to save the club
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Pompey23 Posted on 19/04/2017 21:34
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Ex gaffer, firstly posters on here who are (supposed) shareholders have already indicated they will reject this man before further information has been provided, some even hold PFC to randsom and want profit on their shares, that is a concern and goes against the clubs best interests at this time, why should us 'ordinary' fans not care about this??!! We are after all the majority.

Secondly we all appreciate what the PST has done for this club, but let us not forget the ST holders who year on year put our 'money where our mouth is' without who this business model would fail immediately!! Respect must be mutual!!

Football doesn't wait for anybody so if you want to continue patting each other on the back then be left behind. The more communication I have with shareholders the more convinced I am that the future of PFC doesn't belong in their hands.


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FatBastard Posted on 19/04/2017 21:39
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Lol...too late..

And as has already been said without us there was no club.

And I'd still like the same offer as the Presidents when it comes to pay out time.
Take the missus on the holiday we missed because I bought a shared instead.
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Pompey23 Posted on 19/04/2017 21:42
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We will see...

Good luck getting profit on your share FatB[cr][cr][cr]

You will soon be out [^]
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FatBastard Posted on 19/04/2017 21:44
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I wouldn't be too sure of that..[;)]

Seems to me it's in the balance waiting for Mr Eisner to tip it in his favour.
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Pompey23 Posted on 19/04/2017 21:47
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Pipe dream FatB Pipe dream.
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SOPompey Posted on 19/04/2017 21:49
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Stubby that's a standard repayment mortgage not an endowment. So value of debt goes down over term of agreement.
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FatBastard Posted on 19/04/2017 21:52
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I can only imagine you're one of the cheerleaders for Mr Eisner that have been appearing on some message boards.

Do you work for a PR company by any chance?
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exgaffer Posted on 19/04/2017 22:50
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Pompey23, I'm a season ticket holder and have been for many years. I'm also a shareholder.

As a season ticket holder I just guarantee my seat for the season, that's it. I go to every game, so I buy a season ticket.

Buying a season ticket makes you a paying customer, it does not give you a share in the club.

Shareholders should have the say because they saved the club so that people could buy season tickets to watch the team.

HNW shareholders put in a lot more than me, so they should have more of a say, that's just the way it is.

Obviously all the shareholders are also fans, so they will act in what they see as the best interests of the club.

If season ticket holders wanted a say in when and how the club is sold (if indeed it is), they should have bought a share or joined a share syndicate in the club's hour of need.

The fact that season ticket holders are more numerous than shareholders is completely irrelevant.

It doesn't matter how convinced you are about anything, the future of the club IS in the hands of the shareholders at this moment.
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Gilles_de_itsywitsyteenyweenyyellowpolkadotbikini Posted on 20/04/2017 05:25
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Brilliant idea from SOPompey. Charge 40 extra for season tickets and take out a 9m loan. The only slight foreseeable problems with this being:

*ten percent of season ticket holders that are PST members might be willing to pay 40 more, 90% who are not pst members may not be.
*Children, students and OAPs on low incomes will not willingly pay over and above to fund loan repayments
*ticket prices are already set, and will remain set, at the level the board believe will maximise income.
*most players will have a promotion wage increase built into their contract
*the out of contract players we want to retain will demand more money
*better quality signings for higher leagues cost more money
*we just about break even as it is without paying back any loans
*lower-league football is a precarious business and banks will charge loans accordingly
*we won't be able to get a 25 year loan and the fees and interest rates will be high
*A 9m loan still leaves us 20-30m short of a modern stadium.
*there is an alternative on the table that doesn't involve sinking into debt
*a huge loan leaves no money to improve the academy
*it assumes we'll continue to operate at 90%+ capacity for the next twenty five years. History would suggest this is nonsense.
*it assumes a new Milton End and patched up main stands will generate significant new income streams. It won't. Fleetwood, Bury, Oldham etc will still be bringing the same half-dozen caravans down with them.
*Any large loan will require FP as collateral, again putting the future of the club at risk.

But yeah, other than that it's an amazing idea...

To again reiterate: There is no way the current model can deliver a modern, functioning football stadium. End of debate.


* As an aside, going by that it seems that all Eisner has to do is offer the PST a token place on the board to appease numpties like DeepBlue and he's sorted.
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cunninglinguist Posted on 20/04/2017 06:28
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To again reiterate: There is no way the current model can deliver a modern, functioning football stadium. End of debate

I don't believe that and I'm sure the board don't either. I obviously know it wouldn't be easy and I'm sure the board are aware of the difficulties too but to say there is no way.......
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Gilles_de_itsywitsyteenyweenyyellowpolkadotbikini Posted on 20/04/2017 06:44
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Sorry, I should have qualified that with feasible/realistic. If the. Board believe it's possible why hasn't it been auctioned and why are they behind this bid? Lower league clubs can't just magic up 30-40m out of thin air, nor do they generate enough income to repay a loan worth even a quarter of that amount. The fans.s that raised 2.5m to save the club from extinction aren't going to raise 10-15x that amount to sort out the stadium, so unless I'm missing something, there is no feasible/realistic way the current model can deliver a modern, functioning stadium. End of debate again.
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FatBastard Posted on 20/04/2017 07:29
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So you have it from the horses mouth that they are behind this bid..because there's a lot of conspiracy theorists who say they aren't.

Time will tell.
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stubby Posted on 20/04/2017 07:39
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Sop
Sorry thought your original post said pay the Interest on 9 million?
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stubby Posted on 20/04/2017 07:39
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Sop
Sorry thought your original post said pay the Interest on 9 million?
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Gilles_de_itsywitsyteenyweenyyellowpolkadotbikini Posted on 20/04/2017 07:41
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If they weren't Eisner would have been given the same response as the other parties Carlin said have shown an interest.
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FatBastard Posted on 20/04/2017 08:17
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But this time Birch must have said this will have to go to a vote whereas the others couldn't supply proof of funds.
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pompeyandpoor Posted on 20/04/2017 08:30
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So if certain HNW's are not behind the bid then why has IM said that Eisner is a good guy listen to what he has to offer? ( according to the snooze interview)
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FatBastard Posted on 20/04/2017 08:46
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Because he only said listen..once it was given the ok by Birch then the board have Directors Duties that say they have to act in the best interest of the club, not themselves.
Better to let everyone see that they are being transparent and put it to the wider audience to have their say.
That's democracy.
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Gilles_de_itsywitsyteenyweenyyellowpolkadotbikini Posted on 20/04/2017 08:51
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PFC are a private company though, not a democracy. If the board don't think this deal is in the best interests of PFC then they can reject it out of hand. The thoughts of Trevor Birch are irrelevant.
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exgaffer Posted on 20/04/2017 08:53
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Dead right Gilles, democracy has nothing to do with it.
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FatBastard Posted on 20/04/2017 08:56
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Obviously they are otherwise why bring him in as a buffer to filter out the tyre kickers?
And we are a kind of democrary as it requires a simple 50% + 1 vote to allow the sale of the PST shares.
A private owner would not put it to the vote .
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Gilles_de_itsywitsyteenyweenyyellowpolkadotbikini Posted on 20/04/2017 09:03
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they've chosen to bring in Birch because they are open to selling the club. If they didn't want to sell they can reject all bids and Birch doesn't come into it. If the board wish to sell the question of pst shares gets put to the pst. You were saying you don't think the board are in favour of selling; if this was true the option to sell wouldn't be put to the pst.
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Pompey23 Posted on 20/04/2017 10:35
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It is almost laughable that people like FatB have any kind of say in our club, clearly out of your depth. Gilles has ripped you apart there and all you can argue is that PFC is a democracy?! ITS A BUSINESS!! The sooner you are removed the better.

No owner is going to accept a PST stake after the takeover, why can't people see that?

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Gooders Posted on 20/04/2017 11:04
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They brought Birch in because this is the first serious player who has funding in place and a cv to boot.

Does not mean for one moment the Board want to sell to him. Any board of a bzns has a duty to listen to offers if it is in the best interest of the shareholders first and foremost, however as football is an emotive bzns it will aslo come down to what is in best interest of the Club long term.
Terms of reference etc has to be sorted out first.

Maybe the board will recommend, maybe not when the 70 day exclusivity is up.

But they still will need the PST onside to carry the day if the Board backs ME.

And as for pompey23 comments from you ridiculing fellow pompey fans for having a belief/viewpoint different to you is pathetic.

There is no right or worng answer to any of this yet because we have not ahd all the facts presented, people are just expressing their current stance/take as they see it. Once all details are released that is where decisions will be taken and voted on.
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Gilles_de_itsywitsyteenyweenyyellowpolkadotbikini Posted on 20/04/2017 11:09
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The board have rejected other offers. Therefore, they can reject this one too if they want to. Without the approval of the HNWs the bid is dead in the water anyway, so it's safe to assume they've all been contacted and an amount of them needed to reach the YES threshold in conjunction with the PST are in favour of selling.
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fuba Posted on 20/04/2017 11:11
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Non-leveraged finance (no debt) is surely the _best_ way to fund team-building and development of Fratton Park.

Should the Eisner bid be acceptable and non-leveraged, and I imagine (hope) it will be, then the PST would be wise to sell up at the agreed rate, rather that get hooked on self-indulgent reminiscing. The PST's job is done. Well done too. They'll get their money back. Time to move on up the leagues and sort out Fratton Park. Let PFC be the best it can be.
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hammie9 Posted on 20/04/2017 11:32
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be the best it can be by risking the future of the club maybe? Who will own the ground/land? Will they be able to sell it later? Will they be able to ell it to someone else in the future who could leave us like Orient an all the other clubs down the years including Pompey? The devil will be in the detail not the headline figures
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Pedalo_menders Posted on 20/04/2017 11:35
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I can understand why people are nervous about handing over the club after all the sh;t we've had funneled down our throats.

Id encourage people to do their own research on Eisner and make up their own mind based on what is being offered.

I think we would need some sort of safety net with regards to the LT future of PFC. The question is whether the Heritage board addresses that.
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muschi Posted on 20/04/2017 15:24
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In concerne me greatly that from that listing 4 people dont know if they are share holders or not [rle]
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FatBastard Posted on 20/04/2017 15:34
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Gilles..the other offers were asked for proof of funds...they all then disappeared into the sunset.
Basically tyre kickers.
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Pompey_in_Derby Posted on 20/04/2017 23:39
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Much of the takeover debate has become polarised. Either pro-Eisner and aim for the Premier League/Championship (with the head) or pro-PST representation but wallow in the lower leagues forever (with the heart).

Surely there's a third option with a longer-term perspective?

If the PST shareholders vote 'No' this would send out a very clear signal to potential investors in football clubs that Pompey really do offer a unique opportunity for an investor with a social/community conscience.

It may help to bring such a potential investor to the negotiating table.

Let's consider the fact there are 15 million millionaires in the USA alone and 2,000+ billionaires. If Eisner refuses to include PST representation at Board level then there are so many other potential new owners out there, one of whom may consider working in partnership with the PST. As a debt-free League One club we are already a much more attractive investment opportunity than we were just a few weeks ago.
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Gilles_de_itsywitsyteenyweenyyellowpolkadotbikini Posted on 21/04/2017 04:19
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And what planet do you envisage this happening on?
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FatBastard Posted on 21/04/2017 08:25
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If you don't try you'll never find out.


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pompeyhighlander Posted on 21/04/2017 11:53
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Thank goodness Eisner isn't a fat German tax dodger with liver disease.
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blueinbrum2 Posted on 21/04/2017 17:27
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Sorry PiDerby but the truth is billionaires don't come calling at Fratton Park too often. Think a dose of reality is prescribed. If Michael Eisner isn't welcomed aboard presumably those who vote him down will be our plan B and will be ready to put their hands in their pockets. Deeply!
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Pompey_in_Derby Posted on 21/04/2017 21:30
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Did I say we needed a billionaire?

There are around 100,000 people out there with at least $50m.

Does anyone really believe that not one of them would be willing to partner the PST to top up the funds needed for a staged redevelopment of FP?
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Norse-returns Posted on 21/04/2017 21:33
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Nope PID, we only want billionaires at this humble salt-of-the-earth club.

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