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Adi_Dem Posted on 17/07/2017 21:38
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There have been major questions posted about these two and the criticism has grown week on week probably since the January transfer window. Whilst some criticism might have been justified, the consistent question marks around Gibson's ambitions and intentions for the club and the attacks on Bausor's competence level have been unacceptable.

I hope that this transfer window serves to put both to bed. I'm not sure what more either could do to prove themselves. Outstanding.
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coluka Posted on 17/07/2017 21:40

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Did you not read my earlier post [^]
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Dr_Drake_Ramoray Posted on 17/07/2017 21:41

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Superb signing. Chuffed to bits.

Oh, and wearing a Nirvana tee shirt too! That boy ticks ALL the boxes! [^][^][^]
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nor_mate Posted on 17/07/2017 21:41

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Hats off to both. Superb.
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We_Will Posted on 17/07/2017 21:42

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Brilliant signings. Major question why did we not do it last season ?
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MrIsaac Posted on 17/07/2017 21:44

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Think ahead not behind

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Harbottle Posted on 17/07/2017 21:50

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Funny how Karanka blamed them for not getting his targets
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Bigjohnspens Posted on 17/07/2017 21:53

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Absolutely awesome, thanks to both. Big boost for the team, our fans and the area.
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ConwayTwitty Posted on 17/07/2017 22:01

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Well done to both of them....this is a fantastic signing...make no mistake. The club have shown their ambition and appetite for success is alive and well !!!
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coluka Posted on 17/07/2017 22:05

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Bit early to pull Gibson and Bausor trigger though Adi. Surprised you went nuclear so soon. I stand by my comments last season as i am sure others do. You were doing your job though so i understand, I stand by my comments this so far too [^]
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dooderooni Posted on 17/07/2017 22:20

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I've been vocal about the way the club was being run over the last half of the season gone. Although we're now going a long way to undoing those mistakes I still can't forget them and bemoan the missed opportunity to secure another season in the PL (and another year of parachute payments that survival would have brought).
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JLinardi Posted on 17/07/2017 22:22

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The better we do this summer the more of an absolute circus last season seems.
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wartle Posted on 17/07/2017 22:22

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Just highlights how much influence that idiot Orta had and how appallingly bad Karanka was.
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Adi_Dem Posted on 17/07/2017 22:26

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I haven't pulled any trigger col. I'm simply standing by the defence of both I put forward at the time against people that didn't have the requisite knowledge to make the comments they were making, like you. You were wrong in what you were saying then and you're wrong to stand by those comments now. Criticism of outcome is one thing, question competence and ambition on the basis of outcome is wrong.

Not sure what the 'doing your job' comment is all about but hey ho.
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dooderooni Posted on 17/07/2017 22:26

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Behave wartle, the January signings we made wouldn't have been seen as ambitious even if we were in the Championship.

As much as I rate Bamford, he was clearly an investment for this season and not one that would have kept us up.
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BoroFur Posted on 17/07/2017 22:28

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Great night to be a Boro fan. No need for anybody to fall out over news like this [^]
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wartle Posted on 17/07/2017 22:28

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What?

Look at last pre-season and the players Orta brought in. Explain Gestede and Guediora.

Bamford begged to come here.
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viv_andersons_nana Posted on 17/07/2017 22:34

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Fair play to both of them for delivering what appear to be several key targets. To get Howson, Braithwaite and Assombalonga done and dusted long before August 31st, and with plenty of pre-season left, is impressive work.

The appointment of Monk seemed to be fairly low-key but I can't be the only one feeling quite excited about the upcoming season now. Bamford, Assombalonga and Braithwaite could be quite the attacking trio for Boro.

Roll on August 5th.
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HolgateCorner Posted on 17/07/2017 22:35

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Yes and the Karanka regime was very successful for about 3 years, in time we will look back on it as a great period.

We needed change after last seasons experimental 'on the cheap' players failed and Gibson has given us that change.

Hopefully he has learnt from going down under Southgate that to bounce back you need to invest properly.

Let's hope these signings live up to the promise but the backbone of our team does look very strong.
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JLinardi Posted on 17/07/2017 22:45

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Did we do last season 'on the cheap' though?

It seemed to be more the 'big name' glamour signings, despite having no fee negredo and valdes would have cost a fortune.

What I thought we were going to do and what I hope we do if we get promoted is go for the up coming players with a point to prove. People like chalobah, rashford, fredericks those type of players.

Teams like city, Utd, Chelsea etc are absolute rammed full of players with huge potential who will never get a game for those teams.

Chalobah, loftus-cheek, Michael Keane, Kieran Gibbs etc should all be obtainable by a premiership team willing to make the investment and take the risk, these are just examples of names but there will be plenty more like them by the time we're promoted again.
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TheHolgate Posted on 17/07/2017 22:51
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Whoever is responsible for our recruitment last summer deserves massive criticism, it was absolutely horrendous. Personally I don't believe Gibson or Bausor had any say in the players we brought in last summer.

What they have done is identify that Orta was totally out of his depth and promptly gave him the boot. For that they deserve a huge pat on the back.

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RedSteptoe Posted on 17/07/2017 22:51

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Maybe they just did'nt fancy all Aitor targets , a fair % will have been foreigners, maybe they prefer British ....... the pc brigade, may callme racist now ?
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coluka Posted on 17/07/2017 22:52

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No Adi I was right to criticise strongly and I praised before being suggested I should. Gibson himself admitted his mistakes so why pretend they did not exist.

The comment was because I guess you work in some way with a Gibson Oneil company in some way, lets not pretend. I respect you though nevertheless despite the neverdoeswrong stance

We all want the same thing remember, never forget that.
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Adi_Dem Posted on 17/07/2017 23:05

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You don't know what you're on about col I'm afraid.

I don't work in any company linked in any way to Gibson. I certainly don't have a neverdoeswrong stance. You're simply not reading what I write properly if that's what you think. And finally you didn't just criticise strongly. You and others went far beyond that and questioned competences that you had no knowledge whatsoever of. That was the problem. Criticism is fine.
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coluka Posted on 17/07/2017 23:18

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Your turn to be wrong Adi. Still I stand by my positive comments. I really dont understand why you dont acknowledge his wrongdoings he does afterall.

Your defence is over the top you may think my criticism was, but i was in there to congratulate and praise where due too. I calll it as i see it. I am honest as the day is long. Sometimes people dont like honesty hey ho.

Your defence of things last season was ott but you have your reasons i am sure. Lets start the season with a clean slate and recognise Gibson said he would put right his mistakes. He is doing and well done to him. I am sure you would support that
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Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 17/07/2017 23:21

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We knew where last season's problems were. They've been shipped off to Spain and Yorkshire.

Bausor, like Lamb before him, took flack from the numpties on here who daren't question Gibson's judgement.

Hopefully he's got it right this time, far too early to celebrate yet but we appear to be making the right early moves.

If we get the start the Geordies got last year Bausor will be in for more stick.
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Borocelt Posted on 17/07/2017 23:22

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It's easier for us to get our targets when we're paying whopping great money in the Championship. We're a relatively big fish in this division.

A whole other level in the Premiership.
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coluka Posted on 17/07/2017 23:23

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Ctc still delusional and in denial, how is 1971 [:P]
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Barnsy Posted on 17/07/2017 23:26

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'. the pc brigade, may callme ...'

Oh crikey, here we go, another Sun reader.
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coluka Posted on 17/07/2017 23:28

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Barnsy, there is a call on line 911 for you [:D]
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Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 17/07/2017 23:29

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In denial, Col?

They've been shown the door, and with good reason.

Are you still struggling with it?
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coluka Posted on 17/07/2017 23:35

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No ctc i live in the modern world that understands how the club is run. AK was rightly dismissed when he lost the players. However, he was not the only problem in the end. He was hung out to dry in january by a chairman who was like a rabbit in the headlights. Maybe it was a lucky outcome. Lets see what happens this season and stop bringing up the past eh
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wombledon Posted on 17/07/2017 23:42

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We've done some excellent business so far, signing players with attributes the squad needed.

My only concern is who leaves.

If we keep our best players and sell some fringe players, then Gibson, Bauser and Monk deserve all the credit for giving us the best chance possible to succeed.
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Adi_Dem Posted on 17/07/2017 23:43

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Maybe I'm not writing it correctly col but you don't appear to be capable of grasping it. I'll repeat it one more time for you. I've criticised Gibson and the club very often over the years. Most recently for the way in which the Karanka sacking was handled. I haven't a clue why you can't accept that and continue to post about what you think I have written rather than what I have actually written. My 'defence' wasn't over the top. It was bang on the money and remains so.

I don't think your criticism was over the top either. I think it was ill informed, foot stamping nonsense that you weren't qualified to say and certainly couldn't support objectively. Questioning the amount spent when you didn't know how much had been spent and questioning the competence of someone whose day to day work you didn't have a clue about was plainly nonsense.
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nowthen Posted on 17/07/2017 23:53

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Gibson brought Orta to the club. He suggested Orta to Karanka. Gibson was the ring reader of the circus last season.

We've made a good signing today, a very good signing.
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coluka Posted on 17/07/2017 23:53
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You always have your agenda Adi and that is to support Gibson and Bausor et al until they criticise themselves. Then you criticise as some defence of your previous support [:D] No worries but it does stand out i did not question based purely on outcome btw, it was on process to. I was one of the few that said our recruitment was poor at the start. You wont acknowledge my calling lack of pace was right and certain players were poor buys when i and others did.

Lol, though, you still like a put down, i understand lots, but no worries either, it does not help thatyou seem to enjoy one upmanship, you do like to look the bigger man hey ho. You dont accept olive branches very often, do you or if you do you occasionally choose to just ignore them. Maybe one day you will, i aint going back in time to replicate the past here though. Chin chin, lets look forward not backward, i am trying to. See my posts before your thread about Gibson, recruitment etc [^]
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r00fie1 Posted on 17/07/2017 23:55

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"Chuffed to bits".
Me an all[^]
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BoroBen92 Posted on 17/07/2017 23:58

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Does the board really need another slinging match?
It's been a good day for the Boro, and now is the time to slate Wartle.
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Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 18/07/2017 00:20

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'modern world'

You're not modern, you're maturing slower than you should.

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coluka Posted on 18/07/2017 00:22

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[:D]
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SimonDavidWilliamson Posted on 18/07/2017 06:22

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Credit where credit is due some exceptional business to date this summer, Gibson ill fated comment might not seem as silly now, it's down to monk and his team to do there job.

Agree wiTh making last summer seem like a circus, Gibson got totally hoodwinked by victor orta and Karanka what the XXXXXX.
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1finny Posted on 18/07/2017 07:19

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Gibson phuked up royally last season

He has put his money where his mouth is so far this season

Lets call it a score draw
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UAUA Posted on 18/07/2017 07:22

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Adi in "creating an argument out of thin air" shocker.
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GraftLikeNegredo Posted on 18/07/2017 07:49

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I wonder if he is still doing things "on the cheap"!

[?]
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coluka Posted on 18/07/2017 07:56
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He certainly is pulling out all the stops and showing he has learned from last summers mistakes. Monk is a very lucky man to be supported like he is. Its a shame it didnt happen last summer but onwards and upwards.

Lets not forget though that we could yet sell Gibson and De Roon and have a low net spend if not profit. Nevertheless recruitment supported by the chairman is looking far healthier this time around. Still need 3 players minimum though assuming Gibson stays. When i say 'we' i mean Gibson.
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Adi_Dem Posted on 18/07/2017 08:13

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You're doing it again coluka. Just making stuff up. I now have an agenda and support them until they criticise themsevles apparently! Yet more rubbish. Stop just making XXXXXX up and I might take you more seriously.

I suggest you look back over the thread and read your first contribution before accusing others of oneupmanship, put downs etc etc.

You were disgusted by a lack of investment and questioned the day to day competence of someone you hadn't a clue about. That's what I took exception to, not the straw man you've created whereby I'm objecting to you putting forward constructive criticism. Take responsibility for what you said man.
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mwelolo Posted on 18/07/2017 08:13

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Adi talks up every transfer window as great business.
You have only to look at the last two debacles to see how much hot air this can be.

The proof of this window's business will be on rhe pitch.

It does look encouraging though. Last season's disaster seems to have spurred Mr Gibson on to drop some of the frugality and maybe even 'have a go' at last......
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heaton_mersey_boro Posted on 18/07/2017 08:30

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Last summers transfer window, on paper, looked pretty good.

On the pitch it was dreadful. Januarys even worse.

Its a wasted 2-3 years unfortunately, but onwards and upwards. Cant live in the past, but the future certainly looks positive (so far)

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mwelolo Posted on 18/07/2017 08:32

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It was clear that last season 's dealings lacked creative quality before a ball was kicked.
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1finny Posted on 18/07/2017 08:37

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Heaton - a good summary [^]
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Adi_Dem Posted on 18/07/2017 08:49

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"Adi talks up every transfer window as great business."

Again, simply not true. I said just the opposite in January, but let's not let the truth get in the way of a good narrative. To describe last summer as 'frugal' is equally inaccurate, especially after having dropped so much money in the previous January. Some folk do like to re-write history don't they.

No surprise to see us spending money now that we've actually been paid it! Last season we received only a proportion of the PL money and had to fund transfers using secured debt funding against future income - not an easy task in today's environment. We lived within our means and 'had a go' in the context that Gibson described in his interview. Now we've actually been paid all our PL money, we can spend it. It's called sound financial management. I wonder how much the club should have spent before some fans would be satisfied.
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mwelolo Posted on 18/07/2017 08:57
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Adi you talked up Bamford, the invisible man from Watford and you sald Gestede may be just what we need.

Also I am not really sure that creating a situation whicg sees us relegated and missing out on a huge cash payout is extremely sound financial management.
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festa5 Posted on 18/07/2017 08:58

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How do we know monk wanted assombalonga?

I hope this isn't another 'unwanted gift' because as we all know the manager has no final say on transfers.

Another example of Gibson getting carried away and forcing players down the managers throat again.

When will we ever learn? [8D]
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coluka Posted on 18/07/2017 08:59

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Adi I always take responsibility, and i did use the word disgusted yes (strong disapproval). My views on our recruitment and who was ultimately responsible for what happened, sadly were right, you might disagree with my wording but Gibson admitted mistakes personally as well as collectively. You state I have not a clue, you state you are not close, yet you can criticise and say things without knowing yourself. Strange that. However I dont intend to take this thread where others have ended in the past. so will leave disagreement at that.

I have praised Gibson this summer. See above and Zorro's thread on Monk. He has kept to his word on recruitment and change so far and should be applauded for doing so. Long may it continue. Looking forward and enjoying the here and now is what matters not the past, except as a benchmark for learning.

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Adi_Dem Posted on 18/07/2017 09:35

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Once again col you're simply making stuff up and creating a straw man that doesn't exist.

Mwelolo doing the same. I was pleased we got Bamford, said Gestede might do a job but that I thought he was poor and that Guedioura was a more forward thinking midfielder than we had but that I knew little about him. That's it. Overall I said the transfer window was a huge disappointment. Quite how that equates to me talking up the transfer window is anyone's guess.

You're also confusing financial management with football management. We spent within our means. Those that made the decisions as to what to spend that money on clearly got it wrong but that in and of itself is not evidence of financial mismanagement.
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mwelolo Posted on 18/07/2017 09:48

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You spoke far more positively of the invisible man and you became critical of the January window's business well after the event.
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Adi_Dem Posted on 18/07/2017 10:01

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OK mwelolo, if you say so.
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1finny Posted on 18/07/2017 10:09

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'Last season we received only a proportion of the PL money and had to fund transfers using secured debt funding against future income - not an easy task in today's environment.'

Come on Adi, I know you like a good argument but, you do yourself no favours when you come up with this stuff.

They would have no problem at all raising capital on the back of guaranteed future income.


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Adi_Dem Posted on 18/07/2017 10:31

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Really? OK then! That's before you even get to whether they should do it, even if it were that easy.
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Indeedido Posted on 18/07/2017 10:45

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Very encouraging recruitment so far, mainly Assombolonga who I am really excited by.
I hope we are still so upbeat at the end of the window.

Gibson accepted the mistakes he made in the last 2 windows of abysmal recruitment. It appears Adi wants to rewrite history and pretend there was no problem with Gibson's leadership over the year to June 2017.
There was; Gibson has acknowledged it; so have most people.
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1finny Posted on 18/07/2017 10:51

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'That's before you even get to whether they should do it'

The 'should bit is a moot point
We don't know what would have happened had they spent some cash.
We know they didn't spend well and we got relegated.

The future looks brighter
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Adi_Dem Posted on 18/07/2017 11:20

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Agreed 1finny.

"It appears Adi wants to rewrite history and pretend there was no problem with Gibson's leadership over the year to June 2017."

Erm, nope. Once again I'm not the one re-writing history. I've said many, many times on here now that recruitment was poor, that the way in which Karanka's departure (and not replacing him) was handled was pathetically amateur. I'm not sure how that is my putting forward the notion that there was no problem with his leadership. Quite the opposite in fact. As I've said countless times before, what I took issue with was the accusation that he hadn't spent enough and had lost his ambition for the club, which was entirely inaccurate and without evidence. I further took issue with question marks on the competence of Bausor without any knowledge of what he does day to day. I stand by both of those statements 100%. Sorry indeedido, but I'm not the one re-writing history here.
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Indeedido Posted on 18/07/2017 11:44

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We didn't spend enough to stay up.
What we did spend, we spent badly.
Everyone seems to grasp it. Gibson certainly has.

Huddersfield have already nett spent more than we did across the whole season and there are 6 weeks in the window to go.
How have little Huddersfield managed to raise the finance given they supposedly don't get the Sky money until the end of the season?
Gibson royally screwed up last year. That is not re-writing history, it is just fact.
As for his motives, your opinion is no more or less valid than anyone else's and that is what you seem to have a problem with.
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Adi_Dem Posted on 18/07/2017 11:52

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I'm self evidently not the one with the problem here. I have no problem with you holding whatever opinion you like, I'm simply highlighting the flaws in your argument which are that firstly you haven't a clue what we spent or what we could achieve in terms of financing and yet are making a cast iron judgement on it as not 'enough, secondly that we didn't spend all that was made available in any event (which you seem to wrongly be pinning on Gibson) and thirdly that what we spent it on had little to do with Gibson (unless you think he was in charge of who we brought in of course?).

Your comparison with Huddersfield is equally bogus since you're focusing entirely on transfer fees, which is not only the wrong metric but also pretty meaningless as to success.

Whilst there is always a collective responsibility for these things, you have laid it all at Gibson's door without merit in my opinion for the reasons set out above. You also went further last season to use it as evidence that he was going to trouser all of the PL money by repaying all the club's debt to the parent. Do you accept that may not quite be the case now?
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Indeedido Posted on 18/07/2017 12:15

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I said that the Club would make a huge surplus on the year to 30 June 2017 and that they would flow this across Gibson O'Neill (the first year there would be such a flow)
This will reduce the liability of Club to Gibson O'Neill, effectively paying back some of the huge money owed to Gibson.

Lets wait and see what the Accounts say and also what the nett spend is at the end of this window.
Gibson has the funds from parachute payments to cover the wage bill and recruitment amortisation. I still think he will break even on nett transfers this season.

By the way to say transfer fees is "the wrong metric" is laughable. It is not the only metric, but wages follow fees.
Bournemouth and Watford spent more than double what we did two years ago and both have stayed up twice.
Burnely spent more than we did on promotion and stayed up.
We spent a nett pittance and spent it badly. We went down.
Yes you can spend big money and spend it badly and still go down, but one thing is clear and that is that nobody has spent less than we did and stayed up.

Gibson is accountable because he has complete control over everything at the Club.

You are the one with the problem Adi - you just can't help yourself. You keep on and on and on.
On everything.
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Adi_Dem Posted on 18/07/2017 12:48

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Says he that keeps on responding with the same points over and over, all the while failing to address the points actually raised!

That you think transfer fees are as good a metric as wage spend or carry the same financial implications says it all.

Happy to leave it at that. Enjoy your day.
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Indeedido Posted on 18/07/2017 13:00

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I entered your thread on about post 60.
This is my 4th post.
I said that there are a number of metrics.
The wage bill is a bigger drain on the finances than amortised transfer fees. But spending big on transfer fees will result in big wages for the players recruited. It also sets the tone for players already at the club.
BOTH transfer spend and wages are key metrics.

"Happy to leave it at that. Enjoy your day"
You don't leave anything. Go on see how long you can.
[:D]
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truck Posted on 18/07/2017 13:05

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As we seem to be all having 100% vision in hindsight, lets not forget the debt the club had prior to getting promoted and the effect of buying JR back in Jan that year.
It amazes me to hear fans saying clubs should be spending multi millions all over the place as though money grows on trees, even though the sky premier league money might seem like it.
so huddersfield are spending big, maybe they don't have the debt Boro have accrued from the big spending days and subsequent failure in the championship the managers and the transfers. How much a month was Gibson funding the club in the last championship season. £1m
He is funding the spending maybe as he knows if we don't go bouncing straight back up it could all unravel again. There will be some players leaving and it will be interesting to see what fees we receive, as we always seem to be buy high sell cheap.
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mwelolo Posted on 18/07/2017 13:11

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Both transfer fees and wages are clearly key metrics.

To suggest otherwise is silly.
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UAUA Posted on 18/07/2017 17:06

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"Happy to leave it at that."

Ha ha ha! Liar!
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