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parmoboy Posted on 19/06/2017 21:15
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Whilst I don't agree with everything Tommy has said or done, I think it's unfair that some are comparing him with Anjem Choudary.

Tommy started speaking up 13 years ago about the issues with regards to Islamic extremism in his hometown, and could foresee things getting much worse in the future. Tommy condemns the act of terror whilst Anjem Choudary repeatedly refused to and was encouraging support for Isis.
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flute_loop Posted on 19/06/2017 21:20
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Why? Only last week there was a thread about Tommy Robinson. A few posters seemed to take issue when he's called out for the blatent racist that he is. A simple Google or twitter search shows this. I fear I've just fallen for a troll but hey ho.
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caustic_wit Posted on 19/06/2017 21:24

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He says what the PC brigade turn a blind eye to. Posters like the above don't have a counter argument against what he says, which is fundementally built on common sense. So they use the racist label as it's easy to pull off.
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free_pint Posted on 19/06/2017 21:24

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Both far right extremists.

Both are constantly called out for their extremist views by the people they claim to represent.

Both have fanatical followers who have committed absolute atrocities.

Both absolute XXXXXXs.
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parmoboy Posted on 19/06/2017 21:24

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As I said I don't agree with everything he has said or done, and was never a fan of the EDL as a protest group, but I don't believe he is against all Mulsims, and rather Islam as an ideology.
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free_pint Posted on 19/06/2017 21:33

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I don't believe Hitler was against all Jews, just Judiasm as an ideology.
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free_pint Posted on 19/06/2017 21:33

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I don't believe Hitler was against all Jews, just Judiasm as an ideology.
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parmoboy Posted on 19/06/2017 21:37

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Has Tommy murdered any Muslims or called for the death of Muslims?
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Osboro Posted on 19/06/2017 21:44

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free pint, that's a really stupid comment[V]
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TheFair86 Posted on 19/06/2017 21:49

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The day what this utter racist chunt says is 'founded in common sense' is the day boro win the league without conceding a goal.

YOU think its common sense, and if YOU do, you are a blinkered chunt as well. The man is utter scum and anyone who defends him is as well.
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caustic_wit Posted on 19/06/2017 21:50

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"I don't believe Hitler was against all Jews, just Judiasm as an ideology".

Well I never, a lefty making sweeping generalisations because they can't reinforce their own argument, how weak.
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The_same_as_before Posted on 19/06/2017 21:52

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The right have the right to give their opinion, I may despise their views but the alternative to their right is wrong
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caustic_wit Posted on 19/06/2017 21:53

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"The day what this utter racist chunt says is 'founded in common sense' is the day boro win the league without conceding a goal.

YOU think its common sense, and if YOU do, you are a blinkered chunt as well. The man is utter scum and anyone who defends him is as well".

Anything to back that up more than just a load of shouty left wing rhetoric?.
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Muttley Posted on 19/06/2017 21:55

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"He says what the PC brigade turn a blind eye to"

What exactly?

It seems to be some sort of RWNJ myth that "lefties" in some way condone islamic terrorism, because we don't spit bile at every muslim on the planet we are in some way complicit with their ethos. Nothing could be further from the truth, but that won't stop them.

I'm not sure what you find more acceptable about white supremacist hate as opposed to islamic hate? What do you see when you look in the mirror?
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TheFair86 Posted on 19/06/2017 21:59

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"Anything to back that up more than just a load of shouty left wing rhetoric?"

Watch any of his videos mate. Some skinheads in the pub might agree with you but "common sense"? I think you will be hard pressed to provehis opinions are "common" except in RWNJ and BNP/UKIP circles.
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American_Mary Posted on 19/06/2017 22:15

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Why does he still feel the need to use an alias ?

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peterkay Posted on 19/06/2017 22:20

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One promotes the murder of Christian's and Jews the other opposes Radical/Wahabi Islam - spot the difference now
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foomanboro Posted on 19/06/2017 22:25

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Both are baiting for a religious / race war by trying to influence the most impressionable, vulnerable and the stupidest people in society...

... and by some of the crap that's been happening recently and the posts on this board... It is clearly working. [rle]
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sossage Posted on 19/06/2017 22:33

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"Why does he still feel the need to use an alias ?"

I've always wondered that; reminds me of Yusuf Islam. Although unlike Mr Islam, Tommy did not insist that someone be killed simply for writing a novel, but I've still got my eye on him.
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jam69 Posted on 19/06/2017 22:34

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Foo nailed it
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peterkay Posted on 19/06/2017 22:35
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What a load of rubbish Robinson said that the last 3 terrorist attacks would happen and he was right, how is that promoting a war[:o)] we have hate preachers at mosques encouraging jihad along with around 1000 brits who have been to Libya and Syria to fight for ISIS. Terrorist attacks will be a daily issue as you see and read in the news, God help us [xx(]
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Barnsy Posted on 19/06/2017 22:38

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'...PC brigade ...'

Predictable that some Dullard would use this term.
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American_Mary Posted on 19/06/2017 23:01

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Perhaps if he changes his name a third time like Mr Islam/Mr Stevens/Mr Georgiuo then he might call for the death of Roger Hargreaves.

To be fair as far as stage names go Tommy Robinson isn't up there with the likes of Cliff Richard, Elvis Presley, Bono or even Charlton Heston.

He needs to work on his stagecraft and come up with some better lyrics, maybe they could get Right Said Fred to help him out.
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flute_loop Posted on 19/06/2017 23:06

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Unfortunately I had the misfortune of seeing a video on Twitter of a very angry Mr Robinson threatening to clean out the islamic problem, the british public taking matters in to their own hands etc etc. Preaching the same sort of hate as the radicalised Islamist.
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DowningAlbion Posted on 19/06/2017 23:08

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I am left wing but I have to admit Tommy Robinson is a charismatic individual, i can understand why he gets the audience he does

I had never heard of him until I saw him on 24 hours in police custody set in Luton

Following that I watched some YouTube stuff. He is quite articulate and is careful not to cross the line into explicit racism in the videos, as far as I could tell
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sossage Posted on 19/06/2017 23:08
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"To be fair as far as stage names go Tommy Robinson isn't up there with the likes of Cliff Richard, Elvis Presley, Bono or even Charlton Heston. "

It's a bad name to be sure; I get him mixed up with the protege that Rocky Balboa mentored in Rocky V.

If he Imagines a world with no religion, as he claims to, then maybe he should have called himself Yoko Ono, or maybe Tommy Ono to be more sensible.

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American_Mary Posted on 19/06/2017 23:23

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Well he is a Yaxley-Lennon so there is maybe something in that, Aaron Lennon I've never seen at a temple but Neil was fairly pro-Catholic, I guess he's the religious nut in the family.

Tommy Ono is a better name and with that subtle change of name he could no longer be accused of racism as he would give himself a Japanese heritage.

He's not really thought this through and, I'm sorry, but if you can't sort out your stage name then I'm not sure you're the man to deal with multicultural harmony and racial symbiosis in Britain 2017 and beyond.

Is there a WDL, SDL, NIDL, IOMDL or SIDL or do you need to be English to join, mind Steve...I mean Tommy has turned his back on them now.
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parmoboy Posted on 19/06/2017 23:32

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"Both are baiting for a religious / race war"

Tommy has been fighting for the exact opposite from day one. He has been quoted time and time again saying that some of the best people he knows are Muslim, and he wants to live in a country where we live together in coexistence, but the issues he saw early on living in a town like Luton convinced him that living in coexistence with the Muslim community was going to be difficult, and he wanted to get to the root of the problem.

I think where Tommy has gone wrong in the past is that he hasn't been careful with his terminology i.e he talks about Islam rather than Militant Islam, and it's understandable that Muslims will take exception to this.
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TheFair86 Posted on 19/06/2017 23:52

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> that some of the best people he knows are Muslim

"I'm not racist, some of my best mates are black!"

Sounds oddly familiar that. The classic "I'm not X, but..."
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utb_1876 Posted on 20/06/2017 00:01

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So where are the calls to deport him and his entire family, in no way different to the London Bridge attack is it so why the difference in reaction.

XXXXXX British, coming over here.....
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American_Mary Posted on 20/06/2017 00:17

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Parmoboy, he has certainly changed part of his stance on certain things, but he's done some very strange things, why try and travel on a false passport ? Why not be Steve Yaxley-Lennon ?

To me he reiterates fears and doesn't offer hope without conflict, a good politician, because that's what he has become, doesn't get bogged down with the problems of the past but instead provides hope with workable solutions for the future.
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parmoboy Posted on 20/06/2017 00:19

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"I'm not X, but...there is a problem in this country with regards to Militant Islam"

Would you disagree with that?

Because it's basically what Tommy has been saying from day one, even if he hasn't always been careful with his terminology.
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parmoboy Posted on 20/06/2017 00:27
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"To me he reiterates fears and doesn't offer hope without conflict, a good politician, because that's what he has become, doesn't get bogged down with the problems of the past but instead provides hope with workable solutions for the future"

I think he has tried to do that in the past A_M. He left the EDL because he was having to fight to keep out elements within the organisation, and started working with Quilliam, as he felt the way forward was to work with Muslims and reformists.

Regarding him reiterating fears, that's because he has been predicting for years that attacks will become more and more frequent, and we've seen it happen this year.
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Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 20/06/2017 00:39

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Are you trying to portray a pleasant face of hatred?

Robinson is no different to the Islamic extremists. They peddle hate, as do many on this board.

'Common sense'. Once you're claiming that you've got nowhere to go. You're beaten.
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Boro_Legend Posted on 20/06/2017 00:47

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I thought this is a football forum. Stick to football .
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qatarwatty Posted on 20/06/2017 02:13

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Topics like this always turn into a mud slinging match, mostly fueled by the left who think that anybody with right wing views is a mindless thug.

Rightly or wrongly the right is gaining momentum all over Europe so people must be feeling disproportionate with their own communities.

Tommy is basically a spokesman with political ideas that spouts headlines to catch a certain quota of the population, the same as May & Corbyn, they all tell lies & come out with headline grabbing quotes.

Tommy is rising in popularity because of the huge gulf between the classes.

Corbyn a man of the people, dont make me laugh, a public school boy & a member of the old boys club.

Tory all the way for me, how Corbyn is trying to sneak into No 10 with back sniping & trying for the head of May is disgraceful.
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middlesbrough123 Posted on 20/06/2017 02:26

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If I knew what the XXXXXX I was talking about I'd join in but may be won't notice and my views will just blend in anyway [:D]
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qatarwatty Posted on 20/06/2017 02:32

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& does it matter, to quote a famous actor of our time Jimmy Perry " Were all doomed" haha
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mborolad Posted on 20/06/2017 05:02

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I hope we go 4-4-2 [smi]
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Borohearts Posted on 20/06/2017 05:22
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'Robinson is no different to the Islamic extremists. They peddle hate, as do many on this board.'


You'd love to Think that you plonker.

The biggest 'peddler of hate' on FMTTM is YOU labelling fellow Boro fans as beneath your idealism.
You must be a lonely individual to have an outlook like you do.
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systemd Posted on 20/06/2017 05:38

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"Why does he still feel the need to use an alias ?"

Why do you?

Or is American_Mary your real name? [smi]
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systemd Posted on 20/06/2017 05:49

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"What exactly?"

How about Rotherham?

For years the left has deliberately tried to obfuscate any dialogue addressing the social, cultural and political issues regarding Islam in Britain and its compatibility with the values of the Western world by smearing people as racist/bigots/prejudice/Islamophobic.

Your continual avoidance and name-calling has only succeeded in driving a greater division and allowed far-right ideologues like Robinson to emerge and garner mass attention.
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American_Mary Posted on 20/06/2017 06:14

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No, but I'm more than happy to give it out and if I was a public figure I certainly would go by my given name.

There are far better people on the right that have valid opinions and who would eschew a lot of Robinson's views as being on the extreme side of the political spectrum.

When you read his book you find he is always the victim, it's somebody else's fault, the Muslim gangs, the Police, the rival supporters, Islam, the authorities etc etc. Never goes looking for trouble but it always seems to finds him. He seems keen to distance himself from the actions of individuals within organisations he has represented but more than happy to include the actions of individuals as part of a wider culture when the boot is on the other foot. I'm going for the truth being somewhere in the middle.

There are problems within Islamic society, as there are problems in wider societies around the world, Rotherham, being a case in point, but like Robinson, you are blaming the actions of a few on a wider basis.

People do wrong, left, right, black, white, rich, poor etc etc it is the individual who decides their course of action.
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headset Posted on 20/06/2017 06:18
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remember when you take the leader away the IMAM you have savage soldiers simmering below .

Remember no one controls Islam that's why its a mess , they are all better than each other at their devotion to allah its bringing out the wannabees who want to show all other followers their the biggest worshipers , with their ultimate sacrifice . the future is sex crimes and terror on the uk streets. robinson just tells you before it takes place.love him or hate him and i'm not his greatest fan, he does however speak more truth than some of these politicians of today.
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systemd Posted on 20/06/2017 06:19
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"There are far better people on the right that have valid opinions and who would eschew a lot of Robinson's views as being on the extreme side of the political spectrum."

Of course, Douglas Murray for example, who last week was asked how to deal with Islamism and Islamic violence suggested "less Islam", something which the stats support. Yesterday, a representative of the Muslim Council of Britain labelled him an extremest, suggest he should be banned from TV and implied blasphemy laws were necessary to quash negative attitudes towards Muslims.

This is the Muslim Council of Britain wanting blasphemy laws in the UK. Do you think this is the compatible with British values?


"There are problems within Islamic society"

So we finally have an admission.

Too late though perhaps.
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American_Mary Posted on 20/06/2017 06:23
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Some of us have been saying that there are problems within society including Muslim communities for years, the thing is admitting something and tackling it are two different issues.
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caustic_wit Posted on 20/06/2017 06:28

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And still no rational explanation from any of the clique. This board is quickly descending into a load of rabid no marks desperate for their little bit of daily credence and one upmanship.

Sad, shouty individuals.
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American_Mary Posted on 20/06/2017 06:43
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Rational explanation of what, C_W ?

EDIT: To be fair to 'less Islam' isn't really a practical solution unless you want start banning ideology which I don't think anybody sees as a progressive step, it's like how do you solve the problem of rape and giving 'less men' as the answer.
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Borohearts Posted on 20/06/2017 06:43

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I am no follower of Robinson, however, I commend his actions in highlighting the horrific rapes in Ramsgate and Sunderland.
The Ramsgate case in particular where 4 guys working in a takeaway ensnared a 16 year old after she stopped to ask for directions. She was gang raped !!
They were convicted. But Robinson was arrested for highlighting the Court case which the old bill was trying to keep a lid on.
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systemd Posted on 20/06/2017 06:55

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"To be fair to 'less Islam' isn't really a practical solution"

[rle]

That wasn't the point. The point was that a mainstream Islamic faith group felt this was extremist rhetoric and called for it to be censured thus demonstrating its incompatibility with British values.

Come on, A_M you don't need this spoon-fed to you.
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peterkay Posted on 20/06/2017 07:09

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Islam is not tolerant and it's teaching encourage its followers to dominate and rule how is this every going to be compatible with our western way of life. Radicals want Sharia Law and despise democracy, sorry folks but the way ahead is going to utter utter chaos. I also think the hypocrisy is laughable Jeremy Corbyn attended a vigil last night for the Finsbury mosque attack, were was he for the 2 London and Manchester attacks?? Or does this suit his agenda?
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American_Mary Posted on 20/06/2017 07:21
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To say that we need to reduce the amount of Islam in Britain is a fairly extremist view though ? How do you reduce the numbers of a existent belief system ?

Especially when some of the assertions he made to back up his theory don't hold water when challenged.

I think it's an over reaction by the MCOB to want censorship but that's just my opinion.

EDIT: Peterkay, Finsbury Park Mosque is in his constituency he attended as the local MP not the leader of the opposition.
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systemd Posted on 20/06/2017 07:27

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"Especially when some of the assertions he made to back up his theory don't hold water when challenged."

Which are?
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peterkay Posted on 20/06/2017 07:36

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Extremism is what needs to be tackled on both sides thanks for clearing up why Corbyn attended.
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Adi_Dem Posted on 20/06/2017 08:05

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He's a hate preacher. The personification of a bigot. He's very, very good at it though. He's articulate, very careful in his choice of language and message but occasionally the mask slips and he gives you a glimpse of what he is. A deeply unpleasant man.

The way he dealt with the incident yesterday at Finsbury Park and the way he used it and has used other atrocities is despicable.
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GraftLikeNegredo Posted on 20/06/2017 08:27
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I deliberately make a point of avoiding people like this on social media outlets and such like, they are usually shared by a certain sub-section of my extended social circle shall we say, so I can't comment on the things he has done or said.

It's pretty obvious though, even to me, that this guy and the likes of Katie Hopkins etc are becoming more and more prevalent in today's 'popular culture', surely if people were so abhorred by them, they would be drowned out and disappear as opposed to the opposite?

I find politicising for personal gain off the back of any atrocity to be a rather deplorable act, regardless of context or content.

That being said, I'm seeing a lot of people throwing accusations and some rather slanderous comments, without mentioning any kind of specifics, but rather backing it up with "oh well, he's careful with this words" etc.

Can anybody find something he has said, explicitly, that clearly, and without doubt, proves that he is simply a racist?
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heaton_mersey_boro Posted on 20/06/2017 08:29

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Adi [^]

He MAY have been viewed less as an out and out racist if he hadn't been the EDL leader....which is pretty much as far right as you can get.

Leopards and spots etc
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Borohearts Posted on 20/06/2017 08:32

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You think he is an out and out racist?
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York1 Posted on 20/06/2017 08:38

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Graftlikenegredo...well I've just Google searched him. On TV this morning a YouTube clip was shown where he says, after 7/7, every single Muslim watching this, you got away with maiming and killing British citizens.

I think that certainly classes as preaching hate at the very least?
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heaton_mersey_boro Posted on 20/06/2017 08:45

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Well actually leading the EDL is kind of a little bit damning.....
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GraftLikeNegredo Posted on 20/06/2017 08:48

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Absolutely, I would suggest that was a very stupid, generalised reactionary statement, symptomatic of the time, without a true reflection of the context etc. Also, I'm assuming that given his position and the 'figure' he is, exascerbates it, albeit it is unacceptable in any form.

There seems to be this fine line between socio-economic issues and out right racial discrimination, and I think this guy seems to be teetering right in the edge of that fine line?

I don't think these Tommy Robinsons of the world will ever be the correct mouthpiece for any form of society, but there still needs to be more said and done about the clear social divides and subsequent criminal activities without the threat of political correctness, in ALL walks of society that is.

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peterkay Posted on 20/06/2017 08:51
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Problem lies is no one wants to listen to both sides, every day you see terror attacks carried out by Islam jihadists and when you highlight this you are called a racist???? Work that one out, free speech [xx(] only when it fits the agenda eh?
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slavens_holgate_fence Posted on 20/06/2017 09:00

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I follow tommy robinson on twitter, I don't agree with a lot he says but some I do.
Also he shows how the media manipulate news storys, make him out that he is a racist, which he isn't.
This country is far to PC, the police and media do not report fairly when a member of the muslim community has committed a crime. This is obviously to prevent national backlash and to deter racial hate crimes.
Tommy makes a point of highlighting what is going on.
I thought he was a racist thug before I watched a speech he made at Bristol university a few years back, he came across intellectual, very well spoken and well mannered. My opinion on him changed after this.
He hunts down journalists peacefully and questions why they have written false articles about him, most of the time they do not even have an answer.
Don't form your opinion on him from small clips on social media or newspapers.
This doesn't mean I agree with everything he says or does by the way.
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Pembroke Posted on 20/06/2017 09:01

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Can anybody find something he has said, explicitly, that clearly, and without doubt, proves that he is simply a racist?

There is a clip on youtube on a talk show where he challenges others to do just that and they can't answer the question.
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American_Mary Posted on 20/06/2017 09:41

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Especially when some of the assertions he made to back up his theory don't hold water when challenged."

Which are?

1. 2/3 of Muslim's wouldn't report a fellow Muslim who they suspected of involvement with terrorist organisation, Comres did that same survey and came back with 94% result.

2. That European countries with a higher Muslim percentage have more terrorist attacks, but Macedonia, Albania, Bulgaria, Montenegro, Bosnia have a much higher Muslim population percentage but hardly any incidents.
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Adi_Dem Posted on 20/06/2017 09:50

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"Problem lies is no one wants to listen to both sides, every day you see terror attacks carried out by Islam jihadists and when you highlight this you are called a racist????"

This sort of nonsense is what gets to me. It is utter, utter rubbish. You will not be called a racist or a bigot for saying that a terror attack by Islamic extremists is abhorrent, that it clearly has something to do with Islam being used as a vehicle for hate and that we need to try and do what we can to stamp these people out. That is not bigoted.

However, using extreme interpretations of that religion as a brush with which to tar the entire Muslim population if the very definition of bigotry and it is that for which you will rightly be called a bigot.

As for the nonsense above about Tommy Robinson, just google his many videos. There are countless examples of his mask slipping and his outright bigotry. He has recently been trying to distance himself from his earlier EDL racism (i.e. before he put his mask on of which there are hundreds of videos to watch in which his bigotry is there in all its ugliness) by arguing that he just wants to target extreme Muslims. it slips though. Look at a few of his most recent videos where he deliberately provokes groups of young Muslim men and starts shouting at them that they are "all the same". Look at his reaction to the Finsbury attack yesterday. it's all there. I'm sorry but anyone that agrees with this ugly, ugly man is every bit as ugly. As I said, he's a hate preacher every bit as dangerous as any Muslim hate preacher.

I'd also recommend you watch any of his encounters with Akala who basically shows him up for exactly what he is.
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systemd Posted on 20/06/2017 09:51
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Islamism and Islamic violence, A_M. That's not necessarily terrorism. [rle]

Also, the Balkans have a long history of Islam being part of their culture. We don't.
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Pembroke Posted on 20/06/2017 10:15

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" I'd also recommend you watch any of his encounters with Akala who basically shows him up for exactly what he is."

Think it was the other way round. Akala was shown up because he cannot provide an example of why Tommy Robison was a racist. What it does show is an element of the left distaste for many white working class males who hold different views who are immediately called racists stupid, while the evil terrorists are not condemned, its tolerating the truly intolerant and wicked.
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BOROMAN28 Posted on 20/06/2017 10:18

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I had great time with a bunch of Muslims at my sisters BBQ on Saturday,I'll be cleaning the windows of a few Muslims today,the same Muslims that have employed me for over 10 years.
Kind people with no agenda to convince me that Allah is the man I need in my life.
Because what most people forget is that 99% of all religions in this country just want to get on,make a few quid,live beside friends and neighbours.
British and American foreign policy has created this,don't tell me that mi5 don't know the names of every fella and woman that went to Syria and came back.
Or who preaches hate outside Finsbury park for years.
Same for the BNP,EDL,people's Facebook accounts are monitored,the powers that be want this to happen.
May comes out saying " it's gone too far,,it ends today"
Bush on 9/11 " we'll hunt them all"
Rhetoric,sound bites for the deluded.
Wake up,you are all being played,best way to not be played,stay out of the game
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systemd Posted on 20/06/2017 10:21

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"British and American foreign policy has created this"

For bombing "their" countries, right?

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Adi_Dem Posted on 20/06/2017 10:22

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Sorry but that's just nonsense. It really is. Racist is the wrong word so I'll use bigotry and repeat what I said. You will never be called a bigot for condemning extremist Muslims and their use of Islam as a vehicle. You will rightly be called a bigot if you use extremism to tar the entire Muslim population. Do you not see the difference? Tommy Robinson and his followers adopt the latter view and not just the former. That's bigotry by any standard. I'm sorry if you can't see it.

Moving to the other point you make, I'm afraid it's yet more nonsense. None of us on here and very few people will ever fail to condemn evil terrorists in each and every form. That's just utter, utter rubbish and entirely undermines any argument you think you have. It's bull. We all condemn terrorism. I can't think of many examples of any 'lefty' (another stupid term) that wouldn't condemn it.
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BOROMAN28 Posted on 20/06/2017 10:23
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Of course for bombing their countries
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systemd Posted on 20/06/2017 10:29

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"Of course for bombing their countries"

I see. So when a Jamaican-born boy raised in Britain decides to detonate a bomb on the London Underground it's because we bombed "his" country?

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Jon_Mc Posted on 20/06/2017 10:33

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Tommy Robinson gets off light. He loves that disclaimer that he's only against radical Islam but in reality all Islam is radical as far as he's concerned.

He stands up in front of crowds and denounces the paedo prophet, he screams quotes from the Qur'an and tells anyone who will listen that it compels Muslims to rape 'white wimmen'. And then he'll bus XXXXXXs in nationwide to protest the opening of a mosque...a church...that local residents have no concerns about whatsoever.

And when some XXXXXX decides to use those words as an arbiter of right and wrong and act on them because he's terrified of the rhetoric Tommy spreads....Tommy is allowed to wash his hands of the whole thing and say Nothing to do with me'? As if.

A hate preacher is a hate preacher no matter what the culture of the preacher and Tommy just loves to ramp up the ill feeling and mistrust. VVanker who loves to light the blues touch paper before retiring to a safe distance whilst others do the dirty work.
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Jon_Mc Posted on 20/06/2017 10:33

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Tommy Robinson gets off light. He loves that disclaimer that he's only against radical Islam but in reality all Islam is radical as far as he's concerned.

He stands up in front of crowds and denounces the paedo prophet, he screams quotes from the Qur'an and tells anyone who will listen that it compels Muslims to rape 'white wimmen'. And then he'll bus XXXXXXs in nationwide to protest the opening of a mosque...a church...that local residents have no concerns about whatsoever.

And when some XXXXXX decides to use those words as an arbiter of right and wrong and act on them because he's terrified of the rhetoric Tommy spreads....Tommy is allowed to wash his hands of the whole thing and say Nothing to do with me'? As if.

A hate preacher is a hate preacher no matter what the culture of the preacher and Tommy just loves to ramp up the ill feeling and mistrust. VVanker who loves to light the blues touch paper before retiring to a safe distance whilst others do the dirty work.
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Pembroke Posted on 20/06/2017 10:43
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No Adi, I vote labour but when it comes down to Islamofascism the left become very quiet.

The outrage directed at the likes of Mr Robison is not the same v sick jihadists and perverts and homophobes. There is no of course we are against that it goes without saying more energy should be directed at those who are truly intolerant and evil to their core.

The likes of lefty shouty types like Akala would rather call out Tommy Robinson and slag off Professor Greens videos for racism than critisise those who want to murder people.
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Adi_Dem Posted on 20/06/2017 11:06

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I'm not concerned about what you vote. It's largely irrelevant. The argument that people would rather be outraged at TR than at terrorist atrocities is plainly and demonstrably wrong.

"The outrage directed at the likes of Mr Robison is not the same v sick jihadists and perverts and homophobes."

I call bullXXXXXX on this one. Unadulterated rubbish I'm afraid.
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Pembroke Posted on 20/06/2017 11:28
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"I'm not concerned about what you vote. It's largely irrelevant. The argument that people would rather be outraged at TR than at terrorist atrocities is plainly and demonstrably wrong."

Simply untrue. The biggest shouters like the SWP, UAF, antifa have nothing to say about organised abuse of white girls. They have a lot to say about those who very openly condemn it. Instead they want to stop freedom of speech that highlights that type of oppression and abuse.

And who I vote for is relevant. I am disgusted by those on the left as I am who do not condemn child abuse because the victims were white. When it comes to perverts we all should share that enemy.
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fungus Posted on 20/06/2017 11:59

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Adi_Dem Posted on 20/06/2017 12:07

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Dear oh dear. What a warped, inaccurate view of the world.
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red_rebel Posted on 20/06/2017 12:17

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If he is only against militant ISlam, why does he turn up posturing and shouting the odds outside ordinary mosques?

Anyway, I have always suspected he is an asset of the security services, useful as a magnet for all the radicalised white supremicists so they can keep a close eye on them all. Mind, I thought exactly the same about Choudary. Why else was he allowed so much freedom?
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Adi_Dem Posted on 20/06/2017 12:21

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Could actually be some truth in that RR.
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lionhunter Posted on 20/06/2017 12:37

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I clicked on this thread with an open mind .
I started then I got as far as white and skinhead and gave up .Talk about sterio typing people .
Most " Skinheads " aren't in theory skinheads .Their ideology isn't the same as years gone by .They don't listen to the likes of screwdriver .They just nowadays chose to get it cut / shaved this way when receding .
It also has nothing to do with beliefs as there are plenty if " Skinheads" out there supporting Muslims .
Skinheads can be any colour .
Then the term White came out as though they are they only colour who support Tommy Robinson .
I think that's a bit racist and steriotypical too.
So I gave up.
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Big_Nothing Posted on 20/06/2017 12:38

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Pretty sure we've been here before with Tommy boy and the same posters are having the same debates over and over. I know me and parmoboy have definitely conversed about him on here before.

Caustic_wit -

"So they use the racist label as it's easy to pull off."

"Anything to back that up more than just a load of shouty left wing rhetoric?."

So you want evidence to support the assertion that Tommy Robinson is a racist? Well assuming what we're actually saying is he's islamophobic and prejudiced rather than 'racist' as I know you'd love to point out the distinction when you're shown up, I have some evidence.

"Every single Muslim watching this... on 7/7 you got away with killing and maiming British citizens... you had better understand that we have built a network from one end of the country to the other end... and the Islamic community will feel the full force of the English Defense League if we see any of our British citizens killed, maimed, or hurt on British soil ever again."

"Islam is not a religion of peace. Islam is fascist and it's violent and we've had enough! They're chopping our soldiers' heads off. This is Islam. That's what we've seen today. They've cut off one of our army's heads off on the streets of London. Our next generation are being taught through schools that Islam is a religion of peace. It's not. It never has been. What you saw today is Islam. Everyone's had enough. There has to be a reaction, for the government to listen, for the police to listen, to understand how angry this British public are."

Can you see how those quotes target all Muslims and not just extremists? It's pretty blatant so I'll assume you can.

You also criticised someone for making a comparison to Hitler earlier on this thread...

"Well I never, a lefty making sweeping generalisations because they can't reinforce their own argument, how weak."

I have an interesting quote from Tommy for you:

"Nazism and Islamism are on the opposite sides of the same coin – we oppose both. Nazism has been defeated and Islamism is spreading across the country."

Is that him comparing Islam generally to Nazism? Certainly looks like it to me.

Well I never, a righty making sweeping generalisations because they can't reinforce their own argument, how weak. [:D]

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American_Mary Posted on 20/06/2017 12:45

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'Islamism and Islamic violence, A_M. That's not necessarily terrorism. [rle]

Also, the Balkans have a long history of Islam being part of their culture. We don't.'

I agree with you SystemD that both those things have validity, however those were the verifications that Douglas Murray used in the piece that you brought up and it's good that we agree that there are flaws in his assertions.


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Big_Nothing Posted on 20/06/2017 12:53

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The kind of people who scream Muslim paedo gang but wouldn't shout Christian paedo gang. The same people who when a Muslim makes a bomb in his room brand him a terrorist but won't acknowledge that a white right nutter who does the same is also a terrorist. The kind of people who can't see the link between Tommy Robinson calling for us to take matters into our own hands, calling for the set up of militias and a bloke taking it upon himself to plow into innocent people in a van. Can you not see how that is the same as what a hate preacher does?

I don't like Islam, I don't like any religion but I'm not silly enough to start tarring millions of people with the same brush as extremists who claim to share a common trait with them.

We go to the football all as boro fans, some boro fans decide they want to fight opposition fans because they hate whatever club they support, you hear the dialogue about hating West Ham fans or wanting to 'do Chelsea over' or whatever. They're a minority. Does that mean boro is the problem? The fact we're all boro fans, MFC is the problem because a couple of chewy blokes want a scrap and do it in the name of a football club they follow? Is it our responsibility as fellow boro fans to stop them scrapping? We would almost all denounce violence at the footy but we'd denounce it full stop because we know all clubs have their nutters. Now it isn't a perfect analogy but that is how childish and shortsighted a lot of you are being, most Muslims have 0 interest in this extremist ISIS violent rhetoric just as most boro fans have no interest in 'the front line'. Just as most religious people don't believe in violent extremism and most footy fans don't want a scrap on matchday.
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Adi_Dem Posted on 20/06/2017 13:00

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Hear hear Big Nothing, hear hear.
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systemd Posted on 20/06/2017 13:08

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"and it's good that we agree that there are flaws in his assertions."

We don't.
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slavens_holgate_fence Posted on 20/06/2017 13:12

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Its typical of the left wingers to categorise tommy as a racist, articles falsely written about him put him as a racist biggot, millions read these articles and then it becomes fact.
Someone on this thread put EDL and UKIP in the same catagory, how bizarre.
When a ukip supporter gets interviewed, the media will find the biggest roughest skin head knuckle dragger and put him infront of a camera. Its biased reporting, and that is the case for tommy.
If you actually listen to some of his interviews, it is very interesting, especially about the biased media.

I am not a supporter of his, neither am i a supporter of left wing groups.
I follow lots of accounts on twitter both left and right, its very interesting about how they manipulate the masses.

The sun newspaper itself stated 1 in 5 muslims would fail to report a jihadi last year.

This is fear mongering on a scale a lot bigger than tommys.
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Big_Nothing Posted on 20/06/2017 13:16

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SHF - Do the quotes I've shared about 3 or 4 posts above not target Islam as an entire religion and show blatant prejudice? If you don't think they do when they're right there in black and white then I am honestly baffled.

"The sun newspaper itself stated 1 in 5 muslims would fail to report a jihadi last year."

Was it not taken to task for the startling and intentional twisting and inaccuracy of the story as well? In fact yes it was, it was forced to submit an apology for it being misleading.
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Corcaigh_the_Cat Posted on 20/06/2017 13:17

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'I am disgusted by those on the left as I am who do not condemn child abuse because the victims were white'

Me too, but that also goes for those abused by elite members of our society who are systematically protected from investigation and prosecution by the right, whose apologists on this issue have appeared on this board.
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Big_Nothing Posted on 20/06/2017 13:19

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"'I am disgusted by those on the left as I am who do not condemn child abuse because the victims were white"

Has anybody done this? I am disgusted by anybody regardless of political leaning who doesn't condemn all child abuse full stop. I don't think political leaning even comes into that really.
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slavens_holgate_fence Posted on 20/06/2017 13:20

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I did not read your post, when i see a long page of waffle i move on to the next message, sorry.

as for the sun apology, that makes it ok then?
The damage has already been done and they know exactley what they are doing.
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Big_Nothing Posted on 20/06/2017 13:32

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No worries, just think saying basically defending him from allegations of racism when there's quotes from him being pretty racist is a bit daft.

Using sensationalist newspaper headlines to suggest there is an issue when the headline you mention has been shown to be a lie is also pretty daft.
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Big_Nothing Posted on 20/06/2017 13:34

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Using the sun as evidence and dismissing posts as waffle because you can't be bothered to read their content, probably linked those two things. [8)]
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slavens_holgate_fence Posted on 20/06/2017 13:37

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using the sun as evidence is important, i do not read that rag but many millions do and that is the danger.

As for you your page of waffle, sorry my attention span is short when i am browsing during work hours.
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Big_Nothing Posted on 20/06/2017 13:59

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Fair comment, so is mine usually [^]
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peterkay Posted on 20/06/2017 14:03

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Piers morgan acted like a bully on TV this morning why did he keep talking over after asking questions with Robinson? I thought the whole point of free speech was about giving people the right to reply?
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