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Dr_Drake_Ramoray Posted on 17/07/2017 22:01
Gestede and Stuani
 
 
Hmm, wondering about these two. Will they be moved on or used as back up? Squad players? different options?! Both on good wages so can imagine trying to squeeze them out.
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Jumpingjack Posted on 17/07/2017 22:02

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We need to move them on, get them off the wage bill, both solid players and will do a job for someone.
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Heine Posted on 17/07/2017 22:04

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Long old season going to need 4 strikers
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coluka Posted on 17/07/2017 22:07

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Gestede is terrible why Gibson sanctioned that i will never ever understand, Stuani less so as he scores goals. He is no RW though
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JLBR2301 Posted on 17/07/2017 22:09

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Well Karanka claimed he didn't want him, so maybe Gibson went as far as actually picking him ala Rhodes?
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Dr_Drake_Ramoray Posted on 17/07/2017 22:10

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Could imagine someone coming in for Stuani. Gestede, not sure about. He'll be on a good whack as he was signed on Prem wages.
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FrozenHorse Posted on 17/07/2017 22:10

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Happy to have Gestede due to his excellent championship record and his offering something different.

Stuani offers some versatility, but I can't see him getting a look in up front, and I don't like him wide.
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boro19 Posted on 17/07/2017 22:11

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I think we may need Gestede if we are chasing a game and need a goal he could come on for last 20 mins where we are chucking the ball into the box.
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JLBR2301 Posted on 17/07/2017 22:13

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Think we need to keep both. Assombalonga and Bamford have had their injury problems in recent years. We'd be terribly unlucky to lose both for a prolonged period, but better safe than sorry.
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borobadge Posted on 17/07/2017 22:16

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you keep em both.

remember ...PLAN B !


others out well before them, their time will be decided come January.
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jack31439 Posted on 17/07/2017 22:17

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Assombalonga/Gestede
Braithwaite/Downing
Ramirez/Bamford
Traore/Stuani

Soisalo and Chapman the kids on the verge. Best forward line in the Championship.
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HolgateCorner Posted on 17/07/2017 22:18

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Our best period under McLaren was when we had four good strikers.

Gstede will be good for us against big teams.

Stuani is a bit of a midfielder come striker and has a knack of getting a few goals.

I hope they all stay but you can't help but think there will have to be a bit of trimming somewhere.
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borodrew Posted on 17/07/2017 22:19

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Don't see it as a problem because stuani and bamford can both be used in the 3 behind.

If downing goes we have braithwaite ramirez traore howson? potentially for those positions. surely more?

Unless I am forgetting players thats not particularly a lot. Maybe at times bamford will be right, traore might have to go left etc due to injuries.

2 players who can only play striker and nowhere else. Assomba and Gestede.
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Dr_Drake_Ramoray Posted on 17/07/2017 22:25

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Kind of have one eye on the wage bill here though. If they were on peanuts, probably agree. Can see the logic in keeping Gestede (even though I'm not a fan of his) but Stuani less so. We have so many options now in the area he plays.

Anyway, nice dilemma to have! Ojo next and we should be up and away!!!!
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vuvuzelas Posted on 17/07/2017 22:27
Edited On: 17/07/2017 22:28
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I think Stuani will do a decent job up front if given a run of games. Hes not going to get near our forward line unless we hit a run of injuries.

It would be interesting to see how he does if he went out on loan to notger championship club.
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Boro_Legend Posted on 17/07/2017 22:27

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Both could be gone and the player we signed from watford.
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glover_elbow Posted on 17/07/2017 22:32

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The throw the big man gestede on for last twenty doesnt work. We should get rid I think he's that bad I would happy to loan him sunderland. I like stuani and think he will be a useful squad member adain
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Dr_Drake_Ramoray Posted on 17/07/2017 22:34

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I keep forgetting about Guediora! Or maybe I just want to forget about him... [xx(]
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UKLL1981 Posted on 17/07/2017 22:36
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I'd keep Gestede, he has a proven record in this division and offers something a bit different due to his size and aerial ability. The championship season is a long slog, we will get injuries and suspensions, if we do play 2 up front we will need depth. The ability to throw Gestede on when we are struggling to break teams down that park the bus or on a cold mid winter away day on a terrible pitch shouldn't be underestimated. Some times you just need to win ugly and grind out a result, if that's long balls up to a Gestede then so be it.

Assombalonga, Bamford, Braithwaite and Gestede, really happy with that lot, loads of options, depth and different types of striker. Envy of the championship. Now let's get a couple of wingers!
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Boromart Posted on 17/07/2017 22:36

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I can see Gestede forming a good pairing with Assombalonga in a 4-4-2, but I think that will only happen if we are chasing games.
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Wanderingstar Posted on 17/07/2017 22:37

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Throw Gestede on for the last twenty, to show how disinterested he is, like Swansea away, useless lump, cannot believe he was signed
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FrozenHorse Posted on 17/07/2017 22:37

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"The throw the big man gestede on for last twenty doesnt work."

Why do you say that?

He's not a PL player, but we're not in the PL

44 championship goals: 1 every 156 minutes for Cardiff, Blackburn and Villa in that league.
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viv_andersons_nana Posted on 17/07/2017 22:39
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Unless someone offers what the club paid for them then why not keep hold of them. They could be useful options. People will take the p*ss but Stuani is a Uruguayan international attacker and Gestede got 20(ish?) goals for Blackburn not so long back. Neither of them are world-beaters, or anything like it, but they might be useful to have in the squad at times. The manager will need a big squad, IMO. When Robbo took us up in '98 he finished the season with Beck, Armstrong, Merson, Branca and Ricard with Hignett and Gascoigne behind. AK had Nugent, Rhodes, Stuani, Ramirez, Downing and Adomah to choose from.

You can't expect the manager to go into a season with Bamford, Assombalonga and Braithwaite and nowt else. As I say, if we get offered good money and can replace them with better players then by all means let them go. But you can't decimate an entire playing staff in one summer.

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JLBR2301 Posted on 17/07/2017 22:44

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UKLL you know the score.
the championship isn't all about those sunny August/September games on newly laid pitches.
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Torslander Posted on 17/07/2017 22:46

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With luck, we'll have a front four of:

Assombalonga

Ojo Braithwaite Bamford

Since those three can move positions, we've got a lot of flexibility. And that's before you consider Traore (if he stays), Ramirez (if he stays) and Stuani (who can play on either wing or up front). Loads of pace, mobility and versatility.

The less said about Gestede, the better. The residual dregs of hope I had for him evaporated after that amazing open-goal miss in the last minute against Swansea - the one thing he's supposed to be good at.
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JLBR2301 Posted on 17/07/2017 22:50

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Fabianski was stood in the middle of the goal.
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Dr_Drake_Ramoray Posted on 17/07/2017 22:56

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Stuani can NOT play on the wing!
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Borocelt Posted on 17/07/2017 23:20

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I reckon Stuani will stay as he can play off the main man. I think he'll be used on the wing, and lets face it, he's proven in this division. Gestede, dunno. He might be back up to Assombalonga. He might move on.
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bear66 Posted on 17/07/2017 23:23

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Stuani has looked good in the two friendlies.
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coluka Posted on 17/07/2017 23:26

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He has bear66 [^]

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GusboroughSteve Posted on 17/07/2017 23:35

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"Our best period under McLaren was when we had four good strikers."

I think it was 6
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HolgateCorner Posted on 17/07/2017 23:45

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Yes it may well have been 6 but I was thinking of Jimmy, Viduka, Maccarone and Yakubu.
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JLBR2301 Posted on 17/07/2017 23:51

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The season we finished 7th we had Hasselbaink, Viduka, Job and Christie.
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r00fie1 Posted on 17/07/2017 23:52

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5 up front.
Like returning to the 1950s[^]
UTMB!!!
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viv_andersons_nana Posted on 17/07/2017 23:59

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And Nemeth.
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kenna Posted on 18/07/2017 00:19

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I like Stuani. He goes about his business without complaint even when playing out of position. Great in the six yard box. Hope we keep him.

Never forget his goals against the mackems and more importantly Brighton.

Gestede ........ meh !
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SimonDavidWilliamson Posted on 18/07/2017 08:31

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gestede is schite
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glover_elbow Posted on 18/07/2017 08:42

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would love to see gestede go and another striker signed
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Chappy112 Posted on 18/07/2017 08:54

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Don't really want Gestede to leave when he could actually be very useful this season. Not bothered if Stuani leaves if he's still going to be played on the right.
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jiffy Posted on 18/07/2017 09:21

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They are both still needed.

This is the championship now - 46 league games and regularly a game midweek so we need to rotate even without the problems of injuries and suspensions.

Its at the back now where we are looking short of numbers at central defence.
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MaggieThatcherRules Posted on 18/07/2017 09:27

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frozen horse,

Throw him on for the last 20?

1 in 156 mins.

8 Times you bring him on, 7 times he won't score?

I doubt we will be in a position where we need a late goal in 16 games next season. So we keep playing the useless cnuts wages for one late goal?

Rid of him now. I'd much rather give one of the U23's a chance as a late sub.
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FrozenHorse Posted on 18/07/2017 09:30

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1 goal every 156 minutes is excellent goal scoring: better than one ever 2 full games.

We've just spent £15 million on a guy who scores a championship goal every 150 minutes, and I don't believe those extra 6minutes are that important.

I think you also need to remember that he doesn't have to score to make a difference.
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MaggieThatcherRules Posted on 18/07/2017 09:51

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I know it's good record, but the bulk of that was in a gung ho blackburn side.

Only time will tell if assombolonga will be good value. But he looks so much better than gestede.

I also know that you don't have to score to make a difference. Thing is. he is fcuking useless, he can barely stay on his feet.

He has a knack of being somewhere near the ball without actually challenging for it in the air. Complete opposite to Negredo who won everything in the air, lots of times when he had no right to win.

On the whole, he is terrible on the floor, and he is nowhere near as good as he should be in the air.

In addition to the above, the last 6 six seasons, the teams he has played for have struggled badly. He just seems to be in the habit of losing.

No coincidence.

Bad Bad footballer that rightly won't be anywhere near the starting 11. Keeping him on his ridiculous wages, bench warming is ludicrous.
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HotshotMFC Posted on 18/07/2017 09:56

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"I reckon Stuani will stay as he can play off the main man. I think he'll be used on the wing, and lets face it, he's proven in this division."

I think I've seen enough of Stuani. Please let him go. We do not need awful reminders of last season.
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FrozenHorse Posted on 18/07/2017 09:57

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"Thing is. he is fcuking useless, he can barely stay on his feet."

So how has he managed to score 44 championship goals in a relatively small amount of game time?

Take out his one outstanding season at Blackburn: he still averages a goal at a rate of below 180 minutes per goal, which is very good.

I've seen him play 1 championship match, and he scored in that.
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atypical_boro Posted on 18/07/2017 10:24

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Can't see the point in getting rid of these two, they'll be 3rd/4th choice.

Neither will be on very big bucks I don't think, and Gestede at least offers something a bit different to anyone else we have from the bench.

Stuani, although mostly ineffective, is a little bit versatile and can pop up with a goal occasionally.

We needed to change the starting XI and we are doing that, but in terms of squad reinforcements these two are ok, if we get rid we just have to sign more squad players and that feels like change for change's sake.
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MaggieThatcherRules Posted on 18/07/2017 10:28

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Not sure where you got the other season information, but if true, it shows that maybe he might be a plan B for someone, just not us, and not for his wages.

Take out the purple patch at Blackburn and he has 21 Goals in 155 appearances.

But as you say, it's not just about goals. The thing is, this is where he looks even worse, No skill, slow, no balance, no brain, cant pass, cant dribble, doesn't win enough as he should in the air, bad tackler, clumsy.

You could forgive him all this if he scored lots of goals. I just can't see him doing it. I honestly thought he was 5hite when he played up here and thought villa were signing a duck egg when they bought him. I was right.

According to bbc. Assombalonga was a goal every 130 Minutes last season. Which is significantly better.

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MaggieThatcherRules Posted on 18/07/2017 10:48

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id maybe keep stuani depending on his wages. As much as i dont rate him he does offer a bit more at championship level. has the nack of being in the right place at the right time.

any one know roughly what he is on?

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FrozenHorse Posted on 18/07/2017 10:49

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Not sure where you got the other season information, but if true, it shows that maybe he might be a plan B for someone, just not us, and not for his wages.

Take out the purple patch at Blackburn and he has 21 Goals in 155 appearances"

Got them from the link.

6883 championship minutes, 44 goals: 1 every 156.

In his hot season: 2700 minutes, 20 goals: 1 every 135 minutes.

A little maths shows his record, without that season, is

4183 minutes, 24 goal: 1 every 174 minutes.

I think minutes/goal is superior to games/goal as it can distinguish between the guy who plays 90 minutes and the guy who replaced him in injury time.

I think the stat you give is misleading as Gestede has made a lot of sub appearances.


Link: Link
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MaggieThatcherRules Posted on 18/07/2017 11:21

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He had a hot season and a half in that blackburn side.

I agree that generally the goals per minute is a superior method. I was using my figures to show that Gestede has indeed made lots of sub appearances.

I think the goals per minute stat is very misleading also whne you have a player making lots of sub appearances.

If the better players were only used as an "impact" sub, there goals per minute ratio would be much higher.

The most interesting stat would be how many goals he has got when he starts.

He is not a player I would ever want starting for us. He is horrendous value, big wages, sat on the bench.
Getting 20 minutes in the few games where we will be really desperate for a goal in the last 20 minutes.

I'd have him as about option C or D.
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Torslander Posted on 18/07/2017 11:56

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We can already play Assombalonga, Bamford and Braithwaite as a lone striker. Stuani could play there, but rarely does. That gives us four potential target men in the squad.

We don't need a fifth striker - and all this "Gestede's good in the air" guff doesn't tally with what I've seen during the last two seasons.
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MaggieThatcherRules Posted on 18/07/2017 11:57

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agreed
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Indeedido Posted on 18/07/2017 11:58

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I am hoping that some club is still desperate for a CF in late August and drops £5-6m for him.
He is a very very poor footballer and a waste of a good salary.
Think of him as having funded Howson if we manage to offload him as above.
I'd keep Stuani ahead of him, but would sell him too if it meant being able to bring in Ojo or another rapid wide man on loan.
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MaggieThatcherRules Posted on 18/07/2017 11:58

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waste of a spot in the squad.

Get him off the wage bill. surely some one would take him for free. We've thrown enough good money after bad.
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Dr_Drake_Ramoray Posted on 18/07/2017 12:35

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I'd let them both go personally and go for someone else, a bit younger and hungrier.
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